Ok fellas, I have been kicking this idea around for a while and have been doing a lot of research. I did not realize how expensive it would be to swap my MP 440/6 pack to Gen 3 6.4 392 SRT8 and would like guidance from those who have done these installs so I do not miss anything in my calculations.
So I currently have a Mopar Performance 440/6 pack with aluminum heads pushing 486hp at the crank (great motor but no forged internals). It is connected to a TKO 600 with a cable clutch. I thought i had everything figured out regarding making the switch but am finding more and more things I might have to change which is driving the cost of the swap way up. So I would like everyone's input and opinions.
This is what i have found for my swap so far:
1. 2016 6.4 392 485hp with all accessories and 2k miles - $5500
2. Quick Time bellhousing - $400-650
3. Hays flywheel - $200-350
3. MP plug and play - $1600
4. TTI Headers - $800
5. EFI tank with everything needed - $1000
6. Radiator w Fans - $1000
7. Cold Air Induction - $300
8. Motor mounts for Magnumforce suspension - $600
9. Mid sump oil pan and pick up - $350
10.45 degree oil filter change - $100
11. Mini starter (possibly) - $350
I thought this was it but I am now unsure if my current clutch will work and it is suggested that I switch to a hydraulic clutch which means more money. My current clutch was for my 440 and looks like it is a 18 spline where the Gen 3's appear to need a 26 from what I have read.
11. New Clutch kit including Wilwood valve $500-1500
I am also now reading that my current Mopar steering column may not work so this could be more money.
12. New steering column $1000
I believe this is everything but definitely want everyone's feedback. As you can plainly see we are now around $14-15k without installation, labor or any engine mods/upgrades. Can anyone tell me if I missed something?
The thing is, I refuse to put money into a toy that I do not think will help increase the value. I do believe the swap will increase value but will it increase the value by $20k? Possibly. I do have other options that could dress up the engine bay, add HP and probably increase the value. For me, adding fuel injection has become a must. I hate smelling like gas every time I get out my Cuda and the typical carb issues.
Option 2: Add a Torque Storm Supercharger with fuel injection. This should increase the HP by 80hp and give me the modern convenience everyone is looking for. The great thing is I will not have to make many changes and it should help increase the value. Let me know what you guys think.
1. Single Torque Storm Supercharger (black) - $3000
2. Fitech 4 barrel EFI set up - $1200
3. 4 barrel intake - $350
4. EFI fuel tank set up - $1000
5. Fuel by-pass - $200
6. MSD ignition with boost control - $450
7. Misc - $250
So now we are looking at a much more simple install with EFI and added HP for $6k. This should also increase the value of the car by at least the invested amount while making it a lot of fun to drive and appealing to future buyers.
Option 3: F&B Tri Power EFI
1. Complete EFI set up $5000
2. EFI tank set up - $1000
This set up cost the about same as option two but is a more difficult install from what I have read and harder to tune. It does offer a little of the 'Wow" factor while providing fuel injection but I am not sure how much real value I will gain. Plus it will not make the car nearly as much fun to drive as option two.
So this is my dilemma. I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on the Gen 3 392 swap until I started adding up the entire cost of the change. This is also with a used motor and finding good deals on a lot of the items needed for the swap. I definitely feel it will help increase the value of my car but spending $15-20k for the swap may not bring the type of increase I feel that would justify the cost and energy it would take to do it. It does bring the convenience that new engines bring to everyday driving and track use, but I think I can get some of that with the Fitech set up. I should also include the fact that I will be able to sell my current 440 set up from rad to flywheel turn key, including the March pulley system that has PS and A/C, for around $5k I believe. This would offset some of the incurred cost but it would still cost me over $10-15k with installation of all the option one items. Not to mention the added down time while in the shop and getting all the bugs worked out.
I would really appreciate everyone's advice and opinions. From being on this site, I know we have a lot of die hard, old school fans that will probably like option two or three over one, and I do not disagree. But I look at the financial return as much as the options themselves because I plan to sell the car one day in order to get into another toy. So please consider that this car will be flipped one day when sharing your thoughts and opinions.
Thanks for taking time to read this very long thread. I really value you guys opinions. Everyone have a blessed day.