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Title: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on August 09, 2015 - 12:32:12 pm
Hello All,

Here it is my `70 Challenger. It`s in a rough condition but being the only one in my country i decided to commit on this project.

I don`t know much about this car as it was modified over the time. the only thing i know is the original colour, the fact that it used to have a 318 V8 and that`s about it.

I am looking to buy MANY parts for this car but the process will be slow because the shipping expenses are not that compatible with the financial situation in here :)

If you guys know people that are willing to ship parts abroad, please let me know.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 09, 2015 - 12:40:03 pm
More pictures from the seller`s place. This car didn`t move for 15 years!!!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 09, 2015 - 12:49:41 pm
 :22yikes: :bricks1: YES!!! they cut off the roof trying to make it convertible...luckily, they had enough brain to weld some very strong metal bars in order not to twist the body!!!

YES!!! they made it RHD!!!
NO!!! it doesn`t have the original engine or transmission anymore...

1st time in a garage since 15-20 years:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: brads70 on August 09, 2015 - 01:01:34 pm
Interesting! I wonder why they cut the inside door frame up?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 09, 2015 - 03:39:35 pm
Interesting! I wonder why they cut the inside door frame up?

I`m also curious...

anyway that`s not the biggest issue :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: johns cuda shop on August 09, 2015 - 03:51:46 pm
Interesting, I see the car is RH drive , What part of the world are you in.? Welcome to the forum  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 09, 2015 - 04:48:31 pm
Interesting, I see the car is RH drive , What part of the world are you in.? Welcome to the forum  :bigsmile:

Well, i live in Cyprus which is a small island in the Mediterranean sea. the island was once colonized by the British so we have most of their behavior including the driving on the wrong side. Official language: Greek  :icon16:

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: rhamson on August 11, 2015 - 08:17:57 am
Well, i live in Cyprus which is a small island in the Mediterranean sea. the island was once colonized by the British so we have most of their behavior including the driving on the wrong side. Official language: Greek  :icon16:
I never knew they made a RH drive E-body. Was this a modification too?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 11, 2015 - 03:27:14 pm
I never knew they made a RH drive E-body. Was this a modification too?

the car was modified many years ago. i will move it back to the left
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: YellowThumper on August 12, 2015 - 10:36:43 am
the car was modified many years ago. i will move it back to the left

Hard to tell but the dash pad appears be a mirror image of factory one though. Is it a custom piece made to look factory reversed?

Mike
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 13, 2015 - 02:43:59 am
Hard to tell but the dash pad appears be a mirror image of factory one though. Is it a custom piece made to look factory reversed?

Mike

Yes, they used the original dash frame, cut it and weld it back together to fit somehow. after that, it was covered with some king of fluffy material and some vinyl on top.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 13, 2015 - 07:00:29 am
Yes, they used the original dash frame, cut it and weld it back together to fit somehow. after that, it was covered with some king of fluffy material and some vinyl on top.

well i took some pictures with my crappy blackberry bold...in the dark but here it is:

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: YellowThumper on August 13, 2015 - 10:32:25 am
Wow a lot of work there...
Good luck with your reconstruction.

Keep this sight open. There is lots of quality information available.  From oem restoration to custom builds
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 13, 2015 - 11:02:16 am
Wow a lot of work there...
Good luck with your reconstruction.

Keep this sight open. There is lots of quality information available.  From oem restoration to custom builds

Be sure I`m having this site as a homepage :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dakota on August 13, 2015 - 04:56:10 pm
I wish you great success on your build. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: ToxicWolf on August 13, 2015 - 09:22:45 pm
That really is a big job.  I think it's great you're taking it on.  :clapping:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on August 14, 2015 - 12:24:02 pm
 :iagree: It's a big job, but in the end it will worth it. We also have the added shipping costs...  :villagers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: mopardave on August 14, 2015 - 05:35:07 pm
Good luck on this project. As mentioned before shipping costs on parts will be an issue. I would think ocean freight to be best and most economical. We have shipped parts or almost whole cars worth of parts all over the world. Closest place we've shipped by Cyprus would be Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabi, Italy.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 15, 2015 - 04:02:53 am
Good luck on this project. As mentioned before shipping costs on parts will be an issue. I would think ocean freight to be best and most economical. We have shipped parts or almost whole cars worth of parts all over the world. Closest place we've shipped by Cyprus would be Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabi, Italy.

Another option would be to ship parts to Romania. There is a small possibility that i will fix the body in there as we don`t really have any real specialists on this island :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: mopardave on August 18, 2015 - 08:47:07 am
true,  good option to have. let us know when your ready if we can assist you.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 19, 2015 - 06:04:19 am
true,  good option to have. let us know when your ready if we can assist you.

Absolutely! I`m getting the metal parts from Germany and most probably, mid next year i will start ordering stuff from USA. i will absolutely need all of your support on this
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on August 31, 2015 - 03:24:26 pm
Hello all,

Finally today i managed to contact the mopar shop from Germany and get an updated quotation for the parts i need. Obviously, the prices are higher as the Dollar got almost to the same lever with the Euro but i will survive. Also, i managed to get my hands on a 900 pages repair manual and a 350 pages body manual.
There is nothing much to say at the moment but i will keep posting once in a while even if nothing happens  :working:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: 70chall440 on August 31, 2015 - 03:27:42 pm
there is tons of information online, especially here. I have owned and worked E bodies since the mid-late 1970's and I still have to jump online to look things up. Manuals are great to have as well; just bought the manuals for my 1973 Cuda 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dutch on August 31, 2015 - 04:15:56 pm
hey BAM  :wave:

keep an eye on ebay.de for Challenger parts.
I dealt with moparshop and that didn`t always make me smile...
I`m not sure if there`s anything closer to you to get parts ( maybe France or Switzerland..? ) But if not I would try Sixpack Speedshop in the Netherlands.
Great to deal with, lots in stock, better prices and you actually get someone on the phone that knows his mopars instead of a friendly girl with a nice voice. 
Good luck with your project  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on September 01, 2015 - 02:38:00 am
hey BAM  :wave:

keep an eye on ebay.de for Challenger parts.
I dealt with moparshop and that didn`t always make me smile...
I`m not sure if there`s anything closer to you to get parts ( maybe France or Switzerland..? ) But if not I would try Sixpack Speedshop in the Netherlands.
Great to deal with, lots in stock, better prices and you actually get someone on the phone that knows his mopars instead of a friendly girl with a nice voice. 
Good luck with your project  :2thumbs:

Dutch, (sorry because it's another thread), does any of these shops sell leaf springs with height, higher than stock? Because I can't get the ESPO leaf springs I want, shipped to Greece from the U.S.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dutch on September 01, 2015 - 04:15:43 am
 :dunno:  give em a call....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on September 05, 2015 - 03:17:23 am
hey BAM  :wave:

keep an eye on ebay.de for Challenger parts.
I dealt with moparshop and that didn`t always make me smile...
I`m not sure if there`s anything closer to you to get parts ( maybe France or Switzerland..? ) But if not I would try Sixpack Speedshop in the Netherlands.
Great to deal with, lots in stock, better prices and you actually get someone on the phone that knows his mopars instead of a friendly girl with a nice voice. 
Good luck with your project  :2thumbs:

Hello Dutch,

Obviously, I`m keeping a eye on ebay but i`m also searching for all the possible shops in Europe. I will be contacting Sixpack one of this days to see what thy have as i cannot find the new parts on their website.

I planned to start buying the major body parts this month but i will not be able due to an unexpected major spending :)

Anyway, today i will visit the car together with my "body guy" which will appraise the work he will need to get done and tell me which parts he needs first.

Will keep you posted on any news
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: bored on September 06, 2015 - 03:50:01 pm
I feel this will be very interesting thread to follow. A lot of work is to be done to this modified RH open-top Challenger  :scared:
Best of luck! It's great that you have committed to it.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on September 08, 2015 - 06:24:04 am
Great news for today :)

i have this car for about 2 years but never actually had it`s documents. Thanks to the police department, we were able to locate the original owner of the car and we found out a beautiful story:

The car was unregistered in 1986 and sold to a mobster which modified it the way it is today. The guy never transferred the car on his name and thanks God for that because he got shot and killed. The LADY that owned the car, used to work for Chrysler 26 years and it was her biggest joy having this car. They removed the engine because they used to fill the tank with Kerosene as it was cheaper and eventually destroyed the engine.

Today when we called the woman, she told us that in the morning she was looking at pictures of her daughter sitting on the car and she busted into tears when she heard why we are calling her.

We will meet the lady this days and hopefully i will get some pictures from back in the 70`s
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dutch on September 08, 2015 - 07:30:14 am
that`s a really cool ... doesn`t get much better  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dfrazz on September 08, 2015 - 07:48:16 am
Great background story on this car!  Can't wait to see pics.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on September 27, 2015 - 01:16:44 pm
Ok, here we go...

We finally met the original owner of the car, had some coffee and listened to the best story ever. They owned also a charger (which i actually tried to buy early this year at a local auction) that they sold 20 years ago, a 1930`s Bugatti which was actually scrapped etc etc etc.

The original engine of my challenger was removed back in the `70s as it got damaged from the kerosene they were using... guess what...this was scrapped also.

Below, a picture with the car back in `74 and the sweet lady owner.

