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Title: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 10, 2017 - 07:50:36 pm
Hi all, I've got the itch to do another build.  I just finished my 1973 Cuda - restoration thread here:  http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=96878.0 (http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=96878.0)

I'd like your CANDID feedback on what the asking price for my car would be.  Thanks for your quick response.



More about the car:

Sassy Grass paint color (Nason Ful-Thane 2K Urethane Topcoat)
440 Billboards (Phoenix Graphix)
Go Wing
AMD windshield and rear glass
Rallye gauge cluster conversion; fully restored with modern internals by autoinstruments.com
US Car Tool e-body chassis stiffening kit
AMD replacement sheet metal
Upholstery by Legendary Auto Interiors, LTD.

440 block, bored .030 over, stroked to 505
440source stroker complete kit (4.250" stroke/7.100" rod, forged crankshaft and pistons)
Trickflow PowerPort 240 CNC ported heads
Harland Sharp Heavy-Duty Roller Rockers (S70015KE)
Holley Street Dominator Intake
Proform Racing Series 850 CFM carburetor
Lunati Voodoo Cam and Lifters (10230704LK - Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 234/242, Gross Lift (Int/Exh): .513/.533, LSA/ICL: 110/106)
Smith Bros push rods
ARP hardware throughout
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
3" TTI exhaust system headers (2" primaries) to stainless steel tips, X pipe
Tremec TKO600, American Powertrain Profit e-body kit & hydraulic clutch, driveshaft
Science Friction Billet Steel Flywheel, Street Slayer Ceramix Clutch
8 3/4 rear-end, Eaton Tru-trac posi, 3.55 gears (Dr. Diff)
Gas and break lines by Inline Tube


BS23: Plymouth Barracuda / Special, 'Cuda / 2 Door Hardtop
G3B: 318 150HP(net) or 170HP(net) 1-2BBL 8 CYL
1973
Dodge Main, Hamtramck, MI, USA
480374:   Sequence number
E44:    318 cid 2 barrel V8 230hp
D34:    Light Duty Automatic Transmission
TB3:    Basin Street Blue Exterior Color
A6X9:    Trim - Basic, Vinyl Bucket Seats, Black
000:    Full Door Panels
511:    Build Date: May 11
B77657:   Order number
TB3:    Basin Street Blue Top Color
C:    Canada Specifications
B41:    Front Disc Brakes w/Standard 10in RR Drum
C16:    Console w/Woodgrain Panel
C56:    Bucket Seats
G37:    OS Dual Racing Mirrors
J54:    Sport Hood
M21:    Roof drip rail moldings
M25:    Wide sill moldings
M31:    Belt Moldings
M88:    Decklid Moldings Treatment
R11:    Radio Solid State AM (2 Watts)
V6X:    Longitudinal Stripes, Black
EN2:    End of Sales Codes
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 4Cruizn on July 11, 2017 - 12:33:56 am
I'll take a shot at it and say 28k .  .  .
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 11, 2017 - 08:09:32 am
I'll take a shot at it and say 28k .  .  .


Thanks.  Anybody else?


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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 73cudabr on July 11, 2017 - 10:05:55 am
I don't know crap about trying to price a car. It may show in my response. 25K for yours with a built engine and new paint seems low (I wish I saw one in your condition for that price when I was looking). You have a Cuda which is already desirable. Granted its not numbers matching and all that crap, but it's still in good shape with a 600HP built stroker. Assuming you have receipts, and they're not worried about the craftsmanship of the engine, then I'd start it higher. 37K. Maybe settle at 34K? Most tired 440 engines stuffed into a 73 are going for 18K from what I see online. And they're far from the condition of yours. Somebody will come along that will pay for the convenience. In the meantime you enjoy it until that person comes along, or you decide you just want it gone.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: EMCD on July 11, 2017 - 10:45:44 am
I'd say closer to $35k. it's a beauty.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 4Cruizn on July 11, 2017 - 11:05:31 am
The reason I said 28K is because it is not the factory color, not numbers matching and not a 4 speed.  I think if it was numbers matching, then sure . . . it may sell over 30K.   :2cents:

Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 73cudabr on July 11, 2017 - 02:26:51 pm
The reason I said 28K is because it is not the factory color, not numbers matching and not a 4 speed.  I think if it was numbers matching, then sure . . . it may sell over 30K.   :2cents:

you make good points. I'd say thats a fair price. I'd still hold out for the excited buyer who gets intoxicated with the HP of that stroker. Nothing like hearing that thing rumble through a 3 inch exhaust and being able to hang with most of the newer mills out there in a classic package with good paint for 28-35K. Somebody will make an impulse buy. I know that if I ever sold mine I would never get the money out of it. It's the same thing. 73 Cuda/340 car originally. Nothing is matching anymore to the fender tag. 505 stroker, and starting to put in all new suspension. I paid 18K for it with a tired 440. Id want to drive the crap out of it first before I let it go for 28K. Maybe I was an impulse buyer to spend 18K on mine haha. (I know I was, fell in love with the stance seeing that thing come down the road).
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 11, 2017 - 05:00:58 pm
Thanks everyone, great input!  If anyone else reading has some thoughts please let me know. Thanks in advance!


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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: Bullitt- on July 11, 2017 - 08:19:29 pm
Not that this one falls into the category of "pro touring" and in the world of Mopar maybe even numbers matching is a bigger deal even for a 72-4 but I've been seeing well done cars of this ilk commanding more dollars than many of their restored counterparts..
I'm trying real hard to remember exactly the year a very well done 'Cuda it was that had a stroked big block & hung on updated suspension/brakes that pushed 80K a while back


Wasn't hard to find https://www.mecum.com/lots/PJ0617-302463/1970-plymouth-cuda/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/PJ0617-302463/1970-plymouth-cuda/)
Lot S150.1
1970 Plymouth Cuda
383 CI, Automatic
Sold for $78,000

Compare to this well done AAR  https://www.mecum.com/lots/PJ0617-288209/1970-plymouth-aar-cuda/ (https://www.mecum.com/lots/PJ0617-288209/1970-plymouth-aar-cuda/)
Lot S97
1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda
340 Six Barrel, 4-Speed
Sold for $81,000

Your car appears much nicer than the typical resto and it's obvious you've gone to great pains to produce a better than average combo.
I'm thinking I'd hold out for at least upwards of 40K, you'll never get it if you don't ask it as they say.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: Troy on July 11, 2017 - 09:30:34 pm
To be honest (and maybe I don't follow values as closely as others), I don't know that numbers matching really has as much of an impact on the 72-74 cars. They are my preferred years as I love the round taillights! I also like the grill. Hate the stock bumpers (73-74). I mean really, does anyone much care about the originality or "correctness" of a low compression small block? Certainly not as many as care about an earlier big block! The prices of restored cars should make that clear. So, if you want a super fun toy... why not start with something that isn't going to break the bank before you even get started? This is a perfect platform! You have to be careful because it is really easy to dump a bunch more money into them that they are worth! For example, I've seen Hemi swaps that baffle me.

I like this car. I think the fact that it's all fresh, doesn't have an abundance of personal touches, and doesn't have a hodgepodge of racecar wannabe chrome parts will really help it sell. It's also a stout big block with a overdrive manual transmission wrapped in a Cuda body. There isn't much not to like! I am not a giant fan of the black scoops but that's a much easier fix than say, wheel tubs, a blower, or a one-off custom interior. Sometimes painted bumpers look "cheap" but I don't get that feeling here. Maybe it's the quality of the surrounding components. It's "plausibly stock". This is the type of car that is ripe for getting snapped up by an overseas buyer who cares more about cool than documentation. I mean, people in the US like them too but they don't throw around cash the same way.

I would hope you'd get at least $30k. I'm seeing "driver" quality small block cars advertised for close to that these days. I think more like $40k if you can find a buyer who also likes big blocks with round taillights. I know it would be tough for most people to build one for that amount. Much higher and you get into the range of more desirable cars. Not to say someone wouldn't get all drunk and go nuts over it at a big auction. There's no guarantee though.

