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Title: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 01:05:46 am
I have been working on this car for a number of years but keep getting distracted. I put a full thread on another forum but have decided to post it here for your enjoyment. The background on the car is as follows; I bought the car for my son before he got his drivers license in around 2004. The car was beat far beyond what it should have been, it looked like someone used if for a bumper car. Although originally it was a plain 318 AT no AC Barracuda, someone had installed a hot 340 and 727 somewhere along the line. I could believe that I actually drove it home. Well, my son although originally interested, lost that interest quickly and moved on (I traded him my 91 Stealth RT for it). I decided to build something that I never had previously, do it all myself and see what came out the back side. In order words, this car became a complete science experiment for me to do things I had never contemplated such as designing my own 4 link system, developing and making my own hydraulic clutch system, installing lots of sheet metal, stiffing up the substructure as much as possible, etc. There is lots and lots of fabrication in this car and along the way I learned many things, bought a lot of specialty tools, developed a host of new skills like body work, TIG welding, etc.

So where I am now;
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 01:09:09 am
some more pics. Of note, I built my own brake system front and rear.
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Post by: brads70 on August 28, 2015 - 07:36:10 am
Looking great!  :2thumbs:
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Post by: moparman82 on August 28, 2015 - 08:29:38 am
Love this build!! Thanks for coming over from pro touring mopar!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on August 28, 2015 - 10:47:26 am
Looking forward to seeing what you create! 
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 11:23:46 am
thanks all. as I mentioned, this is a science experiment for me. I purposely went routes that required some design, a new skill, etc. I have lots of pictures and will post them here as time goes on. They might be out of order, but I am sure there are people like me who just on the internet trying to see pictures of things others have done to try and understand how it is done or how it can be done.

In regards to stiffening the chassis; I picked up the US Tool sub frame connectors at a swap meet and modified them some, then fully welded them in. I saw the bracing that XV was using and replicated much of that. I did contemplate a cage, but decided against it because I couldn't decide where/what I wanted it to be like. It isn't off the table but I really don't want to hack holes through my dash.

this car is an oddity in that I am going for a lot of OEM look while having a lot of AAR or road race effects (cake and eat it scenario).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 11:26:56 am
Some more pictures
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 11:33:13 am
Here are yet more. Unfortunately most of my pictures are too large to be attached, so will have to work on that.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 11:39:19 am
Sorry for the random pictures, I am sorting through what I have that is small enough to post for now.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mopar Mitch on August 28, 2015 - 02:25:52 pm
Your labor of love will be worth it.   Nice work overall.  do you have any sanctioned race groups/clubs/tracks within reasonable driving distance from where you live?  I highly suggest that you look into club's rules for classifications so that you won't find yourself under or over modified.  Where ever you end up racing, you want to be classified so that you'll be competitive, rather than not and realizing you should have made other choices during the build.  Spend your time and $$ wisely.

Mo'Power to ya!     
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 02:43:44 pm
Your labor of love will be worth it.   Nice work overall.  do you have any sanctioned race groups/clubs/tracks within reasonable driving distance from where you live?  I highly suggest that you look into club's rules for classifications so that you won't find yourself under or over modified.  Where ever you end up racing, you want to be classified so that you'll be competitive, rather than not and realizing you should have made other choices during the build.  Spend your time and $$ wisely.

Mo'Power to ya!   

I do have a number of race tracks in the area however I am not exactly sure what my intentions are for the car. I know this is problematic and recognize I need to be smarter on this particular aspect. I guess I would say that while I thought about building the car to a class, my focus has been to make it more of a road race "ready" street car. Before I go much further I do need to figure this out.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on August 28, 2015 - 02:48:47 pm
Nice job you are doing. building it the way you want it, I like that. :working: :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 02:52:09 pm
Here are some pictures of my rear cross member; the stock one wasn't strong enough to support mounting the rear shocks from and support the rear suspension. In stock configuration you have the leaf spring to support the weight of the car, in a 4 link the shocks and subsequently the cross member takes all of the weight.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 02:56:43 pm
Here are the front brakes. I made the brackets, source Viper calipers and wildwood rotors. I took a stock rotor and cut off everything off but the hub.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 03:20:38 pm
So here are my homemade LED tail lights. Got some lights from a local industrial supply place and cut everything up. The back up lights are cheap Wal-Mart LED fog lights which fit very nice.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 03:22:29 pm
some more
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 04:36:47 pm
for those of you who need/want to restore that silver ring around your taillights or the words/markings on your heater controls on the dash, this is the ticket. comes in silver, white, black, yellow and red and available from any welding store. I have used all manner of paint markers over the years and this type works really well. Dries fast and lasts a long time.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 04:52:05 pm
Just for reference, here are some of the distractions that kept me from working on the Cuda;

My 70 Challenger RT 440 6 pac: built in 04/05 but never really completed it. Took about 3 months to sort it all out
My 66 426 Hemi for my 70 Road Runner project; had to spend some time painting the motor. Didn't take long but who doesn't love a pic of a Hemi?
My 52 Dodge B3B pickup w/ a 56 Desoto 330 Hemi: this was one of those "good ideas" that ended up taking about 14 months to build

there were others as well such as my 98 Ram 3500 Diesel that I "had" to have; ended up sucking down about 6K (after the 5K buy) only to be traded in on a 2014 2500. Then there is my 76 D700, which didn't take any time other than a day to get it but there were some days of pondering on what to do with it (ongoing process).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 28, 2015 - 05:30:15 pm
Here is my antenna, a seemingly minor issue that required a fair amount of fabrication. This is a "semi automatic" antenna I got from Amazon. it is activated by a switch which will be located in the console I made.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 29, 2015 - 12:58:57 am
that last picture was the first install. When I begun this project I didn't know a lot about body work or replacing panels. Like many E bodies the lower quarters were bad so I bought some skins. So happened I got a new plasma at the around the same time; match made in heaven (or so I thought). So, off with the old quarter panel sides via plasma and then a very bad attempt at installing the skins. it was after the poor attempt to install these skins that I made the antenna bracket and installing it into the quarter. Later on with the help of an experienced friend did I realize how bad it all really was, therefore full new AMD quarters were ordered and I am currently in the process of fitting and subsequently welding them in. This time it is all fitting and going much better; everything fits...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 29, 2015 - 01:08:48 am
Since I am running an efi 6-pac I had to modify the tank. At the time I did this there weren't any EFI tanks available or at least I didn't find any. Therefore, I cut the top off the tank and made my own baffles. when I reinstalled the top, I welded in a flange so that the top would have something to weld to other than just butt weld the seam. We will see how it works out. I made the outlet and return lines so that they can be removed if need be.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: cudamadd on August 29, 2015 - 05:19:00 am
 Nice job hope you finish her soon .  I  can see she will be a killer ride  :aussie: :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 29, 2015 - 11:30:25 am
Thanks, I hope so. It has been an absolute money sponge.... not complaining just saying.  :money: of course it is completely my fault, I could have done a much easier simpler rebuild and would have been driving this car years ago. I have stayed pretty much on course however with the original intent which was to make a car that handles really well, has lots of power and has a lot of AAR influences. In my youth I had a sublime AAR that I never got to be a running/driving car and had to sell because I was on orders overseas and going through a divorce, so this car is representative of that car.

