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Title: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 23, 2019 - 12:39:57 pm
Here we go again, beginning the "next" project. This will be a long post I suspect, but I will try and stick to the facts. So let's begin at the beginning with a little history on the car.

My connection with the car began around 2010 when a friend of more that 40 years who lives in ND (I live in WA) contacted me and told me he just bought a 70 RR off eBay. He told me the car was in Medford OR, had recently been painted (EV2), had a tilt front end and was "ready to be built". He could not find a shipper who would pick it up and since I was planning on going to ND that October to attend his daughter's wedding, he was asking if I would get it and bring it out when I came with him paying for fuel. After getting the car I inspected it and realized that while it was shiny it needed everything as there was a lot of "shade tree" things on the car (more on that later). In the end, my buddy didn't want it and told me to sell it, I decided to buy/keep it as the 70 RR is my favorite B body.

The car itself is a LA car, originally a 383, AT, manual steering, manual brake car. Looks to have been brown exterior and creme/brown interior. It appears someone pulled it from a field sometime along the way as it kind of looks like it was a parts car perhaps. It has a funky roll cage in it that screams "stock car". 68 Charger instrument cluster with Tic Tac. They mounted a gas tank in the trunk and mounted a flip lock on the top of the right rear quarter panel "charger style" (why they didn't put it on the drivers side like a Charger is beyond me). The car has a 8.75 with what I believe are 3.91 gears but the the pinion bearing is trashed. They sealed off the trunk from the passenger compartment with a variety of sheet metal which they painted with what looks like POR15. The tilt front end is interesting, well executed but requires 2 bolts to be removed in order to tilt it, however the hood can be opened normally. They removed the inner fender wells and ran tubes from the firewall to the front of the frame rails. These tubes connect to plates that are welded to the firewall and are connected to tubes that connect to the inner sub-frame connectors (stock car magic....). The wiring harness is present but pretty torn up. The trunk floor is toast but the overall body is decent (although I have no idea what is under the paint). The paint was nice but seems that they did not let the primer cure before painting as it has off gassed through the paint creating millions of little craters/bubbles.

Over the years I thought about what to do with it, how to build it, etc. At one point I really wanted to make a Superbird clone out of it but thats cost prohibitive and given it is a real RM car, I decided to just build it as a hotrod. While at a buddys shop we were discussing drive trains and he asked me what I was going to put into it. I stated I would try and find a RV 440 or something but that I needed a 4 spd as that is iconic to me. I laughingly said "it needs a 426 Hemi" but.... He immediately responded that he had all the parts to built a 426; he showed me a 1966 block that had been in a race car and been windowed but repaired and reinstalled then raced, heads, crank, etc. I am a gun guy with deep connections to that industry and he was a budding gun guy so a trade was made. Subsequently, I did some trading with a guy at a machine shop who went through the short block and heads. He sonic checked and magnafluxed the block stating it was good.

My intentions - I intend to keep it basically as it is with the tilt front end, put the Hemi into it with a 833 behind it and of course pistol grip. I am going to install an air grabber hood (have one that will require some work). I will make the air grabber work electrically. I will convert the tilt release to electric. Going to install a stock looking interior, but might make a custom instrument cluster or use a DD version (if I can come up with the $$). I am going to put EFI on it as well and run a factory big oval single 4BBL air cleaner (had to pay like $400 for that).

Follow along, this will not be fast as I am working with a limited budget but there is a lot to do. I did have to order a new exhaust rocker for the engine. Have a Mopar purple Hyd cam for it and some big headers.

Some pictures
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 23, 2019 - 12:41:44 pm
More pics
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 23, 2019 - 12:42:29 pm
I will post more pictures later today, they are all to large right now.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 23, 2019 - 09:42:50 pm
Here are some more
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 24, 2019 - 01:11:28 pm
I believe that I am going to paint this one grey however my wife wants it dark blue like a midnight blue. It will be quite a while until I am ready for paint but we will see. Here are a bunch of colors for comparison.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 24, 2019 - 01:17:14 pm
Here is a nice blue one
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 25, 2019 - 06:43:41 pm
Some more pictures
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 26, 2019 - 03:01:05 pm
I have removed the POS roll cage that was in the car and am convinced that whomever was building the car was a stock car guy. A lot of the work done in the car is very indicative of how dirt track guys build their cars. Its possible that someone was going down that path and then either decided not to finish it or perhaps someone else came around and obtained the car and decided to make a show car / hotrod out of it.

I need to rework the front end, specifically the down tubes there as one is split. My game plan is to install sub frame connectors and torque boxes to stiffen the frame and then set about removing at least one down tube. There are tubes on the inside of the car that connect to the front tubes and are welded to angle iron over the rockers. Once I get the SFC's and torque boxes in, I will cut out the angle iron and tubes as I do not want them in there. Also, once I get the SFC's and torque boxes in I can cut out the trunk floor and repair a couple of spots in the drivers floor pan.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 'Cuda Hunter on May 27, 2019 - 11:06:44 am
This is gonna be sweet! 

I actually prefer lime light or hemi orange.  Makes the car really pop! 

Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 27, 2019 - 12:43:44 pm
I do love hemi orange but I already have a hemi orange 70 challenger. So here is the color pallet I have

- Hemi orange 70 Challenger RT
- lime light 73 Cuda
- Plum Crazy Purple 2010 Challenger RT
- Yellow 01 Viper GTS ACR
- flat black 52 Dodge B3B pickup
- creme 68 Barracuda (this one will probably end up dark blue)

So, if I am going to stick with the high impact colors, doesn't leave much but Sassy Grass or Moulin Rouge (pink) neither of which I am all that excited about. I like the pink actually but thats a lot of pink (I have seen it on B bodies and its a bit much). A guy I knew had a 68 Hemi Road Runner that was a gun metal grey / silver and it really looks killer with black accents such as the hood black outs.

I definitely don't want black, white or red. Blue isn't out but I really wanted to do the 68 in blue.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on May 27, 2019 - 11:25:43 pm
Interesting car Mike! I wonder if a stock car guy was helping a want-to-be drag racer, what with the rear seat closeout and the flip frt end? I like 70 Runners too and the fact that you schwingled a 426 for it just raises the ante! I like the dark grey and if I was going blue, it'd be a dark navy blue, not a royal blue, even though that looks good too. Should be cool when you get done!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 28, 2019 - 12:19:00 am
Thanks for the comments. I agree with you, a dirt track and a drag racer both had something to do with this car at one time or another; perhaps working in concert perhaps separately. I will say that someone with some skill was involved, specifically the body guy. I don't know whats under the paint (don't really want to know  :bigsmile:) but the body work was done pretty well, in particular the charge esk fuel filler on the quarter as well as the fitment of the tilt front end. My initial impressions were that the body guy owed the owner of the car some money or something and did the body work in trade, perhaps free. The reason I say this is that the work where you can see is nice, however the parts you cannot normally see are rough. I think the lower rear quarters are bad, I will strip them working up until I hit good steel; but from what I can see it looks like just the lower parts are bad. The trunk floor will be replaced as it is pretty ratty.

My current game plan is to make it structurally sound but installing some torque boxes and sub frame connectors. Once I have that I can then address the front down tubes and the interior SFC over the rockers and the internal bars.

I got one torque box made and installed on the passenger front corner, I am making them out of 3/16 steel so they should be plenty strong. I had to replace one panel they cut out for some reason on the passenger side (the thing in grey primer), looks like they cut the drivers side but repaired it.

I agree on the color issue, right now dark grey is where my head is at but we are a long way off before I have to decide. 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 29, 2019 - 01:49:28 pm
Didn't get anything done yesterday, had some domestic duties to attend to. I will get back to the torque boxes and SFCs today.

Been thinking about how I am going to deal with the front end, specifically the bracing to bring strength back into it. What I have decided is to add some bars and perhaps a little sheet metal. Here are some simple diagrams that show what I am thinking. This may be modified once I start but I think it will essentially look like this.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on May 30, 2019 - 12:16:59 am
I managed to get the front torque boxes done and the subframe connectors in. The car is pretty decent structurally and doesn't look like it was ever hit or twisted. I believe it was a parts car at some point, the rearend came from something else (looks like another B body. The E brake cables from the original rearend were cut off and left in the car which points to it being removed for another car. Then whenever someone found it and attempted to ressurect it, they found a rearend from something else (perhaps 68 Charger since the instrument cluster is from one).
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 01, 2019 - 01:32:21 pm
I moved on to making the rear torque boxes and managed to get one done so far. As can be seen in the pictures, I made a template which then was transferred over to metal. I could have made these in 3 pieces but elected to do it in 2, a little harder in that the biggest piece has to be bent in a specific way to get it to fit the hole. This would have been much easier if I was using thinner material say 12 gauge) but I am using 3/16 so it has to be persuaded. Not super hard, just takes some patience and tweaking to make fit correctly.

I ordered a pile of engine parts yesterday, specifically I ordered my external oiling system, windage tray, oil pan, etc. a quick $500 or so gone...  :money:

Once I get the torque boxes in I will move to the front end and get that redone, braced, etc. so that I can then move back inside to remove the interior bars and internal rocker subframe connectors. Then it will be on to the trunk floor, lower rockers, etc.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on June 01, 2019 - 11:43:07 pm
Looking good man! How in the hell are you bending that 3/16ths? And neatly at that! I hear you about blowing $500 in the blink of an eye, too.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 02, 2019 - 12:08:50 am
Thanks. I use a variety of methods ranging from pure brute strength and a BFH, to heat and also a press. Its kind of a pain to manipulate but it can be done.

I got the final torque box in, so that is all done now. I will plate the subframe connectors to make them similar to the US car tool ones, but I need to do some work on the floors first and I want to make sure I can get out what I need out.

Got some of my parts today (got to love Summit...). Got my windage tray and some of the parts for my external oil system for the Hemi.  :droolingbounce:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on June 02, 2019 - 08:18:01 pm
I've got severe hemi envy going here!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 02, 2019 - 11:02:11 pm
You know its funny, I never really had a desire to own or have a 426 Hemi (or any hemi for that matter until the GIII came out). Growing up being a Mopar guy back in the mid 70's, a "hemi" was a mythological thing as I never saw one until probably around 79 or 80 when a local guy build a 69 Cuda with a 426. Even then I thought it was cool but wasn't dying to have one, I guess because it didn't seem like something that was possible. Fast forward to today and I have all 3 generations of the Hemi (GI = 330 Desoto, ,GII = this 426 and 3 x GIII) and not really through any targeted or focused effort on my part, just kind of happened.

