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Title: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: 72bluNblu on March 23, 2013 - 03:46:29 am
Ok, so this is for a floor shift column. It can be a formerly column shifted car, but the outer shifting tube has to be removed for this to work.

Mopar originally equipped these cars with a lame plastic lower "bushing" for the steering shaft. It doesn't really control the shaft all that well, and it costs like $80 to replace. You know, this dumb thing..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/IMG_4799_zps1b013c66.jpg)

Enter the ER16 flange bearing. It has a 1" inner diameter, and an outer diameter of 52mm. Turns out the column jacket has in inner diameter of ~52mm. Just a smidge less actually. So, you can search ER16, SER205-16, etc. I got mine here http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Insert-Bearing-ER16-ER-16-SER205-16-NEW-/280300800190?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41433ac8be (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Insert-Bearing-ER16-ER-16-SER205-16-NEW-/280300800190?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41433ac8be) for $4.50.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/IMG_4795_zpsb3e21dc4.jpg)

Now, a little work. This is for a '74 that started out as a column shift, so it has the little flange that's riveted to the column jacket. I removed it, and cleaned it up with a dremel. If you have the earlier version (pictured above on my '71 GT with factory floor shift), don't fret, its the same inner diameter.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/IMG_4800_zps31510d5c.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/IMG_4802_zps65888c62.jpg)

At this point, the bearing should slide in about half way.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/IMG_4803_zps40119566.jpg)

Now, for the '74 this was easy, I just put it in a press and pressed the bearing home, all the way up to the removable clip it comes with. Seemed like a good place. For an earlier column without the removable flange, you'll still have to find a way to press the bearing the rest of the way, or tap it in with a hammer etc. Keep in mind it really doesn't have to be a press fit, so you can remove a little more material if need be.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/IMG_1153_zps4488f1ae.jpg)

Ta-daaa! :cheers:

I reattached the lower flange with metal screws, and tightened the allen keys. The astute will notice the shaft coming out of the column in the picture is a 1"DD and not a stock 1" round, I did some more modifications. But don't worry, the ER16 will fit the standard steering shaft as well, its also 1". You'll probably have to clean it up with a wire wheel or dremel to get the bearing on, it slid onto some of the steering shafts I have, and required a little more motivation on others.

And finally...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Dark04/74%20Duster/fbe164fa-d147-4ae1-bb6b-81144c7f4ebd_zps8ef1e535.jpg)

No play, no falling out of the column, and it cost $9 shipped to my door. :D
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: 72bluNblu on March 23, 2013 - 03:51:29 am
And some extra for those of you that like the stock appearance. This was added onto my original thread on another site by a member there.

The flange bearing can be slid further up into the column jacket on original floor shifted cars (if you remove the clip from the bearing with my part #) and the allen keys tightened through the retainer clip holes, allowing you to run the original lower piece to hide the new bearing. Like so...
Title: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: diyhemi.com on March 23, 2013 - 07:21:05 am
Putting this on my to do list!
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: Jesus H Chrysler on March 23, 2013 - 07:44:09 am
Thank you for this!  I was wondering how to get the slop out of my steering column.
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Post by: CUDA JAS on March 23, 2013 - 08:49:31 am
hmm this looks interesting.

I have to rebuild my steering colum this spring, may have to see if I can source one of these bearings locally.

Is there any real benefit to it other then taking the slop out of the lower end of the tube.

I always thought that one you bolted everything together, column the to the floor and shaft to the box, all the slop was pretty much gone.

Jason
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Post by: Katfish on March 23, 2013 - 09:43:00 am
Interesting  :popcorn:
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Post by: Topcat on March 23, 2013 - 09:49:35 am
Make this thread a sticky!

Oh...BTW, the link to where to get them isn't working.
Title: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: diyhemi.com on March 23, 2013 - 10:13:15 am
Must sticky!
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Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on March 23, 2013 - 10:51:37 am
 :iagree:  Good info here!
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Post by: 71gogreen on March 23, 2013 - 11:08:13 am
hi,just asking if the steering wheel should be marked dead center from the 1" tube to the lower section Also did you drill pilot holes in the allen screws? :smokin: :dogpile:
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Post by: tommyg29 on March 23, 2013 - 11:27:12 am
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I dont think I have much slop, but...when the car is cold I do have a loud rubbing whine from somewhere in the column when I turn sharp the first time.
Only happens once each drive though.
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: Super Blue 72 on March 23, 2013 - 12:34:20 pm
Awesome job!  You da man!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: 72bluNblu on March 23, 2013 - 02:54:18 pm
Ok, so hopefully I fixed the link.