To that end, here is something to make you cry; I bought that AAR for $250 sans drive train. I was stationed in NC and towed it via a homemade tow bar from ND to NC behind my 73 Challenger. I worked on it for about 2 years amassing lots of parts from local junk yards (2 complete interiors, a shaker hood, 340, trans, etc). I sold it for $1200 in 1986. I still wonder where that car is.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on August 29, 2015 - 03:07:48 pm
Nice stable of vehicles.
How do you like your two post lift?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 29, 2015 - 07:10:54 pm
Nice stable of vehicles.
How do you like your two post lift?

Yea it ha grown over the years (the vehicles that is). I cannot imagine not having the lift. When I was younger I worked at an exhaust place where we had both a 4 post and 2 post, so I got experience with them both. Both have their advantages but IMO the 2 post is more versatile overall. I bought this one in 05 for like $2200 +/- and have never regretted it. Getting low vehicles like my Viper on it can be a challenge but I have made some 2x10 runners that I drive up on and then can remove the parts in front of the rear tires and behind the front tires to get the lift arms under the car.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 30, 2015 - 01:16:10 am
looking forward to putting this in. I want to paint it black but it seems almost criminal to do it. I am thinking of using the duplicolor removable paint. Used it on the grille on my 14 2500 4X4 and It seems to work good.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on August 30, 2015 - 06:21:20 am
The silver grills look great on any color, but Im not sure the red highlights work, the previous owner blacked out the red on my grill, kinda glad he did though as I'd struggle to do it on an original grill
Leave it silver, I'll look great against the sublime
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: larry4406 on August 30, 2015 - 07:08:24 am
Details on the grille in the box please. Is that the new reproduction that is starting to surface?

Nice car and project. I am partial to its original Basin Street Blue color.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 30, 2015 - 12:07:23 pm
I will install the grille as is and see how it looks, I have a feeling it would look better blacked out but we will see.

Yes, this is the new repro grille from Vans. I saw that and it at the nationals and it because a early Xmas present. it is a really nice piece. Talking to the guy at Vans; he gave me the following information;

- the is a exact reproduction (I will confirm when I install it
- they "Vans" is the source for this grille, anyone else selling them is getting them from Vans
- this grille is made from a "spun" polymer which is stronger and more resilient than the original (time will tell)

it appears to be a very nicely made piece, not sure how it fits or how the chrome trim and headlight buckets will fit, I am not close enough to test fit it just yet. For those wondering, show price was right at $800 which included $45 for shipping. Seeing that I spent $350 for a broken grille, this is a pretty good deal IMO.

Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: bored on August 30, 2015 - 02:56:45 pm
looking forward to putting this in. I want to paint it black but it seems almost criminal to do it. I am thinking of using the duplicolor removable paint. Used it on the grille on my 14 2500 4X4 and It seems to work good.

That is one good looking grille!!  :lol2:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 31, 2015 - 12:32:26 am
 :iagree:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: SBDave on September 01, 2015 - 06:05:57 pm
Looks good! I've got a 73 that I'm doing something very similar with.  Building a 408 stroker, Passon Hemi OD 4 speed, 3.55 Tru Trac rear end, roll cage and stiffening all around, stripped down interior with race seats.  Decided to use smaller brakes for the potential to use 15" wheels (currently running 16x8's all around w/ sticky tires) and the original torsion bar/leaf spring suspension.  I was also originally planning to AAR clone it but I think I've gotten over that desire.  I just want to focus on the performance right now. 

Thanks for sharing! Keep up the great work!
Dave
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 01, 2015 - 08:17:34 pm
sounds like we are in the same line of thinking. I am thinking more of a retro version of an AAR with all of the cool styling queues but without the stripes. I am welding on quarter panels as we speak (literally, just came in for something and saw I had a response). 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 01, 2015 - 11:56:14 pm
Progress, got the left side quarter panel on and welded. Out of the 2 sides, this was the more problematic.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on September 02, 2015 - 05:30:38 am
Great stuff Mike, looks much better than before, and a lot less grinding and filling than what you had, hey, on the rear right quarter that you took off, you dont by chance have a good section that is still straight that goes from the trunk around the tail panel to the bumper do you? i might need one
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 02, 2015 - 11:27:36 am
Great stuff Mike, looks much better than before, and a lot less grinding and filling than what you had, hey, on the rear right quarter that you took off, you dont by chance have a good section that is still straight that goes from the trunk around the tail panel to the bumper do you? i might need one

send me a pic of exactly what you want/need and I will look, I might be able to help you.
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Post by: crash340 on September 02, 2015 - 03:39:40 pm
email sent
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 02, 2015 - 04:05:26 pm
received, let me look. That corner was pretty beat. I will get a pic of what I have.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 05, 2015 - 12:23:41 am
Making progress, got both quarters on, spoiler holes drilled and am now working on the rear bumper and rear valance.

