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Title: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 12, 2009 - 07:55:26 pm
Hello, newbie here.  For those who missed my newbie post I recently purchased my second 70 'Cuda.  My first 'Cuda was purchased in Oct '69.  It was a special order: 383 Magnum, 4-Speed pistol grip w/floor console, 3.55 posi rear end, Rallye Dash, Triple black, AC, no power steering, AM/FM multi-plex radio with rear window defogger,  & 15" steelies.  $4200 OTD.  Like a fool I sold it three years later for $2800.   :banghead:   Almost bought the car back a year later but the owner had trashed it and it was going to be our primary driver and my wife didn't want to drive it with no power steering.  So I passed.   :banghead:   Have searched for the car several times since and can find no record of it.  It's probably been scraped.   :'(  Anyway recently retired and have been looking for another '70 Cuda.  I found one here in Utah that has been in storage since 1983.  It's a matching numbers 440 U code, Shaker hood, 4 speed with center console, Dana rear end, AM tape player and Rallye dash and 15 inch Rallye wheels.  The car will need a new trunk pan and some spots behind the rear window fixed, but otherwise there is minimal rust.  The car had been in a accident which damaged both rear quarters.  One was replaced and the other sectioned.  A very poor job was done and some body work will be required to fix right.  Otherwise the body is very straight and sound.  The person I purchased it from was the second owner and had begun dismantling the car for a cosmetic restoration.  He had the engine and trans rebuilt, the seats recovered and a new dash pad installed.  However, he lost interest and it's still in pieces.  The engine has been on a stand since 1983 and is frozen.  Probably never been turned over in that time and I'm assuming the rings have rusted to the cylinder walls.  (hopefully) Anyway I'll disassemble the engine and go through everything before I install.  The car will be a driver, car shows, cruize night, Sunday drives.  However, I still intend to restore it to as stock condition as I can. I will restore and re-use as many parts/components as possibles including bolts and screws, etc.  So far the only thing I have found missing are the the Fog lights and the clock for the rallye dash.  Everything else seems to be there.  I'm a pretty good back yard mechanic and have done all my own mechanical work since I was 16.  My son is a certified mechanic and my best friend is a great paint and body man.  So between the three of us and with your help we should be able to get this thing back together and running, hopefully in 2-3 years depending on finances.  Since I purchased it I've been slowing finishing the dismantle for a rotisserie restoration.  As of today the only thing left is the front suspension and front and rear widows.  Hopefully it will go in for media blasting within the next two weeks.   :blah:   :blah:  Here are some photos of what it looked like when I bought it and how it sits today.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: farmertan on February 12, 2009 - 08:02:08 pm
wow thats a nice find and looks pretty solid too, have fun working on it and keep us posted.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 12, 2009 - 08:07:16 pm
Here are some additional photos of all the parts.  I don't know how well they show up in the pics, but all the parts I removed are tagged with a description of the part and where it came of the car.  Also threw in a few extra pics of the body that needs to be done. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: farmertan on February 12, 2009 - 08:11:03 pm
oh did you look under those seats for the build sheet or did previous owner remove when he recovered them?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 12, 2009 - 08:22:31 pm
Yes, it came with at least one build sheet, and the fender tag.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: CHUCKS71 on February 13, 2009 - 05:30:51 am
Nice find!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on February 13, 2009 - 08:45:43 am
Nice find!  :2thumbs:

 :iagree:    :drool:    good luck with the project  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 426HEMI on February 13, 2009 - 08:58:42 am
:iagree:    :drool:    good luck with the project  :2thumbs:



 :iagree:   Good find and Good Luck with your project!!    :woohoo:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: mcgheejt on February 13, 2009 - 09:12:31 am
Great find but don't make us wait 2-3 years.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70shaker6pk on February 13, 2009 - 10:19:38 am
Congrats on your find,  Looks to be a very solid car to restore!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: The Cuda Guy on February 13, 2009 - 10:43:23 am
Man that is one sweet car!  Is it a hockey stripe car???  Good luck with the resto, there are plenty of e-body savy guys on this site that will be able to steer you correctly when you are in a jam so I dont see you waiting on answers too long.  Keep us posted on your progress!

Don
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 13, 2009 - 12:19:18 pm
Don, I'm not sure about the hockey strip as both rear fenders have been stripped of paint by the previous owner and I didn't think to ask him.  I'm going to paint it  black so there wont' be any strips on it when I'm finished. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on February 13, 2009 - 02:22:53 pm
black with hockeysticks =  :drool:

 :2cents:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 13, 2009 - 02:36:29 pm
Sorry, my original 'Cuda was triple black with no hockey strips, so this one will be too.  :sadwavey:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: A110235 on February 13, 2009 - 09:28:09 pm
Sorry, my original 'Cuda was triple black with no hockey strips, so this one will be too.  :sadwavey:

Man that will be one sweet car!  Keep us updated with the pics.

Kyle
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: e-tek on February 13, 2009 - 09:36:55 pm
GREAT story - thanks for sharing it!
How much did you pay for this - if you don't mind me asking?
Good luck and have fun - wish I was retired!!!!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 13, 2009 - 09:44:28 pm
Not at all.  It was $18K as is.  It was a little more than I wanted to pay but a lot of people were looking at it and the owner was starting to have second thoughts about selling it, so I just gave him his asking price. I figure when it's done it will be worth over $50K with matching numbers, not that I'm ever going to sell it.  I'll let my boys fight over it when I gone.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: ksierens on February 14, 2009 - 09:41:09 am
Welcome! Man that looks like one sweet find, I am looking forward to watching the progress!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: wagesofsin on February 15, 2009 - 09:11:54 pm
Not at all.  It was $18K as is.  It was a little more than I wanted to pay but a lot of people were looking at it and the owner was starting to have second thoughts about selling it, so I just gave him his asking price. I figure when it's done it will be worth over $50K with matching numbers, not that I'm ever going to sell it.  I'll let my boys fight over it when I gone.


well said.

thats how i feel about my 'cuda.

lettem hash it out after im gone.

looks like you have a good  foundation for a fine car there. keep us posted please,
john
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 15, 2009 - 11:03:04 pm
Okay,
Ron (best friend and paint and body man) came over last night and removed the front and rear window moldings and windows.   :woohoo:  I took out the K frame so the front suspension is now out and were ready for media blasting.  My son's off work tomorrow so were going to go over and dig another friends trailer out of the snow (advantage of living in Utah) bring it home and hopefully the two of us can load the shell onto the trailer with all the other misc parts, fenders, doors, hood, rear end, etc that need to be media blasting.  Then I'll haul it to the shop on Tuesday or Wed.  Supposed to snow on Tuesday and would rather not be out towing my baby in the middle of a snow storm.   :)  Here's some updated pics of the cars current conditon.  BTW, as of now the torsion bars are still in the car.  Ron says it's no big deal to media blast with them in.  I see the clips in the frame.  How hard is it to take them out and which way do they go. Pull out towards the front or push out towards the rear?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: NoMope Greg on February 16, 2009 - 12:47:35 am
Pull the clips out of the crossmember and pull the bars out from the rear.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 16, 2009 - 01:44:16 am
Thanks Greg,  I'll give it a try tomorrow.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: ambitions2 on February 16, 2009 - 10:03:27 am
Just making a suggestion...you want to have everything apart and ready to go.  I would pull the bars from the from the K Frame also along with the torsion bars like Greg said and everything else in between.  In regards to you two loading up the shell, you'll be fine, I did it with my buddy and we had no problem at all.  What type of media is the blaster using?

Good luck and keep the pictures coming.   
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 16, 2009 - 11:35:57 am
Thanks for the suggestions.  It looks like the snow is coming early so I'll have a couple of days to disaseemble the k frame and get the torsion bars out.  Ron told me what the media is but quite frankly it went in one ear and out the other.  Its a mixture of stuff,  I know it's not sand.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 18, 2009 - 04:04:29 pm
Okay we caught a break in the snow storm and loaded her up and delivered her to the body shop for media blasting.  Took the fenders, hood, doors, etc in a second trip.  Hopefully it will blasted and primered by the middle of next week.  :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70shaker6pk on February 19, 2009 - 11:22:01 am
Great!  Looks like you won't need to do much metal work...... Please post some pic's of it when you get it back from media.  thanks
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 20, 2009 - 08:45:45 pm
Stopped by the body shop today to check on their progress.  All the suspension parts are blasted and primered.  The car shell is 1/2 done.  They still have to do the rear quarters, underneath, doors, hood, front fenders and trunk lid.  They're going to use some paint stripper on these parts first to limit how much they have to blast them so they don't get heated and warp.  I like the idea since it's going to be a black car and I want it as straight as possible.  I attached some photos of how she looks now.  Hopefully, I'll get her home the end of next week or so.  I'm bored without her to work on and I miss her.   :'(     BTW, thinking out loud here.  Considering the car is an original numbes matching car, I have a bit of a dilemma.  :-\  The came with the original exhaust manifolds and a set of headers.  The headers are a little rusty, but otherwise in good shape.  Again, the car will be a driver, not a trailer queen.  I want to leave it as stock as possible with the following exceptions: after market, Year One Magnaflow exhaust sytem, a nice loppy cam and possibly using the headers.  Considering I'm already changing the color to black, (original color is yellow), as long as I keep the original cam and exhaust manifolds, am I hurting the value of an original numbers matching car by making these changes?  Like I said, It's a long way off yet, but just thinking out loud.  Your opinions are welcome and valued.   :feedback:  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: farmertan on February 20, 2009 - 09:02:37 pm
put those parts on a shelf and make the car what you want, wow looks really solid after blasting i dont see the usual rust holes where there any suprises?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: wagesofsin on February 20, 2009 - 09:03:34 pm
just keep all the original parts, that way they can put the car back,
no harm, no foul.

 and im sure you were gonna die with this one right?
so just paint it what you like, dont lose any parts, and have fun.

 :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 22, 2009 - 11:40:58 pm
Thanks for the feedback.  I'm reall leaning that way but that part is a long way off.  To answer your question, no surprises as a result of the media blasting.  Will have to replace the trunk pan and extensions, and lower quarters on both sides and the cowl under the rear window, but we knew that going in.  Otherwise, everything is really in good shape.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 24, 2009 - 10:17:54 pm
Dropped off the front and rear valances and the driveshaft at the body shop today and did find a suprise afterall.  After media blasting numerous pin holes were found in the driver's floorboard.  Didn't expect that.  Didn't notice that last time as the floorboards were covered with media dust.   Will order the new sheet metal parts from Year One tomorrow.  So far I'm up to about $737.  Not too bad for a 39 year old car.  Also, the car and parts are almost done (media blasting and primer) and will pick it/them tomorrow.  :woohoo:  Will post photos then.  Then the fun starts. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: wagesofsin on February 24, 2009 - 10:20:46 pm
i'd contact mopardave if i was you. hes an outstanding individual, and a straight shooter.


http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?action=profile;u=6078
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 25, 2009 - 09:57:34 pm
Picked up the Cuda from the body shop today.  She's all primered and ready for body work.  They primered, and painted most of the suspension parts with a single stage black and baked it.  So hopefully, I can get the suspension back under it in the near future after I get all new bushings, etc.  Found some pretty amateurish body work under some of the bondo that came off during the media blasting.  My body man, said no big deal, he's fixed a lot worse.  Just more money.   :banghead:  Here are some of the photos I took today.  Didn't inlcude the pics of the fenders, hood, etc since they pretty much look the same, except now they're black. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: ambitions2 on February 26, 2009 - 09:21:10 am
Yeah the hobby is not cheap, but you also pay what you get for.  Especially in body work, you can never skimp.  Do you mind how much you paid for the blasting/primer?  I was at $800 with the blasting and $220 for the priming (I primed it myself).  I did the car in epoxy also. 

Nice clean metal to work with...ahhhh  :bigshades:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 26, 2009 - 11:43:08 am
Sounds like you got a better deal.  $1600 for the media blasting, primer, and painting the suspension parts.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 71_340Challenger on February 26, 2009 - 07:55:49 pm
Looking good!   :2thumbs: Very solid car. I am just about to go and get mine media blasted as well. I am scared what might be lurking under my paint. It seems pretty solid overall, so I am not expecting too much, but you just never know with cars of this age.

Hey, what did your body shop use for primer? What about you ambitions2? I have not made my trip down to the paint store yet, but just curious what other people are using.

As a note, I was quoted $500-$600 to blast my entire car and suspension provided I have it all torn down and ready like your was. I am going to spray the primer myself.

Keep up the good progress and keep the pics coming!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 28, 2009 - 11:51:37 am
Sorry I made a quick bonzai trip to Calif this weekend so I can't answer your question re what type of primer they used.  Will be back in Utah on Tuesday and will call the body shop and then post. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Bluemonster71RT on March 03, 2009 - 07:39:00 pm
We seem to be in the same area of the resto so I'll be taking notes!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 05, 2009 - 10:48:46 pm
Not a whole lot new to report.  Waiting for several parts/body panels from Year one.  Did manage to scrape all the glue off the roof from the vinly top.  Then wet sanded most of the overspray and primer off of it.  Was surprised at how many dents/dimples the roof had.  Anyway I did get my Chops back from Aaron on what I envision the car to look like when it's done.  I'll try and post here.  I tried on the CHOPS thread and it told me upload box was full! :clueless:  I'll try here as see if the chops load.  The first pic will be of the finished car with stock Rallye wheels and Goodyear Polyglass tires.  Second photo, same except it will have 18" American Mags with Goodyear Eagles.  Third, black matte 440 hockey strip.  Fourth, white 440 hockey strip.
Last is a chop of my first 'Cuda that I purchased new in Oct '69:  383 magnum, AP spoke mags, 4-speed, rubber front bumper.  Hope this works.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on March 06, 2009 - 04:18:32 am
great progress  :thumbsup:

I like all chops, but the one with the white hockeystick looks awesome...  :2cents:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: farmertan on March 06, 2009 - 10:22:03 am
i really like the third one but then i like the ghost emblems and stock looking wheels either way you go that car is going to look awesome :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 30, 2009 - 12:13:40 pm
Been a while since I posted.  The car has just been sitting for a couple of months, no $.  However, that didn't keep me from going out and tinkering with it.  Finally got tired of no significant progress and decided to remove old panels myself, instead of paying my body man to do it.  Also, decided that I didn't like the hack jobs on both quarters and decided to replace them, (more $  :banghead:) instead of having them fixed.  Long story short, after what seemed like a thousand spot welds that I drilled out, I finally got both quarters off, the trunk pan out, and the rear window filler panel.  Just have half of the driver's floor pan left to do.  Hope to get that out in the next couple of days. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 30, 2009 - 10:44:35 pm
 :feedback:  Thinking out loud here.  I've been very impressed with the cars on this site where the bottom of the car is finished in the same color as the top.  Looks very sharp.  But how practical is it if the car is going to be driven?  I originally wanted to do the same with my 'Cuda but #1 don't have access to a rotisserie and I'm too cheap to take it to a body shop and have them do it.  Secondly, I think it would drive me nuts every time I ran over a rock or ran through a puddle or got caught in the rain. My body man is encouraging me to spray the underside of the car/frame with Rhino lining.  He says not only does it add protection to the underside but it helps sound proof, especially if you also spray it on the inside floorboards.  Lastly, not that I'm going for any 300 point car shows, but does it make a difference in local type car shows what type of undercoating/paint you have on the car?  Thanks in advance for any feedback.  I'd be real interested in hearing from both those who have painted the underside as well as those who may have also sprayed bed linner.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on June 02, 2009 - 02:28:49 pm
I had my car up in a rotisserie. First I sprayed a few coats of epoxy then a stone-chip preventing coating from "Motip"  . Don`t think it`s available in the states.  On top of that coating I sprayed body color. Not a must but I like the looks and I had the car upside down anyway.... I am not building a top end show car, I`ll drive the heck out of it and will see how log the color will last...  :burnout:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 05, 2009 - 11:02:33 pm
Thanks for your response Dutch.  Right now, I think I'm going to go with the bed linner for the undercarriage.  'Course that could always change by the time I get around to actually doing it.   :lol2:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: mopar12372 on June 12, 2009 - 09:20:40 pm
i like the bed liner idea , i have heard that the snow/salt can get under it and rust under neath . the off road guys use it all the time  , just make sure its sealed and layed down correctly
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Matt on June 13, 2009 - 09:50:05 pm
 :wow: :burnout: :ylsuper:...nuff said!!
Title: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 16, 2009 - 08:54:02 pm
Progress has been slow but steady.  After drilling out what seemed like 1K more spot welds, I finally got the driver's front floor pan and 4-speed hump out. That completes the disassembly of my 'Cuda.  If I never see another spot weld again, it will be too soon.  Test fit the new floor pan and while it's not a perfect fit it will work with a little tweaking.  Ground down all the spot welds on the doors, and rear frame rails getting them ready for welding primer. Finally, ground/sanded off 40 years of rust, crude and paint off the passenger side inner fender well and the rear frame rails and channel that hold the rear tail light panel.  Ran out of sandpaper before I got the driver's side inner fender well done.  After that it's time to primer all the new panels and frame rails and then weld everything in place.  :bananasmi  Can't wait but I got a feeling it's going to be a while before my bodyman gets to the welding.   :(
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 16, 2009 - 08:57:47 pm
Sorry, I accidently hit POST before finishing adding all the photos. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: wagesofsin on June 16, 2009 - 09:07:30 pm
looking great so far!!!