Also, you incorrectly used "break lines" in your book.

This makes me miss my 73 and what could have been...

Troy
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: AARuFAST on July 11, 2017 - 11:38:35 pm
Looks like new rubber.
Any pictures of engine compartment & interior?
Spare tire, jack, radio,
I like these items to be in vehicle. 
also the battery and cables to be new...
I have seen on cars-on-line 440-6 pack cuda's with walmart batteries and battery cables with beat up after marker clamps. ANd they want big bucks.

Forking out big bucks and then having to purchase those items is BS.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: djw383 on July 12, 2017 - 10:48:25 am
Sweet ride!! I like both the numbers matching trailer queens for their historical value, but nothing better than to see a mopar in motion. Hang tight and you will find the person that desires all the upgrades so they can drive the car better than back in the day. I would considered it, just don't have the space or the extra cash now....

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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 1BADFISH™ on July 17, 2017 - 11:19:37 pm
Sent you an email.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: djais1801 on July 19, 2017 - 10:46:53 pm
I sold my H-code 340 Cuda 4spd... color change from rallye red to black...no FT or BS. It was rotisserie restored, and sold it for just under 30k 2yrs ago. Big mistake... not being a 4spd is gonna hurt value IMHO. I'd say 28-30k. I'd say 32-36 if it had a 4spd
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 4406v on July 20, 2017 - 07:42:01 am
Am I wrong or is a Tremec TKO 600 a 5-speed??? All of what I'm reading that was done to the car sounds "right" to me.

I have been looking for a car like this and if the money is "right" would park it in my garage!!!

P.M. me to discuss
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 22, 2017 - 03:24:17 pm
"numbers matching" and "original color (or a color offered that year" matter only to purists, enthusiasts want an attractive well built car that is reliable (read not a maintenance nightmare due to poor engineering or construction or inferior parts).

Id start at $35- 40K and entertain offers. A lot worse cars have sold for a lot more money as we all know. $30K is an honest price for a solid car, however what is in the car to the right person makes it worth more and having $10K worth of negotiating room is a good thing.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: PLUM72 on July 27, 2017 - 03:16:35 pm
Look at the Hagerty valuation guide.  This is a pretty good guide with most restored cars falling in the "good" to "excellent" category.

We all love our cars and the personal choices many of us have made to them.  Doesn't matter how nice the car, someone will have a criticism about it and use it to negotiate with.  I find that most people are way over-priced on these cars.  People are asking #1 Concours prices for a car that might be a number #3 good car at best.  If you pay the high end price, just be sure you can insure the car for that amount.  This is another reason hagerty is a pretty good valuation guide.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 27, 2017 - 04:04:45 pm
Look at the Hagerty valuation guide.  This is a pretty good guide with most restored cars falling in the "good" to "excellent" category.

We all love our cars and the personal choices many of us have made to them.  Doesn't matter how nice the car, someone will have a criticism about it and use it to negotiate with.  I find that most people are way over-priced on these cars.  People are asking #1 Concours prices for a car that might be a number #3 good car at best.  If you pay the high end price, just be sure you can insure the car for that amount.  This is another reason hagerty is a pretty good valuation guide.

I would tend to agree, the hard parts of this endeavor are what's in the car (other than factory or factory restored) and the emotional aspect. The last issue is the one that is very hard to put a price on, whether it is the buyer or the seller. I absolutely agree that many of these cars are WAY over priced especially those that still need to be built. Cars that are done are a little easier as you can point to similar vehicles to determine a bracket, but cars that still need to be built are much harder as many potential buyers do not have a good idea of what it will take and only see what they want it to be. I just looked a Challenger shell the seller wanted $12K for citing what it could become as the reason but not understanding or caring that it would take many thousands to get there or even close.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: PLUM72 on July 28, 2017 - 01:42:14 pm
A lot of people try to get money out of a car comparable to what they have into it.  On the surface this sounds reasonable.  The thing most people don't understand is that unless you have a high value Hemi or 440-6 car, the restoration will cost more than the car is worth.