Unfortunately due to size limitation i cannot upload any picture in here....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dutch on September 27, 2015 - 02:10:11 pm
...scrapping a 30`s Bugatti.....  :eek2: :faint: :misbehaving:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: 340challconvert on September 27, 2015 - 07:23:58 pm
I noticed some challenger Special Edition items: the chrome trim on the hood, fenders and doors and outside of the car, the seats look like the optional cloth interior seats.  Was the car an "SE"?
Just curious.  Good luck with the build.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on September 28, 2015 - 01:52:38 am
Yes the car is a SE but the interior was not cloth

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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 04, 2015 - 08:38:51 am
is there any way i can find this part of the rear fenders? I don`t really want to replace the whole thing.

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on November 04, 2015 - 03:02:36 pm
is there any way i can find this part of the rear fenders? I don`t really want to replace the whole thing.
That's a tough one, I haven't seen being sold individually yet. I think you won't find the piece by itself. You could make one if you have a good fabricator - sculptor (an excellent fabricator). But in your shoes, I would change the whole quarter to be on the safe side...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: dutch on November 04, 2015 - 03:06:05 pm
maybe someone who used ht panels for a vert...  :dunno:
I can make it for you but I would need the part that comes out for the shape.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: anlauto on November 04, 2015 - 03:17:39 pm
I would think anybody replacing the whole quarter panel at the factory seams would have that original piece leftover...the one they removed from the car....I can't count how many rusted quarters I've cut off and thrown away where that section was still solid. :2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 05, 2015 - 01:41:18 am
OK, the problem is that bringing the whole rear fenders from USA will cost me a small fortune. i can`t see any shipping method for less than 5-600$ which is just nuts.
I will try to find a way to fabricate them or maybe someone will show up with this 2 for sale or donation (as nobody is using them anyway) :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on November 05, 2015 - 01:06:44 pm
Continue the restoration focusing on other parts of the car, the part may come. BAM are you ordering from Cyprus or Romania? If I order this from Greece, the shipping cost is 370 $

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1971-MOPAR-CHALLENGER-FACTORY-STYLE-QUARTER-PANEL-RH-/170994318247?hash=item27d00e3ba7:g:oacAAOxyQj9RJl7h&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1971-MOPAR-CHALLENGER-FACTORY-STYLE-QUARTER-PANEL-RH-/170994318247?hash=item27d00e3ba7:g:oacAAOxyQj9RJl7h&vxp=mtr)

Doesn't this add show a price?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 05, 2015 - 01:42:24 pm
Continue the restoration focusing on other parts of the car, the part may come. BAM are ordering from Cyprus or Romania? If I order this from Greece, the shipping cost is 370 $

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1971-MOPAR-CHALLENGER-FACTORY-STYLE-QUARTER-PANEL-RH-/170994318247?hash=item27d00e3ba7:g:oacAAOxyQj9RJl7h&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-1971-MOPAR-CHALLENGER-FACTORY-STYLE-QUARTER-PANEL-RH-/170994318247?hash=item27d00e3ba7:g:oacAAOxyQj9RJl7h&vxp=mtr[/url])

Doesn't this add show a price?


it shows 535$ and 175.63$ shipping. no picture but it mentions RH side only
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on November 05, 2015 - 02:10:56 pm
The shipping is less than that in my country. It's far lower than 500$ but the part's price is huge indeed. After all, it's a full quarter panel...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 05, 2015 - 03:00:41 pm
The shipping is less than that in my country. It's far lower than 500$ but the part's price is huge indeed. After all, it's a full quarter panel...

ok, but in this case i can get a new one even cheaper from Germany. anyway...i want to keep as much as possible from the original parts
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 05, 2015 - 03:07:40 pm
Anyway...latest updates:

Because there are no decent garages that can handle a correct restoration here in Cyprus, I decided to open my own garage! i rented a small 60sqm garage and started to get it ready. Obviously, the budget is a problem and I`m moving a bit slow but we are getting there...

I found a great professional that can handle any metal work... the guy has a good background in Australia.

Now, I`m looking to get a used hoist and getting ready the paperwork.

The "beast" is already moved in there and the place is secured.

Will keep you updated with what`s going on in there :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 09, 2015 - 05:49:20 am
Guys, can you please indicate which is the deluxe steering wheel for my 70 SE challenger?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on November 09, 2015 - 12:25:43 pm
Where did you read the description "deluxe steering wheel"? You Challenger came with one of these steering wheels...

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 10, 2015 - 02:27:28 pm
Isn't it referring to the steering wheel?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on November 10, 2015 - 10:33:58 pm
It means two things, first power steering wheel and second that the car was ordered with deluxe hub caps...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on November 11, 2015 - 01:06:34 am
It means two things, first power steering wheel and second that the car was ordered with deluxe hub caps...

which is the 2nd one you showed me above (W11) correct?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on November 12, 2015 - 11:11:17 am
That's correct BAM  :thumbsup: Mine was ordered with the same hub caps  :sadwavey:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on December 15, 2015 - 03:54:33 am
is there any way i can find this part of the rear fenders? I don`t really want to replace the whole thing.

come on guys, can anyone help with this? i want to put back the roof by the end of the year :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 04, 2016 - 03:48:04 am
can someone please tell me what would be the make of the original carburetor? Is it a Halley?

I think the original engine was found but is a bit far from me and the person that found it only gave me a number from the motor which i don`t think is the correct one. The number received is 15426378
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 04, 2016 - 04:29:33 am
can someone please tell me what would be the make of the original carburetor? Is it a Halley?

I think the original engine was found but is a bit far from me and the person that found it only gave me a number from the motor which i don`t think is the correct one. The number received is 15426378

Ignore. the above is the Firing Order of a 4.6l v8 Ford Mustang engine
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 06, 2016 - 07:40:51 am
Guys, I`m gathering some parts and one of them is the wiper switch (3 speed variable) and i already bought 2 of them which don`t actually fit into the panel.

The opening in the metal plate behind the instrument plastic cover is too small for both of this... is there like a smaller switch or i`m doing something wrong?

I already spent 100EUR for this 2 switches and i don`t want to buy another incorrect one...

this is the last one bought
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: anlauto on January 06, 2016 - 07:50:26 am
Only the small bit where the threads are fits through the metal plate, then the nut goes on, then the plate gets screwed to the plastic. That switch looks correct to me  :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 06, 2016 - 08:31:32 am
That's right.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: anlauto on January 06, 2016 - 10:14:17 am
Found this crappy picture on EBay
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 06, 2016 - 10:21:09 am
Only the small bit where the threads are fits through the metal plate, then the nut goes on, then the plate gets screwed to the plastic. That switch looks correct to me  :dunno:

exactly that one doesn't go through. It has the same shape but it`s smaller. i will take some pictures when i get home and post it here
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 06, 2016 - 10:24:04 am
Anyway, parts started arriving so hopefully this month, the roof is going back where it belongs. I already received the roof Braces from Summitauto and waiting for the A pillars from Pop`s classic car parts.

Now, i only need to find someone that does a good quality dustless blasting and a really good professional to weld the parts together...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 06, 2016 - 11:19:36 am
Did you have to buy the whole rear quarters eventually ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 06, 2016 - 01:35:22 pm
No i didn`t. Still hoping to find someone that is parting out a challenger and willing to send me that small bits... i don`t want to buy 2 panels and cut them for that only. The shipping would absolutely destroy me on those
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 06, 2016 - 01:40:04 pm
Bummer... I just saw the new add...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 06, 2016 - 01:47:57 pm
:)  Man, I`m getting crazy in here trying to find suppliers more near to home. This shipping prices are a huge waste of money
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 06, 2016 - 03:24:01 pm
I hear you... spent about 8,5 k euro on the car, 3,5 k went to shipping. Lucky thought I didn't have to buy any sheet metal...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 11, 2016 - 09:26:34 am
Would this be correct for my car? If yes, do i need to spray the middle in blue?

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: anlauto on January 11, 2016 - 10:12:24 am
Does your car have blue interior ? If so then YES and YES.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 11, 2016 - 10:25:51 am
Does your car have blue interior ? If so then YES and YES.

yeah, it came with a blue interior.

thank you for your feedback. i will start bidding on that steering wheel
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: anlauto on January 11, 2016 - 10:27:51 am
I wouldn't pay too much, they are pretty plentiful.....

If fact there's probably a member here taking one out of his car.....

Maybe try a want-ad here  :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 11, 2016 - 11:16:11 am
I wouldn't pay too much, they are pretty plentiful.....

If fact there's probably a member here taking one out of his car.....

Maybe try a want-ad here  :dunno:

How much should i pay for a mint condition one?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: AARTA340 on January 16, 2016 - 11:23:14 pm
I am going to toss out a wild number, anything over $150-175 might be a bit much. Not long ago on ebay was a rim blow that was not all that bad, one small crack, and it went unsold at $55. Another $100 for the center cap from a vendor and you would have a real nice driver steering wheel. I thought about it, but have two hanging on the wall for future projects and did not really want another.