Its a bit of a learning curve to be certain, while there are a lot of similarities between the 426 and say a 440, they are obviously vastly different when it comes to the heads, valve train and motor mounts. The motor mounts specifically are a current focus, I could buy the Schumacher at around $250 but most places seem to be back ordered or I could pay $300 for Tin Man versions, but to be honest I am not real impressed with any of them. My current thought is to just make some, but we will see. This option is very attractive due to the tilt front end as it allows a lot of access. I don't have any intentions on buying $1000 TTI headers, rather I have a set of B body 426 headers that I intend on using and I am sure no one makes mounts for those.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 02, 2019 - 11:55:52 pm
Got a little work done today, managed to get all of the crap out of the trunk and began to remove the trunk floor. I took a little time to remove the paint and bondo from the right lower quarter as I suspected there was some rot under there and sure enough there is... I am going to have to order some lower quarters for it, but I figure this was the case.

I have  to decide how I am going to do the trunk floor, the replacement connects to the tail panel and I don't want to remove all of that, I am thinking of  going to the body line inside the trunk floor (where it angles up to where the trunk lock bracket its attached. It a pretty distinct line but I have to see if that line is good all the way across the trunk, there may be some issues on the left side, but we will see.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jhaag on June 03, 2019 - 12:19:00 am
Motor plates...solve a lot of issues and easy to do...not a stock build so why not? Just a thought..
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 03, 2019 - 12:32:34 am
I actually thought about that, but I dont have any experience with them and don't know much about them. Don't they go behind the water pump?
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 03, 2019 - 11:03:43 am
Been looking at and reading about motor plates, seems like all things cars there are a lot of opinions about using them ranging from "don't do it" to "they are awesome". It seems the 2 most controversial issues are;

1. Vibration issues
2. fore and aft engine movement

In relation to #1, the "anti" guys all proclaim that a motor plate passes all of the engine vibration into the car which over time will result in a cracked motor plate. I have read posts (in other forums) from people who say they have used motor plates for years without any issue. There is a 3rd opinion which suggests installing some type of dampening material between bracket and motor plate to reduce or eliminate this issue in street cars. Magnum Force has bushings in their plate (ears) to address this issue.

In relation to #2, many state that the engine will "flex" fore and aft (front and back) especially under hard acceleration. To combat this, some suggest fabricating or buying a rod to connect the plate or engine to the K frame to restrict this movement. As I think about this issue, it does make some sense as the plate controls up/down and side to side movement but would be weakest at the front/back plane. This seems easy enough to combat or address.

I like the concept of this option, I just need to make sure the "view is worth the drive" so to speak. A set of Schumacher mounts are $259 plus shipping however they seem to be back ordered in most places. A motor plate from AR Engineering is $175 however it does offer some challenges in alternator and power steering placement.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jhaag on June 03, 2019 - 11:07:45 pm
Depending on your fabrication skills, all you need is some aluminum plate, and make your own. As for front to rear movement, again a fabricated limiter solves this issue. Just like a torque strap , only mounted horizontally instead of vertically. You would get vibration transferred to the chassis. How much can you stand? What is the ultimate purpose of the car? Only you know these answers. Ran motor plates for years in various drag cars. No issues with flex, engine movement, or broken parts...again just another option
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 04, 2019 - 12:11:20 am
You make some good points. I am fully capable of making a plate but to be honest, its more beneficial just to buy one. It seems like the guys who have used them all state that vibration isnt an issue or concern whereas those who have not used them all remark that they produce too much vibration.

As to "how much I can stand", well thats kind of difficult to say; for me it would be more about parts breakage than feeling in the car. This definitely is not going to be a daily driver. The ultimate purpose of the car is pretty much a hot rod, show piece, project (like all of my old cars).

I am going to be running a Mopar Performance "purple" cam which is not a big lumpy cam at all, has a little bit of "lope" to it but about 1 step above the stock one. So, I don't think it is going to be jumping around.

So, do you attach the plate to the motor and install it with the engine or mount the plate and then attach the engine to it? Would seem that putting the plate onto the engine would be the way to go in order to get the gaskets positioned for the water pump.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 04, 2019 - 12:22:54 am
I received some more parts for the Hemi today, specifically I picked up my heads and received the external oil system and oil pan. I still need a rear main seal retainer, plug wires, head gaskets and some other small parts.

Got back to work on the trunk floor, its like archaeology... someone put sheet metal over the top of the rusty trunk floor (dick move) and was very liberal with the bondo trying to make the trunk floor look good. I am thinking the body guy was Leonardo Da Vinci as there was some very nice sculpting of bondo on the drivers side... Oh well, if it was easy everyone would do it...
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on June 04, 2019 - 11:56:55 am
Hahahaha! We used to call those guys, Michelangelo! When somebody'd ask "isn't that hard to do?" we'd just say, "nah, just cut off everything that doesn't look like a 1/4 panel". You've got this.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 04, 2019 - 12:16:35 pm
LOL... I am not too concerned about it, just metal...
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on June 04, 2019 - 04:06:11 pm
Mike,
Nice ride and agree with your plan.
My singular vote for motor mounts. Fabricate your own or purchase.
Motor plate can ease some things. However they can also open the can of worms for all accessory mountings. Yes behind water pump. Water pump then needs to be shortened to have belts still line up with crank pullys or then shim everything else out.  Then add in fabrication of limiting strap. Etc...
If you do go motor plate I would purchase one and modify as needed. From addition of bushings at the rails. I have also seen ones where people have enlarged the motor mounting holes and added some captured bushings to them.  Again more work above then just utilizing motor mounts. Header clearance between motor mounts would provide direction for motor plates.
Now on to color choice. Can you guess what mine would be?
This was at the Spring Fling last month or so. Absolutely flawless. I particularly appreciate all the manufactured pieces.
Oh and an all aluminum Keith Black Hemi...