I have found a car that captures exactly what I am driving towards. Think of this car in lime light.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on September 05, 2015 - 07:05:20 am
I didn't know if you had seen this or knew it was available?
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/520495/trans-am-cuda-front-spoiler.html (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/520495/trans-am-cuda-front-spoiler.html)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 05, 2015 - 11:11:23 am
Yes I already have one, but thanks for suggesting it. I am going to run the brake ducts on mine I believe. It looks just like the one you posted now, but in the back you can see where to cut the holes. I got mine from a member on pro touring Mopar who bought it to try and fab to a 71 road runner. Lines were/are too different and he didn't want to destroy the spoiler trying to make it fit. I like the look of them although they are quite large, but with the brake ducts I think it gives the car a more aggressive look. I was thinking about trunk to fab some vertical support rods like you see on modern splitters but it might look hoky. We will see when I get it mocked up. Shouldn't be too much longer.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on September 06, 2015 - 08:06:56 pm
It's going to look great when its done!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 07, 2015 - 12:07:44 am
I certainly hope so  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 10, 2015 - 12:15:22 am
Been focused on the rear end of the car lately. I have smoothed out the rear bumper and fitted the rear valance. it is slow going and given the age and inconsistencies in the car make it a little difficult but I think it is coming together. Here are some pictures as I know everyone loves them (as I do). I still want to make some filler pieces to go behind the rear bumperettes and the valance.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 10, 2015 - 11:24:25 pm
So, after some nagging from my brother from another mother down under (crash340), I made some adjustments to the brackets (read that as some significant work), here is the result.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on September 11, 2015 - 06:59:11 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on September 11, 2015 - 11:16:03 am
Somebodies brother knew what he was talking about.
Positioning looks good.

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 11, 2015 - 12:48:36 pm
 :bigsmile: I will agree it looks good, now I just need to sort it all out, clean up the brackets and get back on track.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: bored on September 11, 2015 - 10:36:45 pm
So, after some nagging from my brother from another mother down under (crash340), I made some adjustments to the brackets (read that as some significant work), here is the result.

I think those small details make all the difference in the world.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: twalker on September 11, 2015 - 11:27:16 pm
I modded my brackets in the same way, big job, but rewarding eh?

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 12, 2015 - 12:09:20 am
You guys are right, and it does look better. I finally got the brackets done and have to say they turned out pretty well. It is a lot of work, cutting, welding adjusting, etc. I did discover that while I like TIG welding, my 220 Miller MIG works far faster and better in terms of results. Granted I am still a novice at TIG but I am beginning to discover their respective applications.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on September 12, 2015 - 08:31:04 pm
You guys are right, and it does look better. I finally got the brackets done and have to say they turned out pretty well. It is a lot of work, cutting, welding adjusting, etc. I did discover that while I like TIG welding, my 220 Miller MIG works far faster and better in terms of results. Granted I am still a novice at TIG but I am beginning to discover their respective applications.

I have to agree with your tig vs mig statement.  My go to welder has always been tig. But am forcing myself to drag out the mig for brackets and frame stuff. You can lay so much more bead.

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 12, 2015 - 10:52:09 pm
Very true, the MIG is quick and does a really good job on things like these brackets. They also leave you enough bead to dress down and clean up. I have come to love the TIG, it is so much more personal and skillful, but I believe it requires so much more effort and for things like brackets you end up pouring some much heat into the part. I used TIG for some work on the quarter panels and it worked well, lots of control and good results.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 13, 2015 - 12:35:44 am
So today saw me going backward a little, I removed the dash and built a stand for it. The main reason I removed it is because I bought a new pad for it, thought I could live with the cracks but the more I looked at them, the more I hated them. Also, I am going a different direction with the instrument cluster, additionally I made a switch panel that has a variety of  switches (main power, start, fuel pump, accessories, fans) but I think I might change that to include a true push button start (verses the stock car rubber push switch I have now).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 13, 2015 - 12:45:31 am
I am using Neon SRT seats which are based on the viper seats. The original ACR Neon had these seats but with a slot at shoulder height for belts, turns out you can still buy the plastic seat inserts which I did. I am going to either order new covers for these seats or have someone recover them. I am thinking if I go with recovering them, I am going to try and copy the original seat design (loosely). I modified the original seat tracks (had to buy a new set for the passenger side). The seats fit really nice. I am still pondering what to do about seat belts, I have the originals (I think) but I am thinking of the SV belts which they are now selling again. I would also like some 3 or maybe even some 5 point belts but anchoring them is an issue. I don't have and don't intend on installing a cage so unless I can come up with a bar affair I am not sure how I would anchor the shoulder harness. I do have a removable bar design in mind haven't reached that point yet.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 16, 2015 - 11:47:20 pm
Check out my Bday gift from my daughter..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 17, 2015 - 12:01:58 am
they just opened a Hobby Lobby near by and I found out they have a whole car guy section a part of which is a Mopar section (imagine how surprised I was to see that).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on September 17, 2015 - 05:37:46 am
Thats  cool, Happy Birthday
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on September 17, 2015 - 10:35:29 am
That's nice.
Of course partial to the yellow one...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 17, 2015 - 12:57:40 pm
Thanks Greg. Now I just need a Cuda one to put beside it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 17, 2015 - 10:48:33 pm
I have been working on the passenger side some, removed the door, had to patch 2 small rust holes, then had to strip it. I think turned my attention to the door jam; stripped it, etched it and am getting ready to fit the door.

I am going to start a new thread in the body shop as I have some questions and I think that is a better place for them.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 18, 2015 - 12:22:35 am
Anyone know what the spring rate of the TA/AAR hood springs are?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on September 18, 2015 - 06:47:19 am
Anyone know what the spring rate of the TA/AAR hood springs are?

Not sure but I tried 2 different suppliers/manufacturers and they still  either didn't hold the hood up or the hood started to bow so I removed them .
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 18, 2015 - 11:13:41 am
thanks, I am trying to develop an alternative to the springs and think I have an idea, but I need to figure out how much weight or how strong it has to be.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on September 18, 2015 - 01:02:59 pm
I saw awhile back someone made a set that had a ratcheting setup so when you open hood it would latch open. Lift again slightly and it would release to close. Wanted to make my own but also add a set of the pressurized lifts. Weak ones that would not hold hood open but would prevent it from slamming down.

