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72 340 cuda
« on: April 15, 2009 - 09:49:54 PM »
72 340 cuda. ok so i went to look at this car today. Its a 72 cuda 340 automatic, bucket seats, console, rally guages, bulge hood.

Start with the bad. The roof is caved in, needs a passengers quarter, trunk, trunk lid, trunk gutters, and one inner fender, missing grille

Good. drivers side quarter is good, both fenders are good, one is rolled under a litte in the front (easy fix) one door has a rust hole the size of a dime, other is perfect, frame rails are AWSOME, firewall and other floors are good, all trim is good, all glass execpt windshild, car is 99% complete, has a 71 fog light set up on it.  All i can think of right at the moment, feel free to ask questions also says whats left of the engine is the original 340

Here is what makes me a little nervous, car has a 70 dash and vin on dash and it titled as a 70.  The fender tag says 72 and the cowl numbers match the fender tag. this car is a 72 that has had a dash swap, but the owner thinks its a 70. also it has the 72-74 sidemarker lights, but has 70-71 style rally guages. The car is a 72 and i know it. But why would they title it as a 70, is there any way i can check to make sure this car isnt stolen, also if i went to get it titled as a 72 could i even do that since the dash says 70.   Guy wants 3500  i am currently trying to scrape up 3500 bucks i know the car is worth that, but i am in need of money for college and if i cant keep the car which is waht i want to do i need to know how much i should sell it for??? any help is grat 

Here is the fender tag decode

BS23:
Plymouth Barracuda
Special, 'Cuda
2 Door Hardtop

H2B: 340 240HP(net) 1-4BBL 8 CYL
1972
Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA

365649:   Sequence number

E55:    340 cid 4 barrel V8 275hp
D34:    Light Duty Automatic Transmission
GB5:    Bright Blue Poly Exterior Color
A6B5:    Trim - Basic, Vinyl Bucket Seats, Blue
000:    Full Door Panels
327:    Build Date: March 27
554477:   Order number

GB5:    Bright Blue Poly Top Color
U:    USA Specifications
B51:    Power Brakes
C16:    Console w/Woodgrain Panel
C56:    Bucket Seats
G35:    Delete Standard Outside Mirror

J52:    Inside Hood Release
J54:    Sport Hood
L25:    Trunk Lamp
L31:    Hood/Fender Mounted Turn Signals
M21:    Roof drip rail moldings

M25:    Wide sill moldings
M31:    Belt Moldings
M88:    Decklid Moldings Treatment
N23:    Electronic Ignition System
N41:    Dual Exhaust
J25:    3 Speed Wipers

N42:    Chrome Exhaust Tips
N85:    Tachometer
R11:    Radio Solid State AM (2 Watts)
V5X:    Body Side Stripes, Black
26:    26in Radiator
END:    End of Sales Codes
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72 340 cuda
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009 - 10:21:11 PM »
Don't walk away from this deal,,,  RUN!!!!!!!

Such a bad idea.  In this economy?  Doesn't matter if it's stolen or not don't do it.

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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009 - 10:29:05 PM »
Don't walk away from this deal,,,  RUN!!!!!!!

Such a bad idea.  In this economy?  Doesn't matter if it's stolen or not don't do it.


Then what would you say the car is worth???    That was just the guys starting price
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009 - 11:04:42 PM »
How could someone with so many Mopars in a field not know it's a '72?   

Either someone needs to find the orig VIN tag still on the dashpad or part it out.  Maybe it's worth $3500 in parts but as a project car it's just a big headache.

If you were to buy it and fix all that rust on a car that has no chance of being legally registered you could lose it all. Even if you bought it to part it out and got pulled over taking it home the cops could take it right there.

Switching VINs is illegal. His problem now, your problem later,,,, if you buy it.
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009 - 11:11:48 PM »
How could someone with so many Mopars in a field not know it's a '72?   

Either someone needs to find the orig VIN tag or part it out.  Maybe it's worth $3500 in parts but as a project car it's just a big headache.

If you were to buy it and fix all that rust on a car that has no chance of being legally registered you could lose it all. Even if you bought it to part it out and got pulled over taking it home the cops could take it right there.

Switching VINs is illegal. His problem now, your problem later if you buy it.

