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Offline The1TrueOutlaw

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Garage/Workshop
« on: April 17, 2018 - 01:56:14 pm »
My Cuda project has been put on hold for the moment since I moved to a new house a few months ago. The new house has an attached 2 car garage but I'm planning on building a 30'x36' 2 floor detached garage for a workshop. I am planning to have a 2 post lift in one bay, 200 amp service and a few 220v 50 amp outlets for compressors/welders. There will be an opening in the floor with a hoist for storage upstairs. I was wondering if any of you experienced guys have any other tools or general equipment I may want to consider accommodating for the future.




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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2018 - 02:25:56 pm »
Depends on your skill level or what you want to be able to do, that said you have most things covered with your plans. My only advice is t plan it out well especially with the electrical so that you have enough outlets and they are positioned where you need them. As far as equipment goes, I am pretty sure you already have a good idea what you need, but since you asked I will throw out some equipment for consideration

- brake lathe
- vertical mil/drill
- lathe
- bead blast cabinet
- belt sanders
- large hydraulic press
- metal shear
- metal brake
- pipe bender
- bead roller
- shrinker/expander
- English wheel
- Plinishing hammer
- bench grinders

Your imagination/desires are the limit
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2018 - 02:52:15 pm »
Your input is much appreciated. I'm definitely a beginner in the realm for restorations but I have a good mind for mechanics and have a pretty solid understanding or the process. I'm really looking for those things where people setup there garage and later on realized they wish they did some a little different or some really interesting space saving ideas. really just thing where someone was really happy with a setup they did in their garage. I have no problem adding or expanding circuits later on for power but its certainly nice to do them while you're doing it the first time around. The mill and lathe are definitely something I'll have to add electrical layout. I'm hoping to keep at least 10 breaker slots open for future expansion.

You are very much right, if I really wanted to accommodate everything I could imagine up I'd need a lot bigger building.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2018 - 03:00:51 pm »
No worries and to your input, the one thing I did in my shop when I rebuilt it (had to replace 2/3 of the roof due to a small tornado) that I wish I had done initially is set specific areas in the shop for specific events/actions. As an example, when I bought this place the shop was already present, I added a bay on the right side and pushed the left side out 6 feet, however over time I had equipment and "stuff" spread across the shop. When I rebuilt it, I dedicated one bay for just metal work. That bay also has a loft, when to be honest I am not a huge fan of. They seem like a good idea but it quickly becomes dumping site and is a PITA to get stuff from. Likewise, I have all my painting stuff in one spot, all my electrical stuff in one spot etc. For me this is super helpful.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2018 - 03:45:20 pm »
Sorry to hear your garage took a hit, hop it wasn't too hard to get i back together. That sounds like pretty good advice. I currently have my tool box organized like that. I'll have to think about doing that with the bigger stuff too. I'm currently planning to have a woodshop and storage in the attic area which will be about 18x36. Then the lower floor will be the car stuff.

I'm still pondering how to do the painting area. I wasn't planning on having any windows on the lower floor, I would only have 2 garage doors and a standard door all on the front. But I've been thinking I may need the ability to get a little air moving while painting so I've been reconsidering the windows on the back side.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2018 - 04:03:07 pm »
I dont have any windows in my shop (like the kind that can be opened), I do have translucent Plexiglas to bring in light. When I paint, I open the back door and one of the roll up doors and use a standing 30" fan to move the air.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2018 - 11:49:46 pm »
My garage isn't as big as yours, (24X30) and we stick framed the roof and installed 3 dormers. This gave us a walk around capable upstairs with wall to wall space for storage and you won't regret having lots of storage, trust me. We also installed our 220 compressor upstairs and the reduction in noise was dramatic. I'd run 220 outlets to all 4 sides unless you have a big ass extension cable and like using it. We also put windows in that we bought from a local manufacturer who had a whack of windows that had been made to wrong size initially, but since we were building from scratch, who cared and we put the 1/3 priced windows in their appropriately sized framed holes. Put at least 8' doors in and we built it R2000 style with 2X6 walls for good insulation. Don't cheap out on lighting, either. We have 8- 4' 4 bulb fixtures in the cieling and 2 more over the bench. Plumb it for water using PEX or Wirsbro and don't worry about it freezing let alone ease of solderless installation. A drain in the floor is one thing we thought of too late and anchors for a lift or pulling/tying down might be good as well. See, isn't it easy to spend your money? LOL Good luck!  :cheers:

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2018 - 12:33:02 am »
I like your idea of the anchors for pulling or tying down.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2018 - 09:58:43 am »
My garage isn't as big as yours, (24X30) and we stick framed the roof and installed 3 dormers. This gave us a walk around capable upstairs with wall to wall space for storage and you won't regret having lots of storage, trust me. We also installed our 220 compressor upstairs and the reduction in noise was dramatic. I'd run 220 outlets to all 4 sides unless you have a big ass extension cable and like using it. We also put windows in that we bought from a local manufacturer who had a whack of windows that had been made to wrong size initially, but since we were building from scratch, who cared and we put the 1/3 priced windows in their appropriately sized framed holes. Put at least 8' doors in and we built it R2000 style with 2X6 walls for good insulation. Don't cheap out on lighting, either. We have 8- 4' 4 bulb fixtures in the cieling and 2 more over the bench. Plumb it for water using PEX or Wirsbro and don't worry about it freezing let alone ease of solderless installation. A drain in the floor is one thing we thought of too late and anchors for a lift or pulling/tying down might be good as well. See, isn't it easy to spend your money? LOL Good luck!  :cheers:


Those are some great tips Jimynick, thank you! I'm doing 2x6 stick on the bottom and having trusses made for the attic which include the engineered beam, so it will be clear span in the lower level which will be a little over 13' tall. But since I'm using a gambrel roof to match the house I lose some space on the side but I'm hoping to use those areas for storage like you were talking about. And I will end up with 18' room all the way down the 36' with an 8' ceiling. And I'm planning the 2 garage doors to be 10'x10'.