 :2thumbs:

any kind of progress is a good thing.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on September 05, 2009 - 12:08:43 am
Time for an update.  Progress has been slow but steady.  Unfortunately its the kind of progress that doesn't really show, but is necessary to do the job right.  Before I get to the car, since I couldn't find a used rotisserie and didn't want to spend $1K on a new one that I would only use for this car and then sell, I decided to bite the bullet and buy a two post car lift.  I've always wanted one and my shop was designed for one, so I decided what the heck.  I can use it for the restor' on the 'Cuda, and then use it to store it in the winter and park a car underneath.   I can also use it to work on my other cars and my son, the mechanic has already used it for some side jobs.  It's like being a kid at Christmas to actually have my own lift.  First pic is of the lift.  Then my three sons are helping me move the 'Cuda from it's old home in the garage to it's new home in the shop. (I'm the old fart with the baseball cap ;D) Then my best friend, body man, finally got some time to work on the car.  He straightened the right rear frame rail (notice the come-along attached to the hoist and the other end of the car connected to my truck!! Who needs a stinking frame machine!!??)  Anyway it came out perfectly straight.  He then test fit the quarters, passenger door, trunk floor pans, extensions, rear filler and deck lid. It was amazing how straight he got the door lines.  I think they are better than when it came from the factory.  :bananasmi  Last night he finished up the test fitting and punched holes in all the new sheet metal for the spot welds.  Next we'll disassemble again, primer the edges with welding primer, prime the rest with etching primer, reassemble and weld.  Since the outside edge of the inner rear fender wells were rusted/corroded pretty good (not enough to need replacement) I've decided that after we spray with etching primer, to coat the outer half with undercoating spray.  I know it's not factory, but it wont' hardly show when the quarters are on and it will add an extra level of protection to the fender wells.  Like I said, not a lot of visible progress, but all necesary.  I have to admit it's nice to see the car with new quarters, even if they are only held on with clamps.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on September 05, 2009 - 12:10:31 am
A few more photos.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: farmertan on September 05, 2009 - 08:53:01 am
The progress on this car looks great, this is one of my favorite threads to watch thanks for the updates, and when you guys pushed the car uphill into the garage did you look over at the quad when you got there and go :faint: 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on September 05, 2009 - 10:55:57 am
great progress... nothing like new sheetmetal  :clapping:   
the carlift looks seriously solid  :thumbsup:  ready to lift a Peterbilt   :woohoo:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Bluemonster71RT on September 05, 2009 - 03:59:34 pm
Great work so far.  Man I had a chance to buy a lift as we got 6 from a tech school but I didn't have the $500 at the time :crying:.  Anyway I see your pic of putting the door on and getting it lined up.  Were you able to get it right?  I can't seem to get mine correct. The bottom is in to far by the quater and the top is almost spot on. How do you get the rear bottom out?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on September 05, 2009 - 04:36:21 pm
Bluemonster, yes we got the door lined up both top and bottom.  I can't really tell you how we did it, because my Ron, body man, is the one that did it while I watched.  I can tell you this, however, we tightened and untigtened the door hinge bolts/hinges a dozen times as he adjusted and tweaked it, both on the door itself and the body.  I had tried it in the past myself and couldn't get it right, but he knew exactly which one to move and in what direction to get it lined up.  Can't beat an experienced body man.  Do you have the original quarters or replacement quarters?  If they aren't original they may not have been aligned correctly when they were installed.  Just a thought.  That's why Ron is taking so much time mocking everything up and making sure everything fits correctly before we start welding.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Bluemonster71RT on September 05, 2009 - 04:51:09 pm
Only lower rear quater patches were put on so the part by the door should not have been touched. I can get it correct until its fully latched and pushed in where the weather strip would otherwise help keep it out. But thats where the bottem edge goes to far.  I was hoping the there was a adjustment to be hade at the latch but doesn't seem to move much.  I guess it's gonna tame lots of time and :swear:. lol.  Thanks 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on September 05, 2009 - 05:12:15 pm
The post that sticks out from the quarter that the door latches onto is adjustable.  If you loosen it you can slide it in and out and I think up and down also.  Ron also adjusted that while working on my door.  Good luck.  I know how frustrating it is :banghead:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 10, 2010 - 10:36:24 pm
Time for an update.  My body man, Ron, just got a new job so it looks like he might have 1-2 days a week to devote to my 'Cuda.  :woohoo:  In anticipation of him getting started again I bought a gallon of Rust Bullet and sprayed the outside of the rear fender wells, rear frame rails and roof.  Then since it will be hard to spray the top of the fender wells once the quarters are installed I got a quart of single stage black and sprayed them while they were still exposed.  Ron came over yesterday and installed/welded in the new trunk floor.  At the time I bought it I had not planned on replacing the quarters so I bought the two piece floor pan.  I was surprised by how much time Ron spent test fitting the two pieces and making sure they were level to each other.  I would have never worried about it considering it was the trunk and will have a trunk mat covering it. Shows the difference between a  true professional and shade tree body man.  Anyway, he got it all welded up.  Hopefully, if things work out I'll soon have some pics of the new quarters permanently installed.  Have attached a few pics.  I know they're not real exciting, but it's exciting to me to finally make some more progress on the car. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: wagesofsin on January 10, 2010 - 10:41:20 pm
very nice!! but why do those pics look so familiar? i know ive seen them somewhere before...

 :smilielol:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dixiedog on January 11, 2010 - 04:47:48 pm
very nice!! but why do those pics look so familiar? i know ive seen them somewhere before...
 :iagree:
 My thoughts exactly.  I know I've seen all of this before except from a challenger point of view.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 04, 2010 - 04:31:16 pm
Progress continues to be slow but steady.  Painted a couple coats of Rust Bullet on the new trunk floor pan and extensions.  Then sprayed a coat of single stage black on top of that.  When we get around to finishing the body work we'll respray with the correct black and make it look a lot better.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: TKat13 on February 04, 2010 - 06:48:30 pm
that looks great! Thanks for the pics, just what I was looking for... my trunk is next after I finish up the front frame and inner fenders....
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: ShelbyDogg on February 07, 2010 - 12:09:55 am
Sorry to butt in, but I don't see enought spot welds for your gas tank straps. For an 18 gallon tank @ around 6.5 lbs per gallon equals 117 lbs. of weight trying to rip itself out while starting, stopping, and going around turns. I welded mine in with spots about every 1.5"s and even welded to the rear support.  Get it done now before you go any farther.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 07, 2010 - 11:12:41 am
Shelbydog, thanks, that's a good point.   :2thumbs:  We'll take care of that next. 

Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: femtnmax on February 08, 2010 - 11:56:29 pm
Brad
Nice work your doing.  thanks for all the pics too.
Good point shelbydog.  Unibody works only if everything is joined together properly to distribute the load.  Each spot weld can support X load, so need Y number of spot welds to support the weight of sloshing fuel,etc.
I work on airplanes, its the same idea, need to spread the load out using many fasteners of the correct size (think number of spot welds and weld diameter on a car) so the plane doesn't rip itself apart the first turbulence it passes thru.
sorry to ramble but shelbydog is right on the money.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 27, 2010 - 03:25:12 pm
Been a while since my last update.  Unfortunately my body man's time didn't work out to be free as I hoped.  But we did make some progress the past two months.  Both rear quarters are now welded up and the trunk lid gaps tweaked.  The rear light panel is welded in along with the the new driver's floor and four speed hump.  Now that the welding is done he can actually start on the body work.   :woohoo:  Just wish he had more time.  I'm really starting to get impatient but for the price he is giving me I can't be too pushy.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 26, 2011 - 05:15:37 pm
Time for an update.  My body man has spent almost a week straight working on the 'Cuda and is making some great progress.  Let's hope it continues.  As all of you know that do body work the devil is in the details as they say.  A lot of what he's been doing doesn't show the detail work done to make the new repo panels fit correctly with the stock panels.  He is a perfectionist when it comes to fit and finish and the body gaps and fit and finish will be better then new when he's done.  Bare in mind that the pictures are still a work in progress and he hasn't finished with the fit and finish.  Hopefully, I'll have another update next week.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: wally426ci on January 26, 2011 - 07:50:52 pm
Awesome that he is rolling along!

I would HIGHLY recomend using lead in the C pillar b/c i am almost positive that it WILL crack. Mine did after about 4 years.  :faint:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 26, 2011 - 10:09:18 pm
Thank you.  Re the pillars, he used some type of fiberglass mixture.  Very strong per my body man.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on January 26, 2011 - 11:03:34 pm
Awesome that he is rolling along!

I would HIGHLY recomend using lead in the C pillar b/c i am almost positive that it WILL crack. Mine did after about 4 years.  :faint:

The amount of filler at the quarter panel seam should only be at the most the thickness of a nickel over the leadwork. Anything substituted for lead will eventually either crack or expand on hot days.

If he doesn't want to lead it, find some else who will.

Your dutchman panel edges confirmed what I went thru with me. The curvature meeting the quarters isn't exact. Mine was the same way.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 27, 2011 - 03:42:52 pm
Not trying to be argumentative, or :stirpot:, but I'm curious.  My car still had it's original vinyl top when I got it.  When I stripped it off the seams between the roof and quarters were not cracked and were filled with a bondo type substance, not lead.  After the car is painted, I plan on replacing the vinyl top.  So if Chrysler did not lead the seam between the roof and quarters, why is it necessary now?
Thanks
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on January 27, 2011 - 11:35:05 pm
Not trying to be argumentative, or :stirpot:, but I'm curious.  My car still had it's original vinyl top when I got it.  When I stripped it off the seams between the roof and quarters were not cracked and were filled with a bondo type substance, not lead.  After the car is painted, I plan on replacing the vinyl top.  So if Chrysler did not lead the seam between the roof and quarters, why is it necessary now?
Thanks
Brad

The material they used under vinyl roofs is unlike any type of filler I've seen so far. It had a low particle amount of plastic compounds in it I therorize.

Taking a wire brush on a drill, and it would break off like saw dust. Where as body fillers with higher plastics would powderize.

Whatever they used, it didn't have as much of an expansion rate when it was warmed up to hot surface temps like a hot sunny day like body fillers do. Still it will expand.

Lead has flexability yet expands at the same rate as the steel around it. (Or close to it)

It just looks so crappy at a car show to see a nicely restored car have a pregnant sail panel during a hot day.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 28, 2011 - 12:46:33 pm
Topcat   Thanks for the explanation.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on January 29, 2011 - 12:50:08 am
Make sure you have your bodyman do a complete trial fit of the rear glass, clips, and trim.
I just did that today on mine.

I replaced my left quarter with a Goodmark. The lowest edge curve isn't exact. Now I have to take it everything back off, make a small slit on the curve, slightly push it in,  butt weld it, grind it off and re try. I put green tape on first so none of the tar rope sticks to the primered channel. This will allow you to see any edges on the sides too that aren't close enough also you need to re contour.

What happens is that if that curve isn't perfect it kicks the trim out away from the body edge making it look hideous.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 29, 2011 - 01:07:40 pm
Topcat, good point.  Thank you.  I'll have him do that.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 31, 2011 - 08:15:49 pm
Okay, we continue to make progress.  :woohoo: Got the tail light patch panels welded in, well all most.  The welder has a short cord so it did not quite reach the driver's side.  Will have to spin the car around to finish that one.  Replaced the hood hinge panels with the patch kit from Roseville Mopars, thanks guys.  Came out really nice.  When we finish them up with bondo you will never be able to tell they aren't original.  My body man also noticed that the cowl area area was dented.  Don't know what the previous owner did, but considering there were also dents in the roof, maybe they had a square dance on top of the car.  :pullinghair: Anyway, my body man worked out the dents and they are now ready for a bondo skim coat.  Also, worked out some dents on the face of the firewall. My contribution was to finish scraping off 41 years of undercoating, paint and road grime off the inside of the passenger side front fender.  Now just have to finish up the driver's side.  Anyway, it's nice to finally be making some good progress!   :jumping:

Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 31, 2011 - 08:26:50 pm
While I'm at it, re pics #6 and & 7 above, the two rear bolt holes for the hood hinges, are backed with nuts that are welded onto the outboard side of the engine compartment.  There were no nuts on the outside of the patch panels  for the forward (third) bolt hole.  Is there supposed to be a nut welded there or do you use a loose nut and washer to tighten that bolt?  Thanks in advance.

Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: ShelbyDogg on January 31, 2011 - 09:08:05 pm
You have to use parts off of the old hole. It is a sliding threaded plate that lets you adjust the hinge a little. here is the pic
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 31, 2011 - 09:29:55 pm
Thanks, I think I saw some of those in the bags of misc parts I was given when I purchased the car.  The original hole had been cut out and patched, but it was a real hack job.  That's why I choose to replace the whole panel.  Thanks again,

Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 06, 2011 - 04:26:29 pm
Made some more progress yesterday.  We finished welding in the driver's side tail light patch panel.  We then applied seam sealer to the entire rear tail light panel, and to all the undercarriage where the frame rails meet the new trunk floor pan in addition to the passenger floor pan and 4-speed hump.  Also fixed some dents in the tail light panel on either side of the license plate area.  Modified/repaired the driver's side tail light opening so the bezel will fit perfectly with no gaps.  Still working on the passenger side.  It's taking more effort due to some damage in a previous TC.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70shaker6pk on February 07, 2011 - 09:52:54 am
Great resto thread!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Moparinho on February 07, 2011 - 10:14:21 am
how do you connected the bottom of tail panel with rear crossmember ?    I'm dealing with this issue right now.   It seems that I need to male a custom "L" shape piece to do it,  but I can't find any good reference pics about it  :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 07, 2011 - 01:34:18 pm
70shaker6pk Thank you.  We're sure giving it the old college try, so to speak.

Moparinho, both the bottom of the tail panel and the top of the rear cross member have a flange/lip that overlap and are connected with spot welds.  At least that's the way they came from the factory.  Unfortunately, I did not take any pictures of this prior to dis-assembly and didn't get any pictures after we re-connected/welded the two back together before we applied filler to the smooth out the welds.  However, I just took the below three pictures of how it sits now and hopefully that will give you an idea of how they connect.  If you go to my restoration web page listed below and look at pictures: 150/151/153/173/181/182/and 266 you may get an idea of what the flanges look like.  You can clearly see the flange on the rear cross member and how the spot welds were drilled out.  Hope this helps.  Good luck.   :2thumbs:
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Moparinho on February 08, 2011 - 11:50:16 am
Brad,
many thanks for the reply.  I appreciated it.     So, it seems that the flange has a "Z" shape instead of a simple "L" shape...   And the its bottom lip is welded between the crossmember and trunk pan lips. 

Is it correct ?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 08, 2011 - 02:35:25 pm
No it's a simple "L" shape.  If you refer to picture 153 you will clearly see that it's an L shape and spot welded to the top of the cross member.  Yes, it's goes on top of the cross member, under the trunk pan.  Hope this helps.
Good luck

Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 13, 2011 - 02:30:30 pm
Yesterday we finished most of the body work on the cowl and engine compartment.  Undercarriage and engine compartment paint is close! :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger III on February 13, 2011 - 02:54:57 pm
 :thumbsup: Your project is coming along very well! I'll bet you can already smell the new paint!  :jumping:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 04, 2011 - 01:17:44 pm
One step closer to painting the undercarriage and engine compartment.  Applied some Rust Bullet to the rear fender wells, and the bottom of the new driver's floor pan and other areas that needed it.    :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Canadian Cuda on March 04, 2011 - 07:53:36 pm
looking really good
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 08, 2011 - 09:43:53 pm
Made some more progress.  After cleaning 40+ years of grease and road grime off the front suspension parts I attached the steering box, lower control arms and steering linkage to the K-Frame.  After the bottom is painted I'll put the suspension back under it so it will be easier to move around while finishing the body work, primer and paint.  Then I'll remove the front suspension and replace the ball joints, tie rod ends,  bushings, etc and paint everything the proper colors.  No sense in doing it before we paint the car and worry about getting over-spray on it.  Also, sprayed undercoating inside the new quarters, inside the trunk.  Applied several coats to try and duplicate the original thick, globby, runny undercoating that was applied at the factory.   Also, sprayed some Rust Bullet on the top side of the new driver's floor pan and the old passenger side floor pan.  Then applied new seam sealer and finally sprayed the entire inside of the engine compartment with undercoating to provide a little more heat insulation and sound deadening.  Will probably apply 2-3 more coats before I'm done along with doing the inside of the door skins and roof.   Slow but steady. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: mopar12372 on March 08, 2011 - 11:12:28 pm
 :2thumbs: impressive work !
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger III on March 08, 2011 - 11:27:52 pm
 :iagree: Top notch!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Bullitt- on March 08, 2011 - 11:57:12 pm
Great Job....This is gonna be 1-Slick Fish  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 10, 2011 - 01:09:48 pm
Thanks guys.  I'm sure giving it the old college try, so to speak.  Today I built myself a portable spray both so I can paint my misc parts as I clean them and get them ready for reassembly without getting over-spray all over the shop.  Sprayed a coat of Rust Bullet on the radiator support bracket, one of the front disc brake dust shields and the trunk lock rod cover. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 11, 2011 - 03:57:09 pm
The engine compartment and under-body/frame rails are now ready for paint.  It's been sprayed with primer and then sanded with 320.
Now if my paint/body man can get a spar couple of hours from his real job, we can get it painted and get the suspension back under it.  :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 11, 2011 - 04:30:48 pm
While waiting for my paint/body man, I've been busy restoring my heater box.  Completely disassembled it and found out the original heater core had already been repaired once and showed evidence that it was leaking again.  I had planned on replacing it anyway, so it was no big deal.  Replaced the heater core with one from Checker/O'Rielley, stripped all the old foam/paint off the baffle doors and blower motor.  Painted them with Rustoleum Metallic Silver, glued on new foam, and reassembled with new gasket material.  Tested the blower motor and to my pleasant surprise found out that not only did it work, but it was very quiet also.  Then sprayed the whole assembly with clear to give it a fresh look.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on May 12, 2011 - 12:31:29 am
Lookin really good!