That was my main concern, is there anyway that you could get a title, since the number on the fender tag match the body, It has a title that matches the dash?? Now that i think about it that really sounds like a pain. He told me that it was hit in the rear and hadd a 72 tail panel on it, he is mostly an a-body guy, seems like a nice guy, i think he really believes that it is a 70. the tail panel thing is probably what the people that sold the car to him told him.   I will talk to someone that would know about the title thing, i guess i would just go to the DMV??
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:12:04 AM »
Either way the car is not worth it!!! You'll have twice the amount of a nicely restored one by the time your finished. Already there are too many fishy things going on as well! :2thumbs:
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:23:43 AM »
What state was it titled in.  Could have been a type error or something.  Does sound as if the dash was switched or the pad anyway.  The car may be too old for the records to be in DMV anymore and could be according to the state it is in.  I would do a search on both vin numbers and see if they were stolen or if one was crushed or something.  Could have been an honest mistake on someones part not looking or knowing about the differences just putting it as a 70 and not a 72.  Just my thoughts
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:28:07 AM »
What state was it titled in.  Could have been a type error or something.  Does sound as if the dash was switched or the pad anyway.  The car may be too old for the records to be in DMV anymore and could be according to the state it is in.  I would do a search on both vin numbers and see if they were stolen or if one was crushed or something.  Could have been an honest mistake on someones part not looking or knowing about the differences just putting it as a 70 and not a 72.  Just my thoughts


I dotn know what state it was titled in i just know that he said he had a title for it.  where could i do a vin search

Im glad i posted on here before I bought it,  what do you all think the car would be worth, the guy is an a-body nut and i have a few old junk dart sports that i might could do a little trading with also.  Just curious to know what yuo all think its worth.
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:38:09 AM »
If you want to make money by parting it out I would offer him $1500 and explain to him that the car is definatly not a 70. With that I would point out the vin tag and cowl stamping to show him proof. Other than that the car is just not worth it. Keep in mind you can find nice 72-74 drivers for around 15k. Even if you did all your own resto work parts alone would easily be 25k plus!!!
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:39:43 AM »
I dont know what it would be worth.  I think it might be worth less than his asking price.  Have not bought one for about 10 years now.  I would get the vin numbers then go to a police station or a state police station and see if they will do a search on it tell them that you want to buy it and want to be legal in doing so and see what went on with the car and possibly why the vin was changed on the title or if the title was for another car that was distroyed or something.  Just trying to help some.
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:43:49 AM »
You would easily make money off parts. I for one would buy the engine as I would love to have a date correct engine for my car. If the trim around the trunk is in good shape that alone is worth alot of $!!! Ralley dash etc... more $$$.

BTW: those are not 71 driving lights. They are 72 correct turn signal lamps.
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009 - 11:57:31 AM »
You would easily make money off parts. I for one would buy the engine as I would love to have a date correct engine for my car. If the trim around the trunk is in good shape that alone is worth alot of $!!! Ralley dash etc... more $$$.

BTW: those are not 70 driving lights. They are 72 correct turn signal lamps.


Who knows if he knows what he is talking about on the engine or not, it may be a 340 and it might not be, werent all 340's in the cudas and challengers painted orange?? this motor is painted blue, I couldnt see the numbers on the block to see if it was actually a 340 or not. also the engine looks like it has been sitting along time with the manifold and vale covers off of it.  Also i tried to tell teh guy that it was a 72 and he told me that they had put 72 fenders on it to match the 72 rear clip that was on teh car, he was pretty sure of himself and i really didnt feel like arguing with him so i just dropped it.

I would take it forsure for 1500 bucks, i figgure i get my money back pretty fast if i parted it. Since its a 72 and not the more desired 70's and 71's, does the fact that it is a real 340 cuda not add much value at all??
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009 - 12:11:58 PM »
No doubt its a 72!!! And yes the engines in 72-74 cudas are all blue. 70-71 were orange. You need to point out the vin tag and the other indicators that it is a 72. I'll call him if you like.
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009 - 12:16:15 PM »
the guy has it in his head that the car is a 70, its going to be hard to convince him that it is a 72 because it is even titled as a 70, when i go back up there i will show him that the fender tag says the car is a 72 and that the fender tag serial number matches the cowl number and that the dash doesnt match the cowl.  then after he realizes it is a 72 he may be willing to come down on his price some since the 72's are not nearly as valuable as the 70's
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Re: 72 340 cuda
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009 - 12:28:18 PM »
Keep in mind that NOBODY would take a 71 and change it into a less valueable 72-74!!! Not tring to offened anyone as I own a 72. Now taking a 72 and turning it into a 71 has been done before. :2thumbs:
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Re: 72 340 cuda
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