Hope this gets you a starting point on what they may be worth. Hope some others will chime in too for you.   :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: 70chall440 on January 16, 2016 - 11:38:34 pm
Those steering wheels are pretty durable and should cost anywhere from $100 - $200 for something decent. If you want a really nice one then price will be higher. I dont know if you are doing a high end build or a driver, but if you are doing a driver there are other choices like a Tuff wheel. The stock wheels are a bit on the large side so there is that. I personally run tuff wheels on all my Ebodies.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 17, 2016 - 02:29:36 am
Well i guess that the one from ebay asking 2k is out of the question :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: AARTA340 on January 17, 2016 - 02:40:00 am
Being patient is a virtue and a friend to your wallet. Keep looking and wait for a deal! There are lots of them out there, just like Alan said. Good luck on the hunt. :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 17, 2016 - 02:51:04 am
Yes, anyway I`m concentrating on body work now but also, I`m on ebay every day to check for deals on stuff i might need.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 17, 2016 - 05:16:53 am
Being patient is a virtue and a friend to your wallet. Keep looking and wait for a deal! There are lots of them out there, just like Alan said. Good luck on the hunt. :cheers:

 :iagree: Be patient and you'll be rewarded
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger
Post by: BAM on January 20, 2016 - 06:28:30 am
Don`t you just love that moment when you have some more parts delivered and then hate that it fills up most of your mini cooper? :))
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on January 20, 2016 - 11:59:48 am
So you had to move the steering wheel to the other side to make it fit?

Parts fairies are good


Mike
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on January 20, 2016 - 12:28:56 pm
So you had to move the steering wheel to the other side to make it fit?

Parts fairies are good


Mike

Hahaha unfortunately we are driving on the wrong side in here. Love the parts fairy
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: mofish on January 22, 2016 - 11:02:58 am
Just read your thread. I love your project. I have had 2 different Challenger SE cars. It's good that you have the chrome trim on the rear of the hood and back of fenders...those pieces are pricey. Do you have the plug to make you rear window the correct size?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on January 22, 2016 - 11:20:05 am
Thanks.

Yeah, i have most of the things. Only some interior parts missing
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on January 25, 2016 - 07:24:59 am
Guys, I`m about to have someone start working on the car but i have a quick question:

Considering that we will change the A pillars and all 3 roof brace, should we weld the roof structure (with the existing skin on) and remove the skin after? or remove the roof skin, weld the frame, weld the new brace and then the A pillars?

My recommendation to the guy was that he will weld the way it is and then, replace the braces and pillars but he insists that he wants to weld the structure without anything attached to it.

Can someone recommend the order that this should be done?

thank you!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on January 29, 2016 - 04:10:00 am
I`m adding here the photos of the roof cut for future reference :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 29, 2016 - 04:43:16 am
Answering my thought in the other post...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on January 29, 2016 - 05:11:25 am
waiting for it :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 02, 2016 - 01:43:08 pm
OK, i got some work done today. During the long hours at the garage, i was thinking that i really want to punch in the face the one that cut this car and did the bodywork...

So, removed about 0.4kg of body filler from the right door only. Also, i removed from the brace above the windshield, one layer of metal that was added at one point and after working for about 2 hours on removing it, i realized that there is another additional layer before getting to the actual brace which is half rotten through.

If i would have the necessary tools, i believe i would start reattaching the roof structure, A pillars and all 3 braces myself as it doesn't seem to be so difficult...it only needs time and very precise fitment before welding anything on.

Also, i managed to get all the way to the original paint in some spot and after a wet sanding...it really looks amazing :)

Here are some pictures from today
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 05, 2016 - 02:44:14 am
more work done yesterday. Apparently, there is additional metal and body filler everywhere including the A pillars. I will finish removing that metal sheet today and the car will be ready to be welded.

Anyone can tell me how is the A pillar being removed? the base is covered by the side of the firewall (i think). Do we have to remove the firewall in order to change that?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: TelisSE440 on February 05, 2016 - 05:49:29 pm
You won't have to remove the firewall, just drill the spot welds and it's off

https://scottclemons.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/a-pillar-replacement-on-1970-dodge-challenger-restoration/
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 20, 2016 - 03:41:30 pm
OK, unfortunately i have to stop working on the car for a while due to unemployment :)

Will be back on it in a couple of months i hope
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: anlauto on February 20, 2016 - 04:16:14 pm
If you're unemployed then you should have even more time to work on it :drunk: .....Not everything that needs to be done cost money.... :2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: roadman5312 on February 20, 2016 - 04:32:05 pm
If you're unemployed then you should have even more time to work on it :drunk: .....Not everything that needs to be done cost money.... :2cents:
                        :iagree:   Nows the time to get a ton of work done.  And it's good therapy. Don't sit around and mope. Stay busy cleaning, grinding, prepping.   PMA =  positive mental attitude.    :bigsmile:           
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: redo1973 on February 20, 2016 - 08:51:55 pm
Very ambitious project.  There is plenty of cleaning, planning and preparation that does not cost much but patience and focus.  Hang in there.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 21, 2016 - 06:26:17 am
Thanks guys. For sure i will keep working on the small stuff such as chrome parts and so on. I'm moving the car tomorrow from the garange I'm renting to a much cheaper storage room so i will not really be able to work on it directly.

We will see how this one goes but I'm sure i will restart working on it very soon.

In regards to my job, I have offers but I'm still waiting for the proper one:) i need more $$$ for the car
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on February 23, 2016 - 05:06:41 pm
Best wishes on speedy (correct) new job.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on February 23, 2016 - 06:53:46 pm

In regards to my job, I have offers but I'm still waiting for the proper one:) i need more $$$ for the car

Wise man... It can be a two side sword, hate to miss a good opportunity but jumping on the first job that comes along means you may miss the biggest opportunity of your life...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: roadman5312 on February 23, 2016 - 06:57:07 pm
Wise man... It can be a two side sword, hate to miss a good opportunity but jumping on the first job that comes along means you may miss the biggest opportunity of your life...
                              :iagree:   However, on the other hand I found out in life it's easier to get a better job when your already working. But that was in the old days.   :walkaway:       :rebel:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 25, 2016 - 04:36:35 am
well...let`s see. I have a skype interview on Monday with some people that are looking to open a new brokerage firm in Cyprus. I hope it will work out :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on February 29, 2016 - 06:09:51 pm
Good luck...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: usraptr on March 02, 2016 - 10:29:00 pm
Good luck with your interview!  I don't think I've ever seen that much bondo in a single car.  Good luck!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 27, 2016 - 07:07:04 am
OK, new ob, new beginnings!

I have been working on cleaning, polishing, etc, some of the parts that i have stored into my DIY shed :) I kept myself busy during the unemployment period with moving from my old apartment, relocating the challenger, relocating all the parts that i have, building the shed for this ones, assembling furniture at my mother in law`s house (where my wife and I moved), etc etc etc

It will take me about 1-2 months to get back on track and restart the parts hunting.

Long story short...I`m happy to be back :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: dfrazz on March 27, 2016 - 09:30:50 am
OK, new ob, new beginnings!
Long story short...I`m happy to be back :)

Congrats!  Nothing like a fresh start!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 28, 2016 - 02:40:41 am
A friend of mine found some pictures of the car from the early 80`s
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 28, 2016 - 09:12:38 pm
Hey Alex,

Are you still looking for the top portion of the quarter panels? I'm replacing both mine so those may be available. The only thing is that the portion that helps form the rear window channel has some rust damage. However, I'm sure they are repairable, if I can get them from the shop that is working on my car. I can inquire if you are interested.

Chris
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on March 29, 2016 - 12:37:35 am
She looks like she lived a hard life..
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 29, 2016 - 02:19:16 am
Hey Alex,

Are you still looking for the top portion of the quarter panels? I'm replacing both mine so those may be available. The only thing is that the portion that helps form the rear window channel has some rust damage. However, I'm sure they are repairable, if I can get them from the shop that is working on my car. I can inquire if you are interested.

Chris

Hello. Yes i still need those but can you please send me some pictures please? If they are rougher than mine, is no point shipping them.

Thank you
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 29, 2016 - 06:10:44 am
Hello. Yes i still need those but can you please send me some pictures please? If they are rougher than mine, is no point shipping them.

Thank you

It may take a couple weeks to get the parts back and photograph them.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 29, 2016 - 06:12:29 am
It may take a couple weeks to get the parts back and photograph them.

Not a problem at all because I'm not in a rush. The car is currently in storage and I'm just collecting some parts :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on March 31, 2016 - 05:08:04 pm
Welcome back. Glad things are working out for you
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 01, 2016 - 05:41:48 pm
Not a problem at all because I'm not in a rush. The car is currently in storage and I'm just collecting some parts :)

Sorry Alex, the quarter sections will not be any good. Hope you can find an alternative source.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 07, 2016 - 02:56:48 am
Sorry Alex, the quarter sections will not be any good. Hope you can find an alternative source.