As for the other questions-

Depending on the type of column you have, there may be a couple of advantages. If you're switching from a steering column shift to a floor shift, this solves the lower bearing issue easier than a stock one. No holes to drill or slots to cut to mount the original floor shift bearing. Now, if you have a floor shift car and your bearing/nylon piece is busted, this is like $10 vs the $80 for a stock one.

The stock floor shift cars already had a bearing, and so did the column shift cars actually, so the play really only comes from the stock parts being broken. But especially on the floor shift cars, that nylon piece breaks a lot. On the column shift cars, the bearing is really lame, just an open ball bearing set up. Most of the ones I've seen were dried out and rusty, some with ball bearings missing. This gives you a nice sealed bearing, and it positively attaches to the shaft, the others just kind of slide on.

No need to mark center on the wheel, the bearing turns 360 degrees and doesn't have a stop, so it doesn't matter to the bearing. If you're talking about removing the steering shaft and putting it back in the same place (which you'll have to do in order to do this, or remove the coupler in the car), as long as you use the stock coupler and steering wheel parts they're all located by a master spline. 

I didn't drill any indents for the allen screws. The original had nothing like that, its just to support the steering shaft. The allen screws hold it more than tight enough.

It probably won't make a huge difference in how the steering feels. Once its all bolted up, if the steering shaft moves a little bit when you turn the wheel the coupler just takes it up. But this will provide extra support for the steering shaft, so less work for the coupler. And of course it should last forever, unlike the stock parts it replaces.
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: swede-cuda on March 27, 2013 - 03:47:05 pm
 :wave:its fun to fabricate.but how about the steering box,the 3 holes in it are bigger than the mounting bolts.so do you center it somehow to make sure theres no side load on the steering shaft?or welds(other thread)? just thinkin out loud here.overandout
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: burdar on March 27, 2013 - 03:56:58 pm
That's a pretty cool mod.  If you really plan on driving your car hard it looks like that would be worth the time to do.  The factory setup really isn't a bearing.  It was just a foam seal inside the plastic piece to keep engine comp heat from coming up the column.(into the interior)  It didn't take long for that foam to disappear.  For my car I just reused the plastic piece and cut a scrap piece of dence foam to fit.  When I tightened up the three column to firewall bolts I just made sure the shaft was centered in the tube so I didn't put any pressure on the foam.
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: the_engineers on March 27, 2013 - 04:47:09 pm
Awesome tech!
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: 72bluNblu on March 27, 2013 - 08:57:17 pm
:wave:its fun to fabricate.but how about the steering box,the 3 holes in it are bigger than the mounting bolts.so do you center it somehow to make sure theres no side load on the steering shaft?or welds(other thread)? just thinkin out loud here.overandout

No.  :biggrin:

The steering coupler takes out any misalignment with the steering shaft. The column itself moves a little too, it can be adjusted a bit with its position on the floor.

But, the bearing isn't new. From the factory, floor shifted manual steering cars came with a lower column bearing, pictured first below.

Also, all column shifted cars had lower bearings. There's a bearing on the steering shaft that rides inside of the shift tube, which is supported by a nylon bushing. Second picture below shows examples of the stock column shifted steering shaft bearings.

There's less give in the flange bearing I used, but not a ton. Its biggest advantage is if you're switching from a column shifted car to a floor shifted car, or if your stock lower bearing is worn out or damaged. The first one pictured below is usually about $80, the flange bearings are often in the $10 range.

Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: dodj on March 27, 2013 - 10:10:02 pm
 :ylsuper:
Thanks Brian, again!
Link works, Just ordered the bearing  :2thumbs:
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Post by: high perf mopar on March 27, 2013 - 10:41:25 pm
and while your at it u can replace the steering coupler boot/cover with something that is much more user freindly..

redesigned seal boot cover..made my life easier..about half way down on the link..steerandgear.com   .

http://www.steerandgear.com/Chrysler_Catalog.html (http://www.steerandgear.com/Chrysler_Catalog.html)
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Post by: dodj on April 06, 2013 - 07:57:02 am
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How do you do that?

My bearing showed up yesterday :2thumbs:
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Post by: tommyg29 on April 08, 2013 - 09:46:16 pm
How do you do that?

My bearing showed up yesterday :2thumbs:

You mean how do you subscribe?
I just meant I posted in the thread, so I can then just look at the top of the page to check "Show new replies to your posts" to read any new posts here.
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Post by: HP_Cuda on May 08, 2013 - 04:43:28 pm

Alright I have to ask, apparently I wanted to swap out my column shift for a floor shift but I got a column shift back.

Can I remove the lockout below and use the bearing shown in this thread or do I have to put it all back together as shown?
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Post by: HP_Cuda on May 09, 2013 - 03:40:39 pm

Bumpity!!!  :horse:

Anyone know if I can remove the lockout piece below and install the bearing shown in this thread?
Title: Re: Replace your lower column bearing: Better and Cheaper!!!
Post by: 72bluNblu on May 10, 2013 - 02:56:18 pm
Alright I have to ask, apparently I wanted to swap out my column shift for a floor shift but I got a column shift back.

