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Title: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 11:09:24 AM
Well tim at forhemisonly took my 572 apart and it is pretty much garbage!!! I will forward his findings and some photos. it's unbelievable someone would knowingly do something like this. Here is his comments.


Hi Bruce, sorry to ruin your vacation. Not positive, but guessing the hard cranking is lifter related, as all of them are collapsed, which makes the cam timing really short. Builds a ton of cylinder pressure. That is the least of your problems however. Not completely through this thing yet, but this engine was not going to survive very long. The quality of parts is atrocious, but check out the pictures. If you recall, I asked how could the connecting rods clear the oil pickup with this long a stroke without major mods to the pickup. Answer. Grind the connecting rod and bolt down to the point of guaranteed failure for clearance. In all the years in business, I have never seen a butcher job like this. The whole rotating assembly is out dated. As I stated, Chrysler uses parts on the shelf, rarely the correct parts. This thing is still using stock Hemi rod journals and short rods, the exact opposite of what you want. The lower cylinder bores were never correctly prepped. Sharp edges, and with pistons hanging out the bottom of the bores at BDC, it causes the skirts to be “shaved”. Deep gouges on all skirts. Combination of long stroke, short rod, too much skirt exposed at BDC, and poor cylinder prep. Rod bearings are hanging up on the crank journal fillets as well. Have not got the crank out to see the mains, but quite a bit of end play. Cam bearings look like they were initially too tight. We will have to completely redesign this thing, or it may be advantageous to get warranty. I was expecting problems, but this is beyond compare. Would love to know what shop would build something like this in good conscience. Tim@FHO


 



Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: turbostang7 on November 30, 2016 - 11:17:01 AM
I would also like to know what shop so there isn't a chance I may send something there.

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Markp on November 30, 2016 - 11:21:23 AM
I would also like to know what shop so there isn't a chance I may send something there.


Same here
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 11:35:30 AM
Here is some pics, I am so mad i could punch babies right now.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anlauto on November 30, 2016 - 11:37:57 AM
Please don't say Indy Cylinder Head :faint:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Oldschool on November 30, 2016 - 11:39:33 AM
 :22yikes:

Who is the culprit in this mess? Lots of HEMI folks here and we need to know who to stay away from. Thanks in advance...
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 11:40:49 AM
Hopefully I can find out and let all you guys know, I have the invoice so that should help. I will defiantly keep you guys informed.

bruce  :villagers: :hyper: :swear:  :swear: :swear:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anlauto on November 30, 2016 - 11:42:54 AM
At least it's in good hands now :worshippy
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 11:45:02 AM
I for sure want to be 100% correct so ill wait to see what I find out first, I just cant imagine sending something like that out, I could live with an unforeseen issue but this is the complete opposite.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 11:50:22 AM
At least it's in good hands now :worshippy

Yes it sure is Alan, Tim cant believe it. im so glad it didn't fire up !!. not sure if ill get any help from the builder or Ma Mopar but if not ill take to social media and do everything humanly possible to call them out on it. In todays age its not that hard.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: rUNCHARGER on November 30, 2016 - 12:03:21 PM
Wow! Some interesting, never seen before techniques there. Good thing it didn't start. You're looking at a new rotating assembly, cam and lifters at the least. Did Tim comment on the cylinder head prep? It'll be a work of art when he finishes with it.

Sheldon
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: brads70 on November 30, 2016 - 12:26:18 PM
Wow!  :eek2:  so sorry to see this. That's simply unbelievable!  :o  No excuses on that mess!  :villagers:

Curious also as to who made that mess..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 4Cruizn on November 30, 2016 - 12:26:25 PM
That is completely unbelievable!   :eek4:   :screwy:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 12:30:04 PM
Wow! Some interesting, never seen before techniques there. Good thing it didn't start. You're looking at a new rotating assembly, cam and lifters at the least. Did Tim comment on the cylinder head prep? It'll be a work of art when he finishes with it.

Sheldon

You can say that again. He hasn't been through it all yet so looking at what he found so far im expecting the worst, Yes it will be the best it can be for sure but its hard to just swallow the mess its in with the money I paid for it.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 12:40:01 PM
Thanks guys,

I consider all you guys on here close friends that have help me with so many decisions while building my cars. I for sure would not like to see anyone end up in the mess im in now so I will be keeping you all updated.

Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: RzeroB on November 30, 2016 - 01:03:41 PM
Wow! :eek4: I feel for you! I don't know if I could punch a baby, but I'd be hoping mad myself! :stomp:
Was this a Mopar Performance crate motor that was sold by a factory authorized vendor, or was it built by a third party builder?
Simply unbelievable.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 70cudaFun on November 30, 2016 - 02:46:27 PM
Man this really stinks.  I'm so sorry to hear about this crappy scenario.  I hope it works out for you and there is some justice done.  I'm actually looking for a crate motor and am considering factory direct or third party.  This is going to make me wonder a lot about what is being done internally for engine builds.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 03:17:43 PM
Man this really stinks.  I'm so sorry to hear about this crappy scenario.  I hope it works out for you and there is some justice done.  I'm actually looking for a crate motor and am considering factory direct or third party.  This is going to make me wonder a lot about what is being done internally for engine builds.

Thanks, if you go with a hemi that look no further than Tim at forhemisonly.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: CUDA JAS on November 30, 2016 - 03:59:30 PM
Wow that is some crazy stuff!

 :22yikes:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 04:09:58 PM
Wow that is some crazy stuff!

 :22yikes:

Yeah I cant stop looking at the pics, im pretty pissed off for sure I am hoping I can get some help from the builder or mopar I really cant believe a shop would do this to someone. I am not rich by any means and like you guys work very hard and long hours for my paycheck that's why its been 11 years in the making and to get this punch in the gut so close to the finish really feels like its hopeless. :1zhelp:

I have been a Mopar guy from birth live and breath them, got in fights over it, Ran mopar stock cars (the only one around our area), ran 440s in lobster boats( for sure the only one in any harbour) had multiple E/B/A bodies loved them all. I know this is just a crappy builder but they sell them through MOPAR who I held on a pedestal my whole life. :walkaway:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 7212Mopar on November 30, 2016 - 04:28:23 PM
So sorry to see this Bruce. This is unbelievable and I will want 100% cash back from whoever sold that piece of art. I recall commenting how nice it looks when going through your build thread. Hope you get it sort out quick.

My SB is currently being build by a reputable builder and seeing this kind of stuff really adds anxiety to anyone having engine put together.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: rUNCHARGER on November 30, 2016 - 04:50:25 PM
This doesn't really make any sense. I haven't heard of anyone building a short rod, Large rod journal 572. I could see some backyard shop doing it but not one that Mopar contracted the build to. Our old Mopar RIP, I have no allegiance to Fiat but I know I still have to tell myself it isn't the same company.

Sheldon
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 04:51:00 PM
So sorry to see this Bruce. This is unbelievable and I will want 100% cash back from whoever sold that piece of art. I recall commenting how nice it looks when going through your build thread. Hope you get it sort out quick.

My SB is currently being build by a reputable builder and seeing this kind of stuff really adds anxiety to anyone having engine put together.

Hey thanks a lot,

Yeah well we will see where it goes. and yes an eye opening experience for sure, sounds like you went with a good and honest builder so I would not worry to much. like I said I could live with an unforeseen issue or a mistake even, but this was a blatant disregard for the people who would spend good money for it. I mean who ever put it together knew enough to do so and knew it would grenade. I don't get it.

Thanks again,

Bruce.

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: marc70challenger on November 30, 2016 - 04:55:24 PM
Wow. Interested to hear who. And what is offered to remedy this BS
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: blown motor on November 30, 2016 - 05:30:01 PM
Whoa!! You almost have to believe it was done intentionally. It goes way beyond a little oops. Make's you wonder if the builder had some kind of axe to grind.
Good luck getting this mess straightened out.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 05:32:05 PM
Wow. Interested to hear who. And what is offered to remedy this BS

Hey Marc70challenger,

Well I contacted who I bought it from to see if they could find out who did build it

And before I go any further It is 1000% nothing to do with who I bought through, they are very good friends and the best of the best as far as I am concerned and I am sure they feel bad and also betrayed as I know for sure they do not want to sell junk like that, I just picked the part number I wanted and they ordered it up.