The smell of fresh paint is just a wonderful smell on all the work you put into it.

I'm looking forward to mine painted too.
Just remember, don't hurry it when you're sooo close now. Double check and triple check. It's a one shot deal.
Looking forward to seeing it covered. Good Luck! 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 28, 2011 - 08:10:21 pm
My paint and body man got some free time today from his real job and painted the bottom of the car, fender wells, some of the engine compartment and some misc parts.   :bananasmi  I can't believe what a difference a fresh coat of paint makes.  It's so shinny  it's hard to get a good picture with the glare.  But trust me it looks great.  Now to let it dry a couple of days, then spray the wheel wells with undercoating and start replacing the suspension.  I can't wait.  :cooldancing:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on May 29, 2011 - 03:28:09 am
 :wow: lookin good  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70shaker6pk on June 02, 2011 - 01:05:07 pm
Turning out great!!  Bet you are really excited, i know i would be!  Can't wait to see the rest of the body painted!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 02, 2011 - 01:37:31 pm
Thank you!  Spent the past two days masking off and then spraying the rubberized undercoating in the front and rear fender wells.   I hated to spray over that new paint, but it needed to be done.  The new generation undercoating is not as thick as the original and looks much nicer.  I also masked off the frame rails, front shock towers and underside of the body.  I know it's not original, but this is going to be a driver, not a 300 point trailer queen and I prefer the cleaner look without all the over spray of the originals.  My body man came up with what I thought was a great idea.  He's going to primer and paint the rear quarters, roof, and door jams next.  Then I can start installing the interior, wiring, drive-train, etc while he does the doors, front fenders, deck lib and hood off the car.  He had intended on painting them off the car anyway, so this way I don't have to wait until he finishes the whole car before I start reassembly.  I think that's a great idea!   :clapping:  Hopefully I can get him back here in the next couple of months to do that.  In the meantime, I'm going to install the K-frame, rear axle and leaf springs, new gas tank, gas lines, brake lines and E-brake cables.  If I  finish that before he does the rear quarters, etc.,  then I'll rebuild the front suspension, front calibers and rear brakes also.  Let the fun begin!   :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: The Cuda Guy on June 02, 2011 - 02:54:53 pm
That is going to be a bad ride!  Good luck with the rest of the resto!

Don
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 02, 2011 - 07:20:34 pm
Thanks, here's a couple shots of the undercoating and I also installed the K-Frame today.  Now if I can just find the bolts for the steering column.  They're hiding from me.   :clueless:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on June 03, 2011 - 07:41:04 am
Nice job! Looks great! :drool: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 05, 2011 - 07:47:45 pm
Thanks for all the comments.  Yesterday I didn't have a lot of time but managed to install and hook up the upper control arms and brake rotors.  Then I mounted the front tires.  It's actually starting to look like a car again, at least somewhat.  :woohoo:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 21, 2011 - 11:24:33 am
I need to get some opinions on this.  I bought some Eastwood "Detail Gray" to paint my rear suspension parts (leaf springs, shackles, torque boxes, etc) before installing them on the car.  The Paint can says "Restores Original Color of Machined Steel and Rough-Cast Aluminum."  I'm not happy with the color and need to know if I bought the wrong color paint or just have a incorrect concept of what bare metal is supposed to look like.  I know the paint can says Detail "Gray" but in my opinion the color is way too gray.  I would think that the original suspension parts were more silver in color than gray.  Am I wrong?  I've included some pics of the color.  However, the pics are a little light don't show how dark/gray the color is. Some opinions please and if the color is wrong, any suggestions on what brand/color to use.   :feedback:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on June 21, 2011 - 12:25:31 pm
You could try Metal Mask with a Preval sprayer. Reduce with Acetone.

http://www.por15.com/METAL-MASK/productinfo/MMH/
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 21, 2011 - 01:12:25 pm
Topcat, thanks, do you know how "Gray" it is? I'm trying to get away from gray and more to a machined silver look. 

Am I wrong in thinking that the original bare metal leaf springs, hangers, etc. had more of a silver look than gray look?  Page 45 and 52 of the Eastwood catalog list all their restoration paints and all except the Silver Cad and Blacks say Gray in their names.  The Detail Gray that I bought says its for "stamped or machined steel" which I assume leaf springs are.  I just don't remember the originals being this gray.  They seamed to have more of a silver look.  Any other ideas out there?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on June 21, 2011 - 09:44:51 pm
The only way to get a perfect cast iron look is to flatten a clear coat. Metal mask is pretty good but nothing comes as close as the real steel color.

I haven't done that before. And I'm pretty confident it also might be noticable.

Something worth trying. I've pondered doing it to see how it ends up.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Mentally Challenged on June 22, 2011 - 12:30:03 pm
Going to be a nice lookig Cuda when finished
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: burdar on June 22, 2011 - 03:06:37 pm
Spraying it with a matte clear will help it some.  If you would have sprayed the springs black first, and then misted the Detail Gray overtop of the black, it would have looked more realistic I think.  I think the springs are heat treaded aren't they?  That would make them slightly darker then a normal stamped part.  Here are a few reference pics for you.  These are from Dave Waldens OE Gold Challenger.

The exhaust hanger is bare steel.
  http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4501928-Dsc05276-1.jpg

So is this upper control arm...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4503621-Dsc05360-1.jpg

leaf springs
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/4502617-Dsc05279-1.jpg

When I refinished the shipping brackets that bolt to the frame on my car, I used four different color and then a matte clear.  I think it turned out OK.  Rarely are you going to get a good look with just one color IMO. 

   
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: burdar on June 22, 2011 - 03:22:47 pm
Is this the look you want?  These are my upper control arms.  They were refinished with Detail Gray and then a matte clear.  They look more silver then the pictures you posted.  My UCA's were heavily pitted...I fixed the most visable areas but wasn't concerned with getting them perfect.  I think they look convinsing from a distance but up close you can tell it's paint.

(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q229/burdar/73%20Challenger/challenger/sep21026.jpg)
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 23, 2011 - 04:00:23 pm
Thanks Burdar for the reference pics.  Waldens springs were definitely darker than I expected.  The matte clear is a good idea and I'm going to give that a try.  Your control arms are more the look I was going for.  Will let you know how they came out.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 05, 2011 - 11:55:55 am
Made some more progress.  Mounted the rear leaf springs and rear end.  However, still waiting for the new "U" bolts to attach the rear end to the leaf springs.  I removed the cover to my Dana 60 rear end to inspect the gears and was pleasantly surprised to discover that the gears are in perfect condition.   :bigsmile:  Ordered the fuel tank sending unit, SS gas tank straps and "J" bolts, and new gas and brake lines last week so I'll be busy as soon as they arrive.
BTW, I tried the suggestion about spraying the Detail gray on the leaf springs with a clear and I like the result, although I used the gloss finish instead of the matte.  I tried both but preferred the look of the gloss. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on July 05, 2011 - 10:42:56 pm
Looking great! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: johns cuda shop on July 06, 2011 - 06:32:15 pm
Awesome workmanship. !! Keep the pictures coming!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 19, 2011 - 06:32:21 pm
During the past week, I replaced the pumpkin cover and added new gear oil with fiction modify, installed  the new Axle U-bolts, shock mounting plates,  new gas tank with new sending unit and SS straps, ran the new gas lines, rear brake lines and and emergency brake cable.  Running the new e-brake lines and brake lines were not to much trouble, but the new gas lines were a PIA.  For supposedly being pre-bent, they required a awful lot of massaging to get in place and I'm still not real happy with the way they look compared to the OEM lines.  In fact I'm thinking of cleaning the old lines, inside and out, and re-using them.  In the meantime, I used cable ties to secure the two lines together.  Since it's probably at least 1-2 years before I actually get the motor installed and running, hopefully in that time they'll conform into the proper shapes.  We'll see.  Before I post the pictures let me say that none of the lines/clamps are permanently secured yet.  I also know that the top gas line at the sending unit has a nick in it and will need to be replaced.  Nothing forward of the firewall has been installed or hooked up yet as we still haven't sprayed the engine compartment with it's final coat of paint.  I have either purchased or ordered all new parts for the rear brake drums, and new pads and seals for the front calibers.  Just hoping I don't find that the front calibers are pitted when I remove the piston.  Soon as all the parts are here I'll tackle the brakes.  BTW, how much of the rear brake drum is supposed to be red?  Just the face where the wheel bolts up or the sides also?  Is the rest of the drum supposed to be black or bear metal?  Also, is there supposed to be a distinct line between the red and the rest of the drum or is red over-spray the norm?  Lastly, does it matter what color red I use on the brake drums?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 19, 2011 - 06:47:35 pm
Before I post the additional pics I'd like to give a special thanks to Bullitt for his post in the "Reference Pictures" of the proper routing of the brake and gas lines.    :2thumbs:  Even though I took hundreds of reference pictures as I disassembled the car, I somehow neglected to take pics of the gas and brake line routing.  I probably thought it was so easy I wouldn't have any problem figuring it out.  Yeah, right.  :dunno:   After 2+ years I was having a hard time figuring out were they went, especially when they were bent in half for shipping.   :clueless:
And surprisingly the Motor manual does not show how they are routed.  Anyway, Bullitt saved the day with his reference pics and I'm very much appreciative his effort to post the pics.  I'd like to give a plug this this Reference pics thread and encourage others to add to it as I will. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: sadil340 on July 19, 2011 - 06:54:22 pm
BTW, how much of the rear brake drum is supposed to be red?  Just the face where the wheel bolts up or the sides also?  Is the rest of the drum supposed to be black or bear metal?  Also, is there supposed to be a distinct line between the red and the rest of the drum or is red over-spray the norm?  Lastly, does it matter what color red I use on the brake drums?
I've known my car since the original owner (I got it when it was 4 years old) and I remember the red being oversprayed just on the face of the drum. Anyway that's how I shot the drums for the resto.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: GranCuda1970 on July 19, 2011 - 11:04:21 pm
Thanks You!!  those were great reference pics some of the best yet! I have saved your photos for when my clips arrive. I may have to move the line a bit on the drivers side rear frame to mount the Factory rear sway bar on my 8 3/4. I did not take before pics when I pulled them and my memers is not as good as it used to be.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 22, 2011 - 08:25:43 pm
Work for Ron, my body man has slowed down, so he has been spending more time working on the 'Cuda.  :bananasmi  After a couple of days of body work, sanding and detail work the rear quarters and rockers are ready for primer.   :ylsuper:  He plans on shooting the first coat of high build primer tomorrow.  I can't wait!  It's been a long 2 1/2 years getting to this point.  Here are some pics.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 23, 2011 - 10:03:38 pm
WE HAVE PAINT!!  Well primer at least.  Got the first coat of high build primer applied today along with the guide coat!  I'm so excited I swear I won't sleep the night before we spray the black!!   :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on August 24, 2011 - 01:28:46 pm
getting closer  :wow:
will you finish the car yourself when the bodywork is done?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 24, 2011 - 01:35:43 pm
Dutch,
Yes, I will reassemble myself with a little help from my son.  The current plan is for Ron to paint the rear quarters, roof, rocker panel, engine, passenger and trunk compartments.  Then he will work on the doors, hood and fenders off the car while I start reassembly of the interior and  drive train.  That way hopefully he will finish the paint/body work on those parts while I get the car back together.  I've already been restoring some parts and as seen in prior posts and done some reassembly under the car.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger III on August 24, 2011 - 02:16:36 pm
Great Progress!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 01, 2011 - 04:19:51 pm
As always seems to be the case, just as we start to make some progress, Ron get's busy at his real job!!    Car has been ready for paint for over three weeks and is just sitting.  :banghead:  Hopefully this week.  In the meantime,  I finished re-doing the drum brakes on the rear.  Painted the rear drums along with the red band and installed new wheel cylinders and shoes after cleaning and painting the backing plates.  I had ordered a replacement spring kit from Classic Industries but wasn't really happy with it so I cleaned and re-used the original springs and hardware.  Since everything I read said the red strip was applied with a paint bush on the assembly line, I also used a paint brush and was not real careful about drips or "staying within the lines," so to speak, to give it a more authentic look.  I'll also posted some of the "after" brake pictures in the Reference Pictures section.  Anyway, here are some before and after picture so of the brakes. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on October 01, 2011 - 08:11:03 pm
Looks great! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 19, 2011 - 09:09:26 pm
We made some more progress today.  Painted the passenger and trunk compartments.  Here are some pics but it's really hard to get a good pic of black, especially with a flash.  And remember that I applied two coats of undercoating to the passenger compartment so the paint in their will not be smooth.  One step closer to outside paint.   :cooldancing:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 19, 2011 - 09:11:35 pm
A few more pics.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: NHawkins on October 21, 2011 - 02:34:57 pm
Impressive (and diligent) work.  Patience is a virtue! ;)
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 26, 2011 - 08:57:05 pm
Okay, need some help here.  It's been so long since I took the car apart I don't know the answer for this. My body man is working on the doors and he has a question regarding the side view mirror fasteners.  Currently on both doors, one mounting hole has a screw type rubber grommet in it and the other hole is empty.  Also, the door skin where the empty hole is has a small raised dimple around it while the hole with the grommet appears to be flat.  So No. 1, is the second, empty hole, supposed to have the raised dimple around it?; and No.2 what kind of fastener goes in the second empty hole?

BTW, we're talking about a 1970 'Cuda here.

Thanks
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dodj on October 26, 2011 - 10:10:03 pm
The name of the fastener is a riv-nut. It installs like a pop-rivet but leaves a threaded hole. A riv-nut tool looks quite similar to a pop rivet tool, but you screw the riv-nut onto the tool then insert the riv-nut into the hole then squeeze the tool like a pop rivet gun to install the riv-nut. I think they are about $25.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 26, 2011 - 11:27:06 pm
Thanks dodj.  So I assume there is a riv-nut in both holes on each door?  Just seems weird that both my doors are missing the exact same riv-nut, if that is true.  And the raised dimple around the hole is normal?

thanks again,l
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: johns cuda shop on October 27, 2011 - 12:37:27 pm
Love your car!! Nice work on the restoration.The door mirror takes a 10-24 thread rivit nut. Harbour Frieght Tools has the Rivet nut tool for $16 ,it even comes with several size rivet nuts .
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 27, 2011 - 09:20:35 pm
Thanks John.  It's definitely been a labor of love.  :smilielol:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 29, 2011 - 07:10:43 pm
Well had a slight change in plans.  Ron, my body man, is out of work right now so he has been working on the 'Cuda pretty much exclusively.
Instead of just painting the shell and rear quarters as was the original plan, Ron now wants to do the entire car at once.  Plus I'm going to be out of town for two weeks and I wanted to be here to see it painted.  Anyway, he started on the rear deck lid and doors this week.  The deck lid is done except for the final sand and the doors are almost ready for primer.  On one of the doors he had to repair some previous hack job attempt at body work when they drilled holes in the door and used a slide hammer.  He is a perfectionist, which is good considering the car will be black, and makes sure every little imperfection is gone so it's taking awhile.  While I'm gone he'll finish the doors and tackle the fenders and hood.  Hopefully, unless he lands a job in the next two weeks, the entire car will be ready for paint when I return.  Here are some pics of the progress.   
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 29, 2012 - 09:01:00 pm
Well we're a couple of steps closer to paint.  My body man spent two Sats working on the hood that didn't have any obvious dents in it when he started.  He just kept going over and over it getting all the low and high spots fixed.  With the car going to be black it will sure look good when it's painted.  Also, sprayed and blocked the doors one more time.  I mounted the dash frame and steering column and mounted the tires and wheels so we have a roller to make it easier to load on the trailer to take to the  paint shop when the time comes.  I love the current stance without the front torsion bars.  Talk about "bigs" and "littles,"   :bigsmile:  Here's a few pics of the recent progress and a couple of my Grandkids "driving" Grandpa's 'Cuda.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: GranCuda1970 on March 29, 2012 - 11:22:14 pm
Future Mopar Maniacs!!  :burnout:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on March 30, 2012 - 09:30:50 pm
Won't be long till you hear..." Grampa can I borrow the Cuda!"  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: jimynick on March 30, 2012 - 09:38:16 pm
What a couple of cutsie wootsies! I remember being in my Dad's stock car as a wee child and these kids will likely never forget Grampa's Cuda, either. Make sure you take them for a ride when you get it on the road again!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on March 30, 2012 - 09:46:53 pm
What a couple of cutsie wootsies! I remember being in my Dad's stock car as a wee child and these kids will likely never forget Grampa's Cuda, either. Make sure you take them for a ride when you get it on the road again!  :thumbsup:

Hey! Do you have any pictures of your Dad's stock car? :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 22, 2012 - 11:16:33 am
After three years of hard work, mostly by Ron, my best friend and paint and body man, we were able to lay some color down on my 1970 'Cuda today. Sorry about the glare from the paint both lights, but you get the idea. Ron, as usual, did an outstanding job! Two coats of color and three coats of clear. Can't wait to see it in the sun and after Ron color sands and buffs it out. :-)
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Sleepychallenger on July 22, 2012 - 11:55:58 am
There are no words.....  :drool:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: HP_Cuda on July 22, 2012 - 12:13:47 pm

Lookin great!