Can I remove the lockout below and use the bearing shown in this thread or do I have to put it all back together as shown?

Disassemble the column and just remove the entire column shift tube/lever. Then install the flange bearing at the bottom. The column I installed the bearing on was actually a column shift auto column that I converted to floor shift.
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Post by: HP_Cuda on May 12, 2013 - 04:20:40 pm

Thanks for the feedback, I was afraid of that. I would have to pull the whole thing apart but I guess you have to do what you have to do.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to pull the top end apart but it looks like it's all got to come apart now.

Disassemble the column and just remove the entire column shift tube/lever. Then install the flange bearing at the bottom. The column I installed the bearing on was actually a column shift auto column that I converted to floor shift.
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Post by: HP_Cuda on May 16, 2013 - 01:19:28 am

Wow that was a bit painful but the dang column lock tube is out for GOOD!!!!

Btw, you can borrow the puller from Oreillys Auto parts and if you return it within 48 hrs you don't pay a thing! Heck I used it for 15 mins and done, hot dang cause I went to look to buy one and there wasn't any to have.

Bearing is going on tomorrow!!! :bananasmi
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Post by: 72bluNblu on May 16, 2013 - 09:33:17 pm
Wow that was a bit painful but the dang column lock tube is out for GOOD!!!!

Btw, you can borrow the puller from Oreillys Auto parts and if you return it within 48 hrs you don't pay a thing! Heck I used it for 15 mins and done, hot dang cause I went to look to buy one and there wasn't any to have.

Bearing is going on tomorrow!!! :bananasmi

Awesome!  :2thumbs:
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Post by: HP_Cuda on May 17, 2013 - 02:59:08 am
Actually finished the entire column up tonite and I'm very pleased with the outcome.

It turns as smooth as butter and there is no up down side to side movement of the steering rod at all!

So I have a couple of questions:

1) After reinstalling everything with the new bearing the steering coupler sticks out 9.5" from the tube. It looks right but I thought I'd check.

2) What is the gap between the Can and the Steering column? Mine looks to be about 1/2" or slightly smaller.

Thanks!
Bryan
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Post by: publicbottle on May 21, 2013 - 05:36:30 pm
Great idea!
Unfortunately that ebay seller wont ship to canada.
Is anyone able to post the bearing dimensions for me? I am trying to source one locally.

Thanks!
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Post by: HP_Cuda on May 21, 2013 - 08:10:32 pm
Exactly 1 inch inside diameter.
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Post by: Katfish on May 22, 2013 - 03:24:27 pm
Get PN and get from Amazon
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Post by: 72bluNblu on May 22, 2013 - 06:23:53 pm
Great idea!
Unfortunately that ebay seller wont ship to canada.
Is anyone able to post the bearing dimensions for me? I am trying to source one locally.

Thanks!

Just do a search for an ER16 insert bearing. Its a standard set of dimensions, inside diameter is 1", outside diameter is actually 52mm, or 2.047".
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Post by: Katfish on May 23, 2013 - 06:32:28 pm
Ok, now I'm confused?   :clueless:

Found on Amazon: 1" Insert Bearings SER205-16 

Is the part I need?   :dunno:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FPUXI/ref=s9_wish_gw_d61_g328_ir02?ie=UTF8&colid=1593BM0UJ7FDV&coliid=I3DNCVWTLNW52T&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0X0D6A7RS33QDGR21539&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FPUXI/ref=s9_wish_gw_d61_g328_ir02?ie=UTF8&colid=1593BM0UJ7FDV&coliid=I3DNCVWTLNW52T&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0X0D6A7RS33QDGR21539&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846)

Thx
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Post by: 72bluNblu on May 24, 2013 - 04:10:01 am
Ok, now I'm confused?   :clueless:

Found on Amazon: 1" Insert Bearings SER205-16 

Is the part I need?   :dunno:

[url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FPUXI/ref=s9_wish_gw_d61_g328_ir02?ie=UTF8&colid=1593BM0UJ7FDV&coliid=I3DNCVWTLNW52T&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0X0D6A7RS33QDGR21539&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045FPUXI/ref=s9_wish_gw_d61_g328_ir02?ie=UTF8&colid=1593BM0UJ7FDV&coliid=I3DNCVWTLNW52T&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0X0D6A7RS33QDGR21539&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846[/url])

Thx


Yep, that's it. SER205-16 is just another part # for it.
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Post by: highspeeddirt on June 24, 2013 - 09:20:26 am
Thanks for the tip!   Just about done with my column, and ordered this bearing for the job.  I have one question. 
My shaft was collapsed, so I modified the plastic retainer portion by drilling and tapping where they injected the plastic material, and using 2 small aluminum screws in their place.  I was concerned about it not collapsing in the event of an accident done this way. (Hence the aluminum screws) Well, I found out they collapse probably about the same as it would with the plastic.  Bone head me sheared the screws putting the crush can back on and had to drill them back out and put new ones in.  Good test, but not planned.