I mean it must have been built by a fairly large well known shop, I would not think mopar would just get anyone to build them although joe blow rod shop probably would have done better lol .

Thanks for letting me rant over this,

bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on November 30, 2016 - 05:37:09 PM
Whoa!! You almost have to believe it was done intentionally. It goes way beyond a little oops. Make's you wonder if the builder had some kind of axe to grind.
Good luck getting this mess straightened out.

Thanks, yeah I feel like taking an axe to whoever put it together.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Racer57 on November 30, 2016 - 11:09:55 PM
Hey Marc70challenger,

Well I contacted who I bought it from to see if they could find out who did build it

And before I go any further It is 1000% nothing to do with who I bought through, they are very good friends and the best of the best as far as I am concerned and I am sure they feel bad and also betrayed as I know for sure they do not want to sell junk like that, I just picked the part number I wanted and they ordered it up.

I mean it must have been built by a fairly large well known shop, I would not think mopar would just get anyone to build them although joe blow rod shop probably would have done better lol .

Thanks for letting me rant over this,

bruce
Whats the chances of someone else ordering an engine from your suppler and getting one like you did ? Have they said ?
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Topcat on November 30, 2016 - 11:46:09 PM
OMG!   :22yikes:

I just can't believe this mess!

Like what you said. Tim is gonna make it into a beast.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 01, 2016 - 09:09:01 AM
Whats the chances of someone else ordering an engine from your suppler and getting one like you did ? Have they said ?

Hey, well I think the chances are 100% probable I am sure this is not a one off as it took some them some time to make the necessary clearances and also just a bunch of off the shelf mixed up parts.

Tim has seen and talked to me about what he has found in some of these crate disaster's but he said this one takes the cake. just cant believe anyone would take the time to build and hold their breath on the dyno and if it holds together send it out the door with a clear conscience. :dunno:   
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: marc70challenger on December 01, 2016 - 09:51:13 AM
Hey Marc70challenger,

Well I contacted who I bought it from to see if they could find out who did build it

And before I go any further It is 1000% nothing to do with who I bought through, they are very good friends and the best of the best as far as I am concerned and I am sure they feel bad and also betrayed as I know for sure they do not want to sell junk like that, I just picked the part number I wanted and they ordered it up.

I mean it must have been built by a fairly large well known shop, I would not think mopar would just get anyone to build them although joe blow rod shop probably would have done better lol .

Thanks for letting me rant over this,

bruce

Aye. Understand.  Sourcing can de a dicey thing now. It's sooooo competitive almost everything becomes price driven.  And I think in the end - that will be issue here with their source   We get in the same situation as your friends.  Hope it's resolved ok.

Here's my opinion - which is all and just that:  some "companies" with a decently valued licensor name would sell their grandmas for a nickel.  Mopar is owned by whom now?

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 01, 2016 - 10:31:44 AM
Aye. Understand.  Sourcing can de a dicey thing now. It's sooooo competitive almost everything becomes price driven.  And I think in the end - that will be issue here with their source   We get in the same situation as your friends.  Hope it's resolved ok.

Here's my opinion - which is all and just that:  some "companies" with a decently valued licensor name would sell their grandmas for a nickel.  Mopar is owned by whom now?

Yeah, I guess I thought they would have some sort of quality control checks or at least supply the vendor with proper parts and that the builder would not want his name on garbage, but I guess like you say no one cares about the guy purchasing it. I am hoping I can find out who actually built this time bomb.

Thanks Bruce

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Markp on December 01, 2016 - 12:36:55 PM
The company that has there name on your bill is the one that owes you a new engine plain and simple. You paid someone for a engine it was defective they need to get you a new engine.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: timbbuc2 on December 01, 2016 - 01:23:27 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 01, 2016 - 01:28:17 PM
The company that has there name on your bill is the one that owes you a new engine plain and simple. You paid someone for a engine it was defective they need to get you a new engine.

Well when they ordered it was drop shipped directly from the builder. they have a pretty good idea where it came from but don't what to obviously get it wrong. I talked to mopar performance and they said send all the block numbers and the photos and the finding that tim has found so far to the mopar perftec group I guess they deal with stuff like that and im hoping it goes well but I am planning on them doing nothing. I want to be sure on the builder and between them and mopar hopefully something comes out of it. Tim said this morning it was the worst he had ever seen. If they do nothing I will pretty much devote my time in any way, Facebook, car forums, even blow the pictures up and head to whatever show they are at for all to see. yeah I am getting madder as time goes by.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: HP_Cuda on December 01, 2016 - 02:07:19 PM

Sorry to hear this was such a disaster for you. This is precisely why I monitored my build the entire way and sourced all materials for it. It also helps that I trusted the guy who built it for me that he would do it the right way. At certain points in the build he would show me what he did (I also dropped in on him a bit).

Folks like Tim are the reason folks get to enjoy their Mopar dreams. Others are just out for the $$$ any way possible.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: jhaag on December 01, 2016 - 02:41:03 PM
Understand your reluctance to name where you purchased the engine, but anyone can do as I did and look back at your build thread. You purchased from a reputable company with great people. I am sure they will do all in their power to help you. They need to address this situation as well. I am sure they do not want this to happen again. Good luck!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 01, 2016 - 03:40:59 PM
Thanks everyone, well once I send the block numbers and photos plus the info from tim we will see where it goes. Yes where I ordered it from is by far one of the best places to deal with they have treated me like gold from the get go, I am hoping they can add some clout along with the pics and description from Tim to make it right. Not asking for anything special just make it right.

Thanks Bruce 
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Markp on December 01, 2016 - 03:46:07 PM
Thanks everyone, well once I send the block numbers and photos plus the info from tim we will see where it goes. Yes where I ordered it from is by far one of the best places to deal with they have treated me like gold from the get go, I am hoping they can add some clout along with the pics and description from Tim to make it right. Not asking for anything special just make it right.

Thanks Bruce

You sound like a calm and collected guy I hope everything works out for you. You deserve a new engine. I would have been so mad a 572 would have went threw there storefront window.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on December 01, 2016 - 03:50:20 PM
seems like just plain fraud across state lines.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 01, 2016 - 04:01:03 PM
You sound like a calm and collected guy I hope everything works out for you. You deserve a new engine. I would have been so mad a 572 would have went threw there storefront window.

Hey, thanks I hope your right. well I am normally a wait and see what happens give it some time kinda guy, but everyone has their breaking point which im getting closer to.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: CUDA JAS on December 01, 2016 - 05:59:29 PM
Whoa!! You almost have to believe it was done intentionally. It goes way beyond a little oops. Make's you wonder if the builder had some kind of axe to grind.
Good luck getting this mess straightened out.

You look at that picture of the rod cap and bolts...yeah that's intentional.  Any one that have ever been around an engine must know that that is not the proper way to clearance a rod. 

Good luck...I am hopeful the vendor you bought it from or Mopar will make it right.   I my mind, my first stop would be the vendor I bought it from.  I paid them for X...I got CRAP, they should make it right.  If they want to go after their supplier..that's their business and they can spend the time to do it.

Jason.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Markp on December 01, 2016 - 06:19:37 PM
 :iagree:    :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: roadman5312 on December 01, 2016 - 06:39:01 PM
                                    The burden of responsibility is with the vendor you paid.  They should bear the brunt of making it right.   :2cents:

Your in good hands with Tim.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: twalker on December 01, 2016 - 07:55:52 PM
Damn just saw this, sorry to hear this Bruce, can't imagine how angry you are.


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Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: soundcontrol on December 01, 2016 - 10:00:45 PM
Damn, thats the worst hackjob I ever seen!
I thought ony pro's put those crate engines together... apparantly not.
Hope they will make it right.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: RzeroB on December 02, 2016 - 01:45:21 AM
I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that this is a factory crate motor. :eek4:  I wrongly assumed that a factory crate motor was built to factory standards and was pretty much a "plug and play" deal. If the factory isn't building it and a subcontractor is, I would think that there would be some kind of factory standards and quality control involved since it's wearing the factory name on it. :dunno: Obviously that isn't the case. :faint: What are they now ... building these things over in China and shipping them back here? :scared:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 02, 2016 - 09:17:41 AM
Hey thanks guys, not much I can do now but send the pics, block numbers and description from tim to this perftec group as the mopar performance guy told me. Like I said I could swallow a mistake or something overlooked but this thing was assembled knowing it would never last and then just sent it out the door. I am sure it was assembled by a well known vendor just waiting to see which one and to see if either them or mopar makes it right.