I sure would like to borrow you buddy for a weekend.... :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 72cudamaan on July 22, 2012 - 12:41:37 pm
Just gorgeous ! Can't wait to see it assembled.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Cuda416 on July 22, 2012 - 12:57:51 pm
Wow, I can only hope my car turns out that nice.

-C
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on July 22, 2012 - 03:28:25 pm
 :drool:   black cuda....
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 23, 2012 - 07:11:21 pm
Thank you for the compliments everybody.  I brought her home today and here are some pics before we unloaded her from the trailer. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on July 23, 2012 - 07:35:54 pm
SWEET!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Charles on July 24, 2012 - 10:57:08 am
That black looks so cool, your guy definitely did a great job! You're really going to enjoy riding around in that beast, everyone is going to be staring and giving you big thumbsups. haha.

I was going to re-paint my challenger black, but after owning a black G6, it's impossible to keep it clean around my area with all dust/dirt. But it looks so cool... haha
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 71340RT on July 24, 2012 - 11:48:08 am
Looks great I love black on these cars.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 24, 2012 - 12:14:26 pm
My first 'Cuda was black and I swore never again.  And until now, I've kept that promise.  But this one won't be a daily driver and will be under a car cover most of the time and will have a California Duster in the trunk.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Duff on July 25, 2012 - 08:08:25 pm
Looking awesome!  I like the L-60's on the back too.  Takes me back... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 29, 2012 - 01:15:52 pm
Ron came over yesterday and "cut and buffed" the new paint.  I have to admit I cringed when he got out the sand paper and started sanding that beautiful black paint.  But as you can see it came out like a mirror or as I like to say "liquid glass!"
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on July 29, 2012 - 01:17:52 pm
 :wow:  that looks like a mile deep at least  :drool:   amazing work  :worshippy
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: MizzouRT on July 29, 2012 - 02:46:12 pm
My first 'Cuda was black and I swore never again.  And until now, I've kept that promise.  But this one won't be a daily driver and will be under a car cover most of the time and will have a California Duster in the trunk.   :2thumbs:

Yes, I had a black Cuda (no AC) and also swore never again!  But with the quality of work your body man is doing, the black will be worth all the pain for how hot it looks...
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 29, 2012 - 03:59:29 pm
Thanks Dutch and MizzouRT. 
BTW, does anybody know how close "Hot Rod Black" is to the original color on the tail panel? Ron seems to think that it's very close and wants to use that since the original color seems to be a pain to get/match.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: johns cuda shop on July 29, 2012 - 06:28:10 pm
 :wow:Ohhhh! Baby!! I bet you can't wait to show her off.!! Great work!!! I plan on Black exterior on mine using hotrod black on my tail panel and grille.. It does look like a little more gloss than the original organsol but I barely can notice. Its really up to how pickey you are. BTW I am glad you recieved your door handles and marker lenses. I look foward to your car coming together. :bigsmile: 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on July 29, 2012 - 09:00:26 pm
Thanks Dutch and MizzouRT. 
BTW, does anybody know how close "Hot Rod Black" is to the original color on the tail panel? Ron seems to think that it's very close and wants to use that since the original color seems to be a pain to get/match.


Here's the Organosol tail panel paint code.

Shouldn't be that hard to have made.
It isn't supposed to have a texture. Unlike what some may claim.

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7136/organosolblackmixsheet.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/organosolblackmixsheet.jpg/)

Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: GranCuda1970 on July 29, 2012 - 11:16:17 pm
Absolutely fantastic shine!!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 30, 2012 - 11:59:53 pm
Thanks Topcat.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on July 31, 2012 - 12:50:30 am
Thanks Topcat.  :2thumbs:


How mine came out.

(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/407/cudapainted26.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/337/cudapainted26.jpg/)

Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 31, 2012 - 01:05:42 am
Looks perfect!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: mrbill426 on August 07, 2012 - 04:49:02 pm
Great project, looking GOOD!!  :2thumbs:


Ron came over yesterday and "cut and buffed" the new paint.  I have to admit I cringed when he got out the sand paper and started sanding that beautiful black paint.  But as you can see it came out like a mirror or as I like to say "liquid glass!"
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on December 14, 2012 - 08:40:34 pm
Last weekend I sold some used truck rims that wouldn't fit my new truck.  This gave me some extra money to pay a couple of guys to install the vinyl top my wife bought me for my birthday last Sept.  I had thought about trying this myself.  After watching these two guys, boy am I glad that I didn't.  There is definitely an art to it and these guys were pros.  Best money I ever spent, at least recently.   :roflsmiley:
Here's some pics of the installation.  Now it's time to start polishing the stainless trim pieces before installing those.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on December 14, 2012 - 08:42:23 pm
A couple more pics of the finished product!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: don340-4 on December 14, 2012 - 09:56:08 pm


  Brad, Your car looks awsome, Black with the vinyl top is just beautiful, will love to see it when it is finished.

    :wavingflag:

       
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: barracuda7199 on December 14, 2012 - 11:13:19 pm
that is so sweet love a black car! sure is some deep wet paint you definitely got your moneys worth judging by the shine alone!!!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: GranCuda1970 on December 15, 2012 - 12:14:15 am

  Brad, Your car looks awsome, Black with the vinyl top is just beautiful, will love to see it when it is finished.

    :wavingflag:

       

 :iagree:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 01, 2013 - 08:16:14 pm
Weather has warmed up and I've started making some progress on the 'Cuda again.  Started to install a new head liner last week but found out I was missing one of the bow clips.  Found one on E-Bay for $3, $4 shipping, naturally.  :smilielol:  So the headliner is on hold until the bow clip arrives.  Ron, my paint and body man, came over Sat and he sprayed the tail light panel and tail light grills.  He use "Hot Rod Black" which seems to be the closest to original and color of choice now for the panels.  I was a little concerned at first because even after drying a few hours it was still very glossy.  However, a check the next morning showed that it had dulled very evenly and looked great.  Also, received my NOS "'Cuda" tail panel emblem from a forum member earlier in the week.  I'll install that in a few more days after the paint has cured well.  Does anybody have the exact measurements of where the 'Cuda emblem goes?  I don't want to guess.   Here's a few pics of the painting.  Enjoy.
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 01, 2013 - 08:23:31 pm
One more question regarding the headliner install.  I've read several threads here on the proper installation and RestoRicks write up along with a U-tube video.  Some mention using headliner "clips" to hold the edges in place.  Others don't mention them and say to use pony clamps, etc.  Year One and others also sell the clamps, others do not.  My question is, are the clamps that Year One sells permanent or are they just used to hold the head liner in place while the glue drys?  When I removed my old headliner it didn't have any clamps so I'm assuming they are just temporary but want to make sure.   :feedback:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 7212Mopar on April 01, 2013 - 08:29:06 pm
I just finished installing the headliner with the front and back glass not removed, my very first attempt. Definitely not pro grade as there are a few wrinkles. Hopefully the heat gun will take care of them after I install the rest of the trims. BTW, I used lots of binder clips, the stuff you get from stationary stores. They seems to work very good.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 12, 2013 - 04:21:17 pm
I finally finished attaching the trim, lights, gas tank filler tube, & 'Cuda emblem to the rear tail panel.  Also installed the trunk lock mechanism and rod shield in the trunk.  Polished up the key mechanism on the tail panel and I have to say the difference is amazing.  It looks like new now.  Just noticed that in the picture the gas tank appears to be hanging lower on the driver's side.  Will have  to put it on the lift and check this out.  Now to finish the headliner.  Injury to my knee last month put that on hold but I think I'm up to finishing it now.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dutch on May 12, 2013 - 04:39:11 pm
looking super nice   :2thumbs:   cant wait to see some outdoor pics  :picture:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: burdar on May 12, 2013 - 05:34:42 pm
The factory headliner clips are very small and stay inplace.  They don't hinder the installation of the side trim.  If you have them, use them.  If not, just use a good amount of glue and those orange rubber dipped spring clamps.  Once the glue is dry, the headliner isn't going anywhere.  The side trim clips slip right over the same lip that the headliner clips attach to.  They will hold it inplace.

The car is looking very nice! I hope the tank being crooked is an easy fix. Are the tank braces that weld to the trunk floor original?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 12, 2013 - 05:44:46 pm
Thanks Burdar. Just so happens I did find about 8 of those headliner clips in my parts stash so I will use them and leave them on.
Re the gas tank, no the tank braces are not original.  We had to install a whole new trunk floor pan and braces.  However, the tank was level before I lowered it slightly to install the gas filler neck. Ended up having to cut a little larger hole in the floor pan to get it in.  Who knew that something so easy could end up being such a PIA.,  especially since we had already test fit it.   :clueless: Apparently when I tightened the gas tank straps back up I didn't get it even and hadn't noticed until today.  I'm sure it will be an easy fix.  Also, thought I was doing good to find and buy a NOS "Cuda" emblem instead of one of the repos.   After 43 years the backing was permanently stick to the sticky tape on the back of the emblem.  Another simple job turned into a nightmare trying to get the backing off without destroying the tape.  Ended up using some cement to attach it as all the "sticky" was gone from the tape by the time I got the backing of.  I hope this is not an indication of what's to come with the rest the restoration.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 07, 2013 - 01:37:13 pm
Making more progress, slow but steady.  I've come to the conclusion that I have two many projects/hobbies.  Consequently I can't devote the time to the 'Cuda that I'd like.  Anyway, sanded, polished and installed the trim around the bottom of the vinyl top and finally finished the new headliner install.  Test fit the visors, RV mirror, dome light, front and rear window trim/moldings and side moldings.  They will all have to be removed and repainted with some SEM Landau black, but at least the headliner itself is done.  For my first headliner it came pretty good if I do say so myself.  Minimum wrinkles and I haven't hit it with any heat yet so it should tighten up nicely when I do.  I did put a small kink in the bottom of the passenger side sail panel.  I'm hoping the side trim will cover most of it if not all. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on July 09, 2013 - 07:42:32 am
Looks great! Go man go!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 09, 2013 - 12:03:18 pm
Thanks Brad  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: johns cuda shop on July 09, 2013 - 12:32:35 pm
Headliner install looks great. Keep up the great work!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 09, 2013 - 01:03:09 pm
Thanks John,
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on December 26, 2013 - 10:09:08 pm
Itís been a while since I posted any updates on my ĎCuda restoration.  Primarily because until the past month there has been very few.  Had a very busy summer which took up most of my ĎCuda time.   The past two months Iíve been working on the interior whenever I get a chance.  Below is a summary of what Iíve accomplished.
1.   Installed Dynamat on the interior floor, rear fender wells and partly up the firewall.
2.   Covered all the seams in the Dynamat with foil tape.  If I had it to do again, Iíd forget this step.  Foil tape is a PIA to work with, and it took just as long to tape the seams as it did to lay the Dynamat.  Considering how close the Dynamat gaps are, I donít believe there is any advantage to taping the seams.
3.   Re-installed the OEM firewall and kick panel insulation pads.  Considering they are 40 years+ old, they were in good condition and I just purchased some new push pins and re-mounted them.  I did have to purchase new Jute type firewall insulation for the upper firewall as the OEM stuff fell apart when I took it off.
4.   Mounted the heater box.  I had completely disassembled, installed a new heater core, foam, painted, tested the blower motor, etc. over a year ago.
5.   Installed my rebuilt/reconditioned 3-speed wiper motor.
6.   Installed and adjusted the rear quarter windows.  It took me several hours of trial and error to figure out how to attach the window itself to the crank mechanism.  Once I did, I installed the second window in 30 minutes.  I have to say that a search of C.C. com and even the other ďdark sideĒ mopar web-site were of no use in figuring this out.  All the posts of diagrams from the manual were too small to make out and all the step by step instructions dealt with the doors and how to install the hardware, but not the window itself.  Installing the crank and window slider brace where relatively easy as all you had to do was match up the bolt holes.  But attaching the window was a whole different story.  Maybe the window installation is self-evident to most people, but it sure had me stumped for a while.
7.   I removed all the interior window molding, ďAĒ pillar moldings and interior roof moldings that I had test fit after I installed the new headliner earlier in the year.
8.   I then cleaned, prepped and painted all the pieces with SEM Landua Black and re-installed them.
9.  Installed the driver's side fresh air vent.
10.   Glued in the trunk lid rubber gasket material.
11.   Iím currently in the process of painting the visors and rear view mirror casing and stem.

That pretty much brings me up to date.  Iíve attached some pictures of the progress. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on December 26, 2013 - 10:10:10 pm
Here's a few more pics.
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Post by: sadil340 on December 27, 2013 - 09:13:49 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :ylsuper: :thumbsup:
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Post by: dutch on December 27, 2013 - 05:43:41 pm
very nice  :cheers:
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Post by: MOPAR FANATIC on December 27, 2013 - 06:06:05 pm
 :ylsuper: GREAT job on the headliner and vinyl top.looks excellent.................  :worshippy

oh ya,man do i love black cars,this is gonna be a beauty.  :droolingbounce:

 :cheers: Dave..................
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Post by: loco340cuda on December 27, 2013 - 09:11:59 pm
Looking good, it's coming along nicely.
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Post by: usraptr on December 28, 2013 - 03:20:07 pm
Made some more progress yesterday.  Cleaned, prepped and painted the sun visors, rear view mirror casing, and rear seat plastic side panels.  Also, made and taped in place some vapor barriers for the side quarter window area.
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Post by: loco340cuda on December 28, 2013 - 08:50:29 pm
What paint are you using on the visors and interior panels?
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Post by: usraptr on December 28, 2013 - 09:36:46 pm
SEM Landau Black.  :2thumbs:
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Post by: turbo224 on December 30, 2013 - 01:34:11 am
Car looks great! Nice it see another member on the site from Utah.
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Post by: Street_Challenged73 on December 30, 2013 - 04:14:36 am
Very nice job!! :2thumbs: :grinyes:
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Post by: HP_Cuda on December 30, 2013 - 04:57:57 pm

Nice job! Looks like I will be traveling down that road soon since I can save my interior pieces!

 :2thumbs:
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Post by: usraptr on December 30, 2013 - 07:17:11 pm
Thanks, I installed the rear view mirror and sun visors yesterday.  They both look like brand new.  I'll post some pics after I get the rear seat side panels installed.  I do need to buy new tips for the sun visors though.  I accidentally broke one while taping them off for painting. Looks like Year One has them.
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Post by: usraptr on January 01, 2014 - 10:26:01 pm
Wow, itís actually starting to look somewhat like a finished car now!  Cleaned and painted the back seat inside quarter panel covers; glued the insulation to the package tray and rear seat divider board; installed all and then installed the rear seat back rest.  Also, painted the rear view mirror mount, the mirrorís rubber casing and the sun visors and installed.  Sorry about the finger prints.  Nothing like a flash to show off your smudges.  Also, sanded and polished the three pieces that make up the passenger side drip railings and installed those.  Currently working on restoring the E-Brake assembly. 
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Post by: turbo224 on January 02, 2014 - 04:26:04 pm
Looks excellent! Certainly gives me motivation to work on mine!
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Post by: loco340cuda on January 02, 2014 - 06:08:53 pm
Looks excellent! Certainly gives me motivation to work on mine!