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 18, 2015 - 01:15:28 pm
Interesting (the ratchet technique). I am working on a spring system but one that is controllable. Basically you just need something that will hold the hood open.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on September 18, 2015 - 06:12:23 pm
This is what I do....I put my rocket scientist skills to work.  :lol: ( I removed the spring)

(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu240/B_Richmond/PDRM0448.jpg) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/B_Richmond/media/PDRM0448.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 18, 2015 - 10:58:25 pm
 :bigsmile: yea I have seen that technique before. I am going to see if I can come up with something, most likely I will be doing exactly the same thing as you.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 18, 2015 - 11:01:17 pm
check out my nifty door tool (yes I copied the one that you find online)... it does work well though.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 18, 2015 - 11:22:08 pm
Got the passenger door on and somewhat adjusted, the gap it a bit inconsistent and after messing with it I haven't made any headway. It is about 3/16 at the top and then around 1/4 below the body line all the way down. I tried loosening the hinges on the body and tried to slide the bottom hinge down and the top up thinking this would pivot the door down and close the gap at the bottom it doesn't seem to move.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 26, 2015 - 09:34:37 pm
I have been slowly plugging along on the car, got the drivers door on and began fitting the fenders. I now see why you builders out there get what you do, this takes patience and some thought. I am using Goodmark fenders so make your own assessment from the pictures. The fit isn't overly terrible, but there are issues which need to be dealt with. For those of you thinking about going down this road but have no experience with body work, understand this is not just a bolt on and go endeavor (while I am sure you could do that, you probably wouldn't be overly happy with the results). Patience is the key I believe and in general a BFH should be used in limited quantities.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 26, 2015 - 09:37:36 pm
I am going to add material to the edges of the fenders to close the gaps.

I still need to figure out what to do about the hinges/spring deal. I'd love those Ring Bro hinges but am having a hard time finding the $$..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on December 26, 2015 - 10:10:38 pm
I have been slowly plugging along on the car, got the drivers door on and began fitting the fenders. I now see why you builders out there get what you do, this takes patience and some thought.

Isn't it amazing how long it takes to align the panels so they look decent!  I did this with my neighbor one saturday and I think it took us like 4 hours to get everything aligned so it looked good.

Your car is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 26, 2015 - 10:15:47 pm
You are right about the time, adjust, look, and repeat as many times as necessary. Then move onto the next panel and start all over again. Much easier with panels that came off the car originally I think, new panels seem to need a lot of tweaking and in some cases grinding, sanding and welding.

Thanks, I have been working on this thing so long and find some many reasons to procrastinate...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 28, 2015 - 12:23:57 am
Got a little more done, installed the front valance, front bumper brackets, new grille and bumper. It basically lines up but not what I would call good, ok perhaps but not as nice as I had hoped. With the front valance in, I cannot close the distance around the grille anymore than it is. I will try and center it minimizing the gap on both sides.

I am going to mod the front bumper but it isn't as easy as slotting the bumper brackets I don't think; the inner arms are very close to the grille so the bumper cannot simply slide it backward. I need to tighten up the brackets first to make sure.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 28, 2015 - 12:26:59 am
Better picture
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 30, 2015 - 01:58:14 am
Anyone know what the clips look like that hold the grille moldings (the chrome rectangular pieces) onto the grille? They look like they are either self cutting nuts or push lock/nuts.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on December 30, 2015 - 02:03:27 am
damn, I just had mine out last weekend to tighten them up, they are a square press in metal box type insert that the pins of the chrome ring just push in to.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-73-74-Plymouth-Barracuda-grille-clips-1972-1973-1974-Cuda-/200673777524 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-73-74-Plymouth-Barracuda-grille-clips-1972-1973-1974-Cuda-/200673777524)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 30, 2015 - 02:11:38 am
Glad I asked, I was going to use some push nuts I had. "Buy it now" baby....
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mpdlawdog on December 30, 2015 - 09:42:25 am
So today saw me going backward a little, I removed the dash and built a stand for it. The main reason I removed it is because I bought a new pad for it, thought I could live with the cracks but the more I looked at them, the more I hated them. Also, I am going a different direction with the instrument cluster, additionally I made a switch panel that has a variety of  switches (main power, start, fuel pump, accessories, fans) but I think I might change that to include a true push button start (verses the stock car rubber push switch I have now).

I was just reading over the post...great work!  Do you have any pics of your switch panel and where you are going to mount it??
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 30, 2015 - 02:13:22 pm
Looking through my pictures, this is the only one. I will get a better picture later. I bought a generic plate online and fit it. I will be changing out the start button for a better/nicer one that lights up.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on December 30, 2015 - 04:56:58 pm
Wow, very ambitious. Looks great.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 30, 2015 - 05:41:47 pm
Thanks, this car is a testament to "moving target" in the sense that I keep getting all of these "ideas" and I am off on another tangent.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dfrazz on December 30, 2015 - 09:28:42 pm
Thanks, this car is a testament to "moving target" in the sense that I keep getting all of these "ideas" and I am off on another tangent.

That's the definition of a car guy with A.D.D.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 31, 2015 - 04:11:01 am
Guilty as charged...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 31, 2015 - 04:14:06 am
I was just reading over the post...great work!  Do you have any pics of your switch panel and where you are going to mount it??

Here are some better pics, still not great but will give you a better idea.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 'Cuda Hunter on January 01, 2016 - 01:03:23 pm
Love the build.  :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 01, 2016 - 02:35:44 pm
That's the definition of a car guy with A.D.D.

For whatever reason, I gave this some thought and wanted to clarify; it isn't that I cannot stay focused on one thing for a period of time or until completion, it is that I continually come up with new cool things to do which further delay completion of the project. I have thus far attempted and finished most of the "ideas" I have come up with, keeping in mind that none of these were kits per se, I purchase components and built them. Granted, none of these things are earth shattering, revolutionary or overly unique, but when I look at the overall magnitude of them and factor in that in most cases I started front scratch, I am impressed I have come as far as I have. Some of these things are;

4 link suspension - design and build
4 wheel disc brakes w/rear parking brake - configure and build
In cabin brake proportioning valve
hydraulic clutch system
EFI 6 Barrel (I built the fuel system to include baffling the tank)
flush mounted turn signals
Flush mounted right rear semi automatic antenna
Switch panel
LED tail lights
Dash contour fitting console (this is still a work in progress)
Neon SRT seats - had to adapt the Ebody seat tracks
Power steering system with high pressure pump, regulator, remote reservoir and gauge
Nutserts throughout the engine compartment for everything that mounts to the firewall of inner fenders
Fiberglass glove compartment with EFI computer mounting (hides comp but allows access)
3/16 formed and gusseted lower radiator support
Inner fender braces
rear axle housing drain

There are a number of others as well that I cannot think of right now, but you get the picture. The good news is that in the beginning there were all of these ideas that I had, however now they are significantly diminished with only a couple still floating around in my head. I like fabricating but it takes a lot of time and energy, and now I am wanting to get this car done. The other side of it is that the lengthy amount of time has allowed me to develop new skills and obtain new tools which allow me to work faster and produce a better result.

