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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2013 - 09:22:12 am »
From what I read Lynn owed Paul $16k or more and Paul then took possesion and "coerced" Lynn to sign a bill of sale and sold the car without permission from Lynn to Mancini for $40k.

That's what I got out of it. Seems like the "storage" costs became astronomical once he realized what he was storing, whole story sounds very peculiar.   :popcorn:

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2013 - 05:40:26 pm »
1BADFISH said:


That's what I got out of it. Seems like the "storage" costs became astronomical once he realized what he was storing, whole story sounds very peculiar.

Art says:
The part that really got me that summer was this:  Lynn sold his 1960 Pontiac Bonneville http://www.arts-attic.com/automobiles/60pontiac/60pontiac.htm for $5K and handed the money to Paul D. and Paul conveniently forgets about that money.  The debt at that point was now $11K with good faith shown.  In cash.

Yeah the invoice for the "help" came out after Paul forced Lynn to sign a Bill of Sale.  That was a surprise.

This is a "This can happen to you too" story.  I don't expect anything to come from my telling this tale but if possible I would like to talk to the other two people Lynn was talking to about his car.

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2013 - 05:59:50 pm »
There's a lot I do not fully understand having only heard one side, however the part that perplexes me is the "forced" signature on a bill of sale.  This is highly illegal and easy to prosecute.  Simply provide the evidence to the proper authority and this will be easily rectified.  What was the "force" used to make him sign the Title and a Bill of Sale?


1BADFISH said:

Yeah the invoice for the "help" came out after Paul forced Lynn to sign a Bill of Sale.  That was a surprise.

The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realize it doesn't say anything it's to late to stop reading it.

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2013 - 07:00:44 pm »
When this thread was started I was like the third guy to put up a post thinking that these guys were somehow scammed out of their car. I based that assumption on the info that was provided in the initial post. The initial post creates the impression that a scam actually happened. However, after following the thread and the associated hyperlinks my initial impressions have changed. The car wasn't "stolen" as they try and make it seem. They may have been "manipulated" into selling and can whine and cry foul all they want, but the car wasn't "stolen", it was sold. They were in a financial bind, the buyer applied pressure, and they caved and sold the car. All the other rambling is just smoke and mirrors trying to create a different impression and generate sympathy. I mean if they were so concerned about the car why didn't they just move it at the first hint  of trouble? Instead of taking a picture of the car with a newspaper, you're the owner, get in, start it up and drive it somewhere else (and if it wouldn't start tow it!)! It's a done deal and they just need to quit whinning and "man up" (if they can do that I don't know...). If the whinning persists, maybe admin should just do like Robert (Ramenth) over at FEBO did and lock the thread down. From now on I'll make sure I know more about the subject before I jump in and comment on something before I know more of the story.
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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2013 - 08:38:24 pm »
There's a lot I do not fully understand having only heard one side, however the part that perplexes me is the "forced" signature on a bill of sale.  This is highly illegal and easy to prosecute.  Simply provide the evidence to the proper authority and this will be easily rectified.  What was the "force" used to make him sign the Title and a Bill of Sale?

I`m guessing the problem is there is no hard evidence.

When this thread was started I was like the third guy to put up a post thinking that these guys were somehow scammed out of their car. I based that assumption on the info that was provided in the initial post. The initial post creates the impression that a scam actually happened. However, after following the thread and the associated hyperlinks my initial impressions have changed. The car wasn't "stolen" as they try and make it seem. They may have been "manipulated" into selling and can whine and cry foul all they want, but the car wasn't "stolen", it was sold. They were in a financial bind, the buyer applied pressure, and they caved and sold the car. All the other rambling is just smoke and mirrors trying to create a different impression and generate sympathy. I mean if they were so concerned about the car why didn't they just move it at the first hint  of trouble? Instead of taking a picture of the car with a newspaper, you're the owner, get in, start it up and drive it somewhere else (and if it wouldn't start tow it!)! It's a done deal and they just need to quit whinning and "man up" (if they can do that I don't know...). If the whinning persists, maybe admin should just do like Robert (Ramenth) over at FEBO did and lock the thread down. From now on I'll make sure I know more about the subject before I jump in and comment on something before I know more of the story.