Anyway, my question..... with taking in consideration the shaft needing to collapse, wouldn't it be better to secure the bearing to the column tube and not use the allen screws to secure it to the shaft?  I wold think this would affect the collapse?  :dunno:
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Post by: 72bluNblu on June 27, 2013 - 04:25:19 am
If you're concerned about it, you don't need to tighten the allen screw.

But keep in mind you're not going to be able to put much tension on that allen screw anyway, it doesn't thread into the steering shaft. It just keeps the bearing from sliding under normal conditions.

Also, the bearing just sits in the outer column jacket. Its pressed in enough that it won't fall out, but in a crash it wouldn't stay put either. For that matter, the column jacket itself is designed to collapse as well, so even if the allen screw held tight (it won't) and the bearing didn't slide in the housing (it will), the housing itself would collapse. And once that happened, the steering shaft would collapse with it.

Getting impaled by the steering column is probably the absolute least of your worries in a crash with one of these cars.

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Post by: tommyg29 on June 27, 2013 - 05:40:27 pm
Just looked at mine and noticed the shaft isnt even touching the plastic "bearing".
Maybe a metal bearing is missing but mine has a gap of about 1/4" between the shaft and the white plastic, so the shaft isnt supported at that point at all. Its simply providing a clean oversized opening at the firewall. :clueless:
(http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af41/trgreen/Plymouth/Plymouth%20repairs/IMG_1559.jpg) (http://s992.photobucket.com/user/trgreen/media/Plymouth/Plymouth%20repairs/IMG_1559.jpg.html)
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Post by: 72bluNblu on June 27, 2013 - 06:56:14 pm
Just looked at mine and noticed the shaft isnt even touching the plastic "bearing".
Maybe a metal bearing is missing but mine has a gap of about 1/4" between the shaft and the white plastic, so the shaft isnt supported at that point at all. Its simply providing a clean oversized opening at the firewall. :clueless:
([url]http://i992.photobucket.com/albums/af41/trgreen/Plymouth/Plymouth%20repairs/IMG_1559.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s992.photobucket.com/user/trgreen/media/Plymouth/Plymouth%20repairs/IMG_1559.jpg.html[/url])


Yup, that's how most of them came. I think only the manual steering cars actually got a bearing, and it was still just a small bearing surrounded by plastic.

Don't get me wrong, you don't NEED to have a bearing there. Just one more place to remove some play in the system.
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Post by: mrbill426 on December 24, 2013 - 10:44:12 pm
So, floor shifted automatic cars only came with that snap-in plastic collar, and no actual bearing?
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Post by: burdar on December 24, 2013 - 11:25:04 pm
Yes...except maybe for manual steering applications as mentioned above. My 73 didn't have a bearing...just the plastic collar. It looked just like the picture above. The inner seal was gone so there was a gap between the inner shaft and the plastic...just like the picture. I used a scrap piece of thick foam from a heater box seal kit and made a new seal. You just have to make sure the inner shaft is centered in the column when you tighten the three lower support bolts.

I'm going to do this mod on my Dart. I'm converting to manual steering so I can see the need for more support. I also like the updated coupler seal. I wonder if it's available from the dealer cheaper then in the link?
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Post by: mrbill426 on December 25, 2013 - 04:51:48 pm
Mine is power steering so I guess that's all there is.  I've been racking my brain off and on about this (unfinished) look for some time and now have the answer.  Guess I don't need that $65!! special bearing the aftermarket guys are selling after all  :thumbsup:, thanks all!

 :working:



Yes...except maybe for manual steering applications as mentioned above. My 73 didn't have a bearing...just the plastic collar. It looked just like the picture above. The inner seal was gone so there was a gap between the inner shaft and the plastic...just like the picture. I used a scrap piece of thick foam from a heater box seal kit and made a new seal. You just have to make sure the inner shaft is centered in the column when you tighten the three lower support bolts.

I'm going to do this mod on my Dart. I'm converting to manual steering so I can see the need for more support. I also like the updated coupler seal. I wonder if it's available from the dealer cheaper then in the link?
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Post by: elmoska on June 09, 2014 - 06:46:35 pm
i'm missing the pins that block the lower steering shaft to the steering box.

i don't know what it look like and where to get it.

challenger 74.

is it this one

sp3252 or sp3253

http://www.jimsautoparts.com/steering_parts.htm (http://www.jimsautoparts.com/steering_parts.htm)
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Post by: 72bluNblu on June 09, 2014 - 07:13:57 pm
Sounds like 3252 is what you need, that's the one that holds the steering coupler onto the steering box.