When I started building this car, I decided that I wanted to try to do things I had never done and learn new things along the way. I have pretty much done this and am now wanting to see the car done; that doesn't keep the good idea fairy from popping in once in awhile though...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on January 01, 2016 - 05:52:09 pm
Thanks, this car is a testament to "moving target" in the sense that I keep getting all of these "ideas" and I am off on another tangent.

I also have read your "update" to this comment.

Exactly the same sentiment on my build mods. The idea list always outpaces the can accomplish list. I am mechanical in nature so that is where all the build ideas direct towards. I keep 2 lists. The going to do list and the want to do list.
Keeps my ADD in check...

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dfrazz on January 01, 2016 - 07:37:04 pm
I have pretty much done this and am now wanting to see the car done; that doesn't keep the good idea fairy from popping in once in awhile though...

The going to do list and the want to do list.
Keeps my ADD in check...

Mike

This is my condition as well, which is why I said the comment in the first place.  I have a ton of ideas, but if I don't stick to a list like Mike, I am all over the place and I keep coming up with new things.  These cars are never done, but it is wise to keep going in one general direction or you end up "un-doing" things.  I love this build and you have given me even more ideas (which may be bad thing.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 02, 2016 - 01:07:20 am
No worries at all, there seems to a number of people on this site suffer from the same affliction. I agree with the 2 list approach and have used it on my 52 B3B PU as well as this car. That said, I knew from the beginning what I wanted the outcome to be like, some of it was "conceptual" in nature whereas other things were very specific. At this stage, I am pretty much out of the "nice to have" things, I am now executing the remainder of my overall plan. Just got the front bumper brackets modified (I think), I will mock up the bumper tomorrow and see where I am at.

To bring everyone to speed, I am not using the factory front valance insert and turn signals (always hated the 72-74 square front turn signals), instead I am using turn signals in the headlights and running 4" driving lights under the front bumper like the 70. I am going to use KS 4" lights with black housings. I "was" going to also build a piece to go into the valance to smooth the transition to the radiator but I think I am going to forego that depending on how it looks.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 02, 2016 - 05:33:07 pm
I am seriously considering tucking in the front bumper into the fenders (left and right), the more I look at the bumper sitting outside the fenders the less I like it. I looked at some custom cars online and have see where builders have done this and it looks (IMO) much better. The Challenger has the inlets for the bumper, don't know why Plymouth didn't do this. If the rear sat outside of the body it might not be as bad, but since it is inset, the front should be as well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on January 02, 2016 - 05:43:24 pm
Focus Mike, your being pulled off track by that fairy again :roflsmiley: :roflsmiley:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 02, 2016 - 05:55:10 pm
I am focused, but that bumper is bothering me... Once I get the bumper mocked up and in place I will look at it. I have been looking at pictures of Cudas all day and I think since they will be body color it might not be an issue.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 03, 2016 - 10:16:57 pm
I got about 80% done with the front bumper, took longer than I expected plus it was cold out so it took some time to get the shop warm. I still need to finish welding the front bumper bolts and filling the jack slots. For those who might be wondering, the bumper I used was/is a 73-74 I believe as were/are the brackets. I had to do a fair amount of modifying to get it where I wanted it and fitting the way I want it to. The 73-74 bumper has a bolt on the top, I do not believe the 70-72 bumpers do not have this hole. The way the bracket is for this top bolt, I had to remove that mounting position, I also had to modify the outside brackets to allow them to slide back. I slotted all of the mounting holes 2"; I will not use all of that but it gives me the adjustability I want. Now, for those you safety minded people who are thinking of commenting how these slots will allow the bumper to slide back into the grille and fenders, you are right to a degree, but what I may do once I am sure of the final location is weld in some stops, although to be honest I am not real concerned about it, these bumpers were never meant to take a whole lot of abuse and I try and make it a habit not to hit things with my Ebodies.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 03, 2016 - 10:19:04 pm
Some more pictures since  :useless: 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on January 04, 2016 - 04:40:22 am
 :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on January 04, 2016 - 10:46:38 am
The bumper looks good now.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 04, 2016 - 11:56:41 am
I agree, it turned out pretty well. Still need to fab my driving light brackets. Then I need to go back to the fenders and close the gaps, put a stud in the pass side (in the rear). I also need to tweak the lower fender mounting points.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 05, 2016 - 02:38:35 am
So, now I am looking at the driving lights. I am using KC Apollo lights which use a H3 bulb. The overall width of the light is 4.75" with a depth or thickness of 2.75. I was reviewing the Joe Rogan Sick Fish build book and they have a picture of a 70 Cuda and Joe's car which clearly shows the driving light placement. I am definitely leaning towards the placement similar to Rogans car. Here are some pics.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on January 05, 2016 - 10:13:56 am
Great work on the bumper brackets.

I think you will be happy with the look after filing the upper bolt holes and jack slots...

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/cudajas/IMG_1393_zpsk2vcg0ed.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/cudajas/media/IMG_1393_zpsk2vcg0ed.jpg.html)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/cudajas/IMG_1392_zps1oemblkj.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/cudajas/media/IMG_1392_zps1oemblkj.jpg.html)

 :bigsmile:

Jason
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: moparman82 on January 05, 2016 - 11:09:27 am
I'm with ya on the light placement, much cleaner look.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dfrazz on January 05, 2016 - 11:18:23 am
I'm with ya on the light placement, much cleaner look.


I love the '70 road lights!   :ylsuper: :bananasmi

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m125/danfrazz/1970%20Cuda/IMG_5993_zpsl8d4cctw.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/danfrazz/media/1970%20Cuda/IMG_5993_zpsl8d4cctw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on January 05, 2016 - 11:30:22 am
Agreed moving them outward is cleaner. Looks to be some metal Fab on lower valance to accept the lights. Panel is formed to follow around the outside portion of the  light.

