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Offline c4orce

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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016 - 10:00:03 am »
Some ideas.
Not trying to hijack this thread but does anyone have a link to a build thread or "how to" on converting to 2008+ grille and taillights. Just curious of the parts list required and what needs to be massaged where.




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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016 - 10:06:40 am »
The silver one is nice...I guess it's just a lot of trial and error  :dunno: You would need parts from both to see what it takes to make it fit.


That silver Franken-Challenger looks weird to me, something about it makes me crinch....



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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2016 - 01:53:33 pm »
Not trying to hijack this thread but does anyone have a link to a build thread or "how to" on converting to 2008+ grille and taillights. Just curious of the parts list required and what needs to be massaged where.

Considering how much wider the new Challenger is than a 70-74 that took so skillful massaging to work....   :2cents:
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2016 - 03:03:29 pm »
Are the new Challengers really wider than the original ones?
I have both and I always felt the new one is a bit narrower. But I was curious so I just put on my snowshoes and took a hike out to my detached garage and tried to measure.  I didn't get too carried away as a '70 with a cover on it was 72", but my '09 isn't covered so I didn't want to lay my steel measuring tape on it and scratch the paint, but it looks to be around 72" wide too.
Maybe it's the new Challengers height that made it look narrower to me.
Original E bodies were sort of the fat azz of the Chrysler corporation line back in the day.  My club the Chicagoland Mopar Connection used to have our July show at the Belvedere assembly plant grounds, and every year one feature at the show was that members with a particular type of car would be allowed to drive their car through the final stage of the assembly line and get a picture of their car "rolling off the line".  They had various A and B bodies do that over the years, but us Challenger and cuda guys never got the opportunity because our cars were too wide for Belvedere's final assembly line!  :'( 

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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2016 - 05:40:11 pm »
Sorry, but this is one of the most stupid posts I've seen in awhile.
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2016 - 03:07:43 pm »
Which then begs the question to the OP, what exactly do you mean by changing a Challenger to a Cuda? Just the light sections or body details too?

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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2016 - 04:07:50 pm »
well I guess you have to ask yourself about YOUR car is as far as value..mine started life as a 340 ralley car(only have the vin to confirm this)...Im switching my 72 to a 70 ta clone ONLY because I didnt have a fender tag, no build sheet, no matching number motors or trans....Im kind of kicking myself for doing it and not just being more patient and just buying a 70...I have THOUSANDS into swapping it over (grill, fenders, rear tail light panel, rear tail lights, side marker lights and so on), I should have just rebuilt the motor in my car and drove the damn thing!  three years into the project and Im still not close to getting it on the road!! 

 

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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2016 - 09:28:28 pm »
well I guess you have to ask yourself about YOUR car is as far as value..mine started life as a 340 ralley car(only have the vin to confirm this)...Im switching my 72 to a 70 ta clone ONLY because I didnt have a fender tag, no build sheet, no matching number motors or trans....Im kind of kicking myself for doing it and not just being more patient and just buying a 70...I have THOUSANDS into swapping it over (grill, fenders, rear tail light panel, rear tail lights, side marker lights and so on), I should have just rebuilt the motor in my car and drove the damn thing!  three years into the project and Im still not close to getting it on the road!!

And while I'm sure you built the car for yourself... If your ever have to sell it you know the buyer won't give you anywhere near what a 70 would sell for.....
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2016 - 09:05:59 pm »
well I guess you have to ask yourself about YOUR car is as far as value..mine started life as a 340 ralley car(only have the vin to confirm this)...Im switching my 72 to a 70 ta clone ONLY because I didnt have a fender tag, no build sheet, no matching number motors or trans....Im kind of kicking myself for doing it and not just being more patient and just buying a 70...I have THOUSANDS into swapping it over (grill, fenders, rear tail light panel, rear tail lights, side marker lights and so on), I should have just rebuilt the motor in my car and drove the damn thing!  three years into the project and Im still not close to getting it on the road!!

It depends on the project too. My '72 needed new fenders and quarters anyway, so, using 70/71 replacements isn't any different than using 72+ stuff, price is pretty close to the same. The grille was definitely more because I decided to go '71, but that's what I wanted and it still cost less than the difference between what I paid for my '72 and any '71 that was even marginally in my budget. And I like the '72 tail lights so I'm leaving them. So really I had to replace the majority of the parts needed for the clone anyway. My car has a fender tag and parts of the build sheet, but it was a 318 car to start off with and the original engine is long gone too. It won't be worth any less as a '71 clone that it would have been as a non-numbers '72 318 car.

And while I'm sure you built the car for yourself... If your ever have to sell it you know the buyer won't give you anywhere near what a 70 would sell for.....

So? Again, it's not likely to be worth any less than it would have been as a non-numbers, no documentation '72 rallye. Sure it's not going to get '70 T/A prices, but, it's a clone so it shouldn't. And had he tracked down a '70 to start off with the price would have been higher to buy it too. Making money on these cars is more about timing the market and getting a good deal on the front side, buy low sell high. Otherwise the cars that are worth more just cost more too. Yeah, you can sell it for more, but you're not any further ahead. Especially if you're trying to do some OE restoration, all those original reproduction and date coded parts just cost more, driving up the price on the restoration. I can buy everything I need from Summit and not care.