3253 holds the guts of the steering coupler in.
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Post by: CUDA JAS on June 24, 2014 - 07:51:20 am
Great idea!
Unfortunately that ebay seller wont ship to canada.
Is anyone able to post the bearing dimensions for me? I am trying to source one locally.

Thanks!

Did you ever find a local (Canada) source for the bearing.  I want one, but do not want to pay $9 shipping on an $8 item.

Jason
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 05, 2014 - 12:09:05 am
ok... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I went our a bought the bearing (found a local source,$25).  Looks like it will fit the column ok, but it does not look like it will fit the shaft.

I measured both the bearing and the shaft, the inside diameter of the bearing - just less than an inch (0.998) and the shaft, just over an inch (1.003).

I am guessing I need to sand the paint of the shaft, and uhhh use a little force to get the bearing on????

I guess I thought it would just slide on????

Jason
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Post by: 72bluNblu on July 06, 2014 - 02:00:49 am
ok... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I went our a bought the bearing (found a local source,$25).  Looks like it will fit the column ok, but it does not look like it will fit the shaft.

I measured both the bearing and the shaft, the inside diameter of the bearing - just less than an inch (0.998) and the shaft, just over an inch (1.003).

I am guessing I need to sand the paint of the shaft, and uhhh use a little force to get the bearing on????

I guess I thought it would just slide on????

Jason

Umm, you're talking about a .005" difference. If the shaft has paint on it, that's the problem. A little sandpaper and some elbow grease and you'll be in business. It's a tight fit, but it shouldn't need a press. I had to do a little clean up with some sandpaper too, only took 5 minutes.
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Post by: brads70 on July 06, 2014 - 09:43:39 am
Umm, you're talking about a .005" difference. If the shaft has paint on it, that's the problem. A little sandpaper and some elbow grease and you'll be in business. It's a tight fit, but it shouldn't need a press. I had to do a little clean up with some sandpaper too, only took 5 minutes.

 :iagree: in addition that shaft I'll bet is not perfectly round either like the bearing is.
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Post by: CudamanTom on July 06, 2014 - 10:50:15 am
I am guessing I need to sand the paint of the shaft, and uhhh use a little force to get the bearing on????

I guess I thought it would just slide on????

Jason

Jason,
The bearing will just slide on. BUT the shaft has to be clean of any rust, paint or burrs.
I made the mistake of painting the shaft first. Clean the shaft, slide the bearing in place. I painted the shaft after I installed the steering column.
Worked perfectly.
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 08, 2014 - 12:30:34 am
thanks guys.

I will keep sanding on the shaft and get it to fit.

I was just worried about taping on things, don't want to destroy the bearing or collapse the shaft...any further.

Jason
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 09, 2014 - 10:27:22 pm
thanks guys.

I will keep sanding on the shaft and get it to fit.

I was just worried about taping on things, don't want to destroy the bearing or collapse the shaft...any further.

Jason

well, I may have got a little over zealous with my tapping, ok maybe I was more then tapping with my BFH.  I have the bearing just about where it needs to be...but the bearing is really tight, and does not turn very freely.   :eek4: :eek4: :eek4: :bricks1: :bricks1: :bricks1: 
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 10, 2014 - 12:24:47 pm
oh and now I am concerned how I am going to get the lock plate on the shaft with the bearing in there...I think I am over thinking this....

 :swear: :swear:
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Post by: CudamanTom on July 10, 2014 - 01:04:15 pm
well, I may have got a little over zealous with my tapping, ok maybe I was more then tapping with my BFH.  I have the bearing just about where it needs to be...but the bearing is really tight, and does not turn very freely.   :eek4: :eek4: :eek4: :bricks1: :bricks1: :bricks1:
Jason. So the outter part of the bearing doesn't turn freely?
If the bearing is tight on the shaft, that's fine and just what you want. But the outter part needs to turn fairly easy.
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 10, 2014 - 01:09:50 pm
Jason. So the outter part of the bearing doesn't turn freely?
If the bearing is tight on the shaft, that's fine and just what you want. But the outter part needs to turn fairly easy.

Oh its tight on the shaft alright...but it also take a bit of force to turn the outer porting of the bearing now.


