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Offline cordodge

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CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« on: November 30, 2016 - 11:09:24 am »
Well tim at forhemisonly took my 572 apart and it is pretty much garbage!!! I will forward his findings and some photos. it's unbelievable someone would knowingly do something like this. Here is his comments.


Hi Bruce, sorry to ruin your vacation. Not positive, but guessing the hard cranking is lifter related, as all of them are collapsed, which makes the cam timing really short. Builds a ton of cylinder pressure. That is the least of your problems however. Not completely through this thing yet, but this engine was not going to survive very long. The quality of parts is atrocious, but check out the pictures. If you recall, I asked how could the connecting rods clear the oil pickup with this long a stroke without major mods to the pickup. Answer. Grind the connecting rod and bolt down to the point of guaranteed failure for clearance. In all the years in business, I have never seen a butcher job like this. The whole rotating assembly is out dated. As I stated, Chrysler uses parts on the shelf, rarely the correct parts. This thing is still using stock Hemi rod journals and short rods, the exact opposite of what you want. The lower cylinder bores were never correctly prepped. Sharp edges, and with pistons hanging out the bottom of the bores at BDC, it causes the skirts to be shaved. Deep gouges on all skirts. Combination of long stroke, short rod, too much skirt exposed at BDC, and poor cylinder prep. Rod bearings are hanging up on the crank journal fillets as well. Have not got the crank out to see the mains, but quite a bit of end play. Cam bearings look like they were initially too tight. We will have to completely redesign this thing, or it may be advantageous to get warranty. I was expecting problems, but this is beyond compare. Would love to know what shop would build something like this in good conscience. Tim@FHO


 



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Offline turbostang7

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:17:01 am »
I would also like to know what shop so there isn't a chance I may send something there.

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:21:23 am »
I would also like to know what shop so there isn't a chance I may send something there.


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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:35:30 am »
Here is some pics, I am so mad i could punch babies right now.
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:37:57 am »
Please don't say Indy Cylinder Head :faint:
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:39:33 am »
 :22yikes:

Who is the culprit in this mess? Lots of HEMI folks here and we need to know who to stay away from. Thanks in advance...
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:40:49 am »
Hopefully I can find out and let all you guys know, I have the invoice so that should help. I will defiantly keep you guys informed.

bruce  :villagers: :hyper: :swear:  :swear: :swear:
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:42:54 am »
At least it's in good hands now :worshippy
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:45:02 am »
I for sure want to be 100% correct so ill wait to see what I find out first, I just cant imagine sending something like that out, I could live with an unforeseen issue but this is the complete opposite.
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1969 roadrunner in progress
1969 D-100 13,000 mile truck
1969 L-700 tilt cab in progress
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2016 - 11:50:22 am »
At least it's in good hands now :worshippy

Yes it sure is Alan, Tim cant believe it. im so glad it didn't fire up !!. not sure if ill get any help from the builder or Ma Mopar but if not ill take to social media and do everything humanly possible to call them out on it. In todays age its not that hard.
1970 challenger 95% done
1969 roadrunner in progress
1969 D-100 13,000 mile truck
1969 L-700 tilt cab in progress
2007  Dodge Ram 4x4
2017 hyundia Santa fe ultimate
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2016 - 12:03:21 pm »
Wow! Some interesting, never seen before techniques there. Good thing it didn't start. You're looking at a new rotating assembly, cam and lifters at the least. Did Tim comment on the cylinder head prep? It'll be a work of art when he finishes with it.

Sheldon

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2016 - 12:26:18 pm »
Wow!  :eek2:  so sorry to see this. That's simply unbelievable!  :o  No excuses on that mess!  :villagers:

Curious also as to who made that mess..... :popcorn:
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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2016 - 12:26:25 pm »
That is completely unbelievable!   :eek4:   :screwy:

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2016 - 12:30:04 pm »
Wow! Some interesting, never seen before techniques there. Good thing it didn't start. You're looking at a new rotating assembly, cam and lifters at the least. Did Tim comment on the cylinder head prep? It'll be a work of art when he finishes with it.

Sheldon

You can say that again. He hasn't been through it all yet so looking at what he found so far im expecting the worst, Yes it will be the best it can be for sure but its hard to just swallow the mess its in with the money I paid for it.
1970 challenger 95% done
1969 roadrunner in progress
1969 D-100 13,000 mile truck
1969 L-700 tilt cab in progress
2007  Dodge Ram 4x4
2017 hyundia Santa fe ultimate
1977 VERY UNDERSTANDING WIFE !! 😇

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Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2016 - 12:40:01 pm »
Thanks guys,

I consider all you guys on here close friends that have help me with so many decisions while building my cars. I for sure would not like to see anyone end up in the mess im in now so I will be keeping you all updated.

Bruce
1970 challenger 95% done
1969 roadrunner in progress
1969 D-100 13,000 mile truck
1969 L-700 tilt cab in progress
2007  Dodge Ram 4x4
2017 hyundia Santa fe ultimate
1977 VERY UNDERSTANDING WIFE !! 😇