Bruce 
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on December 02, 2016 - 10:06:12 AM
Bruce, this is not right be no means and Sorry for the frustrations this has caused. There were 2 builders of this engine over time Cummings and Ray Barton. other engine builders of different displacements were K.Black and G.Stanton. based on your timeline the later of the 2 would have built this. I sent the pictures to an ex platform manager of MP and he choked. I agree as this is total BS.

Have you called Mopar help line yet ? if you haven't yet. Make sure you get whom you talked to and a case number.

when you get a chance. send me the picture of the stamp pad numbers. it will have the part number and some other numbers.

dradcliffe@mikeriehls.com
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 02, 2016 - 11:13:10 AM
Bruce, this is not right be no means and Sorry for the frustrations this has caused. There were 2 builders of this engine over time Cummings and Ray Barton. other engine builders of different displacements were K.Black and G.Stanton. based on your timeline the later of the 2 would have built this. I sent the pictures to an ex platform manager of MP and he choked. I agree as this is total BS.

Have you called Mopar help line yet ? if you haven't yet. Make sure you get whom you talked to and a case number.

when you get a chance. send me the picture of the stamp pad numbers. it will have the part number and some other numbers.

dradcliffe@mikeriehls.com

Hey Good morning Dave,

No need to be sorry Dave it has nothing to do with you guys as it seems we both got surprized by someone else's need to knowingly send something like that out their door, I have some pics of the numbers but I am waiting for Tim to confirm they are correct. Not sure if you deal with Tim on a regular basis ( you probably do) but he could obviously explain the carnage in this motor. Yes I have contacted the Mopar hotline and the gentlemen told me to send the block numbers, photos and Tim's description of his findings to perftec group? .

I will for sure send you the numbers, I am hoping once we find out who actually build this gem, mopar and the builder will make it right. Like I said I could live with a mistake or an unforeseen issue but as you can tell someone actually took time to assemble this thing with completely wrong parts, bad prep and well you seen the clearance job. I am just glad this thing did not fire as Tim said I probably wouldn't have made it out of the driveway.

Again, I very much appreciate any help you could do on your end Dave, I am sure you carry some clout in the mopar world.

Thanks,

Bruce.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on December 02, 2016 - 11:22:10 AM
Well the issue is Prefix ie Arrow racing wasn't the builder at that time. Would have been Barton to my understanding. The credibility of this engine was compromised and must have failed during being dyno test and should have never been shipped. But that doesn't change the fact of who built the engine. The big factor is will Mopar actually do anything or Not. Because the QC will go back on Arrow/prefix. Which is not our issue.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anlauto on December 02, 2016 - 11:25:38 AM
It's always been my understanding in this hobby that there is never any warranty on this type of high performance part :dunno: I highly doubt anybody will do anything for you :villagers:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on December 02, 2016 - 11:55:46 AM
Appears the people that built this engine do not undergo random
drug testing!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 02, 2016 - 12:18:39 PM
Well the issue is Prefix ie Arrow racing wasn't the builder at that time. Would have been Barton to my understanding. The credibility of this engine was compromised and must have failed during being dyno test and should have never been shipped. But that doesn't change the fact of who built the engine. The big factor is will Mopar actually do anything or Not. Because the QC will go back on Arrow/prefix. Which is not our issue.

So will the block numbers show who built this motor? And who are these PERFTEC group where I have to send the information to do you know?  also so your saying mopar wont go back on Barton if they actually built it? they only look at arrow.

sorry for the questions Dave just trying to get the info right.

Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: HP_Cuda on December 02, 2016 - 01:45:49 PM

Looks like Dave is trying to say that the PERFTEC group is just a QC/QA group involved to try and figure this out.

It would have to go back to Barton if the motor is sent back.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 02, 2016 - 02:07:39 PM
Looks like Dave is trying to say that the PERFTEC group is just a QC/QA group involved to try and figure this out.

It would have to go back to Barton if the motor is sent back.

Well I will gladly ship it back, just hope I can get it figured out.

Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anlauto on December 02, 2016 - 04:38:22 PM
Well I will gladly ship it back, just hope I can get it figured out.

Bruce

That I would think twice about unless they offer a refund of some sort...I certainly wouldn't want the same builder to "fix it" for you... :stomp:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: KillerBee on December 02, 2016 - 05:42:39 PM
WOW!
Sorry to hear of the OP's situation.

So the legendary nightmare of quality control for Mopar's Hemi crate engines continues to this day and the shell game of who is responsible is still going on.:banghead:
I thought those issues were fixed years ago. :dunno:



The only way I would build any type of specialty performance engine is dealing directly with a reputable builder that stands behind their work, even if it costs a little more. :2cents:

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 02, 2016 - 05:56:04 PM
That I would think twice about unless they offer a refund of some sort...I certainly wouldn't want the same builder to "fix it" for you... :stomp:

Well yes for sure Alan. and NO not the same builder lol
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: brads70 on December 02, 2016 - 05:56:14 PM
I assumed Roseville was the seller. Sorry for them and Bruce,Dave to have to step in this pile of crap. I can see how the quality is not Rosevilles fault. What a mess for Roseville , Dave and Bruce...! :crying:  I'm surprised to hear Barton was the builder. I assumed he was a premier builder of Mopar engines?  :o
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 02, 2016 - 06:04:12 PM
I assumed Roseville was the seller. Sorry for them and Bruce,Dave to have to step in this pile of crap. I can see how the quality is not Rosevilles fault. What a mess for Roseville , Dave and Bruce...! :crying:  I'm surprised to hear Barton was the builder. I assumed he was a premier builder of Mopar engines?  :o

Hey Brad,Yes I bought from Dave, and I will continue to buy my stuff there. they are top notch and it is absolutely nothing to do with Roseville, we both got duped from the builder. where my motor is now (whats left of it) is at the premier builder but like yourself thought barton was very very good bought not this time, like Tim said it was the worst he had ever seen :stomp:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 1970 RT Challenger 1970 on December 02, 2016 - 08:01:33 PM
Is this fairly common or a rare occurance with these Crate Hemis? (The Build Quality)

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: RzeroB on December 02, 2016 - 08:30:41 PM
I'm surprised to hear Barton was the builder. I assumed he was a premier builder of Mopar engines?  :o

I can't believe that it was actually Barton's shop who put it together ... surely they must of subcontracted it out to a high-school shop class or something! :dunno:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anlauto on December 02, 2016 - 08:37:33 PM
I was thinking the same thing about Barton subbing stuff out....wonder if that is a possibility ? :clueless:

This whole line of different people involved and the time past is not looking good.....

Hopefully Fiat will step up and help you out... :1zhelp: :smilielol:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on December 03, 2016 - 01:22:03 AM
Is this fairly common or a rare occurance with these Crate Hemis? (The Build Quality)

There have been plenty of problems in the past but this one is exceptionally special... Lots of guys treat the crate as a way to get all the pieces & take it straight to a trusted Hemi builder to sort through the good & the bad...  Amongst the issues there have been plenty of blocks that were porous or have such bad core shift that they aren't useable...But general the rotating assembly is mostly useable....
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 03, 2016 - 09:31:32 AM
I can't believe that it was actually Barton's shop who put it together ... surely they must of subcontracted it out to a high-school shop class or something! :dunno:

Hey, yeah its amazing how it was assembled. the guy who put it together had to of known it was so bad but just didn't care I guess.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Racer57 on December 03, 2016 - 06:48:13 PM
Hey, yeah its amazing how it was assembled. the guy who put it together had to of known it was so bad but just didn't care I guess.
Had to be intentional. Wonder if it was his last day ?
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on December 03, 2016 - 11:51:56 PM
An engine like that should have quality checks along the way, just like
everyone else in industry does. Don't put a guy in a room and ignore
him while he builds a motor, puts it in a box, and ships it!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 04, 2016 - 09:58:51 AM
An engine like that should have quality checks along the way, just like
everyone else in industry does. Don't put a guy in a room and ignore
him while he builds a motor, puts it in a box, and ships it!