Mike.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 04, 2019 - 10:42:23 pm
Mike - I deeply appreciate the comments and advice, I am thinking it all over, my main concern with purchased mounts is as you note, header clearance. I think I have a grasp on what effect using a plate would have and it doesn't bother me all that much. Making my own mounts is an option as well. The up side here is that I can remove the tilt front end and have full access to the engine compartment, so conceptually I could mock it up with the headers and then figure out what will work the best. If I go motor plate, I believe it will be one from AR Engineering as they are just down the road from me in OR.

That RR looks awesome and we are in agreement on how that color works with that body style. Man I would love to have the money to have an all aluminum KB hemi, thats got to cost some major $$

Mike
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on June 05, 2019 - 12:58:11 am
From a build perspective again. You have a tilt front end. The obvious expectation would be to see a motor plate. Perfectly at home.
Yea that car was stunning everywhere. It also had air ride. I have a few more pictures but even with just a screenshot off my phone they were too large to post. Got that one (3) sized but my attention span ended further attempts.

Good luck with it.
On a side note I am finally starting on my Falcon. Have a reason now to finish it. Brother who gifted it to me wants to buy it back done...lol.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 05, 2019 - 11:48:11 am
My thoughts exactly, open that tilt hood and I would expect to see a motor plate I think. I am researching the limiter rods currently and what that is about.

On the phone/picture issue; not sure what platform you are using but what I do with my iphone, is that I email the pictures from my phone to an email account I can access on my comp. When I do this, it asks me what size I want to use, I pick medium which always allows them to be up loaded here.

That car is definitely beautiful. I wonder if the owner built it or had it built.

Good news on the Falcon, I need to get someone to pay me to build a car for them...
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on June 05, 2019 - 12:11:38 pm
All done on my phone. S8. Yes, I will send email to myself and scale as that is sent. Problem is (probably a glitch) I can only do it once. With first I get option but then no longer an option. On the other site I do it all from laptop for organizing.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 05, 2019 - 12:20:03 pm
Thats a bummer, I can send probably 4-5 pictures per email which I drop into a folder and then pull them out of the folder to post online. This is the life we lead these days  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 06, 2019 - 07:41:23 pm
I haven't gotten back to the trunk floor but I have gotten the trunk lid repaired. As you can see in the pics, whoever tried last time failed miserably.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 06, 2019 - 07:43:06 pm
Some more pics. Certinaly not perfect, but with a little skim coat of bondo, some sanding it will look ok.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on June 06, 2019 - 10:40:38 pm
Looks good, nice work!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 06, 2019 - 10:51:44 pm
Thanks, I almost forgot how much fun welding rusty metal is...  :swear:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 08, 2019 - 12:26:04 am
Got some parts in and decided to mock up the oil system. This lead me to began to modify the oil pan for the pick up. At first I thought I would be slick and just punch a hole in the pan, well I discovered that since the bottom edges of the pan are rolled, that was not going to work, so we went to plan B which is to weld in a flat plate so the seals have something flat against to seal to.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 09, 2019 - 01:59:09 pm
Finally got the pan sorted out, didn't turn out as clean as I had hoped but it will work. I am still relatively inexperienced at TIG welding so it is a bit of a challenge but at least with TIG I know it is sealed.

I installed my rear main seal retainer in the block (hate those things), but while doing so I noticed a date and a name stamped into the left rear pan rail. I believe the date is when the short block was originally built and I am thinking the name is from someone who once owned the motor, most likely stamping it so that if it was at a machine shop they would be able to ID it.

I need a timing chain cover for this motor and I have what I thought was a 440 out of a motor home, well after tearing it apart I discovered that the motor is actually a 413 which they used up until 79 in motor homes (who knew..). The block would be a good donor for a stroker or something, I will hang onto it as garage art I guess (gives me a place to rest my unused 440 6 pack intake  :bigsmile: Interesting thing with the 413, there are no numbers stamped on it anywhere to indicate displacement. The front pad has what looks like a number 1 and perhaps a 0 stamped onto it but far apart. There not any numbers on the pan rail (where the partial VIN would normally be). The casting date is there (7-10-72), so this had to have been in a 1973 model motor home.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 12, 2019 - 12:03:28 am
Ive managed to get the vast majority of the trunk out finally, definitely was a PIA. After looking at the car closer, I discovered that there was some damage on the left quarter, it is right at the end of the quarter, looks like a shopping cart hit or something, but the last body guy decided to fill it with bondo rather than pull it out, so now there is something else to fix...