 :iagree:
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Post by: kwikkawi on February 08, 2014 - 03:09:35 am
It's looking great Brad!!! I was wondering if you have any pics of how you hooked up the parking brake cable to the parking brake foot pedal? I just got new cables for my '70 'Cuda that I am restoring and am trying to figure out how the cable attaches to the pedal? Thanks ... Roy
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Post by: usraptr on February 08, 2014 - 11:30:13 am
kwikkawi, I haven't installed the parking brake yet.  However, I am in the process of restoring it now and will post pics when I'm done.  Unfortunately, I'm having shoulder surgery on Monday so won't get back to it for a week or so. 
It's sort of hard to explain without pics but I'll try.  First it's easier to hook up the cable before the assembly is bolted to the firewall.  On the side of the assembly, on the right side, is a small horseshoe shaped metal bracket that is held to the assembly with a bolt.  It's either a 3/8 or 7/16 head.  If it's not already, loosen the bolt and  pass the cable through the horseshoe bracket towards the middle of the assembly.  In the middle of the assembly is a clevis type pin.  You'll have to move the pedal around so that the ratchet assembly moves so that you can see and get to the pin through one of the access holes in the assembly.  Remove the pin, slide the cable up to where the pin was and re-insert the pin through the end of the cable.  Then tighten the horseshoe shaped bracket on the side of the assembly.
Now that it's clear as mud, good luck.  :2thumbs:
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Post by: usraptr on February 19, 2014 - 11:18:46 pm
Been slowly plugging along with the interior pieces.  Didnít get much done in Jan due to moving my parents into an assisted living facility and the unexpected passing of my younger sister due to a traffic accident. 

Anyway, finally got my parking brake assembly restored.  Also just finished restoring the clutch and brake pedal assembly.  Painted the bare metal parts with ďMetal MaskĒ paint. Still need to get new pads for the clutch and brake pedal, and a clutch pedal bumper, but otherwise theyíre done. The previous owner cut the clutch pedal safety switch wire and after some help from forum members today I found out what the switch is called and how much a new one is.  Consequently, Iíll try and splice a new push pin connector onto it and see if it works before I spend almost $300 for a new one.
   
Additionally I removed and restored my VIN plate.  Sanded out several deep scratches, re-painted and re-applied the Chrysler Logo and Pen Star with a transfer from ECS and then re-attached it to the dash pad with the factory correct rivets, also provided by ECS.

Blacked out the inside cowl area, restored my wiper pivots and arms and re-installed these.

Got my ACC carpet today and Iím pretty sure they sent me the wrong carpet.  This carpet is split down the middle instead of having front, side to side, and rear side to side, sections. 

Purchased some Butyl tape today along with windshield calking and hope to get the rear window installed this Sat along with the SS trim.  Iíve been slowing sanding and polishing the rear window trim and I only have one piece left.  Thank Heaven.  Talk about tedious work.
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Post by: usraptr on February 19, 2014 - 11:19:52 pm
A few more pics to go with the last post.
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Post by: brads70 on February 19, 2014 - 11:45:20 pm
Wow , parts look great and all , but sorry to hear about your sister!  :sadwavey:
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Post by: usraptr on February 20, 2014 - 12:03:38 am
Thanks Brad. I appreciate the sentiment.

Just as a side note, found out I do have the right carpet afterall.  I didn't have it positioned correctly in the car.  What a moron!  :clueless: :banghead:

Hopefully I won't make to many more bone headed mistakes like this with the rest of the restoration.
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Post by: usraptr on February 21, 2014 - 08:36:04 pm
   kwikkawi, don't know if you're still lurking around, but if you are, I installed and hooked up my parking brake today.  First of all let me correct myself from my earlier post and say it's not easier to hook up the cable before you bolt the assembly in place.  Bolt the assembly in place first, although only hand tighten the the bolt, and two nuts.  If you look at the attached pictures you will see a round hole in the middle of the assembly.  That is where the cable connects and you use a clovis type pin to connect the cable to the assembly.  It has one of the squash washers that goes over the pin and holds the pin in place.  Below that you will see the small horseshoe shaped clamp that holds the side of the cable in position, just below the rod where the spring stops.  Hope this helps.  When finished don't forget to tighten the bolt and two nuts.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 21, 2014 - 08:53:20 pm
In addition to installing my parking brake assembly and connecting the cable, I also installed my carpet today.  While not necessarily hard, it's definitely time consuming as you (or at least me) would take it in and out to measure, re-measure and cut.  Even with that I made one small mistake in the rear that I patched with a small piece of left over carpet and double sided tape.  As you can see I didn't cut the holes for the 4-speed yet or the seat belt holes. There is no rush and  I figured I'd let the carpet "settle" a little bit more first.  I sat the rear seat cushion in place to see how it looks, and I like it.   :cooldancing:  Looking more like a finished car every day.  In anticipation of installing the rear seat cushion I started cleaning my rear seat belts yesterday.  I soaked them in hot water and Woolite in a wash basin and scrubbed them with a stiff bristle tire brush.  I was amazed at how well they came out.  They look almost new.  Anyway, today I went to do the same with the front seat re tractors so I could install them under the rear carpet and in the plastic housing and I can't find them.  :pullinghair:  I searched my parts room and found the in-board belts and the shoulder harnesses, but no outside re-tractor belts.  Since the seats were out of the car when I bought it, I'm not sure if these belts were even there, although the carpet was.   I'm going to go back and look at my old pics and see if I can see if they were present when I bought the car.  I imagine that they aren't cheap.  Anyway, hopefully tomorrow my paint and body man will come over and we'll install the rear window and trim.  I finally finished sanding and polishing it and it looks like chrome!  :2thumbs:
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Post by: sadil340 on February 22, 2014 - 05:05:54 pm
 :wow:

Gotta love this stage! Very nice!!
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Post by: usraptr on February 22, 2014 - 09:38:18 pm
Thanks sadi340.  Today I installed the rear seat belts in the car as pictured below.  I also took a picture of them before installation, well before I installed the last three anyway  :bigsmile:  As you can see my Woolite wash job brought them back to life.  I was very happy with how they came out considering how dirty and stiff they were before I cleaned them.  They even had a little paint over-spray on them from a previous re-paint of the car.  Just used some fine steel wool on the chrome and re-sprayed the buckles with some SEM black landau paint.   I also dug out my shoulder belts and started the Woolite cleaning process on those and painted the retaining clips with the SEM black landau also along with spraying the final coat of paint on my driver's bucket seat frame rails.
My body man came over today and we installed the rear window.  First he had to drill and install eight of the molding clips since he installed new quarters and a new dutch-man panel.   I let him do this as he's more familiar than I am with where those clips needed to go to hold the molding tight.  Also, never having every installed a windshield or any type of glass for that matter, I needed his experience for that also.  Even though he's not a "glass man", I'm glad I had him do this.  It would have been a disaster if I had tried to do it without him.  Again, his experience with how high the glass should sit in relationship to the roof line and molding clips was invaluable.  As you can see by the pics, we haven't installed the molding yet as we want to let the glass adhesive set first and I need to take a razor blade and clean up the overage.
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Post by: loco340cuda on February 23, 2014 - 02:45:25 pm
Coming along nicely.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: johns cuda shop on February 23, 2014 - 02:54:04 pm
Looking Great..  :bigsmile:
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Post by: Cudaragtop on March 23, 2014 - 12:37:15 pm
Very nice work on the Cuda! :2thumbs: :popcorn:
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Post by: usraptr on March 23, 2014 - 01:24:34 pm
Thanks everybody.   :2thumbs:  I'm currently rebuilding my steering column.  I have it completely apart and I'm media  blasting all the old paint off it at the current time.  Going to be a lot of traveling in the next two months so I'm not sure when I'll get it done.  :dunno:
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Post by: HP_Cuda on March 23, 2014 - 02:25:14 pm
 :2thumbs:

Did your guy use rubber spacers at the bottom of your rear window, can't see any but it looks like it might be in the right position.

When done right the window trim will lay flat against your window, whereas if the window is set to far in you will see gaps.

B
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Post by: usraptr on March 24, 2014 - 11:01:43 am
He used wooden shims/spacers which have now been removed.
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Post by: usraptr on December 18, 2015 - 09:00:55 pm
Almost two years ago I thought I'd be finished with the restoration and have my '70 Triple Black matching No.s 440, 4-speed 'Cuda back on the road again.  However, my back had other plans.  After two major back surgeries, discectomy and fusion, back to back in 2014 (L3 &4) and again in 2015 (L2), my Dr. finally gave me permission to resume normal activities.  Two years ago I had just removed and completely disassembled my steering column and started media blasting the painted parts.  Two years later my steering column is still in a thousand parts.  Fortunately I took a lot of pictures while disassembling it and have a manual, so when the time comes hopefully I'll be able to get it back together.  Today I went back out to my shop and finished media blasting the rest of the painted steering column.   Next is to strip the dash frame in preparation for primer.  Then I'll spray both the dash frame and steering column parts.  In anticipation of putting the dash back together, I'm going to send my original AM 8-Track radio in for refurbishing and repair of both the radio and 8 track.  I considered doing one of the modern digital conversions to AM/FM, etc, but considering the radio was a one year option, I think I'll leave it stock as it's sort of rare.  Besides, I'll be listening to the beautiful 440 most of the time anyway.  :)  I've talked to both S/M Electro-Tech and Retro Radio Restoration.  They are the only people I've found who will still work on 8 track radios.   They both charge about the same and have the same back log (15-16 weeks).  I haven't decided who to go with yet; any suggestion, past experience, recommendations?   :feedback:

I'm also going to send in my power brake booster to "Booster" Dewey at Power Brake Booster Exchange to be rebuilt next week.

It felt really good to be working on the 'Cuda again, but my lower back muscles aren't to happy right now with all the leaning over while blasting the parts.  Thanks to all of your who have continued to post your restoration progress as it has kept me motivated to get back to mine.   :ylsuper: Hopefully, the back will hold out this time I'll be able to continue to make progress. 
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Post by: loco340cuda on December 18, 2015 - 09:07:51 pm
Glad to hear you are back at it!  Post some picts and share some details on the column restoration.  I will be restoring my column in the next couple of months and it would be good to see how others have gone about it.

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Post by: sadil340 on December 19, 2015 - 01:06:50 pm
I spent a fair amount for tunes in my car and like you said I rarely use it because I prefer to listen to the 340.
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Post by: mrbill426 on December 19, 2015 - 01:30:46 pm
These things take time.  With ever-changing priorities and budgets, our car has been in pieces for 11 years now.  It is what it is.

 :working:
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Post by: usraptr on February 16, 2016 - 11:22:28 am
Okay, finally made some progress worth reporting.  I've been working on restoring my dash, steering column and center console for several weeks now.   It's amazing how much time it takes when you're re-doing/cleaning/painting every single screw,bolt, nut, chrome piece, and trying to sand/polish out all the fine scratches on the plastic cover that goes over the Rallye dash gauges.   Anyway, I finally finished the center console today.  In addition to giving it a good cleaning and new paint job, I removed the old wood worn grain decal and added a new (correct for 1970) decal.  I don't know if it was just the lack of technology in those days, or assembly line workers, etc. but the fit and finish on these plastic center consoles leave a lot to be desired.  Especially how the console door fits when closed.  I seem to remember that my original '70 'Cuda console door didn't fit very well either, but this one is really bad, even after adjusting the hinge, and latch several times.  I also stripped my entire metal dash frame down, primered it and re-sprayed with the factory correct suede lacquer.  I'm still waiting for my new dash pad, so it isn't done yet, but these two pics give you an idea how the paint turned out on the metal portion of the frame that shows. I was ready to start the reassembly on the steering column when I accidentally dropped the column tube and chipped the paint.   :swear: :banghead: so I've got to sand, re-primer and paint it again.   :pullinghair: 
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Post by: loco340cuda on February 16, 2016 - 12:58:36 pm
That looks great.  What paint did you use for your dash frame?
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Post by: lulurocks on February 16, 2016 - 01:14:48 pm
 :woo:

looks very nice.  I'm doing the same thing as we speak , I cant believe how much time.... AND MONEY... I have into my dash gauges to do it right.

and im just building a driver ...


again looks sweet . :wavingflag:

ken
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Post by: usraptr on February 16, 2016 - 01:33:10 pm
That looks great.  What paint did you use for your dash frame?

I used an acrylic lacquer that is supposed to be the same stuff they used at the factory.  $90 a pint!  :22yikes:  I only used it on the portion of the dash frame that is exposed.  I used a flat black on the rest of the frame that is covered.  I also used the acrylic lacquer on the steering column.
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Post by: usraptr on February 16, 2016 - 01:40:30 pm
:woo:

looks very nice.  I'm doing the same thing as we speak , I cant believe how much time.... AND MONEY... I have into my dash gauges to do it right.

and im just building a driver ...


again looks sweet . :wavingflag:

ken

I agree about the money.  Fortunately, my Rallye dash gauges are all functional according to a bench test and are in good shape cosmetically.  I did have to buy a new clock though since the original was missing when I bought the car.  That was a few years ago and if I remember right it was north of $300.   :scared:  I've lost count of the number of hours I've spent sanding and then polishing the plastic cover that goes over the gauges in an attempt to get rid of the scratches.  Every time I think I'm done, I look at it again and find more scratches and start over again.  And the sad thing is once it's inside the car/dash with the indirect lighting the fine scratches I see when I hold it up to the light with probably not show.  I hate being OCD about stuff like that.   :banghead:
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Post by: Challenger in NC on February 19, 2016 - 06:25:04 pm
Is there another source for the black dash paint? What would be a close match? Not sure I want to pay $100 for it. If I can find something in a rattle can that is close, I'll go with that.
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Post by: Edison1970 on February 19, 2016 - 08:11:00 pm
If you are not doing a factory restoration, SEM Landau Black came out nice on my dash frame.
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Post by: dodj on February 20, 2016 - 08:24:33 am
Is there another source for the black dash paint? What would be a close match? Not sure I want to pay $100 for it. If I can find something in a rattle can that is close, I'll go with that.
I used a $10 rattle-can of semi-gloss black for the dash frame. Did it about 20 years ago and still looks great IMO. The only numbers that match on my car are the ones on the tires, so being 'a bit' different from the factory is of no concern of mine.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 20, 2016 - 10:43:24 am
If you are not doing a factory restoration, SEM Landau Black came out nice on my dash frame.



Edison 1970 is correct.  SEM Black Landau is almost a perfect match.  The only difference will be that you won't get the texture of the original acrylic lacquer.  However, I've read that several people have sprayed from a distance to add a little texture to the paint surface.  Also, if you dash is original and the ash tray glove box area are original, just clean it good, don't sand it, and spray the SEM over the original paint and you will keep the original texture.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on February 21, 2016 - 10:55:31 am


Edison 1970 is correct.  SEM Black Landau is almost a perfect match.  The only difference will be that you won't get the texture of the original acrylic lacquer.  However, I've read that several people have sprayed from a distance to add a little texture to the paint surface.  Also, if you dash is original and the ash tray glove box area are original, just clean it good, don't sand it, and spray the SEM over the original paint and you will keep the original texture.

Thanks guys. I will clean mine well and see if it really needs a repaint. There are some extra screw holes that need to be filled so I will most likely repaint it, but I'll try not to strip the dash, just scuff the existing paint and reshoot it. Maybe I'll try a hidden area first and see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 13, 2016 - 08:28:26 pm
Fed Ex delivered my early Father's Day, Anniversary and Birthday gifts yesterday.  :bananasmi  Got my 512 stroker kit from 440 source along with a double roller cam chain, hi pressure oil pump, fluid damper clevite bearings, and misc. other parts, etc.  Can't wait to take them to the machine shop next week to have my short block assembled.   :bigsmile: Now to finally make a decision on the cam and get that ordered also. 
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Post by: loco340cuda on March 13, 2016 - 10:39:33 pm
Sweet!
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Post by: usraptr on March 21, 2016 - 10:06:06 pm
Dropped off the above engine  parts  and my new Lunati cam at the machine shop today.  Spent the past few days taking my front suspension/steering apart and replacing ball joints, bushings, tie rod ends, etc.  Those lca bushings were a major PIA to replace.   :pullinghair: :banghead: :swear:  Went to Harbor Freight today and bought a 20 ton press.  Should have done that before I started, might have saved all the cuts, blood blisters and bruises on my hands!  Live and learn.  Now I just have to get a new idler and pitman arm and I should be set for parts.  I want to have the front suspension/steering rebuilt by the time the engine is done so I can mount it and the trans on the K-frame and install in the car without having to worry about doing it later.
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Post by: 70chall440 on March 22, 2016 - 12:50:14 am
Awesome!
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Post by: Challenger in NC on March 22, 2016 - 04:10:33 am
Fed Ex delivered my early Father's Day, Anniversary and Birthday gifts yesterday.  :bananasmi  Got my 512 stroker kit from 440 source along with a double roller cam chain, hi pressure oil pump, fluid damper clevite bearings, and misc. other parts, etc.  Can't wait to take them to the machine shop next week to have my short block assembled.   :bigsmile: Now to finally make a decision on the cam and get that ordered also.