No problem. I will find somewhere else eventually :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 07, 2016 - 08:35:57 am
And finally I ordered the roof skin (by mistake) :)

A bit pricey but i think that this summer, it`s going to get on the car
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 12, 2016 - 10:17:48 am
Ok, the order was canceled and refunded by the seller as the cost of shipping ia way higher than what he initially asked for. So...still no roof skin for me...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on April 13, 2016 - 12:41:30 am
 :hyper: :swear:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 13, 2016 - 12:10:24 pm
Are you still in need of auto shifter parts?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 13, 2016 - 12:14:39 pm
Condition, pictures and price please. Sure if it's a good deal, I'll take it :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 13, 2016 - 12:59:50 pm
Condition, pictures and price please. Sure if it's a good deal, I'll take it :)

I'll take some tonight. Price wont be much beacuse the shifter is not new and I realize shipping is a lot.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 13, 2016 - 07:30:46 pm
Condition, pictures and price please. Sure if it's a good deal, I'll take it :)

Which pieces would you need? I believe the second photo is a duplicate rod but with an extra piece. I can send some better photos if you need them.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: anlauto on April 13, 2016 - 10:22:08 pm
In those pictures you're missing the vertical shaft that connects the shifter, goes through the floor, then connects to the transmission. :2cents:

I'd be interested in the column lock-out linkage if BAM is not.... :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 14, 2016 - 08:23:44 am
In those pictures you're missing the vertical shaft that connects the shifter, goes through the floor, then connects to the transmission. :2cents:

I'd be interested in the column lock-out linkage if BAM is not.... :bigsmile:

I may have some more pieces but I need to look. The vertical piece has the rubber boot on it, correct? If so, I have that too.
I'll keep you posted on the column lockout piece.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 14, 2016 - 08:30:26 pm
Another piece that goes with the shifter linkage
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 18, 2016 - 02:36:34 am
sorry for the late reply. If this is complete, please tell me the price and quote me a shipping fee for:

Country: Cyprus
City: Limassol
Postal Code: 3086

thanks
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 18, 2016 - 12:41:54 pm
sorry for the late reply. If this is complete, please tell me the price and quote me a shipping fee for:

Country: Cyprus
City: Limassol
Postal Code: 3086

thanks
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 28, 2016 - 10:14:35 am
Did anyone buy anything from http://www.c2cfabrication.com/ (http://www.c2cfabrication.com/) ? as i understood, they are fabricating their own panels and they have really good prices. For example, i can get my much desired roof skin for about 330$ and another 500$ shipping which is decent.

So, if anyone knows anything about their reproduction panels, please let me know if it`s worth buying from them.

thank you in advance
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on April 28, 2016 - 11:08:12 am
C2C stuff is fine for floor patches but a roof skin needs to fit right & look right....  I wouldn't suggest their stuff for any exterior panel...

I don't envy trying to build such a rough car in Cyprus, getting parts shipped is gonna get pricey... I think you need to either try to get everything shipped as a package, maybe find someone who ships containers ideally to Cyprus but really anywhere in the Med & might have some space to some fill...

Or track down a parts car thats already in Europe....  Which I know is a tough challenge....

Either way Good Luck...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on April 28, 2016 - 11:49:23 am
Never heard of them, but any roof is probably better than what you got now. I just went back and looked at your pictures; I don't think there is anyway to salvage what you have unless you can find (or you are yourself) an old school sheet metal guy with hours to burn. In the US we get spoiled by being able to just order something (and then are pissed when we have to wait); however I have seen things like complete fenders, door skins, etc hand built in Asia to the point you would be hard pressed to identify it as non original. Not saying it would be easy, but I think it could be done. Since it is a SE, you are going to put vinyl over it anyway, so as long as the contour it there you could probably make out. If I were in your shoes I would try anything, because it not like you have a lot of options. That said, you could also try and find a freight forwarder in the US that would move a roof skin and then find a dealer who would work with the forwarder or even an individual who would take delivery and hand it off. Shipping would be expensive but this is your journey....  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 28, 2016 - 02:27:24 pm
Well, check this one out :)

Also, instead of trying to find someone to repair the existing skin, isn't it easier to work/adjust a new roof panel? I mean, the one i have is almost nonexistent...there is not a single place where someone can weld :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on April 28, 2016 - 10:48:45 pm
If yours is too gone, then you have little choice. Do you have the inner roof supports? Without them, no roof skin is going to fit. Guess you could just make a permanent convertible out of it, I have seen a few of these and while I wouldn't want one or do that to a car, in your case it might be an option.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 29, 2016 - 04:23:17 am
No way to make it convertible. I have the structure of the roof, those 3 braces, A pillars etc. i only need the skin now in order to send the car to a body shop. In fact I'm having one super great panel beater coming from Romania on 25th of may and i still dont have the roof :))
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on April 29, 2016 - 12:15:36 pm
good luck  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on May 05, 2016 - 03:45:50 pm
OK...someone just found me here in Cyprus a Chrysler engine but the problem is that it`s a marine engine...

I have a photo of the serial number and model (if someone can give more info about this engine).

The biggest question is:

If this is a 318, good price, good condition, can it be used on my car?

As far as i understood from my web searches, this engines rotate opposite?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AARTA340 on May 06, 2016 - 07:17:45 pm
Unless the boat/vessel had a closed cooling system, the motor may be riddled with salt corrosion in the water passages. If it was not a closed system, I would pass at any price.  Knowing how hard and expensive it is to get  a motor to where you are, if it is a keeper, I would take a WAG and say $500. hopefully you will get some others to chime in Bam.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AU6pack on May 07, 2016 - 01:10:12 am
Bam I live in Australia and shipping parts is a killer for me too. Especially when you start talking panels and bulky items.

The guy who I used to import my car from the U.S. also imported boats and jet skis which means shipping containers. He ships out of California so over a few years I started collecting the parts I needed including trunk floor, a new hood and other parts. I would buy them from various vendors and he would revive stuff and consolidate all the items into a container when he had enough for a full shipment. Sea freight is very cheap especially when you need sheet metal.

Maybe you could find someone who imports from the U.S. regularly and get the parts you need sea freight? Only issue is you need to come up with the $$$ upfront to buy as much stuff as possible in the shipment.

Freight costs can kill a project or serverly damped your enthusiasm!!!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on May 07, 2016 - 03:37:54 am
OK, i guess i will start saving and get everything i need into a shared container. However, i posted on uship.com a request of shipping from Georgia USA to cyprus and if i get a good rate i will get the roof skin. Some time ago, i got a quote for shipping an engine and gearbox for 800$ or something like this
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on May 07, 2016 - 10:56:52 am
On the reverse rotation, most engines were std rotation, the reverse rotation was used in dual engine applications with one RH & one LH rotation engine so they cancel out the effect of torque on the boat stability..... Chances are it's std rotation.... If you can get a shot of the timing marks on the front damper that would tell the story... Or find someone that can decipher the model number.... A marine engine manual should explain that...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: spamtank on May 07, 2016 - 12:04:40 pm
On the reverse rotation, most engines were std rotation, the reverse rotation was used in dual engine applications with one RH & one LH rotation engine so they cancel out the effect of torque on the boat stability..... Chances are it's std rotation.... If you can get a shot of the timing marks on the front damper that would tell the story... Or find someone that can decipher the model number.... A marine engine manual should explain that...

Otherwise, if it is reverse rotation, you can flip the rear end over.

That will give you 4 speeds in reverse, and a car really pulls hard going forward in one gear.   :stirpot:  :bigsmile:  :roflsmiley:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on May 07, 2016 - 12:16:26 pm
On the reverse rotation, most engines were std rotation, the reverse rotation was used in dual engine applications with one RH & one LH rotation engine so they cancel out the effect of torque on the boat stability..... Chances are it's std rotation.... If you can get a shot of the timing marks on the front damper that would tell the story... Or find someone that can decipher the model number.... A marine engine manual should explain that...

Actually i confirmed with the guy that it rotates towards right as he has the other engine also. He also started the engine and changes water pumn, distributor, etc. the only problem is that now he is asking 1500Ä which is about 5 times more what it's worth paying for this 318... I guess i will pass
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on May 27, 2016 - 11:54:00 am
OK guys, I`m ready to order all the metal sheet for my car. part of them, I will get them from themoparshop.com and part of them from rockauto.com:

themoparshop:

- roof skin (they don`t specify who`s the manufacturer)
- rear flor pan LH (again, they don`t mention who`s manufacturing them)

On the above, please share some reviews if you ever bought such parts from them.

Rockauto.com:

- trunk floor left side from SHERMAN
- trunk floor right from SHERMAN
- both trunk extension panels from SHERMAN
- trunk floor brace (as i know, i need 2 pieces so please correct me if I`m wrong) from GOODMARK
- L&R quarter patches from GOODMARK
- L&R fender lower rear section from SHERMAN
- Cowl top panel from SHERMAN

Also, please give some reviews on this ones if you can. I don`t want to buy and the having to buy other ones because the shipping is a killer for me.

Also, from the pictures, if you think i missed anything, please let me know :)

PS: all of the above are going to be a birthday gift from my wife so...I do have the best wife in the world officially :))
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: nicka on May 27, 2016 - 12:41:50 pm
I bought a trunk floor from Sherman's back in the late 90's, but from what I recall, they were the only game in town.
No issues.

Opa!

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: usraptr on May 27, 2016 - 03:30:29 pm
AMD probably has the best fitting panels of all.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: anlauto on May 27, 2016 - 03:35:56 pm
ALL Sherman sheet metal is garbage :2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AARTA340 on May 27, 2016 - 06:11:31 pm
Hi BAM, good to see you still making some progress on the car. I am thinking the shipping will be more than the metal, so with that in mind, I would get the best of the products available. I had a talk with Dave from Roseville and he sells AMD and Goodmark as well. I am in need of the upper cowl and AMD is out and he said the quality of the Goodmark is quite good as well, so that is probably what I will do. I bought a Sherman outer wheel house for some patch pieces, but will probably not use it, as it just did not measure up to the original very well.