And really, would you be happy with a car that you have to keep all stock to have it be worth more or to keep from de-valuing it? I wouldn't. Yeah sure, having a real T/A would be cool, but, then I couldn't do what I wanted to it without "ruining" the car as the anal retentive purists say. I'd rather be able to modify the car as I see fit and drive the crap out of it than have to keep it all original and worry about running up the miles. It's a car, you're supposed to drive them. Otherwise it's just an investment, and that's boring as hell. You can't take it with you.
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2016 - 09:58:05 pm »
And really, would you be happy with a car that you have to keep all stock to have it be worth more or to keep from de-valuing it? I wouldn't. Yeah sure, having a real T/A would be cool, but, then I couldn't do what I wanted to it without "ruining" the car as the anal retentive purists say. I'd rather be able to modify the car as I see fit and drive the crap out of it than have to keep it all original and worry about running up the miles. It's a car, you're supposed to drive them. Otherwise it's just an investment, and that's boring as hell. You can't take it with you.

For all the crap people spew about how numbers cars are investments & you can't drive them.... My numbers matching Challenger R/T Convertible which as won lots of useless trophies including winning it's class at the prestigious Palo Alto Concours D Elegance has likely been driven further than 90% of the E bodies owned by CC members....

FWIW my point ties to Mpdlawdog's comment...  If you have issue with my comments about the folly on making a Cuda  out a Challenger then grab the cutting torch & get to work....

Quote from: Mpdlawdog on December 23, 2016 - 12:07:50 PM
well I guess you have to ask yourself about YOUR car is as far as value..mine started life as a 340 ralley car(only have the vin to confirm this)...Im switching my 72 to a 70 ta clone ONLY because I didnt have a fender tag, no build sheet, no matching number motors or trans....Im kind of kicking myself for doing it and not just being more patient and just buying a 70...I have THOUSANDS into swapping it over (grill, fenders, rear tail light panel, rear tail lights, side marker lights and so on), I should have just rebuilt the motor in my car and drove the damn thing!  three years into the project and Im still not close to getting it on the road!!


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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2016 - 05:40:00 am »
For all the crap people spew about how numbers cars are investments & you can't drive them.... My numbers matching Challenger R/T Convertible which as won lots of useless trophies including winning it's class at the prestigious Palo Alto Concours D Elegance has likely been driven further than 90% of the E bodies owned by CC members....

FWIW my point ties to Mpdlawdog's comment...  If you have issue with my comments about the folly on making a Cuda  out a Challenger then grab the cutting torch & get to work....

Quote from: Mpdlawdog on December 23, 2016 - 12:07:50 PM
well I guess you have to ask yourself about YOUR car is as far as value..mine started life as a 340 ralley car(only have the vin to confirm this)...Im switching my 72 to a 70 ta clone ONLY because I didnt have a fender tag, no build sheet, no matching number motors or trans....Im kind of kicking myself for doing it and not just being more patient and just buying a 70...I have THOUSANDS into swapping it over (grill, fenders, rear tail light panel, rear tail lights, side marker lights and so on), I should have just rebuilt the motor in my car and drove the damn thing!  three years into the project and Im still not close to getting it on the road!!

mpdlawdog's comments were in reference to making his '72 Challenger into a '70 TA Challenger clone, as were mine, so don't try to imply I was suggesting that trying to make a Challenger into a 'Cuda is a good idea because that's not what either of us were talking about in the segments you quoted. A grille and tail panel swap may be fairly straightforward but we all know that's not really the same thing as making a Challenger into a Cuda. And really, if someone wants to stretch a 'Cuda skin over Challenger frame work, who cares? Someone on here was making a 4 door Cuda, by comparison making the 'Cuda bodywork 2" longer to fit over a Challenger chassis would be a piece of cake. Guys channel, chop and section hot rods all the time. If you've got the fabrication skills why not? It's not always about making money.

As far as your trophies, I don't care what you've won or from where. I've seen really boring cars win trophies and really awesome cars that didn't. Can't take those with you either, that's why I don't show my cars anymore. I drive my cars because I enjoy the experience of doing it, not because of what they are or aren't worth or for some stupid trophy. I've logged over 60k miles in my '72 Challenger since I bought it a bit over 8 years ago , it was my full time daily driver for about 7 years of that until I swapped daily driver duties to my '74 Duster (a demon clone! :poopoke:), which is the newest car I own. I've logged over 10k miles in it since I made it my daily a year and a half or so ago. When I've finished the rust repairs, quarter replacements and paint on my Challenger (all work I'm doing myself) I'll put 100k more miles on it if I can, rebuild the engine and then do it again. Don't care what it's worth, not selling it, so the fact that it'll be a clone is irrelevant.

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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2016 - 09:27:17 am »
FWIW, The original poster hasn't been active since the day he posted this thread  :lol:
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2016 - 10:13:01 am »
He's probably busy cutting apart two cars :dunno:
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2016 - 11:48:59 am »
FWIW, The original poster hasn't been active since the day he posted this thread  :lol:
Well he does have a lot of work to do.....
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Re: converting a 72 challenger to a cuda ?
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2016 - 05:19:51 pm »
About anything can be done with a plasma, welder and lots of $$$ and time. Asking "why" in this hobby is futile to say the least.
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