Jason
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Post by: CudamanTom on July 10, 2014 - 05:06:57 pm
Oh its tight on the shaft alright...but it also take a bit of force to turn the outer porting of the bearing now.
Jason

Hummm, you might have dinged it a little. I know I hit mine pretty good (my mistake) but seemed to rotate okay and checking for uneven movement. They seemed built pretty tough.
I guess it's what you feel is best.
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Post by: Topcat on July 10, 2014 - 10:41:15 pm
Before I put my bearing on, I took a Roloc fine grit on my pnuematic air tool and sanded it all over.

Then after that, I took a finer grit sand paper and sanded till it was smooth.
Slid the bearing on, and was done without any effort sliding it up into place.
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Post by: Topcat on July 10, 2014 - 10:44:38 pm
Did you hammer out the T end and try to slide it up?
Or are you trying to get the bearing to slide from top to down?

Top to down won't work. The shaft is thicker at the top area.
Ask me how I know. I ruined one trying that.

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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 11, 2014 - 08:34:53 am
Did you hammer out the T end and try to slide it up?
Or are you trying to get the bearing to slide from top to down?

Top to down won't work. The shaft is thicker at the top area.
Ask me how I know. I ruined one trying that.

I was going from the top down.

Did you destroy the shaft of the bearing.

At this point, I think I am just going to cut the bearing off and start over...I am pretty sure I ruined the bearing.  There goes $25 down the toilet!!

Jason
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Post by: Topcat on July 11, 2014 - 09:05:27 am
I was going from the top down.

Did you destroy the shaft of the bearing.

At this point, I think I am just going to cut the bearing off and start over...I am pretty sure I ruined the bearing.  There goes $25 down the toilet!!

Jason

Ended up getting another bearing.
Hammer out the T and do what I did with a roloc and sandpaper.
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 11, 2014 - 02:28:32 pm
Ended up getting another bearing.
Hammer out the T and do what I did with a roloc and sandpaper.

How did you get the bearing off?

Jason
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Post by: Topcat on July 11, 2014 - 03:32:30 pm
Use a thick angle iron and a BFH.
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Post by: CUDA JAS on July 11, 2014 - 10:08:47 pm
Ok, a little update... :bigsmile:

I managed to get the bearing to the right spot on the shaft (or at least very close).

I have some old fence posts at the back of my property that are about the right diameter to fit onto the bearing. Ok, so property my be exaggerating a little, they are at the back of my yard..lol.

I took the shaft out there, initially to try and wack the bearing off.  Of course the cross pin prevented that so I decided to flip the shaft over and give the bearing a wack and see if I could drive it down a little. Success!!  It moved quite a bit. 

So I tried it again...thunk...wait what was that....yep the top portion of the shaft dropped out of the shaft.  Ah crap.

Anyway I managed to drive the bearing down to where it needs to be. The weird part is that the bearing really freed up and now turns with very little resistance.  So I think I am going to leave it and go with it.

Then I cut down the fence post to retrieve the other half of the shaft. 

No damage there.  So now I can fix the shafts properly, so that's good.

So all in all, a good night.

Jason 
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Post by: Topcat on July 11, 2014 - 10:32:29 pm
 :thumbsup:

Your length to coupler might be off now when you go to install but don't fret.
Mine was off too.

It'll be a trial fit, on and off situation when you are ready to bolt the entire steering assembly in.

Took 4 attempts before it was just right to hammer the pin thru to the steering box.


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Post by: CudamanTom on July 11, 2014 - 11:00:46 pm
:thumbsup:

Your length to coupler might be off now when you go to install but don't fret.
Mine was off too.
Took 4 attempts before it was just right to hammer the pin thru to the steering box.

Dito on that.  :2thumbs:
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Post by: dakota on September 08, 2014 - 07:04:35 am
I'm in the middle of taking my column apart.   I'd like to go ahead and add the lower bearing, but I'm having some trouble getting the shift tube loose.   I think I found and moved the 2 metal tabs at the top of the shaft that have to be bent in, but the tube isn't moving at all.   I've shot some WD40 into the area around the tabs since it looks like it's stuck with some light corrosion.  Before I start banging on this to unstick it, please let me know if I'm missing something. 
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Post by: CudamanTom on September 08, 2014 - 08:58:57 am
Did you remove the allen screw on the side inside the top part of the column?
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Post by: dakota on September 08, 2014 - 10:04:17 pm
CudaTom - No, I missed it.  Once I loosened the set screw, everything came apart with a bit of tugging.   Thanks!
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Post by: 73restomod on February 05, 2015 - 06:43:19 pm
I just order my bearing, figured now was the time while Firm Feel rebuilds my box to a spec 3...:)
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Post by: stinger on April 13, 2015 - 08:36:46 pm
I have one of these bearings on order and want to try this mod but I don't know much about steering columns but I'm going to give it a try. I have a 70 floor shift column but it has the park lock lever on the end,what needs to be done to remove the lever?
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Post by: HP_Cuda on April 15, 2015 - 02:55:09 pm
Once you have it apart you can just yank it off