As far as the trunk pan goes, if you buy a Goodmark, I would buy Goodmark bottom braces as well.

Good luck with your purchase and keeps us informed on how it goes.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on May 28, 2016 - 05:32:41 am
Hi all. I would prefer to buy AMD but the websites selling AMD and not really shipping to Cyprus. This 2 have no problem shipping anything in here. I will contact themoparsgop.com and see what's the actual brand of the parts. If they sell AMD, i will just take everything from there.

Thank you guys for the reviews, i guess i will continue researching instead of buying garbage.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 02, 2016 - 08:01:24 am
What`s the difference between an Screw-on upper cowl and a Clip-on Upper cowl? Also, how do i find out which one i need? :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: anlauto on June 02, 2016 - 08:07:19 am
What`s the difference between an Screw-on upper cowl and a Clip-on Upper cowl? Also, how do i find out which one i need? :)

It's referring to the upper cowl vent screens. In 1970-71 they screwed on, while in 1972-74 they clipped on. :2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 02, 2016 - 08:15:03 am
It's referring to the upper cowl vent screens. In 1970-71 they screwed on, while in 1972-74 they clipped on. :2cents:

thank you!

As an update, I`m still waiting for themoparshop.com to reply my e-mail saying who is manufacturing the parts they are selling. As you guys said, there is no point paying about 3000$ on a bunch of parts that are going to be rubbish.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 02, 2016 - 10:00:59 am
as an ignition, would the below NOS part be correct for my car given it had the light pack?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 02, 2016 - 10:02:27 am
Also, does this flip top gas cap look original to you?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on June 02, 2016 - 11:50:47 am
The Mopar Shop is Ed out of Madara Ca, best way to reach him is by phone, it always goes to his answering service but stay on the line he'll pick up shortly...  00 1(559) 645-7243  Probably best to call between 7-10 PM Cyprus time  That'll be 9 am to noon his time...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: nicka on June 02, 2016 - 12:50:12 pm
I've seen a late model 71 barracuda with a clip on upper cowl vent screen.  Maybe already made the transition over?  You would think the screw in type would be better.  Wonder why the conversion over?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 02, 2016 - 02:57:17 pm
@Wild RT - Thank you, I called Ed (which sounds like a really good guy) and he will actually try to find me a better price for shipping. Also, he pointed out which are the AMD parts on his website.

@nicka - I remembered that my one has the vents screwed up and not clipped so it`s not a mystery for me anymore :)

Hopefully i will have all of the metal sheet ordered by tomorrow from ED.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on June 05, 2016 - 12:55:25 pm
@Wild RT - Thank you, I called Ed (which sounds like a really good guy) and he will actually try to find me a better price for shipping. Also, he pointed out which are the AMD parts on his website.

@nicka - I remembered that my one has the vents screwed up and clipped so it`s not a mystery for me anymore :)

Hopefully i will have all of the metal sheet ordered by tomorrow from ED.

Did you place the order? If so, what did you end up getting? Did you decide on someone to do panel replacement?
It will be great to see some new sheetmetal on your car.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 05, 2016 - 03:01:37 pm
I didn't place the order yet as I'm waiting for Ed to get me a shipping quotation. Most probably i will order tomorrow.

I decided to go with a cousin of my wife as they have good background in restorations but never worked on an American classic.

Today i finished building my sandblasting cabin and maybe next week i will start with some of the parts i have. The only problem is the small compressor I'm using :) it will take time but it will get me there.

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 06, 2016 - 05:14:55 am
quick question...do i also need to order drip rails? If yes, the complete set has 2 pieces or 4? Damn, so much metal coming to Cyprus :) Thank you America for being there and making great cars !
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AARTA340 on June 06, 2016 - 08:09:47 pm
If you ordered a new roof, you will need the drip rails for a Challenger. I believe each side consist of two each.  :2cents:

just looked, Cuda is a four piece and Challenger is a two piece set.

 http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-70-74-challenger-drip-rails-sold-as-a-pair-p-4695.html (http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-70-74-challenger-drip-rails-sold-as-a-pair-p-4695.html)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 07, 2016 - 03:13:07 am
If you ordered a new roof, you will need the drip rails for a Challenger. I believe each side consist of two each.  :2cents:

just looked, Cuda is a four piece and Challenger is a two piece set.

 [url]http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-70-74-challenger-drip-rails-sold-as-a-pair-p-4695.html[/url] ([url]http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-70-74-challenger-drip-rails-sold-as-a-pair-p-4695.html[/url])


great! Thank you
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 07, 2016 - 04:49:27 am
another thing. Does anyone have some pictures/video of replacing the upper cowl and floor pan section (middle left). I`m asking for this because as soon as I will receive parts, the car will go to the body shop and i want to make sure that everything is being done the way it has to be done...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 07, 2016 - 08:47:02 am
OK, most of the metal sheet is on it`s way to Cyprus  :woohoo: :bananasmi  except the Roof skin for which I`m waiting for some replies from themoparshop.com and C2Cfabrication.com. If bought from C2C, I will end up buying many more things as the shipping is about 400$ comparing to themoparshop.com where the shipping for the skin only will be about 900$.

Anyway, if no answer from any of them, i will just proceed with buying it from Ed and pay the 1500$ for the damn skin  :swear: :stomp: :screwy: :banghead:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on June 07, 2016 - 05:08:07 pm
Congratulations on the purchases. And wow you have to be really determined based on your cost requirements.

Best of luck on your progress.

Mike
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AARTA340 on June 07, 2016 - 07:13:18 pm
OK, most of the metal sheet is on it`s way to Cyprus  :woohoo: :bananasmi  except the Roof skin for which I`m waiting for some replies from themoparshop.com and C2Cfabrication.com. If bought from C2C, I will end up buying many more things as the shipping is about 400$ comparing to themoparshop.com where the shipping for the skin only will be about 900$.

Anyway, if no answer from any of them, i will just proceed with buying it from Ed and pay the 1500$ for the damn skin  :swear: :stomp: :screwy: :banghead:

Good news Bam. You should see if Ed has a dash frame that he can include with your metal order.  If you still need one, and can figure out how to get it there at a cost that you can handle, I still have the one that I said you can have. The shipping is just crazy stupid. If I was closer to CA where he is, I would drop it off with him and see if he could include it.


Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 08, 2016 - 01:28:56 am
He cannot include additional items as the package is at the upper weight limit for international shipping :)

There is one guy that imported an rt here in cyprus and he has a bunch of parts including the dashboard buy he is not selling anything. He said i can have the parts if i buy the car also :)

So if there is any way you cam find a cheapper shipping for yous...i will be more than happy to offer it a new body to hang on to. :))
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AARTA340 on June 08, 2016 - 01:50:11 am
Can you see where/how Ed is shipping. I used UPS/FedEx and it was horrendous.   :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 08, 2016 - 02:16:42 am
Well, Ed`s way of shipping is a bit expensive. I ordered some large stuff from summit and the shipping was more than decent. They are using DHL Express, FedEx Economy, UPS Expedited and UPS Saver.

IF you have the time to ask for a quotation, I would be grateful.

At one point i need to buy an engine and transmission which most probably i will bring via some shipping company so maybe i will add extra things then.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 10, 2016 - 05:20:13 am
And a new AMD roof skin is on it`s way to Cyprus. I hope to finish the metal work this summer
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on June 10, 2016 - 09:40:26 am
And a new AMD roof skin is on it`s way to Cyprus. I hope to finish the metal work this summer

As you've heard this a time or two, post lot of pics and updates. Glad to hear your resto is about to take off.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 10, 2016 - 09:47:19 am
I will post MANY pics as soon as the parts are here and the restoration really begins. I was thinking to take the car for a dustless blasting but i guess there is no point as it will become rusty again until i will have the pasts for it. Maybe it will take a month or more to get them.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: wiging19 on June 21, 2016 - 01:20:27 am
I own a SE convertible that came with a 318.  Interesting read so far.  Please keep posting as things develop.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 26, 2016 - 06:08:25 am
As I`m still waiting for parts (and i will keep waiting until September maybe), I`m doing small things. Cleaned, primer, pain and clear coated some small parts, started polishing out some of the chrome trim, etc. The only problem is the crazy weather (40-45 Celsius) so things are moving slowly  :naughty:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on June 26, 2016 - 12:29:18 pm
I own a SE convertible that came with a 318.  Interesting read so far.  Please keep posting as things develop.

No such thing..... Challenger SE cares a VIN JX29XXX     A convertible carries a VIN of JX27XXX    you can't have both... You can have a convertible with allot of options but that doesn't make it an SE...  Someone can add Special Edition inserts to the door panels but again not an SE....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on June 27, 2016 - 02:26:35 am
No such thing..... Challenger SE cares a VIN JX29XXX     A convertible carries a VIN of JX27XXX    you can't have both... You can have a convertible with allot of options but that doesn't make it an SE...  Someone can add Special Edition inserts to the door panels but again not an SE....