In the mean time I am trying to figure out what cam I have for the engine, I was told it was a hydraulic cam but now I am not too sure. Of course Mopar wasn't smart enough to put a part number on it so there isn't any way of knowing. I tried to measure it but that didn't come out. I am thinking of getting a tool to mock it up and check or I might Vee blocks to check it.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 73440 on June 12, 2019 - 04:22:26 am
I have one of those 413 motor home engines along with the 727 with emergency brake attached.
Not sure what to do with it also. Was thinking maybe into a bike frame .
Supposedly no good pistons are available .
Has the water pump connection to the heads for cooling .
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 12, 2019 - 10:46:11 am
Yep, that is the same motor. Mine is seized up a bit, well actually a lot. The motor was left outside without an AC and got a lot of water into it. Its not horrible but would definitely need a complete overhaul to include being bored out. I am tossing the heads and keeping the rest as parts, trading material, or perhaps a donor for something. I think the block would make a good donor for a stroker motor.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 18, 2019 - 12:17:39 pm
Not a lot has gotten done on the car lately, had company over until yesterday and I embarked on a new knife making project as a gift for a friend's daughters HS graduation.

I have been trying to determine what cam I have, its definitely a Mopar Performance Purple cam but which one it is seems to be illusive. I have measured the lobes and bases and made a cradle and used a digital dial indicator. The problem is that Mopar lists valve lift not cam lift so they are calculating valve lift using a rocker ratio. I am being told that the Hemi uses a rocker ratio of 1.5 to 1.56 which makes this a little more confusing. I will mock it up in the engine and check it there as well, but right now I am thinking it is a .572/.557 solid lifter cam.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 19, 2019 - 12:25:46 pm
Well I think I have got it figured out, I believe the cam is P4529344 which is .572/.557 (valve or gross lift) and a solid lifter cam. Next question is whether or not this is a good cam to use in this engine or not.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 22, 2019 - 12:43:41 pm
I've been working on trying to get the trunk floor back in, however after some careful examination I discovered that the sculptor... I mean body guy (who must have owned stock in a bondo company) got creative with the back of the package tray. The rear window must have been leaking for a long time because the entire back of the package tray  is rusted out. I thought about buying new replacement panels from AMD but given that I am working on a limited budget here and I have a full shop of tools, I decided to give it a shot at replacing the missing part. Because this area has turns and different contours, making it out of one piece was not an option (at least to me). Therefore I cam up with this solution which I think is going to work out well.

There are some other small areas along the trunk gutters as well, but I will get to them later.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: tony 73 on June 22, 2019 - 11:34:34 pm
Awesome project and you are the right man for the job :2thumbs:.

Like your thinking on doing the fabrication , well within your skill range.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 22, 2019 - 11:41:15 pm
Thank you sir.  :bigsmile:

Comes down to time v money, since I have more time than money this is the route. I kept thinking of what would have been done back in the day before they repopped the parts but realize that back then we would either find a donor car or would have made this a parts car.... LOL

It will work out one way or another, if this method fails for some reason, I can always default back to getting new parts.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 23, 2019 - 11:10:11 pm
The rust repair continues, I had forgotten how much I enjoy dealing with rusty metal (yes that is sarcasm). Got the back channel fabed up but not installed yet, had to fix an area around the bottom of where the back window trim sits (see pic). I cut along the top seam thinking I would just blend it in but then quickly remembered that if you are within an inch of the rust its going to such to weld to...  :swear: Kept blowing through or when grinding would then burn through because everything was thin. Finally got it sorted out. I have to deal with the left side of the package tray which has a couple of holes, problem is that they are hard to get to, but I am sure I will figure something out.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 26, 2019 - 10:59:23 pm
I finally got the package tray welded up, not real pretty but definitely solid.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on June 26, 2019 - 11:19:00 pm
Looks good! Suggestion? Make a one piece template that covers the bottom of the "U" and then just add whatever the required height is to the sides of your pattern. That way you can make the patch in one- or two or three- pieces and hammer the edges up where you want them. Being bigger pieces, they won't jump around as much and be such a PITA to hold. position and weld in. Either way you do it, you'll be ahead in the endless rust vs man battle!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 26, 2019 - 11:21:11 pm
ah..... its welded in now so... won't be any more templates...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 27, 2019 - 09:57:41 pm
Rust and structural repair continues..... had to weld in a few spots no the bottom of the window channel and then set about repairing the damage left by Bubba when he/she put in the rollcage. While working on that I noticed some spots along the edge of the C pillar that have holes  :swear: I am probably going to have to cut out that edge and remake it  :banghead:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on June 27, 2019 - 10:27:16 pm
LOL! Jesus, it never stops, does it?! Good thing you're stubborn, because some guys would roll their eyes and give up! Keep on keepin' on, you're getting there.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 27, 2019 - 11:43:11 pm
Exactly what I said when I saw it...  :swear: A smart guy would have bought quarters and started fresh, or better said a smart guy with some money... Ive done enough of these now where it is almost to be expected. Definitely don't like it but it is what it is.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: redo1973 on June 28, 2019 - 10:31:47 pm
Wow, this project landed in the right caring hands!  :bigsmile: Nice progress.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 28, 2019 - 11:06:47 pm
Thanks Carl, or perhaps I am the sucker who ended up with it... LOL Back in the day this was absolutely a parts car sitting in a field some place, thank god for all those investors who decided Mopars were like rare art and drove the prices through the atmosphere...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on June 28, 2019 - 11:53:44 pm
Wow that is a bunch to do. Looks like 
good progress.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on June 29, 2019 - 12:54:51 am
Yeah its coming along albeit slowly. If I had the money, I would have just bought new quarters, dutchman panel, and package tray, but I don't so here we are.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 05, 2019 - 12:04:35 am
Still chugging along on the car, took a day off to do some shooting. I managed to get the left side of the package tray back together. Not super pretty but it is solid and will work, now onto the right side. Adding the "pre" picture just for reference.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 07, 2019 - 06:01:20 pm
I was able to get the package tray reconstructed to a useful point. I am now working on the left C pillar and left rear window corner. I had ordered some corners from Rock Auto and they came in rather quickly, unfortunately they are the lower corners and not the outer corners (I believe the inner is there to support the outer. So, had to order the outers and now I wait... After this, it will be onto the trunk rail.... 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 08, 2019 - 10:53:46 pm
As I wait for the AMD sheet metal I thought I would mock the engine up and check a few things. The first thing I discovered was that the hole for the dipstick has been welded up when the engine was repaired after blowing up. So, I will have to come up with something going into the pan it looks like. On a brighter note, I installed the heads to see what the intake gap looks like and it appears that this is going to work (I was concerned because the heads have been cut). I attached the headers I have which are admittedly not all that good, but it shows me what clearance is going to look like and that isn't too great.

