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Offline tman

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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #195 on: April 13, 2014 - 05:46:47 pm »
They don't.  Should be zero water to intake manifold. 




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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #196 on: April 13, 2014 - 06:31:59 pm »
Looking at the black goo in the pictures I think it is a combination of gasoline and gasket/sealer that was formed when you had liquid gas in your intake manifold.  You have not run it long enough since to burn all that stuff away.  There is probably more of it inside the intake than you see on the outside.  This would give you white smoke.  Once you run it long enough and get it hot enough it will burn away and no more smoke. I would re-torque the intake bolts. Just a long range guess. 
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #197 on: April 14, 2014 - 01:35:03 am »
Tommy, check the center of the 3 holes next to the vacuum pod mounting screws. It looks like it has a gold ball maybe pressed in sealing it but allowing the vacuum advance port to still breathe. I don't think it is your problem but I left my pod on cause I did not want to permanently alter the carb by driving in the lead ball supplied with the manual choke kit I tried to use.

Nevermind, don't pay any attention to me. I had too many things going on and confused parts of the inner and outer carbs in my minds eye.  :dunno:
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #198 on: April 14, 2014 - 05:27:43 am »
I wonder if the brake booster is full of fuel also

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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #199 on: April 14, 2014 - 08:28:05 am »
I wonder if the brake booster is full of fuel also

Dont think so.
I tried siphoning anything out and there didnt seem to be anything in the booster. I left it uncapped for a month and whatever amount may have got in there, if any, probably evaporated.
Next time I take it apart I will definitely remove and reset the manifold.
Torque specs and pattern for an iron manifold?
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #200 on: April 15, 2014 - 01:40:18 pm »

Definitely pull the manifold and see whats going on. I'm thinking with all your fuel issues you may have incurred some issues with either gasket seal or destroyed the gasket so now you might be getting oil from the valley pan area. White smoke is usually burning oil but not always.

Torque specs for cast iron is a bit more than aluminum (wowza I forgot how much higher)
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The pattern which I follow is from the middle to the outside, going from side to side.

Once you pull the manifold I think you should have some of your answers, along with using a 61 or 62 jet will put you closer to finished.
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #201 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:01:22 pm »
Ok, had an hour of time to spend in the garage tonight, so I pulled the manifold (with the center carb on it).
It was heavy. Had to strain to pull it up and off. Getting old. :(
I didnt realize the valley pan also served as a defacto gasket. The only sealing material seamed to be a relatively thin line of gray colored silicone type material.
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #202 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:08:26 pm »
Bingo white smoke!!!
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #203 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:31:36 pm »
Bingo white smoke!!!

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Dont think any oil has been burning though I could be wrong.
You think oil splash from the valley area (oil fumes) is getting sucked up and into the intake?
If the manifold was leaking wouldnt that create a lean condition?

Going to clean everything up and put it back on next week some time.
What type sealant should I use, and how much? I assume it wont hurt to apply it liberally.
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #204 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:42:18 pm »
One thing. Silicone is not impervious to gasoline and will eventually begin to leak. Suck air in and /or oil

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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #205 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:49:51 pm »
where would oil (or coolant) be coming from?
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #206 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:51:11 pm »
I'd block off the exhaust going to the intake( if it goes in the intake?). You won't need that feature in Florida! :grinno: The intake gasket set I had for my old 440 had thin paper gaskets that went on either side of the steel gasket.
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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #207 on: April 17, 2014 - 09:55:49 pm »
Out of the valley if the tray is not sealed properly

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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #208 on: April 17, 2014 - 10:16:17 pm »
It should be obvious that it leaked when you removed the tray if oil was going into the port

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Re: Six Pack issues and rebuilding
« Reply #209 on: April 17, 2014 - 10:19:10 pm »
Did a quick search and CP back in 2006 suggested felpro 1215 gasket set.
Is this it:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FEL-1215/

This set comes with a new pan, blocking off the exhaust heat ports

And, are new bolts a necessity. ARP seems to be the suggested brand.

Funny coincidence about that 2006 thread
(http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=27914.msg277501#msg277501)
.... member named Moper contributed it and he was the guy to last tune and set up my six pack!  :cheers: :cooldancing:
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