 :iagree: Maybe they made it convertible using the same method used on mine? :screwy: Or maybe someone changed some fender tag/vin number over the years?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AU6pack on July 11, 2016 - 02:32:29 am
Hi BAM it might be worth doing a bit more investigation before pouring a ton of money into... Will be still a great machine either way though I'm sure. I feel your pain with freight charges  :scared:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on July 11, 2016 - 02:59:35 am
What to investigate?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on July 12, 2016 - 02:49:59 am
Did anyone install this LED lights on a challenger? Does it worth buying them considering that it will cost me about 400$ ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: brads70 on July 12, 2016 - 06:06:01 am
I've had those in mine for a few years now. I like them MUCH brighter.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on July 12, 2016 - 07:59:08 am
I've had those in mine for a few years now. I like them MUCH brighter.  :2thumbs:

thanks. do you have any before and after pictures?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on July 18, 2016 - 01:06:11 pm
OK, finally I started receiving stuff. Small but good enough to cheer me up for today :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on July 20, 2016 - 08:34:01 pm
Awsome. Small details are still details...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on August 10, 2016 - 12:40:44 pm
and FedEx took the fast shipping to another level :)

Also, anyone knows why the AMD upper cowl has this Chinese written label inside the box? :)

Waiting for the roof, trunk floor and extensions and other small items to arrive and the car is going to :working:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: AU6pack on August 11, 2016 - 01:43:10 am
Thats exciting when things start turning up BAM! Woo hoo
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: moprr on August 11, 2016 - 08:27:43 am
You can see videos of the led tail lights online.  They seem nice and bright.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on August 11, 2016 - 01:18:36 pm
and FedEx took the fast shipping to another level :)

Also, anyone knows why the AMD upper cowl has this Chinese written label inside the box? :)

Waiting for the roof, trunk floor and extensions and other small items to arrive and the car is going to :working:

I believe the AMD panels are stamped in Taiwan, hence the Chinese writing. Despite what many people think or want to believe, it is very difficult and costly to try and get panels for a relatively small market made in the US for a decent price. Good companies (like AMD) that get stuff made off shore institute good QC to ensure the parts coming in actually are to spec and fit.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on August 14, 2016 - 04:09:39 am
the greatest thing would be to have AMD expanding their business in Europe also. for us, it gets even more expensive to buy body panels if they are stamping them somewhere in Asia, ship them over to USA, pay import taxes, send to Europe, pay import taxes, etc.

anyway, as soon as the roof skin arrives, i will get the car sandblasted and ready for the bodyshop. will see then how everything will fit.

my only concern about all this is that the roof skin was repackaged because the package from AMD  was damaged as per Ed at themoparshop.com. so, i really hope it will actually be a real AMD skin
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on September 16, 2016 - 03:54:23 am
And finally, a roof skin arrived. I don`t think it`s an AMD but at this point, anything is good. I hope it will fit well because otherwise, i have a 1700$ piece of metal...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: anlauto on September 16, 2016 - 06:21:38 am
It's from Dynacorn, the company that makes the complete shells. You shouldn't have any problems :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: mopardave on September 16, 2016 - 08:53:20 am
you will be able to tell by the label on the part.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on September 16, 2016 - 09:41:31 am
thanks guys, i opened the box slightly and seen an AMD sticker on the skin so i`m guessing it`s an AMD after all...

will see when the time will come to install it.

For the moment, i will send the car out to the body shop without sandblasting the whole thing. The plan is to get whatever i have installed, so i can clear up some space in my tiny shed and the, start getting the rear parts.

Now, I want to get on it the roof, together with the 3 new roof braces i have, the upper cowl section that is rotten out completely, the rotten section of the rear floor and other smaller stuff. At a later stage, i will get the car sandblasted com a rotisserie, see what else needs to be repaired or replaced and order everything altogether. I was hoping to get the body work done by the end of this year but it`s not possible due to budget issues.

I`m hoping that body wise, only the trunk floor and maybe extensions will still have to be acquired for finishing the body work but with this rust bucket...you never know.

I`m having the engine and transmission on the way due to the kindness of a fellow mopar enthusiast here on the forum and this will be completely overhauled during this winter as a home project.

All this said...I hope to see some work done on my car so it will motivate me to keep going :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on September 16, 2016 - 05:08:49 pm
Seeing things finally going on instead of coming off is a big motivator.
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on September 29, 2016 - 02:08:36 pm
So, finally i had the people from the body shop coming over to see the car again and the parts i got. They are ready to start working on the car as soon as i get it sandblasted AND get the below piece (both sides). I`m 99% sure i cannot buy a new repair panel and i don`t really want to spend $2000 on getting new quarter panels in order to cut this little piece from it.

So, if someone is changing their quarters or changed them and planing to throw the old ones, please do a nice thing for me :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on October 07, 2016 - 12:43:08 pm
So, finally i had the people from the body shop coming over to see the car again and the parts i got. They are ready to start working on the car as soon as i get it sandblasted AND get the below piece (both sides). I`m 99% sure i cannot buy a new repair panel and i don`t really want to spend $2000 on getting new quarter panels in order to cut this little piece from it.

So, if someone is changing their quarters or changed them and planing to throw the old ones, please do a nice thing for me :)

Are you sure the rest of your quarter panes are in good shape? Not only did I have a partially rotted rear window channel, but the bottom portion that meets up with the drop off was filled with bondo and I could sight down the side and see the main body line curved slightly inward. I ended up replacing the quarters on my car. If you have not had them stripped yet, just know that there could be more issues than just the sail panel, but hopefully they are still basically solid on your car.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 07, 2016 - 12:50:32 pm
Are you sure the rest of your quarter panes are in good shape? Not only did I have a partially rotted rear window channel, but the bottom portion that meets up with the drop off was filled with bondo and I could sight down the side and see the main body line curved slightly inward. I ended up replacing the quarters on my car. If you have not had them stripped yet, just know that there could be more issues than just the sail panel, but hopefully they are still basically solid on your car.

i will not actually do anything with the back of the car for the moment. I need this piece in order to have a clue where the roof should go. I really need this piece to be in good condition because if the quarters will need more patches (lower part for example) i will get get the patches or the whole lower part of the panels.

The biggest problems are the shipping and import taxes in here because otherwise i would have bought all the body panels including fenders and bonnet. I need to have in mind that this car will not worth too much when it will be ready and i don`t want to do a really really bad investment. The quarters alone would set me back approx. 2k USD which is ridiculous considering that the shipping and taxes are more than the actual panels. Just to point out an example, i got the roof skin for about 600USD and i paid another 1100EUR in shipping and tax...that`s more than double the purchase price :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: brads70 on October 07, 2016 - 01:57:43 pm
Wow I thought we had it bad here in Canada ....... :-\
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 17, 2016 - 11:48:24 am
And it`s finally here after a very long struggle with the custom clearance...

Thank you Dough!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on October 17, 2016 - 08:34:40 pm
Very good for you.

Definately some serious dedication with what you have to deal with.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 18, 2016 - 02:13:24 am
Well, toys have to be taken care of. Now, I will have to put away the whole project for a while and I would like to know how it`s the best way to store the engine. Should I fill it up with oil considering that it`s drained completely or just a bit of oil into the spark plug holes?

Also, should i put a battery on it and try to turn it over?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 16, 2017 - 08:57:17 am
OK, so I`m getting ready to restart my build. I already started working on some of the existing parts such as bumper brackets and stuff like that. Also, I decided that I will try to do most of the metal work under the direct supervision of a qualified person :) I want to do this for my own satisfaction (and to brag about it later to my friends :))
 Will get back with some photos as soon as i have any significant progress

STILL LOOKING FOR those quarter panel patches if anyone can help

Also, can someone tell me if this piece is supposed to be here? I`m thinking that it`s a later addition:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on February 16, 2017 - 11:14:17 am
you need to take that photo again with a light somewhere in the building..
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: rhamson on February 16, 2017 - 12:28:03 pm
" i don`t want to do a really really bad investment." Unless it is some sort of very rare and highly optioned car it is always a bad investment. You will never get back what you put into it. Look at it this way. There is an old car sales quote I always remember when I think about the investment topic and that is you make your money when you buy the car. The bright side is the satisfaction of completing the car and driving it and having it just as you wish it to be.
 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 16, 2017 - 01:29:46 pm
" i don`t want to do a really really bad investment." Unless it is some sort of very rare and highly optioned car it is always a bad investment. You will never get back what you put into it. Look at it this way. There is an old car sales quote I always remember when I think about the investment topic and that is you make your money when you buy the car. The bright side is the satisfaction of completing the car and driving it and having it just as you wish it to be.

Don't really care now. Just want to get it done and enjoy it for a long time. I have another project that i want to get done for the value only
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 08, 2017 - 06:39:43 am
A bit of help here please. So, this is the rear floor section removed. I see a transmission support welded directly to the front section of the floor. Is that supposed to be there or i cut it of? :)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170308/d47495a0e7b5217daf91cd5f9c635c71.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170308/996da9a4c827c9e25b08d68c23466dc4.jpg)



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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: TelisSE440 on March 08, 2017 - 01:12:54 pm
Cut it off... I'm curious to see what they did downside. They made a newer type driveshaft perhaps...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: TelisSE440 on March 08, 2017 - 01:16:50 pm
All pretty much end there... Everything else is a butcher's job
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 11, 2017 - 05:37:03 am
O, I removed that section of the floor that had a bracket welded to it and fabricated a patch for it. I cleaned and zinc primed the area where the new floor will be welded but I didn't install it yet as I`m still thinking if the front floor should be changed also considering that the transmission tunnel was butched also and a huge hump was welded on it to make room for the Mercedes manual transmission. The guy helping me, said it`s not difficult to fabricate that bit of the transmission tunnel so it`s better to keep the original floor in as it`s not rusted.