I have to say though, despite the issues, seeing it mocked up is quite a sight  :wow:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: tony 73 on July 10, 2019 - 07:08:15 am
Now thats an engine  :ylsuper:

looking forward to your answer to the dipstick problem.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 10, 2019 - 11:48:28 am
Yes it is.

The answer to the dipstick issue is actually pretty simple and was actually done by Mopar already (not on a Hemi); on BB truck motors, they used a rear sump which would not allow the use of the normal dipstick, so what Mopar did was put a brass fitting into the oil pan that allowed a tube to be screwed into it, this tube serves as the dipstick tube. In other words, the dipstick does not go into the pan itself, rather it just stays in the tube. This will also allow me to put the dipstick onto the passenger side because the drivers side is pretty congested with the oil pump and headers.

The motor mounts are going to be a challenge but we will see how it works out.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 17, 2019 - 12:27:10 pm
Have not got done much on the RR lately due to a number of things going on. I had to make some pallet forks for my wife's tractor (small Kubota) because I came into some forks for free from a neighbor. Had to redesign them several times to get them to work, but in the end I overcame.

I purchased a vertical band-saw, I've always wanted a good one (had a HF horizontal which I made into a vertical). Its Jet VBS-400, early 80's model. Its a 3 phase 230V machine which means it will cut through pretty much anything I will need to cut.

Bigger news, I am going to pick up a mill and a lathe on Saturday; pretty stoked about that. Nothing like new equipment  :bigsmile:

I took my 52 B3B out the other day and drove it around, ran really good (Fitech EFI is awesome), however the left front brake was hanging up and ended up smoking up pretty good, so I have to pull the wheel and check it it out.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 73440 on July 17, 2019 - 11:55:05 pm
That's going to be nice to get all that equipment !
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 18, 2019 - 12:43:57 am
Yeah I am really looking forward to it. Of course it is not all "milk and honey", I then need to power it all since it's all 3 phase 230V.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on July 31, 2019 - 10:05:30 am
its been a little while since I posted because I have been pretty swamped. Last week began by me going and picking up my mill and lathe, then last Monday I had to drive from here (WA) to ND to see my sister who is suffering from cancer and is in hospice. I returned Saturday evening (drove straight back, 1274 miles). I drove my 10 PCP Challenger RT 6spd which was a lot of fun and a nice ride, was running 110+ through Montana.

Sunday I unloaded the mill and lathe with some help of 2 friends and got them positioned, which was pretty straight forward overall. Last couple of days I have been trying to sort out my shop since I had to move everything to get the mill and lathe in. Yesterday was lawn day and I had to mow and trim the property (5 acres) which kicked my butt as it always does.

Today I am off to OR to get a Rotary Phase Converter (RPC) to power the mill, lathe and my vertical mill/drill. Additionally I am picking up a 13' sheet metal brake which is really too big but the price was right, perhaps I can sell it or trade it for something smaller.

Eventually this will slow down and I can get back to work on the RR. I am driving my 53 B3B more now as a parts truck (which is what I built it for). More to come to be sure.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 01, 2019 - 01:48:48 pm
Picked up my sheet metal brake yesterday, its a big beast...
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 73440 on August 01, 2019 - 02:03:05 pm
Was reading about those RPC , get a little costly for the bigger ones, also saw some homemade ones on youtube.

Gonna need a bigger shop, and a tip of the hat to Jaws.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 01, 2019 - 02:14:51 pm
I bought a 5HP RPC and it was $525, gets very expensive fast. 5HP will do everything I need.