On a project car or most cars for that matter, in my opinion, the labor whether its yours or someone else's is worth nothing.  The parts put in are only worth a small percentage of what was paid.  While the seller might not like this, the buyer may not like what was purchased and wind up going another direction.  Its a roll of the dice if you find a buyer that appreciates what you've done, what you've bought, and is willing to pay up for it.

Title: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 28, 2017 - 04:24:06 pm
Car just sold for 52k USD, picked up today.  Right time, right car, right buyer.  Very happy with the sale price but will miss the car.

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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: EMCD on July 28, 2017 - 05:02:21 pm
Dude, that is awesome. I'm glad you got north of $50k. Can you tell me how you found your buyer? Was it local, or did they find it via a website? I'm trying to sell mine and want the best meathod on selling.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 28, 2017 - 05:31:01 pm
Dude, that is awesome. I'm glad you got north of $50k. Can you tell me how you found your buyer? Was it local, or did they find it via a website? I'm trying to sell mine and want the best meathod on selling.

I didn't have the car for sale, that's the first advantage.  A couple saw it a car show and wanted it, most importantly the wife wanted it.  Bottom line - got lucky with the right buyer and right time, right car.


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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: Bullitt- on July 28, 2017 - 05:49:44 pm
 :woo:    :cheers:    :2thumbs:   shows how little we know.... Congrats Man  :ylsuper:
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: Katfish on July 28, 2017 - 08:38:27 pm
That's awesome, glad it worked out.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: AARCuda340+6 on July 29, 2017 - 01:23:45 am

You got a great price and I'm sure the new owners will enjoy their new toy.  I expect you'll be a bit sad too because you put a lot of sweat & tears into that car.

I checked into your build of the car a number of times and was amazed at the quality work and top of the line parts used.  I never made any posts to comment on your build ( I apologize for that poor judgement ) but I was hoping to see it some day at one of the local car shows in London or surrounding area, but you moved out east.

I'm sure your next project will be even more spectacular because you have more knowledge now from the Cuda build.
Thanks for sharing and all the best in your new venture.
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 4Cruizn on July 30, 2017 - 10:35:01 am
Car just sold for 52k USD, picked up today.  Right time, right car, right buyer.  Very happy with the sale price but will miss the car.


Holy crap!  Shows what I know!    :screwy:  making me rethink prices now!   :eek4:
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 30, 2017 - 10:37:00 am
Holy crap!  Shows what I know!    :screwy:  making me rethink prices now!   :eek4:

Special circumstances I think here, but not complaining!


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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 30, 2017 - 10:39:31 am
You got a great price and I'm sure the new owners will enjoy their new toy.  I expect you'll be a bit sad too because you put a lot of sweat & tears into that car.

I checked into your build of the car a number of times and was amazed at the quality work and top of the line parts used.  I never made any posts to comment on your build ( I apologize for that poor judgement ) but I was hoping to see it some day at one of the local car shows in London or surrounding area, but you moved out east.

I'm sure your next project will be even more spectacular because you have more knowledge now from the Cuda build.
Thanks for sharing and all the best in your new venture.


Sorry we didn't get a chance to meet.  Thanks for your kind words. It's been two days since it was picked up and the garage sure feels empty.  I'm spending all my time searching craigslist and beyond for the next project...


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Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 31, 2017 - 11:33:16 pm
Car just sold for 52k USD, picked up today.  Right time, right car, right buyer.  Very happy with the sale price but will miss the car.

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Congrats!!
Title: Re: Help - asking price for my Cuda
Post by: chargerdon on August 19, 2017 - 10:01:41 pm
Wow...great car, wonderful price, and wonderful inspiration!!!!   

I agreed with a lot of the commentary, but, not all of it.   I loved the guy who talked about Walmart battery.   Guess what?  I put a walmart 700 CCA battery in mine two years ago, and its still going strong and turns over the engine just great.   At $89 it came with a two year replacement warranty plus 60 month pro-rated, while the $134 700 CCA battery sold at Advance Auto came with a 1 year warranty and 24 month prorated !!    Some purists are just ...well..in my opinion ...a little anal.   