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mpdlawdog on January 05, 2016 - 11:32:46 am
I vote outward with the lights as well...and thanks for posting the pic of the dash switch panel....given me some ideas....Love the build!!!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on January 05, 2016 - 11:51:36 am
well if we are voting...I vote no lights, I like the open look of the lower valance...that is my plan anyway!

 :clapping: :clapping:

Jason
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 05, 2016 - 12:12:39 pm
I appreciate the comments, the consensus appears to be having the lights moved outboard which is what I prefer as well. I too like the lights on the 70 and for a car such as that AAR, they look awesome and need to be where they are.

I don't think I will need to do any panel work to fit the lights under the bumper outboard, it seems to fit right in the corner actually pretty well. I will need to make a new mounting bracket for the light because it is too tall/long and puts the lights too far below the bumper; I want them tucked up right under the bumper. On the Rogan car they actually inlet the bumper a small amount for the lights, I do not think this is necessary and to be honest I don't really like the look as there is plenty of room below the bumper.

No worries on the switch panel picture, it wasn't a very good pic, if you need another let me know.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 06, 2016 - 01:38:08 am
Got the lights mocked up, fortunately I there is a tab on each bumper bracket just in the right spot with a 3/8 hole in it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on January 06, 2016 - 06:43:41 am
Mike, we have been mates for a while now so dont shoot me in the face!! I think the view from the front is great and the intention is fantastic,,,, but, the side view I think they need to be tucked further under the bumper, I know you cant do this without moving them more to the center line of the car due to the size of the lights which is not the frontal look your after, you would need to mod the valance 'mouth' as such to make the opening wider to be able to push the lights back under the bumper, just my thoughts mate.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dfrazz on January 06, 2016 - 10:20:51 am
Mike, we have been mates for a while now so dont shoot me in the face!! I think the view from the front is great and the intention is fantastic,,,, but, the side view I think they need to be tucked further under the bumper, I know you cant do this without moving them more to the center line of the car due to the size of the lights which is not the frontal look your after, you would need to mod the valance 'mouth' as such to make the opening wider to be able to push the lights back under the bumper, just my thoughts mate.

 :iagree:  Perhaps that is why the magazine pic only shows a head on shot. 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 06, 2016 - 12:17:31 pm
when I first looked at it after putting them in, I felt the same way. After looking at it for a little while I was less certain, however I agree that having them "hanging" out there is off putting. The real problem with moving the rearward is the inboard bumper bracket which is in the way. The other problem is that to be honest, the front of the car isn't really conducive to having lights down there in a way that "flows". Due to the way the lower valance is, the lights have to be outside of it to be functional (light beam angle). The issue here is that the way the valance slopes down and away, it makes the lights stick out very prominently which is why Chrysler stuck them in the middle on the 70 I suspect. If I want to stick them in the corners of the valance, I am going to have to modify the bumper brackets some which isn't a huge deal, just more time, cutting, welding, etc.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on January 06, 2016 - 02:41:45 pm
Looking back at the pic you are basing the change on. Look closely it appears that the lower valance is pulled outward and is lined up with almost the front of the bumper. Just observing the differences. 

Still like them spaced wider.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: MirageCuda on January 06, 2016 - 02:49:19 pm
Looking good!  My vote is lights outward.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 06, 2016 - 02:59:43 pm
The valance is lined up with the fenders and where it needs to be. I have to rethink this a little.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on January 06, 2016 - 07:50:40 pm
Looking great, nice work.  I liked how member rhamson installed 71? roadrunner signal lights. Cool idea!
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=106956.15 (http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=106956.15)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 06, 2016 - 08:35:29 pm
That was/is really cool.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Surfmichaels on January 06, 2016 - 11:25:13 pm
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/06/c5fdde10a2ac2cc78df6ee004efc2e3a.jpg)

I'm going no lights in the valance. I'll need to black out the center support though to get the proper look.


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: pdsbartech on January 07, 2016 - 01:55:32 am
Looks good buddy!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 07, 2016 - 02:37:35 am
Looks very clean; vanishing point Cuda..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Surfmichaels on January 07, 2016 - 06:35:48 pm
Thanks, been so busy at work that I have not been reading this site as much as I'd like, but I really like the ideas and theme in your build, similar to some of the ideas that I have. Got me back paying attention. I'll be following along closely...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 07, 2016 - 06:40:50 pm
Glad to have you, I have poached a lot of ideas from this forum myself. If nothing else, it is great for reference.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 01:43:05 am
Well, I built the brackets for the fog lights which turned out pretty decent. The issue I now have is that for some reason the left side is higher than the right (in terms away from the front valance) and I cannot quite figure out why. Everything seems to be where is should be, yet they are off. The brackets are the same, the bumper brackets are pretty much where they are supposed to be and the valance is bolt up completely (lines up). So I am not sure what is happening but once I get it all mocked back up, I will look at it closer and see if I can figure it out.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 01:45:03 am
LOL never mind, looking at the pics, the left side of the valance isn't aligned... duh...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on January 11, 2016 - 12:39:45 pm
Lol is right...
Ya get so focused on the piece at hand and forget the others.

Looks good there...

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 01:08:33 pm
Very true.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on January 11, 2016 - 03:35:05 pm
You have them tucked in well, good job. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 03:47:41 pm
The brackets were a work in a progress, I knew where I wanted the lights to go, wasn't sure how to get them there. As it turned out, they are somewhat adjustable (front/back). I need to now look at what I am going to do for a filler to replace the stock one.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on January 11, 2016 - 03:50:12 pm
The brackets were a work in a progress, I knew where I wanted the lights to go, wasn't sure how to get them there. As it turned out, they are somewhat adjustable (front/back). I need to now look at what I am going to do for a filler to replace the stock one.

they do look sharp.

Are you using these as turn signals?

As far as the filler, I would just use a 70 filler piece. 

Jason
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 03:59:25 pm
No, I have turn signals in the headlights, these are in fact driving lights.

the 70 piece is a good idea. I was contemplating making something out of sheet metal.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on January 11, 2016 - 04:01:18 pm
No, I have turn signals in the headlights, these are in fact driving lights.

the 70 piece is a good idea. I was contemplating making something out of sheet metal.

cool!!! 