If he signed a bill of sale that is all you need in NH to legally the car as you don`t need a title on a vehicle over 15 yrs old.
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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2013 - 11:12:09 am »
Awesome car....

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2013 - 02:01:28 pm »
ECS said:

If you recall this was the vehicle that Mike Mancini contacted me to have a Broadcast sheet made for.  He told me they only wanted to use for display purposes with the car because the original owner couldn't find the "real" one at that particular time.  Well low & behold, the original one was miraculously found AFTER Mike had received the one I made.   What's odd about that scenario was the copy that I made ended up being displayed on eBay as the "original" one that came with the car.  The Engine block also had suspicious font stampings for the time period in which it was built.  Here is a link to that thread for those who missed it.

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=86271.msg861351#msg861351

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I'm talking about Lynn Shackelfords's car 6PK2GO V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 an all original first day of production special handling car built for display at Dodge dealers across the country along with six others just like it.  In a remarkable coincidence to the car you describe in your build-sheet thread,  6PK2GO does not have a numbers matching engine.  The original engine suffered a terminal rod through the side of the block failure and was replaced with an engine from a 1970 Dodge Monaco Lynn re-built at Hemi's and used Bryant Racing Engines for the machine work.   Both companies in Orange, California.  The engine was built up with 6-pack rods, purple camshaft and Rhodes lifters.  Hardened valve seats were installed in the heads with a triple angle cut along with mild porting and polishing.  I can tell you from experience that the engine revved smoothly to 8K with no sign of wanting to slow down.

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2013 - 02:33:42 pm »
How come the more I read the more confused I get.   :clueless: 

So this Mike Mancini owned another Promo car in addition to Lynn's car he currently has and is not yet restored? Mike has been involved with 2 of these promo V code convertibles?Both with questionable history?

Who is 6PK2GO and why did Lynn rebuild his engine?


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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2013 - 02:36:00 pm »
 :iagree:  :clueless:
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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2013 - 02:39:20 pm »
How come the more I read the more confused I get.   :clueless: 

So this Mike Mancini owned another Promo car in addition to Lynn's car he currently has and is not yet restored? Mike has been involved with 2 of these promo V code convertibles?Both with questionable history?

Who is 6PK2GO and why did Lynn rebuild his engine?

I get the impression that people are going out of their way to not say certain things, probably for legal reasons, but it is indeed making it damned hard to try to piece this story together.


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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2013 - 03:22:42 pm »
 :iagree:  What is the bottom line on this?  Only those that know can give us the answer.............Everyone else is just guessing.

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2013 - 03:58:55 pm »
:iagree:  What is the bottom line on this?  Only those that know can give us the answer.............Everyone else is just guessing.

I think the bottom line is what was stated in the opening of this thread...

"I am looking for the people that Lynn was negotiating price with during the summer of 2011"

I answered this thread because I was one of the people that was persuing the car. I dropped out because I felt someone was going to get burned after finding out the details of how the sale was being handled.

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2013 - 04:01:30 pm »
I get the impression that people are going out of their way to not say certain things, probably for legal reasons, but it is indeed making it damned hard to try to piece this story together.

I think your probably correct on this assumption. My only involvment in this was one phone call that occured at the time of the sale. I found it irregullar and jotted down some notes after the phone call. I'm glad I did because its hard to remember something that happened almost 2 years ago.

I don't know who is right or wrong here. But I keep good notes on cars that I like to collect. Just like a lot of you guys.

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2013 - 04:43:58 pm »
Thanks Finoke.  This thread became very nebulous. 

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Re: V.I.N. JS27VCB100421 The Rest of the Story
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2013 - 04:53:35 pm »
Puzzling and interesting...   Hmmmm..... :clueless:
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