Thats what I did

B
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Post by: stinger on April 15, 2015 - 09:03:25 pm
Once you have it apart you can just yank it off

Thats what I did

B

yeh I figured.got my bearing and pic tutorial on hand so gonna clean up and paint the column this weekend
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Post by: stinger on April 18, 2015 - 06:43:17 pm
in the middle of this mod,I sanded and cleaned the shaft with a d.a. and 150 grit where the shaft was completely bare metal and no way that bearing was going down that shaft. I ended up metal finishing the shaft with a grinder and a 50 grit disc then resanding it in 150 to a smooth finish. the bearing easily fits now. just thought I'd post this for anyone in the future who might run into an issue.
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Post by: Topcat on April 18, 2015 - 10:05:35 pm
in the middle of this mod,I sanded and cleaned the shaft with a d.a. and 150 grit where the shaft was completely bare metal and no way that bearing was going down that shaft. I ended up metal finishing the shaft with a grinder and a 50 grit disc then resanding it in 150 to a smooth finish. the bearing easily fits now. just thought I'd post this for anyone in the future who might run into an issue.

Yeah, I mentioned that it was a tight fit earlier in this thread.

The shaft is a few mils too thick for the bearing to slide on.
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Post by: 73restomod on July 08, 2015 - 09:19:36 am
Finished this mod a little bit ago, will post a pic when I get a chance, not hard just remember to sand the shaft clean, and she'll slide right on with a few taps from a rubber mallet. Than I tightened the set screw and primed and painted it. Looks like it belongs there and that wobbly feel is all gone. My friend has a 2000 Camaro and he says the column feels tighter than his. :2thumbs:
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Post by: AussieMark on September 14, 2015 - 07:08:23 am
Another thing you can do is warm up the bearing with an electric heat gun (not too much) and put the shaft in a freezer for a while before assembly. We use this method when doing gearboxes with press fit bearings so if this bearing only has a little resistance this method should work real well.
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Post by: WildJones on September 19, 2015 - 07:01:58 pm
Guys, I need some help. The pin that sits perpendicular to the end of the steering shaft that connects to the steering coupler - my understanding is that needs to be removed so that I can slide the bearing from that end up into position, correct? How do I do that?

Also, there is another portion of the steering column that rotates maybe less than 45 degrees each way. When it goes in one direction it locks the ignition key into the ignition. Can this piece be removed? When we got the car it wasn't connected to anything. Do I need it? If so, what should be connected to it.
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Post by: WildJones on September 19, 2015 - 07:09:26 pm
Also, how do you guys remove the steering shaft from the outter jacket? The wires that attach to the plastic piece run out of slack with the steering shaft about half way through the outter section. Do I need to disassemble the top section some more?
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Post by: shawge on September 21, 2015 - 12:04:29 pm
The steering shaft pin will need a shop press.  You'll need to press the pin off in order to slide the bearing up.  Don't forget to re-install the seal before pressing the pin back on. 
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Post by: WildJones on September 21, 2015 - 03:52:23 pm
Thanks! I don't have a press, but was able to beat it out using a vice, hammer, and punch. Also, figured out that the wires can be oriented in such a way to get through the openings. Guess I didn't have the thinking cap on tight enough on Saturday. :bricks1:
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Post by: HP_Cuda on September 22, 2015 - 02:09:36 am

Mike

What part of the Bay Area are you in?

B
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Post by: Denison636 on September 23, 2015 - 01:34:25 am
I need to look into doing this on mine while the motor is out.
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Post by: Code3 on October 05, 2015 - 09:24:58 pm
I went through the whole build and put it back together but the steering wheel was upside down so I took the coupler off of the steering box took the shaft out and rotated 180deg. now the thing is short by a couple inches. I can't get it to fit again? WTF? It fit just fine and I've been going nuts trying to figure it out. I've taken the shaft in and out about 10 times and it's still too short.

If the coupler goes on the steering box the shaft falls out. If the coupler is on the shaft then it won't reach the steering box.

It's definitely user error but don't know what I'm, doing wrong.  :swear:
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Post by: filmsurgeon on October 06, 2015 - 12:26:32 am
I went through the whole build and put it back together but the steering wheel was upside down so I took the coupler off of the steering box took the shaft out and rotated 180deg. now the thing is short by a couple inches. I can't get it to fit again? WTF? It fit just fine and I've been going nuts trying to figure it out. I've taken the shaft in and out about 10 times and it's still too short.

If the coupler goes on the steering box the shaft falls out. If the coupler is on the shaft then it won't reach the steering box.