Yeah shop space is always an issue. In my "working" shop which is a 40x60' with 4 bays, I am down to 2 1/2 available to park a vehicle in  :banghead: but it is what it is. I still have the other 40x60' shop where I store the ones I am not working on, so I can make it all work. Better to have the tools and equipment than not.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 27, 2019 - 10:58:08 am
Obviously its been a little while since I posted on this thread, mainly because I haven't done anything on the car. As of late, I have been focused on getting my new equipment installed, hooked up and working. Additionally I have been dabbling in some work type stuff (got to bring in some revenue to fund the projects). On the equipment front, here is where I am;

Mill - got a Series 1 Bridgeport with power feed and DRO. Upon arrival I had to remove the head and replace the drive and timing belt. I also had to spend some quality time cleaning years of old coolant, cutting oil, and general grime. I am in the process of repairing the power feed which had a fried circuit board. I got a Kurt mill vise with the machine which was horribly dirty, but it cleaned up nice and I repainted it.

Lathe - got a 1942 South Bend 16" x 7' turret lathe. This machine was in pretty good shape overall but insanely dirty. Initially I had an issue where the machine would not reverse, turned out that it was a bad electrical connection. currently I am in the process of installing a quick change tool post onto it. I spent a lot of time cleaning it and while it still isn't truly "clean" it is far better than it was.

Band saw - got a Jet VBS industrial band saw. Before I got it, it had sat in a green house for a number of years. Generally it was pretty clean and in good shape, however once I got it hooked up I discovered that the blade welder didn't work. It did work once but then died, not sure what is up there but since I don't expect to weld any blades any type soon, I will be fine. I ordered 2 new blades (10' 4" long) and it works pretty well.

Finger brake (aka box and pan brake) - I posted a picture of the huge brake I obtained, however it is in excellent condition. I have a friend that has a sheet metal business and he was hot on it, so I ended up selling it to buy a pile more equipment. I ended up buying a 48" finger brake to replace the monster.

22' HD press brake - bought a SWAG Off road press brake that will bend up to 5/8" thick (3" wide), will do 15" wide 1/4" plate.

English wheel - bought a HF English wheel, I've wanted one for a long time (not exactly sure why). This is the "new and improved" model but does not come with additional anvils. I had to buy the extra anvils from Northern tool.

As you can probably tell, I love tools. Now I need to get back to work on the car  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 73440 on August 28, 2019 - 10:22:21 pm
Some cool machines you are getting setup there .

Is something like this hammer on your list for the shop ?

Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 29, 2019 - 12:21:00 am
Some cool machines you are getting setup there .

Is something like this hammer on your list for the shop ?

LOL no but I wish I had one of those. My hammer is a much smaller plenishing hammer (HF model).
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 73440 on August 29, 2019 - 05:33:43 am
https://hackaday.com/2017/05/22/blacksmiths-junkyard-power-hammer-packs-a-punch/

 The videos are no longer available and I couldn't find any on YouTube where they show how to make a drop hammer using an engine block
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 29, 2019 - 01:07:44 pm
That is pretty awesome idea to be honest. I don't have room or really a need to have a power hammer at this time, but if I ever do decide to get one I think I will use a log splitter to build one.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: redo1973 on August 30, 2019 - 09:12:28 pm
How are you likely that English Wheel?  I too have always wanted one.  My new shop is underway and I need to get a brake and a bead tool as well  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 30, 2019 - 10:55:14 pm
Well, to be honest I have not really used it yet too much but I can see its value. This machine seems to be well built and well thought out. I believe this is a gen 2 model. Down side is that it doesn't come with any anvils but I did find some anvils from Northern Tool which I ordered. Time will tell how useful it will be.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: redo1973 on August 31, 2019 - 09:26:14 pm
My son and I are toying with a couple project ideas, rat rod or rock crawler.  Good platforms to practice metal work.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on August 31, 2019 - 11:47:06 pm
Oh yeah, I love building rat rods. Not super ratty, but basically an old vehicle built whatever way I think is appropriate.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on September 04, 2019 - 11:20:45 pm
I received a PM from CUDA8U; your inbox is full
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 'Cuda Hunter on September 27, 2019 - 11:25:26 pm
Did cuda8U buy the car? No more updates? 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on September 28, 2019 - 01:05:23 am
What car? He asked me about EFI, so I don't know anything about buying a car.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on October 02, 2019 - 08:09:46 pm
Cool shop you are building there.
I have been a plastic injection mold maker for 35+ years.
Tools are awsome still. Have a mill and lathe in my "shop".
Made my own brake that will bend 23" wide. Also reeeeealy want an English wheel also. Mostly to test what could be done. Might make one of those also.

Mike.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on October 03, 2019 - 04:37:19 am
Cool shop you are building there.
I have been a plastic injection mold maker for 35+ years.
Tools are awsome still. Have a mill and lathe in my "shop".
Made my own brake that will bend 23" wide. Also reeeeealy want an English wheel also. Mostly to test what could be done. Might make one of those also.

Mike.

Thats very cool. I bought that E wheel and have used it a few times already, pretty cool but you need all of the dies to really explore its capabilities. I am still sorting out my mill to a degree but am getting it done. Specifically I am waiting on the motor for my power feed to come back from being repaired.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on October 22, 2019 - 02:30:57 pm
If you ever need any help info just ask and I will provide.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on October 22, 2019 - 02:33:19 pm
Thanks, I will keep that in mind, I am quite a long way from SoCal though..  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on October 29, 2019 - 01:37:29 pm
Thanks, I will keep that in mind, I am quite a long way from SoCal though..  :bigsmile:
Lol yes a bit far.
There was more in my head than I posted...
I meant instructions on "how to" if you need to figure something out.