Super cool!
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Post by: brads70 on March 22, 2016 - 08:22:27 am
Fed Ex delivered my early Father's Day, Anniversary and Birthday gifts yesterday.  :bananasmi  Got my 512 stroker kit from 440 source along with a double roller cam chain, hi pressure oil pump, fluid damper clevite bearings, and misc. other parts, etc.  Can't wait to take them to the machine shop next week to have my short block assembled.   :bigsmile: Now to finally make a decision on the cam and get that ordered also.

Exciting times!  :jumping: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 07, 2016 - 10:22:15 pm
After what seemed like forever, I buttoned up the rebuilding of my front suspension and steering on the 'Cuda.  Still need to add a couple grease fittings and find one bolt and nut for the front sway bar bracket, but other wise it's done. (I hope) After cleaning 46 years of grease and grim off the parts they were all wire wheeled and repainted.  As partially stated in my last post, I installed new upper and lower ball joints, new lower control arm bushings (major PIA to replace), new tie rod ends and adjusting sleeves, new idler arm, new 16.1 ratio steering box, new wheel bearings and grease seals, new caliber slide pins, new oversize front strut rods from Mancini Racing after discovering (after cleaning of course) that one of the original OEM rods was bent, rebuilt brake calibers, new brake pads, new brake hoses, new sway bar bushings, new cam alignment bolts, and new upper and lower control arm stops.  I'm sure I've forgotten a few things but that pretty much sums it up.  I wanted to get it done so I can mount the engine and transmission to the K member and install in the car after it gets back from the machine shop later this month.

I also installed new NOS (bought by previous owner in about 1983 and never installed) rear wheel well moldings.  For NOS parts, they sure did a lousy job of bending them to the proper shape.  It took a lot of extra effort on my part to get them to conform to the contour of the wheel wells. 

The pictures really don't do justice to the amount of time and effort that went into doing all this, but I've found that most of the work done on this every nut and bolt restoration is stuff that will never be seen, realized or appreciated by anybody but me.  :-)

It's been several years since I took the front suspension and steering apart.  I think I got it right by doing several searches here on CC.com, referring to the manual and GOOGLE pics, but if you see something that is not installed properly, please let me know so I can correct it now.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: loco340cuda on April 07, 2016 - 11:23:20 pm
That looks great, it is coming along nicely. 

Also, I can appreciate your comment on how the pictures don't capture the amount of time and effort.  Taking out and putting back in the suspension on my car was more of a job then I has anticipated.  :faint:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on April 10, 2016 - 09:24:08 pm
McCreary Tires from Indiana, PA.  Haven't seen them in forever!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 11, 2016 - 10:14:26 am
 
McCreary Tires from Indiana, PA.  Haven't seen them in forever!!

Yeah they were on the car when I bought it.  Super wide at a "G" size.  Almost no tread left.  Think the previous owner did a bit of street racing.  :burnout:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 15, 2016 - 03:54:15 pm
Been busy all week with other projects, but did manage to take some time today to clean, disassemble, replace the seals, reassemble my brake metering block and proportioning valve.  Looks considerable better IMHO.  Just hope it still works.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: loco340cuda on April 15, 2016 - 04:42:06 pm
The brake parts looks great.  I'm a little behind you on my front end coming back together,  Should have the rotors, calipers, and brake lines back on the car this weekend, then I will be caught up to you.   :)

What are you working on next?  For me it is getting the dash back together and in the car, after that putting the rear end back in.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 15, 2016 - 05:39:06 pm
Ordered a new master cylinder today from Mancini Racing. They have a 10% off sale for the next few days.  Once I get that I hope to get the rest of the brake lines hooked up and then bleed the brakes.  The dash is mostly done.  I'm still waiting for my radio to be re-buillt and returned; hopefully by the end of April.  Also, still need to try and re-furbish the heater control panel.  I've tried to paint the letters a couple of times with various paint pens but it never comes out right.  I'm going to give it one more try with model paint and a fine brush and if that doesn't work then I'm just going to bite the bullet and buy a new one.  Engine is at the machine shop so what I hope to start on next week is cleaning up the transmission and paint it.  It was rebuilt by the previous owner but never installed/run.  After paint I'll install the shift linkage.  The machine shop is just doing the short block, so when I get it back I'll order new ProMaxx aluminum heads, Performer intake, Quickfuel carb and dist.  After I paint the short block my son and I will install those and then hook up the trans to engine and then mount them on the K member and install in the car.  I've got an old set of headers that came with the car that I'll install for cam break in and then I'll probably buy a set of TTI headers.  In the meantime, I'm busy building and wrapping a couple of custom fresh water fishing rods for my grand daughters Cystic Fibrosis Walk/raffle the first of May.  I'm also building/wrapping 4 more salt water rods for my annual 7-day Long Range fishing trip out of San Diego in Aug.  And in the middle of all that the wife and I are going on vacation to Jasper Park in Canada in June.  :blah: :blah:   So I'm going to be pretty busy for the rest of the summer. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: sadil340 on April 16, 2016 - 07:24:29 am
I did all the letters in my car with a fine brush. I used the pinstripers' technique - hold the painting hand steady with the other hand. Also, don't try to get the entire letter with the first stroke, just kind of build it up a little at a time.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 16, 2016 - 09:56:37 am
Thanks Sadi340.  :2thumbs:  I'l let you know how it turns out.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 19, 2016 - 06:47:12 pm
I picked up my 'Cuda engine from the machine shop yesterday. The block was line bored and parallel decked to 5 thousands so I should have about 10.5 compression and good quench. 440 Source 512c.i. fully Balanced Stroker with a Lunati Cam with Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .513/.533 and Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 276/284. Should make a ton of horsepower and torque. Waiting now for the Eastwood engine paint, Promaxx aluminum heads, Edlebrock Performer intake, Summit Electronic Distributor and Quickfuel 880 CFM  carb! Then my son and I can mate the trans to the engine and install in the car. This has been a loooong time coming! Hope to hear this beast running by the end of summer!  I also finished cleaning my transmission and painted it today with Eastwood's cast iron paint. I have to admit I was very impressed with the color.  It really likes like fresh cast iron.  You'd really have to examine it close up to see that's it's painted.  I'd like to duplicate the original factory "677" (I think that's it but will verify) paint stamp on the side of the case.  Does anybody know where I can buy the correct size stamps to duplicate the factory stamping?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 19, 2016 - 06:57:31 pm
Have a question about factory transmission markings.  While cleaning 45 years of dirt and grim off my Factory hemi 4-speed I was surprised to see that the original factory stamping and paint inspection marks were in reasonably good shape.  I also noticed an additional number stamping directly above the correct "677" ( I think that's what it was)  This stamping was white instead of light blue and said "?76"/."  Has anybody seen this before and what was the purpose of a second no?  My intention was to just clean up the trans and leave the original stampings and inspection marks but I soaked them overnight with Evaporust to try and clean them up and it completely removed the 677 stamping and really lightened the ?76 stamping so I just went ahead and painted it, but I'm still curious as to why the transmission had two different number stampings?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 73440 on May 19, 2016 - 09:28:04 pm
677 is correct for your 70 Hemi 4 speed E body
There is a 676 for a 70 Hemi or 440 4 speed B body.

Maybe on the assembly line it was first scheduled for a different car
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on May 19, 2016 - 09:34:13 pm
Man that looks good.  I used detail grey on my 904 but the color is not perfect.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 20, 2016 - 09:01:56 am
73440, that makes sense.  It was just sort of odd to see two different numbers on it.  Anyway, do you know where I can buy the correct size stamps to duplicate the factory "677" ?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 73440 on May 20, 2016 - 07:13:53 pm
They may be able to help you here. http://www.iccahome.org/ (http://www.iccahome.org/)

http://www.71sg.com/stamps.html (http://www.71sg.com/stamps.html)
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 20, 2016 - 07:20:32 pm
73440 - Thanks :2thumbs:   :ylsuper:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 73440 on May 20, 2016 - 08:20:31 pm
Your welcome.

Those stamps aren't cheap , are you planning on doing all date code and marks?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 21, 2016 - 09:38:10 am
I WAS BUT AFTER SEEING THOSE PRICES I MAY RECONSIDER. :dunno:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: sadil340 on May 22, 2016 - 08:20:38 am
Maybe you could convince others on the board to do a group buy? Should be enough with the same setup to warrant and it shouldn't cost very much in postage to send from one to the other.. just a thought.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: lulurocks on May 29, 2016 - 08:47:14 pm
This car is sick as hell.. Big block triple black. 4 speed .....


Makes me regret doing purple .....


Dash done yet.? 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on May 30, 2016 - 09:35:28 am
Almost, waiting for  new heater control panel.  I got the radio back last week from being restored but decided that I needed to do a cosmetic restoration on the face plate before re-installing in the dash. Have to assist my wife with girls camp this week but I'll be back to it first thing next week.  Thanks for the compliments lulurocks.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 19, 2016 - 01:26:16 pm
After what seems like forever.  My son and I re-installed the dash in my 'Cuda yesterday and it looks great, even if I do say so myself.  Still have to button up some things and connect a few more wires, and figure out why the "heat," "def" lever won't slide past the "heat" position, (any suggestions are welcome) but it's in.  Can't believe what a difference it makes.  It's actually starting to look like a car again after all these years.  New Dash Pros dash pad, three new speakers from S&M Electro-Tech, Inc who also restored my original AM 8-track radio (including the 8-track) and installed a I-Pod port, new heater control panel from Tony's parts.  My son and I bench tested all the gauges and they worked fine and I sanded and polished the plastic gauge cover.  I stripped and repainted the dash frame with the correct black swede lacquer and repainted any plastic trim pieces.  After I finish the dash installation I'll re-install the restored steering column and the front seats and the interior will be done expect for the center console which will wait until the engine/trans is installed.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: loco340cuda on June 19, 2016 - 07:34:13 pm
Looks great!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on June 19, 2016 - 08:02:44 pm
After what seems like forever.  My son and I re-installed the dash in my 'Cuda yesterday and it looks great, even if I do say so myself.  Still have to button up some things and connect a few more wires, and figure out why the "heat," "def" lever won't slide past the "heat" position, (any suggestions are welcome) but it's in.  Can't believe what a difference it makes.  It's actually starting to look like a car again after all these years.  New Dash Pros dash pad, three new speakers from S&M Electro-Tech, Inc who also restored my original AM 8-track radio (including the 8-track) and installed a I-Pod port, new heater control panel from Tony's parts.  My son and I bench tested all the gauges and they worked fine and I sanded and polished the plastic gauge cover.  I stripped and repainted the dash frame with the correct black swede lacquer and repainted any plastic trim pieces.  After I finish the dash installation I'll re-install the restored steering column and the front seats and the interior will be done expect for the center console which will wait until the engine/trans is installed.


Looks fantastic. What was your procedure for testing the gauges and did you perform the amp bypass procedure?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: cudamadd on June 20, 2016 - 06:07:44 am
Great  job .Very nice indeed  .   :2thumbs: :aussie:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 20, 2016 - 10:04:37 am

Looks fantastic. What was your procedure for testing the gauges and did you perform the amp bypass procedure?

My son's a mechanic and did it a year ago so I'm not sure.  I think he used an ohm meter but I'm not sure.  I'll ask him and get back to you. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 4 speed fish on June 20, 2016 - 04:38:36 pm
Was your shaker cable Knob  mounted in that location from the factory?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 20, 2016 - 05:20:03 pm
Was your shaker cable Knob  mounted in that location from the factory?

I'm 90% sure it was, but could be wrong.  I went off these picture when re-attaching mine.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 20, 2016 - 05:24:53 pm

Looks fantastic. What was your procedure for testing the gauges and did you perform the amp bypass procedure?

This is the response I got from my son; hope this helps.

"I don't think there is a technical name for what we did.  We put power and ground to the various circuits to see if they functioned.  I am fairly certain your book(s) stated it is a 6 volt system at the cluster.  I used my power-probe hooked to a 12v battery you had lying around.  Since we didn't have a 6v source I very lightly rocked the toggle on the power-probe.  This made the lights flicker on/off and gauges twitch/move.  We did this to each gauge and light with the wiring diagram showing us where the power and ground was for each circuit. "
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on June 20, 2016 - 06:24:20 pm
This is the response I got from my son; hope this helps.

"I don't think there is a technical name for what we did.  We put power and ground to the various circuits to see if they functioned.  I am fairly certain your book(s) stated it is a 6 volt system at the cluster.  I used my power-probe hooked to a 12v battery you had lying around.  Since we didn't have a 6v source I very lightly rocked the toggle on the power-probe.  This made the lights flicker on/off and gauges twitch/move.  We did this to each gauge and light with the wiring diagram showing us where the power and ground was for each circuit. "

Thanks. I need to test my gauge cluster out to make sure everything functions as it should before I install it.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 20, 2016 - 07:42:54 pm
Discovered why my heater/defrost cable wouldn't move past half way.  Previous owner apparently broke the cable and re-bent a new loop into the end.  It's only 35" instead of the original 37"s.  :22yikes: Ordered a new cable today.  Hopefully this will solve my problem. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: AU6pack on June 21, 2016 - 03:07:53 am
Very nice project. Great work  :wow:
Title: Q
Post by: usraptr on June 22, 2016 - 06:33:10 pm
Look what finally arrived at my doorstep today!   :bananasmi  Three weeks after the rest of the order.  I feel like a kid who has been anxiously waiting for Christmas morning!  Personally, I think somebody screwed up the order on the heads, but oh well they're here and that's what counts. Now the build can begin, well after I paint the engine. Pro-Maxx (formerly Patriot) aluminum heads; Quickfuel 880 CFM carb, Edelbrock Performer aluminum manifold; McLeod Heavy Duty clutch, Summit Racing Electronic Distributor, coil and ignition box;  Carter hi-performance fuel pump; ARP Head and other bolts; and Quick Fuel carb line.   FYI, I will take the heads to my Machine Shop to have them checked over before installation.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on June 22, 2016 - 07:41:55 pm
Very cool. Will the heads be modified for improved airflow or just inspected?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on June 22, 2016 - 09:46:50 pm
Exciting times ! Gotta love new shiny parts!  :grinyes:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 22, 2016 - 09:50:22 pm
Very cool. Will the heads be modified for improved airflow or just inspected?

Just inspected and the intake push rod hole drilled out to accept a larger diameter push rod.  It's just a street machine.  No need for porting. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 12, 2016 - 09:52:53 pm
Mocked up the Pro Maxx heads and PRW rocker arms today and checked for proper push rod length for this set up compared to my stock length push rods. Surprisingly zero lash on the adjustable push rod checking tool is exactly 9 1/4 inches.  The stock push rods are 9 3/8 inches.  By the time we add the .050 inches to the push rod checking tool length for lifter pre-load they will be virtually identical to the stock length.  Who would have thought?  However, I am going to order 5/16 push rods.  Will check with my engine builder tomorrow.  Now on to painting the block.   
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on July 12, 2016 - 10:07:46 pm
Looks Nice!

You're getting "a head" on your project!.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Cudaragtop on July 13, 2016 - 11:55:42 am
You could also use a 9V battery. I've done that before too.

This is the response I got from my son; hope this helps.