It's definitely user error but don't know what I'm, doing wrong.  :swear:
Is it at all possible that in your process you "collapsed" that the shaft by sheering the sheer pins?  If so, that would explain the shaft being shorter.  Just a thought.  I accidentally sheered my pins and collapsed the shaft while I was dissembling my column for restoration.  I had to re-establish the correct length of the collapsable shaft, and improvise using rivets to keep the length.
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Post by: Code3 on October 06, 2015 - 12:41:44 am
I just took the whole thing apart and you are exactly right filmsurgeon! I didn't know it was a two piece shaft!  :screwy:

Did you just use rivets to put it back? Did you line it up and drill the plastic pins out and replace with rivets?

what is the correct length the shaft should be?

I could've swore I was going crazy! I tapped on the shaft from the steering wheel side to get it over the splines on the steering box. That's what did it!
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Post by: Code3 on October 06, 2015 - 12:52:34 am
The black line is where is used to be but now I don't know how far to lengthen it.
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Post by: 72bluNblu on October 09, 2015 - 07:58:13 pm
The black line is where is used to be but now I don't know how far to lengthen it.

The pins are sheared already, so I would use a small drill bit to get the outer pieces of the pins out of the shaft. Don't drill all the way through to the inner shaft, just enough to get the little outer plugs out. Then you'll be able to see spots where the inner part of the pins were when you slide the inner shaft back and forth. Line up the inner pins with the outer holes and you're set.

As far as connecting the shafts again, just keep in mind that you want the shaft to collapse in case of an accident, so don't use anything too tough.
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Post by: Code3 on October 11, 2015 - 08:03:17 pm
I pulled the shaft out and then measured how far it need to go back in. It looks like the plastic was injection molded from the factory. I ended up just moving it to right location and leaving it as is. I figured I'd rather have it collapse easily in a wreck.
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Post by: Denison636 on October 19, 2015 - 06:01:35 pm
I am going to try this on my car this week. Waiting on the bearing to come in.
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Post by: Topcat on October 26, 2015 - 01:37:46 am
Here is where you can get the upper column bearing.

http://dynamicrenovation.net/viewitem.php?productid=34 (http://dynamicrenovation.net/viewitem.php?productid=34)
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Post by: roadman5312 on October 26, 2015 - 03:46:24 pm
          I saved this thread from last year, ordered the bearing last week and installed it today. Didn't have to mess with the pin because I had to shorten the shaft for the Borgeson coupler. 8 bucks for the bearing, 15 minutes clean and prep, wham fantastic upgrade.   :2thumbs:   Note: If the bearing seller gets wind that were using them on Mopars the bearing will probably go up to $50.00 bucks.    :roflsmiley:          :smilielol:                :2thumbs:

 :rebel:
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Post by: HP_Cuda on October 26, 2015 - 06:34:15 pm

No kidding and he will call it a Hemi steering column bearing!

 :roflsmiley:
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Post by: Topcat on October 26, 2015 - 09:38:32 pm
While the column is still out with the new bearing on, might be a good idea to add a drop of red locktite to the Allen screws.

One of mine fell off recently but luckily I was able to find it.
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Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on March 27, 2017 - 05:06:11 pm
Commenting so that I can follow up on this. Great solution!


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Post by: jimynick on March 27, 2017 - 10:22:42 pm
As Goody says, it's a good solution and one I need to do as well. The bearings are now $6.94 + $5.00 shipping in the US, but that still beats $80 the other way.  :cheers:
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Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on March 28, 2017 - 01:24:03 pm
As Goody says, it's a good solution and one I need to do as well. The bearings are now $6.94 + $5.00 shipping in the US, but that still beats $80 the other way.  :cheers:

Ended up ordering an eBay one for $6.50 shipped.


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Post by: 60K T/A on April 01, 2017 - 07:29:10 pm
  I'm real happy with the results after replacing the bearings. I can roll the shaft with 2 fingers now. I did use a Japanese lower bearing.

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/Chainsaw3406/IMG_7009_zpsllcgulf5.jpg) (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/Chainsaw3406/media/IMG_7009_zpsllcgulf5.jpg.html)
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Post by: Mickm on June 03, 2017 - 08:16:36 am
This is an awesome solution, I did it and couldn't be more pleased with the results.

I opted for the rubber boot over the original sealing pieces like you did 60K T/A and think it is a better approach also.

Cheers!
Mickm
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Post by: usraptr on February 25, 2019 - 01:13:55 pm
Just in case anybody reading this has a '70 floor shift car, for this modification to work you have to remove your column "lock out tube" to get the bearing into the column jacket/tube.  Obviously if you do you'll also have to remove the your "lock out" linkage.  If you are not using the linkage, like me, just disassembly your column and remove the "lock out tube" and then insert the bearing.