Meanwhile, I started the preparation for reattaching the roof frame to the car. I removed all that fiberglass that was on it and this is what is left :)

Should I go ahead and give it few spots of welding to keep the frame in place and then to remove what`s left from the old skin or remove the old skin and then put the frame in position and weld it? My concern is that the braces that hold the frame in place are rotten and if I remove the skin, I will lose the geometry completely. Now, the frame is almost in place except for the upper corner on the driver side which does not align perfectly. So in this case, I thought that the A pillar is off but after measuring everything, I realized that everything is correct which makes me believe that the actual cut was made "wrong".

Anyway, I have a specialist coming over today to do some extra measurements and give me some feedback/advice on how to proceed.

Also, I think it`s a good idea to send out the fenders and hood to get blasted, patched and primed as I`m not ready to undertake this task :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 12, 2017 - 05:21:36 am
Ok, so the "specialists" (3 of them) advised me to start with the chassis. I explained them that there is no chassis on a unibody but they insisted that there is and it`s not visible. Anyway, as I cannot work on an invisible chassis, can you guys give me an opinion here?

I`m thinking to weld the roof frame in a few spots just to hold it into position, remove the roof skin, change the A pillars, roof braces, sand blast, attach the roof rails and roof skin.

Can someone please advise if this is the correct thing to do on this car? I also have to mention that on the driver side, there is splitting into the roof frame with a couple of holes (I`m thinking that this can be cut and patched as it`s only the outer part).
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: usraptr on March 12, 2017 - 06:24:32 pm
While I'm not a body man, I would definitely recommend welding some bracing to the roof structure before removing the skin, etc and replacing everything.  I can't believe they actually used fiberglass to repair the roof panel.  Talk about a hack job.  I would have to doubt the credit-ability of your three "specialists" if they can't tell a uni-body car from one with a separate frame.   :clueless: :wow:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 17, 2017 - 05:51:57 am
ok, the skin is of except a piece in the back to hold the thing together a bit. Unfortunately, there is splitting into the front section of the roof frame and i don`t know if i should even attempt to fabricate patches or just give up and try to find a replacement...

Today i will remove the A pillars and try to get the new ones in together with the roof braces

some suggestions are highly appreciated
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on March 21, 2017 - 12:41:26 am
I suggest that you only minimally tack everything together. You have such a huge project that I would have to belive has warped already. Get the structures where you believe they belong. Front to back and side to side. Don't be afraid of jacking and putting upward pressurr in the center of car to allow it to spread outward. With all structures in place also hang your doors. I would even go as far as placing all the side glass in with gaskets in as well to see it all will line up.

Mike
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 22, 2017 - 04:07:00 am
I suggest that you only minimally tack everything together. You have such a huge project that I would have to belive has warped already. Get the structures where you believe they belong. Front to back and side to side. Don't be afraid of jacking and putting upward pressurr in the center of car to allow it to spread outward. With all structures in place also hang your doors. I would even go as far as placing all the side glass in with gaskets in as well to see it all will line up.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Fortunately, the car is not warped as I already did all the possible measurements, installed the glass, the doors are lining absolutely perfect and the front fenders also.

I`m having another question for those of you that changed the roof braces and specially the front one where the windshield is mounted on. Is the new reproduction from AMD slightly longer than the original? I`m having about 1cm extra in the lower part and the top aligns good. Also, the A pillar skin will go in before the brace or after? about 4" of the a pillar will enter the roof structure under the roof rails, correct?

Also, :) the A pillar goes under the upper cowl about 1'?

I`m asking all this because there are too many patches in there to understand which is which. Today I will try to finish removing the passenger A pillar skin and hopefully start welding. Will get back with some photos when i get to the garage.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 22, 2017 - 08:52:49 am


I did not have the front brace replaced so I don't know about the fit-up of this part but the shop did replace the A-pillars and it appears it tucks under the front piece according to this photo. I can post some other shots of this area later tonight if you think that will help.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 22, 2017 - 12:09:30 pm
that`s absolutely perfect.yes please add another 1-2 pics please and if possible to tell me what`s the length of that brace on both sides.

sorry, i forgot my mobile home today and i didn't take any pics...

today i finished removing the pillars, i welded the roof frame in one corner only where i just had a perfect alignment and i will do it tomorrow to the other front corner :)

i need to fabricate patches for the upper part where the door hinges meet the body as the 1st layer is gone...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 22, 2017 - 03:53:51 pm
A few more
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 22, 2017 - 03:55:42 pm
In the first two photos, you can see that the A-pillar is located under both the lower and upper cowl layers. The last photo is taken from inside the car looking toward the windshield. The brace tucks behind the corner structure about an inch. If your corner structure is in tact, you should be able to see where the end of the cross brace should stop.I would have measured the top of the brace where it meets the A-pillar but the roof skin has been installed so there's no way to see it.Let me know if you need any other shots, have quite a few from before/during/after panel replacement.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 22, 2017 - 03:58:20 pm
Thanks for the photos. Very helpful. The 2nd layer of the upper cowl on my car has rotten corners so i will have to patch it anyway. Ahhh...so much work/fun coming up this days :))


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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 22, 2017 - 04:36:58 pm
:2thumbs: Keep posting your photos and progress.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 23, 2017 - 09:28:05 am
Hey guys. Can someone tell me if the 0.5cm gap is ok for the rear window plug? I mean between the plug and the roof and between the plug and the trunk thing(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com. I'm trying to align the whole thing to weld the frame. /20170323/b6aee203d52cfc42058fe2644c987661.jpg)


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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on March 23, 2017 - 12:06:11 pm
Normal... On an OE install they used a 50mm x 50mm square of aluminum foil tape like is used in the A/C trade over each screw location & the vinyl top hid everything else...  Honestly if it were mine I might tape the whole seam since the tape is out & in hand anyway...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 23, 2017 - 12:52:03 pm
here it comes:

photo 1: is it normal that this A pillar to have the upper edge pointing towards the exterior of the car? it looks to me that it should be bent inside and enter the roof frame as the passenger side does. Can someone please confirm before i start hammering it? :)
photo 2: this is the point that i went ahead and gave it 2 spots of weld...
last photo: i`ve put the rear window in place and aligned it with the help of the factory holes and i have an even gap of 5mm all around;

 overall, i didn't do much today but this is my progress so far
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 23, 2017 - 07:27:45 pm
Here you can see that the top portion of the A-pillar tucks behind the roof structure.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 23, 2017 - 07:30:32 pm
Here's what my replacement piece looked like before I trimmed it.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 24, 2017 - 03:14:37 am
Yes, on that side the new pillar is bent in. On the driver side is not...


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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on March 30, 2017 - 06:53:57 am
can someone please tell me what would be a correct gap between the windshield and the a pillars and also between the windshield and the upper brace and the cowl.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 05, 2017 - 04:07:29 am
1st time welding something and it looks pretty bad :)

I'm sure that a bit of grinding will make it look good


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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 05, 2017 - 06:45:13 pm
1st time welding something and it looks pretty bad :)

I'm sure that a bit of grinding will make it look good


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Doesnt look bad, it will clean up after grinding and youll get better as you go along.


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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 05, 2017 - 06:51:44 pm
Its great your car still has all the chrome molding around the doors and hood.
Title: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on April 27, 2017 - 07:16:34 am
Not having much time this day but this is how the challenger looks in this moment

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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on July 18, 2017 - 01:43:01 am
Anything new to update on this?
Curious about how you are sorting thru it.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on July 18, 2017 - 03:38:00 am
nothing major done on it lately as i don`t have the time.I need to order a complete floor and firewall before i continue.

The roof frame is welded in, everything fits perfectly (side windows, windshield, rear window and roof). Will start posting again as soon as i find the time to pass by the garage.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: redo1973 on July 18, 2017 - 06:29:33 pm
Wow, what a nice job on this build. :2thumbs: :popcorn:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on July 19, 2017 - 12:37:43 am
Thank you
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on August 01, 2017 - 11:38:57 am
hahaha. sorry guys, i don`t have much time to post here. Still, there is nothing new with the car.

will post photos as soon as i do something on it :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on August 30, 2017 - 12:05:24 pm
I`m planing for the weekend to finish welding in place the A pillars and maybe finish putting in place the roof braces. Maybe October will bring me the complete floor and quarter panels (hopefully also the lower firewall)

anyway, i will try to remember to take some photos with the work
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: YellowThumper on September 02, 2017 - 08:00:03 pm
Thanks for the update
Good luck with the progress.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: dakota on September 02, 2017 - 10:12:44 pm
You are working though challenges that would make many other give up, especially on getting parts.  Keep going!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: Beekeeper on September 02, 2017 - 11:43:13 pm
Nice thread. I just finished reading it from start to finish. I know who much work this is as I'm doing a large job myself on my 70 Challenger. Thankfully mine does not have roof issues but everything else on my car was rusty so I've been slowly cutting and welding in new.