I agree. something personal  maybe, I mean it obviously took time to assemble and for sure not a mistake or something missed, pretty much knew what he was doing was completely wrong and didn't give a s^%t like we'll it's not mine so I don't care.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on December 04, 2016 - 10:58:00 PM
Its really the fault of the company that hired the bozo in the first place to build it.
They should have drug tested him too!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Topcat on December 04, 2016 - 11:14:51 PM
I agree. something personal  maybe, I mean it obviously took time to assemble and for sure not a mistake or something missed, pretty much knew what he was doing was completely wrong and didn't give a s^%t like we'll it's not mine so I don't care.

Was a Ferd or Cheby lover no doubt. .
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on December 05, 2016 - 10:16:00 AM
So will the block numbers show who built this motor? And who are these PERFTEC group where I have to send the information to do you know?  also so your saying mopar wont go back on Barton if they actually built it? they only look at arrow.

sorry for the questions Dave just trying to get the info right.

Bruce


all good Bruce,
Arrow is PREFIX, but now JB is the new company doing Blocks only. Prefix has the block contract until this past fall. there has been NO crate Hemis built in the past 2 years that I know of. But I could be wrong as we have not ordered any and None have showed on dealer locator and have been blocked from ordering.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: RzeroB on December 05, 2016 - 10:33:40 PM
There has been NO crate Hemis built in the past 2 years that I know of. But I could be wrong as we have not ordered any and none have showed on dealer locator and have been blocked from ordering.

None? Probably at the direction of Sergio Marchionne I bet! :villagers:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on December 06, 2016 - 12:10:49 AM
Reason none built? Probably no demand, given some of the stories of past
quality issues.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 09, 2016 - 09:10:03 AM
Reason none built? Probably no demand, given some of the stories of past
quality issues.

No doult, I sending  the original invoice to the mopar tech guy but I'm expecting nothing. Hopefully he can tell me who built it. Dave believes Barton built it and if it can be confirmed I'll contact Barton with the pics and the findings to see if he will take any responsibility for the motor and make it right but again I'm sure I will not even get a response back.

Very frustrating, After 11 years this may put an end to build. May just cover it and shove it in the corner. I am paying big insurance on it right now and am nowhere near close to driving it. I'm probably looking at 10 grand or more to fix the motor which will be tuff to swallow.

Bruce

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Oldschool on December 09, 2016 - 09:34:18 AM
Not trying to mess things up here, but I understand the frustration you are feeling. I am willing to help you out if I can. I went from a 528" Hemi making 770 HP to a 572" Hemi. I still have the forged Eagle rotating assembly, 10.5 pistons, rods and solid roller camshaft that came out of that engine. It was all in great shape. You would just need rings and bearings and you are good to go.  If you can't get resolution from the builder, let us know. I would rather GIVE you the stuff out of my engine than to see you stop your project due to this issue. You would end up with about 770 HP if your heads are good. Many members here have seen and heard the car in person and can vouch for it. All I would ask is that you pay for shipping to your location. Just let me know.......    :2thumbs:

Here is a link to a few pics that I posted in a for sale ad here:


http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=107251.msg1053260#msg1053260 (http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=107251.msg1053260#msg1053260)

You can hear the 528 doing a burnout here about halfway through the video. Same cam I will give to you:

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=36066.0 (http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=36066.0)




 :cheers:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 09, 2016 - 11:41:50 AM
Not trying to mess things up here, but I understand the frustration you are feeling. I am willing to help you out if I can. I went from a 528" Hemi making 770 HP to a 572" Hemi. I still have the forged Eagle rotating assembly, 10.5 pistons, rods and solid roller camshaft that came out of that engine. It was all in great shape. You would just need rings and bearings and you are good to go.  If you can't get resolution from the builder, let us know. I would rather GIVE you the stuff out of my engine than to see you stop your project due to this issue. You would end up with about 770 HP if your heads are good. Many members here have seen and heard the car in person and can vouch for it. All I would ask is that you pay for shipping to your location. Just let me know.......    :2thumbs:

Here is a link to a few pics that I posted in a for sale ad here:


[url]http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=107251.msg1053260#msg1053260[/url] ([url]http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=107251.msg1053260#msg1053260[/url])

You can hear the 528 doing a burnout here about halfway through the video. Same cam I will give to you:

[url]http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=36066.0[/url] ([url]http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=36066.0[/url])




 :cheers:


Wow what a generous offer Oldschool. I'm humbled by the generously. I would never expect it for nothing for sure, I will keep you all informed on how I make out with this issue but I'm thinking no one will make it right but me lol.

Once again I very much appreciate your unbelievable offer to help out a fellow life long mopar guy in time of need.

Also I said it once and I'll say it again, this forum has truely the best people by far.

Thanks Again.

Bruce. :cheers: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 4Cruizn on December 09, 2016 - 01:13:34 PM
 :2thumbs:  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy  :worshippy
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: rUNCHARGER on December 09, 2016 - 01:59:39 PM
Old School is a true Mopar guy! I get so tired of the number cruncher, step on anybody guys it does the heart good to see a true Mopar Enthusiast.

Sheldon
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: soundcontrol on December 09, 2016 - 03:27:35 PM
:2thumbs: :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy :worshippy
:iagree:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: brads70 on December 09, 2016 - 06:35:05 PM
Wow, way to go Oldschool!  :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: jhaag on December 09, 2016 - 07:54:23 PM
HOLY CRAP BATMAN! Oldschool is THEEE man!  :wow:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on December 09, 2016 - 07:59:30 PM
I thought the price before was giving it away.... And if I were building a Hemi the parts would already be in my garage.... Old School you do your old school peers proud... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: twalker on December 09, 2016 - 08:19:25 PM
Wow, way to go Oldschool!  :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

X2

Amazing


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Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: ChallengerHK on December 09, 2016 - 08:58:49 PM
You da man, Ken
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: jimynick on December 10, 2016 - 12:05:40 AM
Handsomely offered and handsomely done! It's really nice to know that there're still some gentlemen left and that chivalry isn't totally dead. Well played sir, well played.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on December 10, 2016 - 12:23:36 AM
Ken you totally rock!  But BIGS already knew that  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Topcat on December 10, 2016 - 12:32:40 AM
I elect Ken

Mopar Person of the year.

Hearye! Hearye!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Chryco Psycho on December 11, 2016 - 02:23:02 PM
Awesome Ken
 I can vouch for the Old Hemi , I rode in it !!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: HP_Cuda on December 11, 2016 - 04:37:49 PM
 :2thumbs:

Ken you are top notch!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 73_Cuda_4_Me on December 11, 2016 - 06:42:06 PM
 :picture:

When I grow up, I wanna be like Ken!

Oldschool - you rule!

You join the ranks of the epitome of E-Body Famedom... in the mix with CP, 1 Wild, 4-cruzin, TacTrans, and all the other truly wonderful people here that share everything they can to help fellow Mopar lovers.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: dfrazz on December 11, 2016 - 07:28:55 PM
Members helping members!  Part of the great people that make up the Mopar family!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: blown motor on December 11, 2016 - 08:40:55 PM
Members helping members!  Part of the great people that make up the Mopar family!

And the C-C.com family in particular.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on December 12, 2016 - 12:44:45 AM
After reading Ken's post I just had to watch the video again with the Beast and Kim's dart!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: sprecks on December 28, 2016 - 06:22:39 PM
It's been about three weeks since this was first posted.  Is Mopar going to stand behind this crate motor and make it right?  Don't leave us hanging.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: EbodyMod on December 29, 2016 - 09:59:05 AM
 :clueless:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 29, 2016 - 12:40:33 PM
Sorry guys, Mopar has not returned any e mails,but Dave is trying to help. I am thinking its a bad time of year with the holidays and stuff but hoping and praying 2017 will be good to me. Not looking for anything but what I paid for or just the cost of making it right, I am hoping they will see from the pics and the discription from Tim that it was a horribly built motor with a mopar part number which I hope they stand behind, and yes I told them I knew about the 90 day warranty but had it been fired up on day two it would have granaded. Not sure if I'm the only guy it happen to but I'm thinking I was the one unlucky enough to have received this deplorable motor sent out the door by a very reportable builder. Myself im thinking MOPAR  should be pissed as well.

I'll keep you guys informed.