In my case i bought a "PROJECT" 74 Challenger with 904 auto for $5,000.   The owner had started a restoration.  He found and bought a performance shop built 360 off of craigslist, (it came with the invoice of $3900 and parts list from the performance shop.  Talked with the shop and they figured at least 400 crank HP...   Not a beast but a great street engine. ).   He also had the interior seats reupholstered with Legendary Interiors new all white seat covers and foams.   He also put in, a full new exhaust 2 1/2" with Flowmaster 40 (original) mufflers, and a set of patriot headers.  Then he lost his job,  and wife made him sell...  so i found in my belief a real bargain.   He figured he had about $11-12K out of his pocket.   I got it for $5K.  His loss my gain.

I put into the car about $7,000 worth of parts for new Walmart battery (lol),  new Champion 26" aluminum radiator, new front windshield and Used rear window (professionally installed), new engine mounts from Mancini racing to hold that engine, new exterior door handles and new interior door and window handles, new window fuzzies, door weatherstripping, window weatherstripping, New front bumper, used console, $1400 for vintage air system (factory air long gone sold old factory box for $250).  New gas tank, and sending unit.  New dash cap, better set of good driver quality door panels, New carpeting, and new headliner.   A cheap am/fm stereo with CD and aux inputs, plus speakers...   couldn't see paying for good stereo as, the car has in it the flowmaster 40's so kinda loud to be listening to much music.  New 235x60x14 tires as my wife liked the mag wheels it came with where were 14", for spare tire went to salvage yard and picked up a like new 15" donut that fits, along with a scissors jack and handle...  they fit in a nice leather bag i picked up.   Lots of miscellaneous other parts...like, bought a new design fuse box and wired it in to the harness to replace that 43 year old rusted fuse box.   New radiator and power steering belts, and new heater hoses...   new voltage regulator...etc.   New brake pads, and front hoses..

Then I put about 500 hours of my labor into restoring it and installing everything !!...  put whatever value on that that you may...   I figure about $20 hr patching the rust on rear quarter panels, and around rear window it was rust free from doors forward.  I also then overhauled the 904 with new torque converter (2500 stall), and new seals and clutches.  Then stripped down the entire body (chemical paint remover), and put on the Epoxy primer, and 2k primers, and blocked it twice.   I figure that if i had to pay a restoration shop for all of this the, car would quickly cost more than it is worth.   so  500 x $20 =$10,000.  Oh I also "grafted" from a 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee the power seat track...so i now have a power seat...   that was a lot of work !! 

Lastly, I paid $2500 to a professional painter to do the Final blocking, shooting of Plum crazy urethane and clear paint).   It came out great...   

So, adding it all up
$5K for car/engine +$7k parts + $2.5 K to painter = $14,500 total money investment plus 500 hours $10,000 of my labor i've got about $25,000 invested in her.   

Still could use a new rear bumper (their hard to find for a 74, and 70-73 will fit, but only if you buy the matching bumper support brackets).   Also, it needs some kind of striping on it...haven't decided yet what to put on.   Also still needed is to swap out the rear differential.   Right now it has the original factory 2.73 open diff, that does nothing for the built 360 (it has in it a Mopar Performance 508 292 duration cam).   I bought a used 3.23 suregrip, and debating whether to change the ring/pinion to 3.55 before installing.   I also bought (its in the $7k parts) a used A518 overdrive auto...  but, its a lot of work to put in, and i should rebuild it before putting it in.   If I do would probably change the rear diff ring/pinion to about a 3.71...   so holding up on both while i think about it.    Also, haven't installed the rocker panel trim, and don't have wheel well trim. 

At this point, i think the car is worth in the $25-35K range...   It isn't for sale anyways as i'm now enjoying it...  Now if someone offered me $52K i could reluctantly change my mind, but doubt it that will happen..