"I don't think there is a technical name for what we did.  We put power and ground to the various circuits to see if they functioned.  I am fairly certain your book(s) stated it is a 6 volt system at the cluster.  I used my power-probe hooked to a 12v battery you had lying around.  Since we didn't have a 6v source I very lightly rocked the toggle on the power-probe.  This made the lights flicker on/off and gauges twitch/move.  We did this to each gauge and light with the wiring diagram showing us where the power and ground was for each circuit. "
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on July 13, 2016 - 03:20:31 pm
Looking good.  Getting close to start-up?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 13, 2016 - 07:01:52 pm
Hopefully by the end of summer.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 14, 2016 - 10:04:22 pm
Spent the whole day in the shop building a makeshift paint booth, and then masking off the engine and engine stand.  Replaced the stock water pump with a 440 source high volume aluminum pump, and installed a new thermostat.  Then painted the back side of the water pump off the engine, painted the engine with the new oil pan and the bell housing.  After two coats of paint, I flipped the engine block over on the engine stand and installed the water pump on the engine and painted the front side of of water pump and housing.  After I was done painting I then took apart my Hurst shifter, that I've been soaking in cleaner for several days.  I cleaned each individual part (amazing after all that soaking how dirty it still was) then buffed them on the wire wheel.  After all the parts were thoroughly cleaned I re-greased all the individual components with marine grease and reassembled.  What a difference.   The chrome shop called and said my my bumpers and Hurst shifter are done so I'll go pick them up tomorrow.  On the way home I stop at my machine shop and pick up my new 5/16 push rods and the new high performance Fel Pro head gaskets.   Slowly but surely.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 14, 2016 - 10:07:13 pm
A few more pictures of the shifter rebuild.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Chryco Psycho on July 14, 2016 - 11:05:03 pm
Not to be a pain , But can you return the intake ? The name on it lies , it is not a performer , the Holley Street Dominator is Faaaar better
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: loco340cuda on July 14, 2016 - 11:47:40 pm
Engine and shifter mechanism look great.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 15, 2016 - 10:06:29 am
Not to be a pain , But can you return the intake ? The name on it lies , it is not a performer , the Holley Street Dominator is Faaaar better

Not sure CP.  I got it from Summit.  I'll give them a call and see.
Thanks
Brad
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 15, 2016 - 11:46:04 am
Not to be a pain , But can you return the intake ? The name on it lies , it is not a performer , the Holley Street Dominator is Faaaar better

CP the reason I went with the Edlebrock was that it was a dual plane vs the single plane of the Dominator.  My car will be a street machine (although hi performance with the 512 stroker and Lunati 704 hydraulic cam) and I've read that single plane manifolds are mainly for high RPM power and racing engines.   Also, I have hood clearance problems with a shaker hood.  Do you still recommend the Dominator for Street driving/performance.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: turbostang7 on July 15, 2016 - 11:59:02 am
He probably meant the street dominator intake
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 15, 2016 - 03:58:46 pm
He probably meant the street dominator intake
I thought that's what he said.   :clueless:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: turbostang7 on July 15, 2016 - 04:50:35 pm
My bad, I see that now. From what I have been told by Mopar friends of mine, is that the street dominator will eat the dual plane performer all day long. they are a great all around performer. There is also a thread that shows the shaker will clear with the street dominator IIRC on here somewhere.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 15, 2016 - 07:10:25 pm
My bad, I see that now. From what I have been told by Mopar friends of mine, is that the street dominator will eat the dual plane performer all day long. they are a great all around performer. There is also a thread that shows the shaker will clear with the street dominator IIRC on here somewhere.

Thanks,   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 16, 2016 - 02:10:44 pm
Okay, per CP's recommendation and several very positive reviews on Summit, I ordered the Holley Street Dominator aluminum intake today.  Hope the Shaker Hood fits.  Will drop off the Edelbrock Performer at UPS when I go into town later today.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 17, 2016 - 01:03:31 pm
Picked up my Front and rear bumpers, Hurst shifter and misc parts from Salt Lake Chrome on Friday.  What a beautiful job they did.  They look better than new.  I highly recommend them.  :2thumbs:  Had another productive day in the shop yesterday (despite the mid 90s temp!)  Unmasked the engine after Thursday's 's paint job and then installed the Pro-Maxx aluminum heads over Fel Pro performance head gaskets!  The engine looks very impressive.  Can't wait to get the rest of it assembled.  Then I installed the Hurst shift linkage and the shift rods on my O.E.M. Hemi 4-speed trans.  I had previously cleaned 45 years of dirt and grime off the shift rods and then coated them with Metal Mask.  (BTW, this stuff really works.  After I bought my '11 Chevy Silverado I cleaned and coated a small spot on my driveshaft.  After 4 years of Utah winters, snow and salt, that one spot is still rust free while the rest of the driveshaft looks like it's been on the bottom or the ocean for several years)  The shift rods were off the trans when I bought the car so I went by the Service Manual (very vague pictures and instructions) and pictures I could find on the Internet.  If you see anything that is incorrectly installed/positioned please let me know.  I then, media blasted, primed and painted the front bucket seat mounting rails.  I hope to install the steering column and front seats next week and the interior will then be essentially done.   :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 20, 2016 - 09:31:47 pm
Had another productive day in the shop working on the 'Cuda today although a lot of what I did isn't really visible/noticeable. After R&R'ing the left lower dash trim panel a dozen times, I finally got it installed so that it didn't have any gaps under the Heater Bezel trim panel. My wife helped me line up and install the steering column. I hooked up the door light switches and buttoned up some more wiring under the dash. After accidentally finding the speed nuts for the bulk head switch box, I installed that.  However,  I added rubber washers under the nuts so they didn't mar the firewall paint. Hooked up the final piece of rear brake line between the proportioning valve and metering block. And finally I installed the front seats into the car. So the interior is 95% done except for the door panels which I have to wait until the doors are painted to install. The inside actually looks like a real car now, except for the no door thing. :-) Interesting side note. I also dug out my retractable lap seat belts and while preparing to clean them in Wool-light, I found a quarter wound up in the retractor mechanism. I checked the date and it was a 1966. You have to wonder how long it had been there. Probably not rare or worth more than $.25 but interesting none the less.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: loco340cuda on July 21, 2016 - 11:31:47 am
Great work, the car is coming along nicely! 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 24, 2016 - 11:40:17 am
Thanks Loco340cuda. We're hoping to get the engine/trans installed in the car by mid August if all goes as planned.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 26, 2016 - 09:25:21 pm
When they say "nut and bolt" restoration, they're not kidding.  Been spending a lot of time on the wire wheel the past few days cleaning 45 years of rust, dirt and grim off various parts, nuts, bolts and washers.  Cleaned, re-primed and painted the rear bumper mounting brackets along with all the assorted bolts, washers and nuts.  Mounted my newly re-chromed rear bumpers today and they look really nice if I do say so myself.  Also, been wiping down my engine bay wire harnesses and electrical connectors with acetone to get the yellow paint off them from various repaints along with grease and road grime.  Noted a few curious bulges under some of the electrical tape so I removed the electrical tape to find some really horrendous/hack job wiring repairs.   :22yikes:  The one on the positive battery cable was particular ugly.  Ingenious, but gross.  The others were just twisted together and then taped.  No solder, electrical connections or shrink wrap.  Glad I found them before I put power to them.   :pullinghair:  So, I've obviously got some electrical repair work to do. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on July 27, 2016 - 12:17:45 pm
When they say "nut and bolt" restoration, they're not kidding.  Been spending a lot of time on the wire wheel the past few days cleaning 45 years of rust, dirt and grim off various parts, nuts, bolts and washers.  Cleaned, re-primed and painted the rear bumper mounting brackets along with all the assorted bolts, washers and nuts.  Mounted my newly re-chromed rear bumpers today and they look really nice if I do say so myself.  Also, been wiping down my engine bay wire harnesses and electrical connectors with acetone to get the yellow paint off them from various repaints along with grease and road grime.  Noted a few curious bulges under some of the electrical tape so I removed the electrical tape to find some really horrendous/hack job wiring repairs.   :22yikes:  The one on the positive battery cable was particular ugly.  Ingenious, but gross.  The others were just twisted together and then taped.  No solder, electrical connections or shrink wrap.  Glad I found them before I put power to them.   :pullinghair:  So, I've obviously got some electrical repair work to do.

Someone before you took the "nut and bolt" restoration and applied the concept to the wiring, literally.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: js29no on July 27, 2016 - 12:31:34 pm
That is scary!!! :puke: :villagers:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Chryco Psycho on July 28, 2016 - 09:13:39 am
I am glad & you will be also that you swapped out the intake for the Street Dom  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 20, 2016 - 02:33:48 pm
Hopefully if all goes as planned we will install the engine and trans into the 'Cuda this coming weekend.   For those that have done this before  I have a question.  Is it easier to install, on the K-frame from below, with the headers already attached to the engine or should I install the headers after the engine is already installed.  I have an old set of unknown brand headers that came with the car that I'm going to use for cam/engine break in.   I will install a set of TTI headers and exhaust later.  I've heard others say that it is a pain to install the headers when the engine is already in the car but I'm not sure of clearances if I install the engine with the test headers already installed.  I realize that the TTI headers will have to be installed with the engine in place but don't want to have to go through this grief twice if avoidable.  I don't want to scratch up the paint in the engine compartment either way.  Advice welcome.  PS, in the attached photos, the headers are just mocked up, not installed and ready to run.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: HP_Cuda on August 20, 2016 - 02:49:13 pm

Heck Yes! Install everything on that block before installing from underneath. (Starter, headers, pullies, accessories, etc)

TTI as well as others have verbiage which states that they don't want you to use their products during break in. I never have had a problem but ymmv. The one thing I will tell you is that after break in if you want to stick the TTI's in there it might be a real pain because of the steering box, rod, and other fun areas.

If you have a lift - then it's a fairly easy chore to pull the 4 Kmember bolts, pull the torsion bars, remove the tranny mount and you can easily get to the motor to swap out the headers.  :2cents:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 20, 2016 - 04:21:31 pm
Thanks HP Cuda.  That sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: cordodge on August 20, 2016 - 08:54:05 pm
Just a thought, it might be easier to just use manifolds and a couple short pieces of pipe to do the cam break in instead of trying to get the old headers out, less chance of scratching anything at least with the old headers :dunno: :2cents:

And yes totally agree its easier from the bottom

Bruce
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on August 20, 2016 - 09:07:26 pm
Excellent progress.  I'm taking notes since I'm a little behind you.  I've cleaned so many parts in my life.  I can't look at a project without first thinking about cleaning for paint.  It sure is tempting to buy newly coated hardware.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 26, 2016 - 08:53:28 pm
Agree cordodge, but while I have the OEM manifolds I don't have any of the old exhaust system whatsoever so it would cost me to buy or have new pipes made, even if only a few feet long so that's why I decided to just use the old headers rather than buy pipes for a single 20 minute use.  I'll just drop the engine down again when I get the TTI headers since I have a lift in my shop.  redo1973 I fully agree.  When they say "nut and bolt" restoration I know exactly what they mean.  I already replaced half a dozen wire wheels that I've worn out cleaning parts.  Like you I've been tempted to just buy new hardware, but I'm trying to use original parts as much as possible, but I have had to break down and buy a few as the previous owner didn't do a real good job of labeling some and also when it comes to engine mounts and such I wanted new, none fatigued bolts for safety. 

Anyway, it's been a busy couple of days. After my supplier sent me the wrong clutch, I received the replacement on Thursday and installed it on Friday along with the bell housing, etc. With some much needed help from my wife I got the transmission installed also. Today I installed the transmission mount on the trans. and dropped the K frame out of the car. So tomorrow my three sons are coming over and we will install the engine on the K frame and then install the engine and transmission into the car. It's been a Looooong time coming. Can't wait to see the engine and trans. in the car!  FYI, I'm not going to run these original valve covers.  I just put them in place while we install the engine so I don't scratch up the new aluminum valve covers.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: loco340cuda on August 26, 2016 - 09:02:14 pm
The engine and front end look great.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on August 27, 2016 - 08:54:33 am
Looks awesome. What paint did you use to simulate the cosmoline on the LCA's?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 27, 2016 - 03:16:52 pm
For the first time since 1983 my 'Cuda has a heart and lungs!  My son came over this morning and we got the the engine and transmission and torsion bars installed.  Now just to figure out how to hook up the various wires and gas lines and hit her with the paddles so she comes alive!!  Sorry about all the dust in the engine compartment.  I ran out of Meguiars spray wax. I'll add one thing.  She's definitely a lot heavier to push and harder to steer with the extra weight of the engine and trans.   :22yikes:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 28, 2016 - 02:16:04 pm
Looks awesome. What paint did you use to simulate the cosmoline on the LCA's?


I used a "Quasimolene" PPG Uretahane paint sold by RestoRick.  I went on his web-site and didn't see it listed.  He does have an Aerosol Cosmoline spray but I didn't see the paint.  I bought it several years ago so maybe he doesn't carry it anymore or I just missed it.  You can call him and find out.  Good luck!

http://www.restorick.com/ (http://www.restorick.com/)
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on September 10, 2016 - 09:51:08 pm
After two days of scraping/stripping paint, sanding, priming, sanding and priming again and again, today I managed to paint the Shaker Bubble and traction bars for the 'Cuda Raylle Red. I also laid down several coats of clear coat on top of the red.  Since the 'Cuda is triple black I decided to accent it with red hockey stripes (yet to be done) and a red shaker bubble. Even though it's old school, I decided to put the traction bars back on (nostalgic) and my son suggested I paint them red also. Have to let the paint/clear coat dry/cure for a week and then I'll color sand the Bubble to eliminate any orange peel and make it mirror smooth.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Cudaragtop on September 18, 2016 - 01:15:35 am
Sweet! Looking Good!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 03, 2016 - 03:15:35 pm
I took my original radiator down to a local (highly recommended radiator shop) to have it cleaned, checked for leaks and pressure tested.  Fortunately it passed with flying colors and I didn't need a new core which would have been over $500!  :22yikes:  It got a new coat of paint and was installed along with a new battery, the alternator, radiator and heater hoses and new aluminum valve covers and billet breathers which were a birthday present from my wife and son.  Filled up the engine and radiator with coolant, put 10 gallons of 100 octane gas in the gas tank, primed the carburetor, hooked up the gas lines and installed new plugs and distributor wires along with a new Summit Electronic ECU and distributor.  Unfortunately, when we tried to fire the engine it didn't want to go.  Not even a hiccup, backfire, fart, etc.  Nothing, it just spun.  A check of the systems with some help from the forum members and my mechanic son determined I was not getting any spark out of the distributor.  A call to Summit this morning resulted in them sending me out a new Electronic distributor, ECU, etc under warranty.  Hopefully, the engine will come to life in a few days.  This waiting is killing me.  :stomp: :pullinghair: :banghead:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 05, 2016 - 09:29:00 pm
Finally got the engine fired this morning after I removed the Tach wire from the coil.  Scared the crap out of me because I wasn't really expecting it to fire after the previous failed attempts.  It's quit loud with open headers.   :ylsuper:  Anyway immediately shut it down and was going to do the cam break in run tonight but I have a pesky fuel pump leak I wasn't able to resolve today due to company that came over and stayed and stayed,  :pullinghair: :stomp:.  Hopefully tomorrow I should get the fitting I need and after my son gets off work we'll fire her up again and do the cam break in.   :2thumbs:  Standby for the fire up video!   :droolingbounce:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: brads70 on October 05, 2016 - 09:43:42 pm
Progress!!!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Topcat on October 06, 2016 - 01:51:08 am
Can't wait to hear it run. Things gonna be a beast.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 07, 2016 - 07:20:58 pm
For the first time since 1983 my 'Cuda has a heartbeat and what a beat it is!! Cam break in went well. Had good oil pressure, stayed in the middle of the gauge the entire time and engine temp did likewise.  Had to deal with a couple minor fuel leaks and for some reason my lower radiator hose was leaking at the water pump.   :clueless:  I took three different videos. One's a walk around the car before start up.  One is of it idling after break in and one is of the fire up and break in.  I didn't turn the video off for approx 6 minutes since we were dealing with minor fuel leaks and trying to maintain the idle at 2K RPM.  Don't expect anybody to sit through the whole 6 minutes but I couldn't figure out how to edit it.  First and last 30 seconds are best.  Anyway, engine sounds like a Beast. I'm loving it!! Can't wait to actually drive it but that will have to wait until next spring/summer after we get the doors, front fenders, and hood painted and installed. Since I couldn't load directly to CC.com, I loaded the pictures to my picture sharing site.   Below is the link.  Enjoy, I sure did.  :bigsmile:

https://spanks4thememory.smugmug.com/Cuda-fire-up/
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: roadman5312 on October 07, 2016 - 07:39:47 pm
                                :2thumbs:                       :rebel:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 73440 on October 07, 2016 - 09:42:43 pm
That's great!
Have you tried to upload to youtube?
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on October 07, 2016 - 09:44:26 pm
Ahhh, luv that sound.  Congratulations!!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 07, 2016 - 10:40:01 pm
I managed to finally get the start up and break video to load to my picture sharing site, so it's there now. 

https://spanks4thememory.smugmug.com/Cuda-fire-up/
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 08, 2016 - 11:01:51 am
That's great!
Have you tried to upload to youtube?


Great idea!  :2thumbs: I had completely forgotten about that!  Here's the link with the edited 1 minute version of the start up!  Thanks again 73440!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eltlC6r5948&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eltlC6r5948&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70chall440 on October 08, 2016 - 12:33:16 pm
Sounds healthy!
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 08, 2016 - 08:56:41 pm
Yeah, my ears are still ringing from that open exhaust!  But it's a good ringing!   :ylsuper:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on October 10, 2016 - 06:13:50 pm
Double check your pistol grip.  I think you have it installed backwards.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 11, 2016 - 09:54:18 am
Double check your pistol grip.  I think you have it installed backwards.