Thanks, Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: polarbear123 on December 29, 2016 - 01:48:36 PM
If Mopar doesn't come through call the DA in your state see if he will help.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: shadango on December 29, 2016 - 04:17:05 PM
Sorry guys, Mopar has not returned any e mails,but Dave is trying to help. I am thinking its a bad time of year with the holidays and stuff but hoping and praying 2017 will be good to me. Not looking for anything but what I paid for or just the cost of making it right, I am hoping they will see from the pics and the discription from Tim that it was a horribly built motor with a mopar part number which I hope they stand behind, and yes I told them I knew about the 90 day warranty but had it been fired up on day two it would have granaded. Not sure if I'm the only guy it happen to but I'm thinking I was the one unlucky enough to have received this deplorable motor sent out the door by a very reportable builder. Myself im thinking MOPAR  should be pissed as well.

I'll keep you guys informed.

Thanks, Bruce
I just came across this threaqd and .....WOW!!!!

Cant believe a reputable builder wouldnt be all over this to fix the problem and save their name.

The 90 day warranty thing ---- that covers a problem that occurs when its been run and grenades.  In an engine that was barely run, then was disassemble to see what the problem was, and then finding major defects that were CLEARLY there before the engine ever turned over....well, that should be a no brainer....

I am as far from being an engine guru as you can be...and that photo of the machined bolt and rod is just UNREAL.

I have been long wanting an Indy crate 408 stroker....but seeing this, I now wonder if a crate is the right way to go........because how do you really know whats inside once its buttoned up?

I just had a slangt 6 redone by a shop and it seems to run fine....but honestly, I have no idea if what I asked to be done actually was...banking on the reputation and honesty of the shop......as you should also be able to do.  You should not be on the hook for one cent, and at a faster pace -- holidays or not. The kind of money you have into it, I certainly wouldnt just walk away.....make the manufacturer stand behind it...and if not, sue. Too much money to just walk away.  :2cents:

And Oldschool's offer is just awesome.......!  Great people here at CC.com!  That seems like a great way to go IMHO.

Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: ragtopdodge on December 29, 2016 - 07:16:41 PM
I doubt Mopar will do anything since it's past 90 days.

Get RB to do something under threat of smearing them with bad publicity (FB page dedicated to this fiasco).

Whatever you do,  do NOT give it back to RB.   They will blame you or FHO and hold the engine hostage until you pay them for looking at the engine.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on December 29, 2016 - 09:06:00 PM
Mopar will drag it out, until you are so tired of wanting your car to run,
that you might accept a crappy settlement.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: moper on December 29, 2016 - 11:16:04 PM
This whole thing sucks. I seriously doubt MP has any emotion about this beyond the financial cost they'd have to incur to address it. What I foresee is MP blaming the contractor. The contractor blaming the subcontractor, and the subcontractor no longer being involved and passing the buck to their repalcement. meaning the actual victim of the mess gets shafted. Welcome to modern corporate accountability.
I hope that's not the case, but that's what I see coming. Good Luck - keep the engine with Tim - take advantage of Ken's offer if you need parts - and move it forward. Don't let it beat you. And for damn sure go public as you possibly can. Name names, businesses, everything. Be loud. Very loud.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Topcat on December 29, 2016 - 11:34:11 PM
. Don't let it beat you. And for damn sure go public as you possibly can. Name names, businesses, everything. Be loud. Very loud.


We have a news show out here called 7 on your side.

They let the victim speak out and then they investigate.
9 times out of 10 they get positive results for the victims favor.

It would be cool if they could do that for this situation.

An option: This needs to go to court perhaps?

http://abc7news.com/business/contact-7-on-your-side/47207/ (http://abc7news.com/business/contact-7-on-your-side/47207/)
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 30, 2016 - 09:17:36 AM
Thanks everyone, Agreed it's a crappy situation one problem is I'm from Canada so I am not sure how that will effect a possible retaliation against anyone? Shadango, the motor was never run by me as all the lifters where collapsed and it refused to roll over good thing it didn't!. I do have on your side type of deal here in Canada but I'll wait to see if anything happens after the new year.

Agreed the engine won't be going back to RB unless they want it back for good, And yes in today's world of social media it can cause some serious damage to the reputation of a business.

Just trying to remain calm and hope for the best

Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on December 30, 2016 - 01:40:20 PM
As I re-read thru this post, the more infuriating it is! Bruce you are keeping better composure than I would. My crate (much older) could really use a fresh-up. I'm more afraid than ever to open it up. I hope you get positive resolution out of all this, hang in there.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on December 30, 2016 - 06:25:38 PM
As I re-read thru this post, the more infuriating it is! Bruce you are keeping better composure than I would. My crate (much older) could really use a fresh-up. I'm more afraid than ever to open it up. I hope you get positive resolution out of all this, hang in there.

Thanks Bigs, yes it's very frustrating not knowing if anything will come out if it. I'm sure yours will never be as bad as what was found in this jem, just trying to resolve it in a peaceful manner I think if I freak out they will just do nothing for sure. It is a huge chunk of change that's pretty much toast as it needs a rotating assembly for sure and that's as far as we got there maybe more wont know till it's gone through. Still can't believe someone would do that knowingly blows me away.

Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anguilla1980 on January 05, 2017 - 12:44:46 AM
This is the most fu*ked up thread on a car forum I have read in a long time. Absolutely terrible! I would have had an aneurysm by now I would have been so pissed off and heart broken. I got screwed HARD by a body shop over a year ago on my baby of 15 years and I was so defeated over it, I just walked away and put the car into a container.

I REALLY hope and pray this gets sorted for you correctly and in a reasonable amount of time, but IMO, that amount of time has already passed. I feel physically ill just reading this thread.

Alex
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 05, 2017 - 04:04:00 AM
sorry for your disaster. One of the worst. I'll bet everyone on this site
has been shafted once or twice by the auto world.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on January 05, 2017 - 10:28:49 AM
Well I received an e mail from mopar looking for a contact though the dealer I purchased it from, not sure what it all means yet but just to have them looking for some info makes me a lttle hopefull. I will keep everyone up to date to what is going on crossing my fingers
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Jamie on January 06, 2017 - 12:08:03 AM
That is absolutely insane!!! That is something you uncover from a swap meet purchase, but not a good retailer. I recently had a 440 short block built as a stroker , I just started assembling heads to measure push rods and as I am rotating crank around it gets to a spot and just stops dead . I find that my connecting rod is dead stopped on my oil pickup boss in the block!!  These clowns never rotated my engine around at all. Now I tore it down and corrected. I was steaming out of my ears so I cannot imagine your inner pain on this one. Sorry you have this to deal with.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 06, 2017 - 01:50:39 AM
maybe some dealer was sold the engine as a new Mopar, when in fact he was sold
an engine that was a backyard build that used the cheapest parts and labor.  The dealer
may have been scammed. At this point, who did you buy if from, and where did they get it??
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Racer57 on January 06, 2017 - 09:46:45 AM
maybe some dealer was sold the engine as a new Mopar, when in fact he was sold
an engine that was a backyard build that used the cheapest parts and labor.  The dealer
may have been scammed. At this point, who did you buy if from, and where did they get it??
Your supplier hadn't already given that info to them ?
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on January 06, 2017 - 02:23:04 PM
 Yeah.  I believe both me and the dealer got scammed my dealer is top notch and choked when I sent them the pics and discription. mopar and my dealer contact are dealing with it now so hopefully something will happen.Trying to remain calm till I get an answer if they will do anything or not they may just say sorry go @#$& yourself if so then I'll go another route.

Thanks for all the input guys
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 06, 2017 - 03:47:21 PM
ya, if you aren't getting answers soon, get an attorney
and start the legal ball rolling. That always makes things
happen faster!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on January 06, 2017 - 04:03:56 PM
ya, if you aren't getting answers soon, get an attorney
and start the legal ball rolling. That always makes things
happen faster!


Wanna bet? Sometimes it does, sometimes it starts a pissing match & trust me Chrysler has Attorneys sitting around with nothing better to do then make a small guy go broke..... Bruce knows he bought the engine in it's current condition but you wanna guess how many holes an attorney could drive a truck through to make proving the engine was delivered in it's current condition....  Bruce needs Someone in a position of Authority to step up & make the right call in the interests of customer satisfaction &  goodwill.... Sometimes the pressure of an internet forum can help, sometimes it's creates the same reaction as hiring an attorney...