Mike.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on October 29, 2019 - 02:49:19 pm
LL I figured as much but could not resist. Thanks either way.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 05, 2019 - 11:51:35 am
Not much to report as I have not worked on the car for some time, life/work/family/weather has all conspired to keep me from it. I did however spend some money on parts, I ordered and received a flywheel and some new FW bolts. I plan to order the head gaskets soon, then I need a cam and push rods. My intention is to build a run stand and get it running that way before installing it. I need to get back to the body and get that sorted out so I can begin to move forward actually building the car.

I have been having a little fun playing/learning my mill and lathe, not sure what I will be milling or turning for the car but so far I have been doing a fair amount of gun work so it has been good.

Every winter I ***** and wish I had installed heat in my shop and every summer I forget about it... As you can imagine I am in the complaining stage as the temps in western WA have fallen, I do have a space heater which works, just have to keep putting diesel into it and it is loud. Stay warm out there.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: jimynick on November 05, 2019 - 09:47:34 pm
Welcome to my world! Ka-ka happens, eh? What kind of gun work are you doing Mike, if you don't mind me asking?
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 05, 2019 - 09:53:40 pm
Actually I am working on several: I just built a .223 bolt gun using a Remington 700 SA receiver and a barrel I had as well as some other parts/pieces I had laying around. I am also making a 1903A4, I also have a Enfield No. 4 I am building, a SVT40 and a Isaphore 2A. My "day job" for a long time had to do with firearms and I still dabble in them.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: YellowThumper on November 13, 2019 - 04:24:12 pm
Simplest mill start would be flat brackets. Add some slots and holes for mounting. Or slots for lightening weight.
Custom role bar gussets are easy.
Make your own motor plate. And /or modify one for accessories.
I believe on my thread I detailed many items for ps bracket.
Milled flat plates and turned round standoffs.
Brackets you will have a million of them.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 13, 2019 - 05:14:10 pm
I agree, I have already been milling a number of things as well as turning some things on the lathe. I have no doubt the mill and lathe are going to be extremely beneficial.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 15, 2019 - 07:44:14 pm
Finally got back to this project and picked right back up where I left off. For anyone coming in late, I am attempting to cut out and repair all of the ugly. The window channel in the rear had some issues that I needed to address and am doing so now. the drivers side was/is the worst so I decided to attack that one first. It took me a long time to get this done, lots of filing, measuring, etc. I now have to get this welded in and then move over to the other side.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 17, 2019 - 10:50:43 pm
Well, I was able to get a little work done on the car, got the left side sail panel welded up. I was thinking I would try using TIG for the body panel stuff but to be honest, it is just too slow. I do use TIG for a lot of stuff but I have come to the conclusion that MIG is the way to fly for at least what I am doing. Perhaps if I was working on all new sheet metal it would be a different story but for now I am sticking to MIG.

I am going to pick up a 426 mock up engine tomorrow, we will see how this goes. I would not say the deal is "sketchy" but it isn't all that straight forward either; people are such poor communicators especially young ones. I report back what happens, but if it works out it will be a very good thing.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 18, 2019 - 08:39:31 pm
Today was a success, I was able to secure the mock up block despite the 3 hours on the round. I discovered that the block was used to mock up a very custom 41 Plymouth being built; the car is super nice, exceptionally well engineered and assembled and sports an all aluminum 572. The builder told me that the owner has $500K into it already and it still doesn't have an interior, estimates the bill will be over $600K by the time its done. Awesome car for sure and I wish I could have gotten some pics but he didn't want me to take any.

So, now I have the mock up block, time to get moving...
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 'Cuda Hunter on November 20, 2019 - 11:24:26 am
Glad it worked out. 
Back to working on the ride! 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 20, 2019 - 08:52:10 pm
Still slaving away on the car, I had to order some AMD upper trunk gutters, mine are not super bad but it will be much easier to just use the replacement pieces.

I decided to remove the tilt front end to gain access to the front end so that I could mock up the engine/trans and make some motor mounts. I was pretty happy that it wasn't welded up as I was thinking it might be, there were really only a couple of spot weld. I am going to replace the down tubes and add some more tube to strength up the front end, plus I am going to increase the tube size from the 1.5" it is now to 1.75".

Put the mock up in the engine bay, tried to position it near where it will live. I am going to cut of the stock motor mounts and make something new because there really is not a good way to use them.

I do need to get a new steering box, I am looking at some of the smaller boxes. Since I have a manual box now, I would have to source a core and then have it rebuilt. I did look at some of the parts stores and online sources and stock one are available but I would rather get something that steers a little better than stock, plus I would like something smaller, I need all the room I can get.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 22, 2019 - 01:15:07 pm
So I have decided to go with a coil over conversion for the front suspension. I talked to Denny at HDK (does A body stuff primarily) and he explained how he does it, some of the issues and limitations. I am going to have to fabricate a different upper shock mounting point if I am going to use the stock LCAs because the nature of their design does not permit a shock with any length. My other option is to get tubular LCAs which I could do as well (or do both). I am still looking at options to see what best suits my intent. I am looking at something like this;
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Road Runner Street Monster build
Post by: 70chall440 on November 22, 2019 - 03:45:19 pm
Well I have decided that I am going to go coil over up front for sure, going to use some tubular LCAs and go from there. I just got 3 sticks of 1.75 DOM to redo the front end; going to be "beefy".