Any pics.  I am looking to do the same.

Jason
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 04:06:42 pm
I haven't mounted the headlights yet, but will try and stick one in and get a pic of it. I bought a generic 7" street rod type of headlight that takes an H4 bulb.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on January 11, 2016 - 04:33:50 pm
I haven't mounted the headlights yet, but will try and stick one in and get a pic of it. I bought a generic 7" street rod type of headlight that takes an H4 bulb.

cool thanks!

Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 11, 2016 - 05:21:46 pm
no problem, I need to sort out my right headlight bucket as well. Not sure why it is apart completely, I don't remember taking it apart but it is and I need to try and find all the parts. I am thinking the springs were broken.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: TB3NVCUDA on January 24, 2016 - 02:19:31 pm
Love the build! Keep up the great work!! Your build is giving me some great inspiration for my 72 Cuda build!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 25, 2016 - 02:32:30 am
Very welcome. I got to get back on it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 02, 2016 - 12:46:21 am
I am slowly getting back to the car, things have been a little crazy at work lately. Anyway, I mounted the front spoiler and while I like it, I don't like the sides being open, so I am thinking of making some plates to close off the ends.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on February 02, 2016 - 01:36:14 pm
Agreed
Filled on the side as you have shown or even a nice looking lower bracket. Clevis eye setup?

Mike.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 02, 2016 - 01:41:11 pm
My intention is to make a sheet metal filler panel. The circles will be holes made via dimple dies (have a set I have been wanting to use).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mopar Mitch on February 02, 2016 - 02:48:18 pm
I also have the full-width front spoiler.. yet to be installed onto my Challenger.  However, I was planning to cut a center section out and hinge it (or otherwise make that center section removable, with side extensions ~1" each on it) so that my floor jack will be easy to slip underneath (jacking up on the k-frame).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 02, 2016 - 02:53:03 pm
interesting. I don't think I need that and I don't think I would want to section the front spoiler. I have a low profile long jack that I think will work ok, plus on my car with all the bracing, I can come in behind a front wheel and get it off the ground if need be.

You could use some Dzus fasteners to make your spoiler easily removable. Mine will be attached with screws into nutserts that will be put into the lower valance, so in theroy the spoiler could be removed fairly fast if need be.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mopar Mitch on February 02, 2016 - 02:56:07 pm
I was also planning to have rear supports from the inside of the spoiler to the valence for extra strength at high-speeds (or maybe front-mounted cables upwards)....   ideas...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 02, 2016 - 03:01:36 pm
Due to the angle of the spoiler, I do not think front mounted cables/rods would be of value or look very good. If the spoiler is mounted well, I don't think you should see a lot of flex at any speed (assuming you have the abs spoiler), it is pretty stout. The side plates I am looking to make are more for ascetics than function although they will provide support. I am unsure how good or bad the side panels will look but we will see. I originally was looking to make a modern Challenger type front splitter but decided to forgo it as I already have too many science experiments going on as it is. I am not super happy with this spoiler, but not hating it either.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mopar Mitch on February 02, 2016 - 03:07:32 pm
Your Cuda spoiler is the same one currently used on the race AAR cars on-track (except w/o the air ducts).   I believe those on the current race cars actually fiberglass (not ABS plastic) as supplied by cudaspoilerguy.com (Jon)... he's located outside of LA, CALIF.

I love these full-width front spoilers!... keeping the heritage of the cars and their intent!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 02, 2016 - 03:32:35 pm
I do like them (or I wouldn't have mounted it..) but they are a bit large and as I mention, I don't like the side being open, looks too much like it is unfinished for me. I have looked at many pictures of full on race AARs which is what got me onto this spoiler in the first place. I also like the ducts and may cut them out of mine, but we will see.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on February 02, 2016 - 04:37:05 pm
My intention is to make a sheet metal filler panel. The circles will be holes made via dimple dies (have a set I have been wanting to use).


I did something similar on my spoiler build. Dimple dies are nice to have. It will add strength for sure.  :2thumbs:
Mine might look low but I can get my floor jack under it with no issues.
 (http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu240/B_Richmond/challengerspoilerbracket.jpg) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/B_Richmond/media/challengerspoilerbracket.jpg.html)
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu240/B_Richmond/challengerspoilers1.jpg) (http://s651.photobucket.com/user/B_Richmond/media/challengerspoilers1.jpg.html)
http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=92239.60 (http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=92239.60)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 02, 2016 - 04:43:46 pm
that's pretty much exactly what I am going to do or try to do.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 360FISH on February 03, 2016 - 01:44:18 am
Great build!  Inspires me to get back off my @$$ and out to the garage...

Keep it up!

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 03, 2016 - 12:57:53 pm
Exactly my problem, getting off my a$$ and out to the shop.

Did a template last night and am considering it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on February 03, 2016 - 02:01:05 pm
I like it, it " finishes off" the spoiler IMO and hides the brake duct hose if you want.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 03, 2016 - 02:04:53 pm
Thanks, I am digging it as well. I need to make another template that is more final form, this was just a proof of concept. Things like this are time intensive but are those "little" things that are different which I am all about...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on February 03, 2016 - 02:17:03 pm
I had the dimple dies already but bought 2 different lengths of seaming pliers . They worked great and I'm sure I'll use them again. Common vise , jigsaw and a rubber hammer is all I needed to make the entire spoiler.  Cleco pins were usefull too.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 03, 2016 - 02:19:40 pm
Very cool. I have the dimple dies, brake, shear, etc. I have lots of machinery to make the side panels, just have to arrive at a final design.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 07, 2016 - 01:56:15 am
Transferred the template to sheet metal, I am pretty happy with the outcome thus far.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 360 'CUDA on February 07, 2016 - 02:51:26 am
Great work, I love the project so far.