Putting the compressor upstairs is an excellent idea, I hadn't though of that but it will definitely be happening now. I will definitely be putting 220 outlets that I can reach from every bay, though I'm not looking forward to paying for that much 4/6 gauge wire.

As far as lighting I'm debating about using 150watt equivalent bulbs in standard 4" round fixtures offset every 5 ft or go shop lights. I like the 4in rounds because you can put one in including the box, light and fixture for less than $7. and I can expand them pretty easily. It basically comes down to cost, because for some reason I don't value my time haha. My goal is between 80 and 100 lumins per SF. I'd probably set them up for 2 switches, each one controlling every other row.

I was planning on using pex but I hadn't realized it was freeze resistant, good to know. I'm also planning on putting a t-with a valve in my basement on the water supply to the garage so I can drain it in the winter.

Anchors are an interesting thought, might have to put some on the beams over head too.

And you are right, its super easy to spend money haha. Thanks for your input!


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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2018 - 10:12:07 am »
Do yourself a favor and go to LED now (or in the beginning). Its costs more but pays off in life and light quality. I converted one of my 40x60 shops to LED exclusively and love it. You want 6500K bulbs and you can get T8 bulbs and put them into normal florescent fixtures or you can buy the cheap round fixtures and put LED round bulbs
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2018 - 10:24:33 am »
Do yourself a favor and go to LED now (or in the beginning). Its costs more but pays off in life and light quality. I converted one of my 40x60 shops to LED exclusively and love it. You want 6500K bulbs and you can get T8 bulbs and put them into normal florescent fixtures or you can buy the cheap round fixtures and put LED round bulbs

Yes I will definitely be going LED, I should have said that when I said 150 watt equivalent. I'm sure they pay for the cost difference pretty quickly especially with installing 50 or so on the lower floor alone.

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018 - 10:49:42 am »
Just built a garage for a client.  26x24'
We installed two LEd 2'x2' squares. 
LIt that place up like the sun.  We could have just gone with one of the 2x2's
I feel the 2x2 square gave waay more light than the cans that I installed.
The whole house got leds.  105 cans, 6 chandeliers and some 20 other lights.   
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2018 - 11:11:10 am »
Just built a garage for a client.  26x24'
We installed two LEd 2'x2' squares. 
LIt that place up like the sun.  We could have just gone with one of the 2x2's
I feel the 2x2 square gave waay more light than the cans that I installed.
The whole house got leds.  105 cans, 6 chandeliers and some 20 other lights.

Hmmmm, are these the squares meant for drop ceilings? Any idea the lumen and wattage rating on those?

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2018 - 11:20:52 pm »
My buddy just built his garage and used one of those LED squares. It does put out pretty good light, but his is also high and I recall you mentioned that your ceilings were 13', so you may want to use 2 of them. They weren't cheap though! Consider running air line through the stud walls before you sheet them and you can put in connectors wherever you think they'd come in handy. One in a box outside to refill mommy's flat tire beats dragging 30' of hose out the now open door, too. We (after the fact) realized that today you'll likely want/need phone/stereo and computer lines also and this is the time to put 'em in. We're getting close to where we broach the subject of heat, but that's another story.  :cheers:

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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2018 - 02:05:05 pm »
My buddy just built his garage and used one of those LED squares. It does put out pretty good light, but his is also high and I recall you mentioned that your ceilings were 13', so you may want to use 2 of them. They weren't cheap though! Consider running air line through the stud walls before you sheet them and you can put in connectors wherever you think they'd come in handy. One in a box outside to refill mommy's flat tire beats dragging 30' of hose out the now open door, too. We (after the fact) realized that today you'll likely want/need phone/stereo and computer lines also and this is the time to put 'em in. We're getting close to where we broach the subject of heat, but that's another story.  :cheers:

Hmmmm sounds like I'm definitely gonna have to consider those squares, but from what I've been seeing they only put out 4000 lumens, which seems pretty low.

I'm thinking I'm not gonna put up the sheetrock for a while, I want to make sure I've got everything in the right places and don't have any systems I'd like to expand before closing it all up. I like that idea of the air connection on the outside too.

My uncle also brought up the phone/data line and I wasn't planning on putting them in but I think I'm going to run a second conduit next to the power so I can add them later when I realize I was a fool for not just putting them in in the first place.

Yes heat, I'll be heating with a wood stove, I keep a good stock for the house so I can use it in the garage too. I'm planning to run radiant heat tubing in the slab in case some day I decide to take advantage of it and use the wood stove as a boiler and pump it through the radiant tubing.