Thanks, will do.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on October 12, 2016 - 08:27:51 pm
Turned the shifter around today and adjusted the linkage.  It shifts much better.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on October 13, 2016 - 06:36:23 pm
Excellent!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on January 13, 2017 - 09:13:42 pm
Finally got back to my 'Cuda after a couple of months break.   I dropped the engine and trans and removed the old trash headers I used for break-in and installed my new TTI  1-7/8" polished ceramic headers.  I've also been cleaning up the engine wiring harness and ordered the retaining clips for the reverse light harness (thanks HP-Cuda), a "677" stamp for the trans along with some miscellaneous things that will be easier to install while everything is out of the car.  I also R&R'd the alternator, water pump and timing chain cover to make sure that I had properly installed the oil slinger.  After watching an recent episode of Graveyard cars they had an engine that had been recently rebuilt but after 100 miles it wasn't running right.  They disassembled the engine and discovered the person who rebuilt the engine had installed the oil slinger backwards resulting in it rubbing on the timing chain/gear and sending metal throughout the engine and wiping the bearings.  After watching that episode I began questioning myself as to which way I had installed mine.  Not wanting to destroy my engine I therefore took everything off the front to check and discovered I had installed it correctly.   :smilielol: So a day wasted but at least now I don't have to worry about it anymore.   :bigsmile:  So now I just have to save up the $900 for the TTI 3" X pipe exhaust system with mufflers. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on January 13, 2017 - 10:53:04 pm
Very nice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 07, 2017 - 09:07:30 pm
After waiting almost a month after I ordered it, the stamps to do the factory style transmission number "677" for my A833 Hemi 4-speed finally arrived.  After several trial attempts trying to judge how much paint to apply to the stamps and how hard to push, etc,  I finally stamped the transmission.  I'm not really happy with how it came out but I don't see it getting any better.

Ever have one of those Murphy's law days when working on your car and afterwards you're just ready to throw in the towel and list it for sale?  Today was one of those days for me.  Seemed like everything that could go wrong did.  I tired and eventually succeeded in re-installing the engine and trans back in the car by myself, but what should have been an easy job fought me at every step.  I won't bore you with the details but I'm not  happy camper today.  Anybody want to buy a partially finished matching no. 440 '70 Cuda?  :banghead: :pullinghair: :stomp: :swear:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 08, 2017 - 10:54:55 pm
One step forward and two back.  Took the engine and trans back out of the car today to remove the oil pan to inspect the oil pick up tube after yesterdays accident.
Glad to report the pick up tube was undamaged.  I also inspected the bottom of my oil pan for metal debris/shaving since it still had the break in oil in it.  Glad to report there was none.

 I ordered a new pan from 440 Source and a new re-usable windage tray from Jegs (Thanks Cody). 

Traced some electrical issues with my tach and think I found the problem (again thanks to Cody-what would we do without you on the sites).

Forgot that yesterday I sprayed the inside of my driver's front fender with undercoating.  That way it will be ready for paint next week if my body man comes through.  Need to buy another can to do the driver's side.  One can doesn't go as far as I thought it would.

All in all today was a better day in spite of everything  Onward and forward.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on February 08, 2017 - 11:08:13 pm
Hang in there.  We all have those days when if there was a window nearby many parts would be sent through it.  You're project is coming along nicely.  I love that motor set-up.   I continually question my choice of the automatic over standard but it can always be changed in the future right?  Glad to hear that you had more success.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on February 19, 2017 - 10:09:22 pm
Got back at it again. Nothing really picture worthy, but accomplished a fair amount.  Anyway, installed the new oil pan and windage tray that Cody recommended that I got from Jegs.  Nice not to have to use any gasket cement.  Put the engine back on the K-Frame and with the help of my wife (she worked the lift and handed me tools when I was under the car) got the engine and trans reinstalled.   :woohoo:
Sanded and painted the torsion bars.  Again, with my wife's help installed and aligned the steering column.  Adjusted and hooked up the trans linkage and Z bar linkage and lot of other small stuff that needed to be done. Ordered some parts for the Z bar linkage that didn't come with the rebuild kit???  The radiator developed a small leak at the lower hose fitting so I removed it and will take it in to the radiator shop to have it soldered.  Got a text from my body man that we might be able to get the car in to the shop on Monday for final paint work so I'll  gathered up all the small parts that will also need to be painted along with the larger body panels. I media blasted the small parts and then painted them with primer/sealer which included the driver's side remote mirror.  I know my car came with a passenger side mirror, but I'll be darned if I can find it.   :headbang:  Hopefully when we move all the body panels out of the storage room it will appear. It's been five years since we did the initial paint work so I'm super excited to finally get the paint work finished.  :D 
I also installed my new to me QA1 shocks that I purchased from another forum member.   Fronts went on with no problems but since I was installing the rears on traction bars (the car came with them and I like the nostalgic look) I had a problem fitting them.  The old bolts on the traction bars were toast so I had cut them off and replaced them.  Problem was the bottom fitting on the shock is the correct size for the original leaf spring retaining plates, but they're an old ball size for any bolts at the store.  After going to two stores I found finally some sleeves that fit perfectly with 1/2" hardened bolts.  The bolts are a little two long so eventually I'll replace them with shorter ones. 
Today, I installed the torsion bars and new dust boots.  What a pain they were, both the boots and torsion bars.  I've removed and installed the torsion bars at least a half dozen times since I've had the car and they were never a problem.  Today,  I couldn't get the LCA torsion bar fitting in the correct orientation to get the bar to slide in?? :verymad: Anyway, after a lot of playing around I got the passenger side in, but the driver's side just was not cooperating no matter what I did, even after I undid the shock and the upper control arm.  After using a ratchet strap to pull the suspension down another 3/8" I got the bar in.  I also discovered that the driver's side torsion bar hits the TTI headers.  That may be why it was such a bear to get in.   :notsure:  I  followed some suggestions I found on Google about stretching the rubber dust boots over sockets and then slipping them off the socket over the knuckle on the torsion bar.  It worked for the passenger side.  However, when doing that for the driver's side I ended up tearing the boot.   :pullinghair: I had read where one guy cut his and glued them back together so since I wanted to get the bars installed before they take the car to paint, I put it on anyway and will try gluing it when it comes back.   Anyway, like I said, nothing really picture worth, but I got a lot accomplished.  Now I just need the body shop to come through and pick up the car tomorrow.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: Challenger in NC on February 20, 2017 - 10:35:02 am
Thought about doing the same thing by selling the car (still may) and I'm not nearly as far along as you are. Looks like you're back on track, good to hear.
 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 02, 2017 - 10:40:18 pm
Well after almost 5 years my Cuda finally went back to the Body shop for the final paint work.  They have to touch up the right rear quarter panel and paint the doors, front fenders, trunk lid, shaker hood and front and rear valances.   :cooldancing:  I can't wait to see the final product!   :droolingbounce:  Naturally, I'm running around like a chicken with its head cut off this morning trying to find all the bolts and U-nuts for the front fenders and after going through ALL my parts tots I couldn't find them.   :pullinghair:  Anyway, after we got the car and all the parts delivered, I came home, got on the internet and ordered new  ones.  Naturally, then I went out in the shop and found them in a bag on my work bench.   :banghead:  So tomorrow AM I'll drop them off at the shop bright and early so they can start hanging the doors, fenders and hood to test fit everything for proper gaps before they do the final paint work.  Considering, my body guy already did the body work and primed all the pieces, including the guide coat 5 years ago,  they should good to go; but they want to do one final block sand to verify they didn't get dinged while sitting around the last 5 years.  Here's some pics of them loading the car into the trailer.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: MoparJunkie on March 02, 2017 - 10:55:55 pm
Gorgeous Cuda man. Yeah these car builds aren't for the impatient for sure! I have quite a long way to go on my 71 chally and I've been in your shoes thinking to myself do I really want to finish this? lol. But then I buy stuff, do more work and rekindle the spark that started the build in the first place. Seeing progress always helps. I recently just ordered the 2" TTI headers for my 440, they should come in tomorrow. Like you I want the rest of the exhaust, but I gotta save to buy the x-pipe system and another $425 for freaking challenger dual tips!!

Anyway, looks awesome man. Keep at it, and enjoy something you built, makes it more valuable imo than just buying a built car. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 7212Mopar on March 03, 2017 - 02:45:21 am
Why buy the TTI Tips? Alternatives are less than half of what TTI is. Check out accurate exhaust.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: MoparJunkie on March 03, 2017 - 10:52:57 am
Good to know, I didn't know there was cheaper alternatives, haven't gotten that far in my build yet. Starting with the headers first and working my way back, lol. I usually buy the complete exhaust system from a company but TTI exhaust tips is a lot, so I'll look at accurate exhaust after I buy the TTI 3" x-pipe system.

Looked at accurate exhaust quickly and while the tips are $175, a lot cheaper, they only support 2" and 2.5" exhaust. While TTI supports 3" inch exhaust and that's what I'll need unfortunately. Accurate exhaust looks like it's more for stock setups and I'm building a restomod.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on March 03, 2017 - 08:39:42 pm
Awesome news.  It gets really exciting now.  I remember money getting spent quickly whenever they needed something.  I love the smell of paint in the morning, feels like progress.  :ylsuper: Keep the pictures coming.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on March 07, 2017 - 09:40:58 pm
Wow! Work is progressing very nicely on the Cuda at the body shop. Ron has made some repairs to the doors, fenders and front header panel and got them all hung and gaps checked already. At this rate we'll be in paint in no time!  :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 07, 2017 - 03:10:29 pm
Got a call from my best friend who works at the body shop last night to tell me the 'Cuda was done.  Went down this morning to see it.  Could hardly sleep last night in anticipation.  :crazy:
Well it's definitely a "black beauty," even with a layer of dust on it.   :cooldancing:  It's going to really shine after the "cut and buff!"  Can't wait to get it home next week so we can start final assembly.   :bananasmi
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on April 07, 2017 - 06:43:54 pm
Gorgeous.  That color is going to pop., Congratulations and keep the pictures coming.  It really gets exciting now! :wow: :ylsuper:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on April 12, 2017 - 12:15:23 pm
Picked up the "Cuda from the body shop today.  Now final assembly can finally start.    :working:  It shines so much now I can't wait to see it after we cut and buff it!
Waiting for my boys to get off work and come over and help unload her.  Here's a few pictures, dust and all. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: dodj on April 13, 2017 - 08:35:40 pm
 :wow:
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: AARuFAST on April 13, 2017 - 11:18:24 pm
 :cheers:    :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: AU6pack on May 28, 2017 - 04:16:38 am
 :droolingbounce: looks awesome
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on June 23, 2017 - 12:07:09 pm
Slowly but surely I've been getting back at the 'Cuda.  Installed the front header panel and valance.  With the help of Alan and Cody got the passenger door window installed. Re-installed my radiator after the small leak was fixed.  Installed a new bracket at the rear valley pan to hold the electronic ignition ECU.  Installed my new Lokar accelerator pedal cable and accelerator pedal linkage bracket.  Installed new door handles on both doors.  Installed new door molding on the driver's door.  Sanded and polished the passenger door frame channel modeling and glued a new gasket material to it.  Installed my new TTI 3" "X" pipe exhaust system and Dynomax Ultra flow mufflers back to the mufflers.  I'm waiting for new exhaust hanger trunk plates so I can install the over axle pipes. 

Issues:  Despite carefully tightening up the inlets to the carb, the front fitting still leaks.  I'm afraid to tighten it any further as I'm don't want to strip the threads in the carb.  I'll call Quick Fuel on Monday and see what suggestions they have as both the carb and inlet lines are Quick Fuel.

After firing and running the engine (break in was already done) and then lifting the car up on the lift, I discovered I have a significant oil leak coming from the rear of my oil pan gasket.  This is the re-useable, no gasket cement needed pan gasket that a member here  recommended.  The oil pan  is brand new so there should be no issues with it being true.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 20, 2017 - 07:48:47 pm
I haven't posted in a while, but I have been busy.   Received, painted and installed my rear exhaust hanger trunk plates and then finished up installing the over the axle exhaust pipes.  After giving the widows a thorough cleaning I was surprised at the scratches in the glass, especially passenger door glass. Considering that they are the original windows,  I'll try and do some glass polishing although from other posts I've read it's not very effective.  I finished sanding and polishing the driver's side SS rain gutter and roof weatherstripping  channels and installed them along with the weatherstripping.   I also installed new quarter window weatherstripping on the forward edges.  I received and installed my Shaker ring gasket and installed same.  After deciding that I didn't like my adjustments of the door and quarter glass windows I made several more attempts until I got them as good as I think they are capable of.  Or at least as good as I'm capable of getting them. :)  My hat goes off to Alan for "liking" to do the E-body windows.  I think this was one of the most frustrating parts of this restoration.   :pullinghair: I installed the rear bumper and rear valance.  I removed the large clutch spring from the clutch pedal as has been advised by others considering the clutch I have.  I installed my shifter rubber boot and the center console and the back and front seats.  The interior is done except for the front kick panels, door sill plates and inside door panels.  I need to buy new new door ajar switche  and buy and install a new antenna, so the kick panels will have to wait until then,  No sense in doing them twice.  Also need to clean and repaint the door panels and the steering wheel center caps and spoke covers.  Lastly, I installed the side marker housings, reflectors and lights.  I do have a question regarding the front side lights.  The rear lights are almost flush with the reflectors.  However, the front lights are recessed a good 1/4" or so below the reflector.  Is that normal?  If not, any idea why?  I removed the whole assembly and as far as I can tell they are installed correctly.  The back side of the housing says LH and RH with arrows pointing up so it would be pretty hard to reverse them.  The rear housings did not have these markings??  Do I maybe have the front and rear housings reversed.?  :help:   I'm going to have to take them out again anyway to paint the gaskets as they really show up against the black paint.  Almost forgot to mention.  Regarding my oil pan gasket leak mentioned in a previous post.  I lowered the pan with the engine in place.  Thoroughly cleaned both sides of the gasket, the engine block and the oil pan mating surfaces and then applied some 3M ATV transmission gasket maker.  Re-torqued the pan and let it sit for a week with no oil.  Added the oil and fired it up and I'm happy to report, so far no leaks.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on July 20, 2017 - 09:47:25 pm
That is coming out fantastic.  Very exciting.  I ran into a couple delays so I'm a bit behind you now but still at it.  Photos to come. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 73440 on July 20, 2017 - 10:37:14 pm
If you can check if there is a part number on the housing and check against the numbers in this link with photos of the front and rear side marker lamps.
https://pisuladevelopmentcompany.box.com/s/18zpjj5kliz8tmlm6qtmjz8fp5us6z61

Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on July 21, 2017 - 10:52:21 am
Thank you 7340.  The pictures are very appreciated.  I will check them when I take them out to paint the gaskets.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 04, 2017 - 08:42:49 pm
Despite the 95 degree heat, again, I managed to spend some time in the shop today.  Took my door panels out of storage, cleaned and then painted them.  The driver's side wasn't in to bad of shape but I'm not sure what happened to the passenger side but it is hammered.  Sun backed with numerous deep scratches.  Both these panels were off the car when I bought it so I get the impression that the passenger side is not original but have no idea what happened to the original panel or why they would buy such a beat up panel to replace it.  With a fresh coat of paint they're both good enough for now as I have other things to spend $800 on, like new tires, so new door panels will have to go on a Christmas/Birthday/Father's Day wish list. :)  I installed my new custom wooden pistol grip shifter handle and a new bezel and shift pattern emblem.  That took a lot longer than expected since I had the Hurst shifter handle re-chromed and the new chrome bezel wouldn't fit.  Out came the Dremel and after working on both the bezel and the shifter I finally got it to fit.  I also managed to loose one of the pistol grip screws in the interior.  How do you loose a screw in the interior??   :headbang:  Anyway, I'm sure it will eventually turn up.  I also installed my new door VIN decal and jack instruction decal that I recently received from ECS.  I also received several other decals from ECS but didn't get around to installing them yet. I also installed the new nylon carb fitting washer that Quickfuel sent me and the front bowl fitting still leaks.  I don't know what else to do so I'll call Quickfuel and see about getting the carb exchanged or something??
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: redo1973 on August 06, 2017 - 06:27:44 pm
Sweet.  Details, details, details, seems to slow me down.  Yours is looking great.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 06, 2017 - 06:58:11 pm
Thank you  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2017 - 11:24:07 pm
What did you paint the door panels with, I have to do mine soon.
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: usraptr on August 13, 2017 - 08:57:37 am
I used SEM Black Landau rattle can spray paint.  I cleaned the the panels really well first, then applied adhesion promoter and then the paint.  A lot of people use the SEM Trim Black also.  I started with that but ran out so I finished with the Black Landau as I had two full cans of that.  Personally I can't tell the difference. 
Title: Re: Brad' second '70 Cuda and first (and last) restoration project
Post by: 70chall440 on August 13, 2017 - 12:42:26 pm
I used SEM Black Landau rattle can spray paint.  I cleaned the the panels really well first, then applied adhesion promoter and then the paint.  A lot of people use the SEM Trim Black also.  I started with that but ran out so I finished with the Black Landau as I had two full cans of that.  Personally I can't tell the difference.

Thank you, I will get some. My panels were/are blue that have already been painted over. I need to scrub and clean them and then recoat them.