I think Bruce's calm patient dealing is gonna be more effective then trying to intimidate Mopar...
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Racer57 on January 06, 2017 - 04:17:30 PM
ya, if you aren't getting answers soon, get an attorney
and start the legal ball rolling. That always makes things
happen faster!
Problem is that the attorney fees will could cost more than a new engine and after several months of back and forth, wtf do you gain ?  :(
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: headejm on January 06, 2017 - 04:21:56 PM
 :iagree: Lawyers always win! They get richer as you get poorer.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 06, 2017 - 05:23:43 PM
Lawyers may get 20%, but you could lose 100%.

Dealer that sold it to you may be a nice guy, but if he had any honor, he would
refund your money, and let you drop that big hunk of iron on his front porch.

Your dealer is 100% responsible for your loses. Its up to him to refund you, then
he can go after the bum who sold it to him.

Without a lawyer, this could drag on for years. It will not cost you much just to have an attorney
write one letter, which may scare the crap out of them.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anguilla1980 on January 06, 2017 - 05:39:18 PM
Dealer that sold it to you may be a nice guy, but if he had any honor, he would
refund your money, and let you drop that big hunk of iron on his front porch.

Your dealer is 100% responsible for your loses. Its up to him to refund you, then
he can go after the bum who sold it to him.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

I didn't want to state the obvious and beat a dead horse, but this is what should have happened. I understand you didn't do this because you are friends with the guy you bought it from, but even as a friend, he should be professional about it and take responsibility for it as a business. All friendship aside.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 06, 2017 - 06:10:21 PM
I sell on line. If I accidentally sell someone a piece of junk,
I immediately let them return it and refund their money.
Then I go after the guy that sold me the junk.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 06, 2017 - 06:12:45 PM

Wanna bet? Sometimes it does, sometimes it starts a pissing match & trust me Chrysler has Attorneys sitting around with nothing better to do then make a small guy go broke..... Bruce knows he bought the engine in it's current condition but you wanna guess how many holes an attorney could drive a truck through to make proving the engine was delivered in it's current condition....  Bruce needs Someone in a position of Authority to step up & make the right call in the interests of customer satisfaction &  goodwill.... Sometimes the pressure of an internet forum can help, sometimes it's creates the same reaction as hiring an attorney...

I think Bruce's calm patient dealing is gonna be more effective then trying to intimidate Mopar...

asserting your legal rights, is not intimidation. Its your rights under the Constitution.
In the auto industry, being calm and patient will get you nowhere, most of the time.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: jimynick on January 06, 2017 - 10:25:21 PM
The old expression that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar came about for a reason. Yeah, you can get all lawyered up, but most of the time that just makes another payment on his Porsche. I totally agree that regardless of where YOUR supplier got this alleged engine, it should be sitting in HIS shop as he gets you another one and deals with the system that he bought it from. If you bought a new Challenger and it turned out to be a POS, do you think that you'd have to deal with the salesman who sold it to you? Take the F**king thing back to where you got it and leave it on his doorstep, then it can be HIS problem. In Canada, we have a thing called "small claims court" That's where you- not your lawyer- get up and tell the judge what the situation is and if the other party can't justify their actions, you win AND you get your costs as well. Keep the lawyers as a last resort IMHO. Good luck  :cheers:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 06, 2017 - 11:17:52 PM
small claims in the US is for things under $2000 I think.
More than that, and you have to lawyer up.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: jimynick on January 07, 2017 - 07:54:34 PM
Bummer! In Canada, it's $10,000 and no lawyer req'd.  :nono:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: dodj on January 07, 2017 - 08:35:37 PM
Bummer! In Canada, it's $10,000 and no lawyer req'd.  :nono:
Still wouldn't cover the cost of a 572 hemi...
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 07, 2017 - 08:43:02 PM
I'm beating a dead Pinto, but the dealer sold
the piece of junk, and is 100% responsible to the buyer!
Come on dealer, Man Up!!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Challenger in NC on January 08, 2017 - 01:27:09 PM
Damn, just saw this, hope you can get this resolved asap, know that must be frustrating as hell.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on January 08, 2017 - 02:27:15 PM
 :popcorn:   waiting for some good news.....
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Topcat on January 08, 2017 - 06:11:11 PM
This is a job for Judge Judy.   :grinyes:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 08, 2017 - 08:25:56 PM
This is a job for Judge Judy.   :grinyes:

Judge Judy, "So, you sold this man a piece of junk! Take back your engine, and give the man
a full refund!"
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Topcat on January 08, 2017 - 09:19:22 PM
Judge Judy, "So, you sold this man a piece of junk! Take back your engine, and give the man
a full refund!"

Hell yeah!

She doesn't take any B.S.

More Judges should take her stance.

I was in a small claims Kangaroo court and the Judge threw the case out and said settle it yourselves.
I was totally in the right. 
Grass Valley, CA.
F%$@#*& Hicks!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: moper on January 09, 2017 - 04:42:13 PM
I honestly think if Roseville took the payment, it is up to Roseville to reimburse and/or make the deal. They in turn go to MP. It's the way business is done. There are no friendships here, or shouldn't be. Not trying to be a dick but with my contractors it is they who sign a contract with a warranty. I'm not chasing their suppliers if there's a problem. I go to the name on the contract and if they can't address it you can damn sure know it is they the lawyers will call.
WHOMEVER TOOK YOUR PAYMENT IS 100% RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. Should they go up their supplier chain to recoup losses is up to them.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: anguilla1980 on January 09, 2017 - 05:24:08 PM
I honestly think if Roseville took the payment, it is up to Roseville to reimburse and/or make the deal. They in turn go to MP. It's the way business is done. There are no friendships here, or shouldn't be. Not trying to be a dick but with my contractors it is they who sign a contract with a warranty. I'm not chasing their suppliers if there's a problem. I go to the name on the contract and if they can't address it you can damn sure know it is they the lawyers will call.
WHOMEVER TOOK YOUR PAYMENT IS 100% RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. Should they go up their supplier chain to recoup losses is up to them.

This is part of the reason why I avoid at all costs doing any professional transactions with friends or family. Hopefully it doesn't bite the OP in the ass.

I think we should step back from judging tho, obviously he has his reasons for letting his friend slide on this whose business he bought it from.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on January 09, 2017 - 06:57:56 PM
Actually a valid point....
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Markp on January 11, 2017 - 11:35:06 AM
Never do business with friends unless you are prepared to not have them as a friend.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: ragtopdodge on January 11, 2017 - 01:30:39 PM
I honestly think if Roseville took the payment, it is up to Roseville to reimburse and/or make the deal. They in turn go to MP. It's the way business is done. There are no friendships here, or shouldn't be. Not trying to be a dick but with my contractors it is they who sign a contract with a warranty. I'm not chasing their suppliers if there's a problem. I go to the name on the contract and if they can't address it you can damn sure know it is they the lawyers will call.
WHOMEVER TOOK YOUR PAYMENT IS 100% RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. Should they go up their supplier chain to recoup losses is up to them.

I concur.  Maybe Roseville should just accept a return, and have Roseville get re-imbursed when they return it to Mopar.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: shadango on January 11, 2017 - 02:02:23 PM
 :iagree:

No offense to anyone, but certainly the seller got "their cut" for being middleman here, right?  Doesn't seem right when so much is so wrong that the end buyer is left holding the bag but the middle man and the manufacturer get paid.

As a business, they will have much more luck persuing this through the vendor that sold it to them to begin with....I am sure their vendors want their continued business and will make it right.

It doesnt matter if all the OP did was "gave them a part number I wanted and they had it drop shipped".

These days, a LOT is drop shipped. Half the time you order something online its drop shipped.   The vendor still gets a cut.  The vendor is who sells it to the customer.

If you bought a fender thru a vendor and it showed up all smashed, would you just eat it?  Of course not...you would go back to who sold it to ya and let them deal with it.

An engine isnt something you can tell is right or wrong by the outward appearance.

If it was just running poorly after miles of use, thats one thing. One could argue that the user messed it up.

This engine had been butchered well before it every left the dock.

