Hmmm, sounds like a case of "he said, she said". I am staying out of that one, thx for the link though. I am looking for firsthand experience on these guys. I need an engine built. I need someone that will install the parts I say are going into it, not someone that is going to give me the "hard sell" on his own stuff. My first impression(s) of Hughes was one of arrogance. The little diddy they put on their website, the one about supporting a competitor's products, was probably well-intentioned, but ill-presented. Same for his article about the EM contest. He seems like an "in-your-face" and arrogant kind of guy to deal with. Know of any Mopar engine builders in the St. Louis area (or elsewhere)? Someone who can do machine work and assemble (using the parts the customer requests)?