On your welding...I too had never used a welder until my project started. Not sure what your using but I went with a mig type with gas rather than flux core. I use small .025 wire rather than thicker stuff for better control on thin metal. I also bought a welder which automatically feeds the wire at the correct speed so I don't have to fight with it. The result? In the first 10 hours of welding, it was good but welds were not pretty and I spent a lot of time grinding. After that, I found myself getting better and better. Make sure you have a good auto darkening helmet, use bright lighting on your work to help see what you're doing, I keep the shade on my helmet around 9 so I can still see the work well. If you find the arc blowing through your work, then you are welding in very thin pitted rusted out metal or you have too much heat (current). Make sure you also weld in small increments or the heat will warp it bad.

On your rear quarters...have you inspected them well to ensure the rest of them are useable? They typically rust out down low and god only knows how much filler has been put into them given what they did to the rest of the car.

If you are certain that the only part of the quarters you need is the upper triangle at the roof, private message me and I will check mine to donate for your project. I am currently doing the metal work on the back half of my car and I plan to buy new quarters. My old quarters have rust down low but the triangle areas of mine might be useable for you. Can't promise much until I remove them but if the are good, I will take care in removing them and you can have them.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 01, 2017 - 04:58:41 am
that`s a useful reply Beekeeper. I also decided to change the quarters completely as i want to change the trunk floor and extensions also. I will order everything i need together so i can drop the shipping price but this will take time.

Meanwhile, I`m starting to order stuff for the engine to get it running. For the moment, I`m stuck on what exactly repair kit i need for this carburetor. If anyone can help with a link, this are the numbers found on it:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 73440 on October 01, 2017 - 08:45:01 am
http://www.carburetor-parts.com/Holley-2280-Technical_ep_335.html (http://www.carburetor-parts.com/Holley-2280-Technical_ep_335.html)

Would that carb be a Holley 2280 ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 01, 2017 - 08:45:55 am
[url]http://www.carburetor-parts.com/Holley-2280-Technical_ep_335.html[/url] ([url]http://www.carburetor-parts.com/Holley-2280-Technical_ep_335.html[/url])

Would that carb be a Holley 2280 ?


No idea... is there another number i can see in order to identify?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: DAYLEY/CHALLENGER on October 01, 2017 - 08:53:19 am
Does that say Made in Japan ????
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 73440 on October 01, 2017 - 08:55:18 am
https://quadrajetparts.com/holley-2280-carburetor-rebuild-kit-4082f-chrysler-1975-dodge-1962-plymouth-1962-p-1540.html (https://quadrajetparts.com/holley-2280-carburetor-rebuild-kit-4082f-chrysler-1975-dodge-1962-plymouth-1962-p-1540.html)

I have bought a lot of parts from this company , quadrajet ,
Look at the parts included and see if things match.

http://www.carburetorfactory.com/expvw16.html (http://www.carburetorfactory.com/expvw16.html)

Exploded view of Holley 2280
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 73440 on October 01, 2017 - 09:02:51 am
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLLEY-2280-CARBURETOR-4213721-DODGE-TRUCK-VAN-NOS-/182770338503?hash=item2a8df60ac7:g:hl4AAOSwc-tY7MmB&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLLEY-2280-CARBURETOR-4213721-DODGE-TRUCK-VAN-NOS-/182770338503?hash=item2a8df60ac7:g:hl4AAOSwc-tY7MmB&vxp=mtr)

Does your carb look like this ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 01, 2017 - 09:03:47 am
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLLEY-2280-CARBURETOR-4213721-DODGE-TRUCK-VAN-NOS-/182770338503?hash=item2a8df60ac7:g:hl4AAOSwc-tY7MmB&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLLEY-2280-CARBURETOR-4213721-DODGE-TRUCK-VAN-NOS-/182770338503?hash=item2a8df60ac7:g:hl4AAOSwc-tY7MmB&vxp=mtr[/url])

Does your carb look like this ?


I`ll try to put it back together and add a photo. give me 5 min
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 01, 2017 - 11:39:26 am
Anyone recognizes this carburetor? :) I`m thinking to just order a new one if i don`t find a set of gaskets
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 73440 on October 01, 2017 - 03:46:12 pm
http://www.carburetorfactory.com/illus3.html (http://www.carburetorfactory.com/illus3.html)

Check thru these illustrations and see if a stamped number is there.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on October 03, 2017 - 12:21:35 pm
Holley 2280 thank you all. repair kit ordered
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on November 01, 2017 - 04:22:42 am
Hello guys, would this distributor be ok for my 318 engine?

https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/sgt-ch05/overview/year/1970/make/dodge/model/challenger (https://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/sgt-ch05/overview/year/1970/make/dodge/model/challenger)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on November 03, 2017 - 12:25:18 pm
Yes, it will fit but why would you want to go with points??? Put electronic ignition in it.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 07, 2018 - 09:45:11 am
Hi guys, it`s nice to be back. I`m restarting my project and now I wanna buy a starter for the little 318. Unfortunately i don`t have the old starter to have a part number and I don`t know if this is what i need for my car. Can someone tell me if this will fit or give me a part number of an old starter for the 318? It`s a 904 gearbox if that`s any important.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on February 07, 2018 - 11:06:35 am
Hi guys, it`s nice to be back. I`m restarting my project and now I wanna buy a starter for the little 318. Unfortunately i don`t have the old starter to have a part number and I don`t know if this is what i need for my car. Can someone tell me if this will fit or give me a part number of an old starter for the 318? It`s a 904 gearbox if that`s any important.

Thanks in advance

Did you mean to attach a picture? Are you trying to restore this car, just get it drivable or something else? Unless you are trying to restore the car, I highly recommend getting a starter from your local parts store from a late 90's or early 2000 5.9 (360). Far better starter, smaller, and pretty much everyone other than restoration guys are running them. They are usually referred to as "mini" starters. They are widely available.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 07, 2018 - 12:11:11 pm
Did you mean to attach a picture? Are you trying to restore this car, just get it drivable or something else? Unless you are trying to restore the car, I highly recommend getting a starter from your local parts store from a late 90's or early 2000 5.9 (360). Far better starter, smaller, and pretty much everyone other than restoration guys are running them. They are usually referred to as "mini" starters. They are widely available.

I was referring to this:

https://m.ebay.com/itm/NEW-STARTER-MINI-MOPAR-DODGE-PLYMOUTH-318-360-400-HIGHER-TORQUE-/132219517802?_trkparms=aid%253D222007%2526algo%253DSIM.MBE%2526ao%253D2%2526asc%253D20150519202348%2526meid%253D4ac7b0e5a3e5488996dd86d7bd5cd094%2526pid%253D100408%2526rk%253D2%2526rkt%253D8%2526mehot%253Dpp%2526sd%253D152011432906%2526itm%253D132219517802&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460

Not looking at a perfect restoration, just a reliable one. The guy selling this starters cannot tell me for sure it will fit unless provided with the original part number
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on February 07, 2018 - 05:21:41 pm
Well there are some differences in various years and applications but they all fit one another, what I mean is any Mopar small block or big block starter will fit your car/engine. I didnt check your profile so I don't know where you are, but if you are in the US go to any parts store and get a mini starter from say a 93-95 5.9 pickup. You will be glad you did as they spin faster and are more efficient not to mention that you will probably get a lifetime warranty and it is MUCH lighter than the originals.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: larry4406 on February 07, 2018 - 07:19:12 pm
Well there are some differences in various years and applications but they all fit one another, what I mean is any Mopar small block or big block starter will fit your car/engine. I didnt check your profile so I don't know where you are, but if you are in the US go to any parts store and get a mini starter from say a 93-95 5.9 pickup. You will be glad you did as they spin faster and are more efficient not to mention that you will probably get a lifetime warranty and it is MUCH lighter than the originals.

I always loved the sound of Chrysler starters on my 71 and 72

Iím sure the newer starter you listed sounds different but perform better and likely are smaller.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on February 07, 2018 - 07:28:19 pm
Actually the sound pretty similar but faster. I have one on my 70 440 Challenger as well as on my 73 416 Cuda and have used them for a long time. They are far superior to the old ones.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 73440 on February 07, 2018 - 09:31:51 pm
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/what-gives-mopar-starters-their-sound.543491/ (https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/what-gives-mopar-starters-their-sound.543491/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1zFlofGryw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1zFlofGryw)   little rough start here.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: BAM on February 08, 2018 - 04:39:32 am
Well there are some differences in various years and applications but they all fit one another, what I mean is any Mopar small block or big block starter will fit your car/engine. I didnt check your profile so I don't know where you are, but if you are in the US go to any parts store and get a mini starter from say a 93-95 5.9 pickup. You will be glad you did as they spin faster and are more efficient not to mention that you will probably get a lifetime warranty and it is MUCH lighter than the originals.

I`m not from US. I live in Cyprus island, somewhere in the Mediterranean sea (I know is cool) and if you ask about any V8 parts to the local stores, they will laugh in your face. Anyway, i think i should buy the one from ebay and if it doesn`t fit, i`ll get another one later
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger SE
Post by: 70chall440 on February 08, 2018 - 11:45:24 am
Ok, cool. I know where Cyprus is and have been there in fact.

Any MOPAR starter (for a V6 or V8) will fit your engine; the only issue you may encounter with some of the newer starters is the connection terminals; some of the newer starters have a block attached to them that positions the connection studs in a certain way; that said these blocks can be removed which will give you connections similar to what your starter has now; in other words you can definitely use them either way.