I am sure the seller will do what's right....this reflects on them as much as on the manufacturer.  If they are true friends to the OP, they will square him up.  If they don't, well, that sort of calls into question the whole concept of friends to begin with IMHO.  I understand the OP no wanting to crap all over a friendship or to drag folks into something un-necessarily.....but hey...business is business.  We aint talkiing chump money here.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Aussie Challenger on January 11, 2017 - 06:14:08 PM
Never do business with friends unless you are prepared to not have them as a friend.
If we did this then he wouldn't really be a friend as you should know whether you can trust a friend or not.
I have dealt with Dave as many on this board have and found him very up front even when he has a problem and is always quick to rectify the problem, most of the quality parts house do the same especially if they want our return business.
Unfortunately the $$ numbers are a little higher on this transaction, cordodge has made the decision to respect his friendship with Dave, I am sure that Dave would not be sitting back but putting all his resources in to help cordodge.
I for one would like to see where this ends up but feel that we should let them work it out , whoever did the original build-up should be exposed far and wide once the dust settles though.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 71chmark on January 16, 2017 - 08:12:17 PM
This is Bad for business Dave
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 734406pk on January 16, 2017 - 11:10:54 PM
I concur.  Maybe Roseville should just accept a return, and have Roseville get re-imbursed when they return it to Mopar.

 :iagree: Or an insurable loss under Roseville's product liability insurance? Let the insurance company reimburse Roseville, then go after the Mopar supplier for defective workmanship?  :dunno:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on January 16, 2017 - 11:20:57 PM
just checked in on this to see status.
As expected, just dragging on and on and on
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on February 03, 2017 - 10:13:07 AM
Here is the problem folks. Its not that i'm not willing to help Bruce. Which I have talked with the head of FCA engine department that also see's over performance. The big issue is that it was purchased 5 years ago and KB is now since gone under. Chrysler is the one that is liable for this engine as we did not build it or dyno it. Yes this is a very bad issue but we didn't create it. I have not seen a list of parts that the engine needs or what is being asked of Mopar to fix. this is a manufacture/Mopar Performance/FCA issue not Roseville. I've seen pictures but that's it. FHO has taken the engine apart and I am unaware of what it may need. I am willing to work with Bruce but Everything has to be with in reason. A while back I've ask for a case number and who he has been in contact with and haven't heard that info. Mopar is not quick to react by no means which by there reactions isn't good. Mopar should release new parts to resolve this issue. But yet that has remain to be seen. Everyone cant point a finger and thats fine.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 4Cruizn on February 03, 2017 - 11:42:28 AM
Thanks for the update Dave!  I assumed there was a deeper story going on here . . .  :eek4:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on February 03, 2017 - 12:01:06 PM
Here is the problem folks. Its not that i'm not willing to help Bruce. Which I have talked with the head of FCA engine department that also see's over performance. The big issue is that it was purchased 5 years ago and KB is now since gone under. Chrysler is the one that is liable for this engine as we did not build it or dyno it. Yes this is a very bad issue but we didn't create it. I have not seen a list of parts that the engine needs or what is being asked of Mopar to fix. this is a manufacture/Mopar Performance/FCA issue not Roseville. I've seen pictures but that's it. FHO has taken the engine apart and I am unaware of what it may need. I am willing to work with Bruce but Everything has to be with in reason. A while back I've ask for a case number and who he has been in contact with and haven't heard that info. Mopar is not quick to react by no means which by there reactions isn't good. Mopar should release new parts to resolve this issue. But yet that has remain to be seen. Everyone cant point a finger and thats fine.

Please don't point the finger at Dave, he has been in contact with me on this. The problem is that it was just not that long ago I got an e mail from perftec asking for the dealers info. To that point I was in contact with them when they felt like it. Now they have the dealers into that they requested ( they want to deal with the dealer now not me) which is fine. I had asked for a case number multiple times but never heard back, but I'm hoping now that they have what they asked for they will supply one. Dave I will contact FHO and ask Tim for a list of items it will require and send it to you.

Thanks,

Bruce.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: rmsolimando on February 03, 2017 - 12:17:02 PM
I was reading an old Q/A with the president of Mopar and at the end it had his email address. pietro.gorlier (at) chrysler.com  Maybe try emailing him for help?
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on February 03, 2017 - 12:27:37 PM
I was reading an old Q/A with the president of Mopar and at the end it had his email address. pietro.gorlier@chrysler.com  Maybe try emailing him for help?

I appreciate that

Thanks.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: ragtopdodge on February 03, 2017 - 01:04:40 PM
The engine was bought 5 years ago???

 :dunno:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on February 03, 2017 - 04:30:13 PM
The engine was bought 5 years ago???

 :dunno:
.


June 2011 I believe
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: soundcontrol on February 03, 2017 - 04:36:41 PM
I was reading an old Q/A with the president of Mopar and at the end it had his email address. pietro.gorlier (at) chrysler.com (pietro.gorlier@chrysler.com)  Maybe try emailing him for help?


Just a note, posting someones mail address in a public forum will for sure ruin it quick, he will get massive amounts of spam and probably change it. Webspiders (robots) catch those and use it for spamming. At least remove the @ sign and replace with (at) will be safer. (I changed it in the quoute text). I had to ditch my domain name for this reason.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: AARTA340 on February 03, 2017 - 04:42:43 PM
.


June 2011 I believe

Now, that may put a different spin on it. May have to think on it for a bit though. Very unfortunate situation for sure.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Oldschool on February 03, 2017 - 05:13:12 PM
The engine was bought 5 years ago???

 :dunno:

I wouldn't think that was such a big deal. Lots of folks start buying up parts for their project and they slowly accumulate up stuff until they get enough parts to begin assembling them. I know of many folks that will buy something when they can get a deal and hang on to it until they need it. That said, I can see buying the engine and holding on to it until the time comes to use it... :2cents:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Aussie Challenger on February 03, 2017 - 05:28:06 PM
I wouldn't think that was such a big deal. Lots of folks start buying up parts for their project and they slowly accumulate up stuff until they get enough parts to begin assembling them. I know of many folks that will buy something when they can get a deal and hang on to it until they need it. That said, I can see buying the engine and holding on to it until the time comes to use it... :2cents:
I agree, most of us do this. I have had to deal with similar problems in the past as a Motor Mechanic organizing engines especially. One that comes to mind was a customer who needed after 14 months to know that the original warranty would start when he first fired up the engine.
I worked with the engine builder and they agreed to extend the warranty on this engine but with a couple of minor conditions, everyone was happy.
I think that 5 years is stretching this but so long as Dave continues to be open and forward on all relevant information and paperwork it should be between the purchaser and Chrysler if the original builder has closed down, after all they were contracted by Chrysler to do the original build up. As we all now know the build up was extremely poorly done but Chrysler hopefully should get directly involved.   :2cents:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on February 03, 2017 - 05:30:59 PM
Yes I bought it when I had the money to do so, It was not cheap so it was then or maybe never. it is in a temperature controlled garage and was oiled and rotated faithfully, I had to wait almost 50 years to have a Hemi in my garage but I just wish it wasn't this one .

I have been e mailing with Dave, I sent him so info he needed and he did contact some people in  Mopar.
Hopefully he will get some response.

And thanks again old school for your generous offer you are definitely an old school kinda guy, hopefully I will hear back soon one way or the other and I'll go from there.

Bruce.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on February 03, 2017 - 05:36:46 PM
5 years is a bit of time for sure but had I got it last week and fired it up this week it would have came apart as well, just hoping for something right now. I will ship it back if they want to look at it themselves it is a horrendous motor to the point where I think it was sabotaged by a disgruntled employee
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on February 03, 2017 - 05:56:02 PM
just sent you an email. Need some reply.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on February 03, 2017 - 07:14:31 PM
just sent you an email. Need some reply.

Thanks Dave, I replied back and I'll get the info for you.

Bruce
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on February 03, 2017 - 10:05:16 PM
a simple letter from an attorney gets things moving fast!
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on February 03, 2017 - 10:15:10 PM
a simple letter from an attorney gets things moving fast!

So you keep telling us....
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: mopardave on February 04, 2017 - 08:10:37 AM
I wouldn't think that was such a big deal. Lots of folks start buying up parts for their project and they slowly accumulate up stuff until they get enough parts to begin assembling them. I know of many folks that will buy something when they can get a deal and hang on to it until they need it. That said, I can see buying the engine and holding on to it until the time comes to use it... :2cents:
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in this case fore sure, Bruce is a busy guy. Not home much.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on February 04, 2017 - 06:34:17 PM
So you keep telling us....

sometimes people need to hear it more than once, before it sinks in
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Racer57 on February 04, 2017 - 06:47:46 PM
If the supplier believes you, why haven't they refunded you by now ? It's on them to find where the fault was made. No rea son for you to suffer at this point.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: sprecks on April 30, 2017 - 08:39:07 PM
Did this story have a happy ending?
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: jimynick on April 30, 2017 - 09:47:48 PM
Did this story have a happy ending?
X2
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: BIGSHCLUNK on April 30, 2017 - 11:51:12 PM
Ya, I haven't checked here in awhile...... still going on?  :clueless:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on May 02, 2017 - 03:41:14 PM
at this point, I sense an unhappy ending. but I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: RzeroB on May 02, 2017 - 05:23:02 PM
Bruce is still posting on the site, so I suppose no news ... is nothing new ... unfortunately.

A suck deal for sure! :swear:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on May 05, 2017 - 07:51:42 PM
Sorry guys been quite busy,

Ok so just came back from Roseville with a bunch parts, 8- Pistons, 8- h-beam rods, rings, cam,rod and crank bearings,set of lifters, timing chain and gasket set. Probably around $2000/2200 us around $3000cad. I know some guys think Roseville should have came good for the motor BUT there is multiple scenarios at play here.1- the motor will be 6 years old this June. 2- I knew there was only a 90day warrenty. 3- I purchased it when Chrysler was Chrysler now its FCA. I am positive if I had freaked out they would have just cut off any negotiations so with the help from Dave we managed to get more flies with sugar than vinegar. I believe the sole blame is Mopar and its inability to QC/ or monitor the builders that build there motors, It's still going to cost me quite a bit of money but this at least takes a bit of the sting out of it. Had the motor fired up it would have granaded in short order and I could have lost everything, they say things happen for a reason and I think this was one of those times.

Roseville has always been awesome to deal with and I have always bought my stuff from them which I will continue to do, believe me Dave did not take this lightly and is the reason I got the parts I have today.

I did not want to wait to see what or if anything would get sorted out so Tim at FHO disassembled the motor and started from the ground up, I won't get into detail what he found and had to do here but the quality of workmanship was atrocious along with completely wrong components. The block was prepped correctly which was never done, He installed a complete correct rotating assembly, solid cam and external oil sup pan and pickup. It is now complete waiting for dyne time and tune, The parts I picked up today will off set the cost of this process. This was only possible because of Dave at Roseville.

I guess I will sum it up to a learning experience that I will not go though again and I hope everyone here will understand the position this motor/ engine builder put myself and Roseville though. But in the end I will end up with a FHO masterpiece.

Thanks for listening,

Bruce.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: AARTA340 on May 05, 2017 - 08:05:56 PM
Glad you are happy with the outcome. As some say, Patience is a virtue!!! If anyone could have worked it out for you I had money on Dave. I did not comment, sometimes it is better left alone. One thing did come to mind, and you did hit  on it about the motor being 6 years old. It would be similar to buying a brand new car, driving it home and storing for 6 years, only to find out the car was a lemon after putting it on the road 6 years later. Hopefully this is a lesson to all of us. Buying parts that come packaged and then storing them until ready of assembly also comes to mind. Open them up and make sure you did not get 2 left sets of window whiskers instead of one of each side. goes for all other parts as well.

Again great it worked out and thanks for the update.  :cheers:
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on May 05, 2017 - 08:21:13 PM
Glad you are happy with the outcome. As some say, Patience is a virtue!!! If anyone could have worked it out for you I had money on Dave. I did not comment, sometimes it is better left alone. One thing did come to mind, and you did hit  on it about the motor being 6 years old. It would be similar to buying a brand new car, driving it home and storing for 6 years, only to find out the car was a lemon after putting it on the road 6 years later. Hopefully this is a lesson to all of us. Buying parts that come packaged and then storing them until ready of assembly also comes to mind. Open them up and make sure you did not get 2 left sets of window whiskers instead of one of each side. goes for all other parts as well.

Again great it worked out and thanks for the update.  :cheers:

Yeah sometimes you think well it's brand new from mopar so should be good, as I thought that was one thing I did not have to worry about being brand new but you never know who assembled it and obviously this guy did not care about the final destination, and yes you are right about checking things out when you buy stuff as like everyone in this racket knows it's a long process sometimes and you purchase stuff when you have the money to do so. Case in point it's been 12 years for me to get where I'm at today, could I have done it a lot quicker Yes but that's not how the world works for most, lots of other commitments and normal life that gets in the way but it will make it all worth it when it's done.

Bruce.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on May 05, 2017 - 08:39:42 PM
Overall a good outcome, I'm glad Dave & Rosevoille stepped up, it's a shame they had to but I haven't held MP in high regard for a long time....
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Racer57 on May 05, 2017 - 10:27:31 PM
I'm relatively new to the various E body suppliers (4 years) so its great to hear that Roseville stands behind what they sell to the extent that they did.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: Aussie Challenger on May 05, 2017 - 11:16:56 PM
Great to hear that it is mutually solved, having dealt with Dave myself and I am on the other side of the world I can attest to the fact he is an honorable man. In this case really he could have wiped his hands of this but didn't, I would lay odds it would all be coming out of his own pocket. We all need now when considering parts perhaps double check his site to support him.    :woo:   :2thumbs: 
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cudabob496 on May 06, 2017 - 02:10:56 AM
Sorry guys been quite busy,

Ok so just came back from Roseville with a bunch parts, 8- Pistons, 8- h-beam rods, rings, cam,rod and crank bearings,set of lifters, timing chain and gasket set. Probably around $2000/2200 us around $3000cad. I know some guys think Roseville should have came good for the motor BUT there is multiple scenarios at play here.1- the motor will be 6 years old this June. 2- I knew there was only a 90day warrenty. 3- I purchased it when Chrysler was Chrysler now its FCA. I am positive if I had freaked out they would have just cut off any negotiations so with the help from Dave we managed to get more flies with sugar than vinegar. I believe the sole blame is Mopar and its inability to QC/ or monitor the builders that build there motors, It's still going to cost me quite a bit of money but this at least takes a bit of the sting out of it. Had the motor fired up it would have granaded in short order and I could have lost everything, they say things happen for a reason and I think this was one of those times.

Roseville has always been awesome to deal with and I have always bought my stuff from them which I will continue to do, believe me Dave did not take this lightly and is the reason I got the parts I have today.

I did not want to wait to see what or if anything would get sorted out so Tim at FHO disassembled the motor and started from the ground up, I won't get into detail what he found and had to do here but the quality of workmanship was atrocious along with completely wrong components. The block was prepped correctly which was never done, He installed a complete correct rotating assembly, solid cam and external oil sup pan and pickup. It is now complete waiting for dyne time and tune, The parts I picked up today will off set the cost of this process. This was only possible because of Dave at Roseville.

I guess I will sum it up to a learning experience that I will not go though again and I hope everyone here will understand the position this motor/ engine builder put myself and Roseville though. But in the end I will end up with a FHO masterpiece.

Thanks for listening,

Bruce.

Who paid for the parts?
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: 73440 on May 06, 2017 - 04:15:37 AM
I had thought that buying a crate motor from the dealership would be built by the factory , not farmed out.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on May 06, 2017 - 06:57:17 AM
Who paid for the parts?

Dave bought the parts and Mopar reluctantly  paid Roseville back.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on May 06, 2017 - 07:00:52 AM
I had thought that buying a crate motor from the dealership would be built by the factory , not farmed out.

No not at all, they send the parts to a vendor and they build it and send it from there. You have no idea who assembled it.  I believe it's the same for GM and Ford gus as well.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: shadango on May 06, 2017 - 10:56:24 AM
Buying parts that come packaged and then storing them until ready of assembly also comes to mind. Open them up and make sure you did not get 2 left sets of window whiskers instead of one of each side. goes for all other parts as well.


Great advice!

Also glad it has worked out and that Roseville helped in some way and didnt just blame the manufacturer.....that's the sign of an honest vendor.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: shadango on May 06, 2017 - 10:58:03 AM
I had thought that buying a crate motor from the dealership would be built by the factory , not farmed out.

Yeah I think the average person would assume that.....that a "factory crate motor" means the FACTORY did it....

Sad they would lie that way...and yes its a marketing lie but a lie nonetheless.

Guess I wont ever be considering a mopar crate engine.
Title: Re: CRATE HEMI DISSASTER
Post by: cordodge on May 06, 2017 - 12:33:12 PM
It's funny as I know of quite a few crate small blocks that were amazing motors not sure on the big block wedges but never heard anything about them.