The sides your building seem too big to me. Those airdams are built to flex as they bottom out in dips and over bumps. With the sides your making some of that energy will be transferred up into the fenders possibly wrecking them. They do look really cool though!!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 07, 2016 - 02:59:25 am
Thanks. I understand what you are saying but if the spoiler hits something it will flex in the middle. If I were to hit something out on the sides, it could damage the front valance and/or fender but I am willing to risk it because I don't like that big gap. Yes, it is a fashion thing but it is what it is. I am going to put 3 dimpled holes in it as well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 08, 2016 - 12:56:30 pm
Got both sides about done, overall I am very happy about how they turned out. I still have to finish welding the sides and attach them.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on February 08, 2016 - 02:40:30 pm
Looks great!  :clapping: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 08, 2016 - 02:53:45 pm
thanks, I am amazed that they came out close.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on February 08, 2016 - 06:02:59 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 08, 2016 - 08:51:47 pm
I am thinking if I should paint them black like the spoiler or body color or silver.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on February 08, 2016 - 09:21:10 pm
Same colour as the spoiler, not sure what colour to paint that though, it's a large surface area, maybe silver, green I think is too much and black is too much, just my opinion totally up to you bud
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 08, 2016 - 10:11:35 pm
The spoiler will be black, I am pretty sure of that. I like the idea of silver which would make it look more "racy" but also make them standout. Black will make them look like an extension of the spoiler which essentially they are. Green (body color) will make them look like an extension of the body which they are not and I think will harm the lines of the car. Right now, I am thinking black but we will see.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on February 09, 2016 - 05:16:10 pm
Black and if there is any texture to the spoiler match that as well. Yes they are an extension of it not the car.

They look right at home.
Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 09, 2016 - 05:30:56 pm
Black and if there is any texture to the spoiler match that as well. Yes they are an extension of it not the car.

They look right at home.
Mike

Good point, I will give it a try.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 10, 2016 - 02:22:57 am
Someone has asked me about my Accusump and how I mounted it, so I thought I would put some pics here.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 10, 2016 - 02:23:32 am
Some more pics.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 10, 2016 - 02:25:11 am
and yet some more.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 10, 2016 - 02:26:48 am
2 things before someone throws some crap... the oil filter is there for fitment only. I intend to make plates to cover the holes where the hoses come into the wheel well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on February 10, 2016 - 12:04:12 pm
The only crap I was going to throw was about all that dust and cobwebs in the wheel wells........ha. Nice job you are doing, it looks great.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 10, 2016 - 12:11:38 pm
LOL yea I need to clean them out, this has been a very term build.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: HP_Cuda on February 10, 2016 - 03:09:21 pm
 :roflsmiley:

2 things before someone throws some crap... the oil filter is there for fitment only. I intend to make plates to cover the holes where the hoses come into the wheel well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 11, 2016 - 11:23:12 pm
Not much to report, I got the nutserts in for the spoiler and got it mounted. I am now finishing up the side panels.

One issue thought is I seem to be missing a headlight bucket (passenger side). I have the part that bolts to the fender, but not the bucket itself. I know I had it, but cannot seem to find it; really pisses me off.. I wanted to mock up the headlights but have to modify the bucket due to the turn signals, but since I cannot find it....  :swear: :stomp:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mopar Mitch on February 12, 2016 - 03:28:10 pm
T/Anks very much for the Accusump mounting pics, etc... I'm planning to install an Accusump in the same general area, except possibly mount the remote filter just above the heater motor on the firewall.   (This may be done later in 2016 or 17 after the new engine is built, along with a Milodon road race oil pan, etc.)

Your setup is very nicely done!   MoPower to ya!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 12, 2016 - 04:00:49 pm
I mounted the filter where I did for several reasons; first is that I wanted to be able to easily access it, second is that having it there leaves it open to air flow (probably not a huge issue). I have all of my EFI stuff on the firewall by the heater motor so it was too crowded there. Plus, trying to change the filer there would result is oil running down the firewall as well as getting beat up by changing the filter always is like handing a hot potato.

I figure that if where I have the filter exposes it to road damage or something, I will just make a guard.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 12, 2016 - 05:07:13 pm
Here is the front end pretty much completely mocked up; I am using a 70 Cuda lower valance insert.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on February 13, 2016 - 01:27:20 pm
Quote
(This may be done later in 2016 or 17 after the new engine is built, along with a Milodon road race oil pan, etc.)
Mitch, are you looking at the Milodon 31590 pan?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 13, 2016 - 10:17:21 pm
I am running one of these; very nice pans and a decent price

http://www.kevkoracing.com/mopar.htm (http://www.kevkoracing.com/mopar.htm)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 14, 2016 - 01:16:50 am
Finally finished the spoiler side extensions, I really like them but they were quite a lot of work. I am going to paint them the same as the spoiler so they look like a part of it. I will post pictures of them painted.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 14, 2016 - 01:22:00 am
Also received my hood springs, they are 9" trampoline springs; should work.

I still need to finish getting the fenders attached completely (the bottoms seems to not want to line up, but that might because they are relaxed and have never been mounted). I then need to modify my headlight buckets slightly for the after market headlights (they have the turn signal in them).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 15, 2016 - 01:39:12 am
Worked on the car most of the day, it is the little things that take up the most time. I finished TIG welding up the front bumper which came out pretty good. I also worked on the lower fender mounts; couldn't figure out why the drivers side wouldn't put up into position and then realized it was because the top inner stud was tightened down. I also figured out that when I made my front torque boxes I inadvertently obscured one of the holes for the lower fender mounts, so I had to make a new stud mount for them.

I also cut out the front bumper for the driving lights. 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on February 15, 2016 - 12:35:18 pm
Ahhh I see what you have done there.
Bright idea. Haha  :picture:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 15, 2016 - 12:38:23 pm
 :bigsmile:

I got the idea from the Sick Fish. I was going to weld in a slight lip to give it a more finished look but need to alter the bumper bracket some but am not sure I need it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on February 15, 2016 - 07:36:25 pm
Great job. cool looking spoiler. I also like the textured finish on it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 15, 2016 - 07:38:09 pm
that is the way it came, I have coated the side panels in a similar fashion so they look like the spoiler.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mopar Mitch on February 15, 2016 - 07:52:17 pm
EB3 CUDA -- yes... the Milodon road race (touring as they also call it) oil pan.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 19, 2016 - 12:24:22 am
So, for you builders out there I am having a slight issue with getting my head around sequence. Currently I am in the mock up stage which I understand, however I am not really sure how to proceed; I know what has to be done just not exactly sure how to get there. I have seen a lot of builds and I suspect like many things there are more than one way to "skin the grape".. So, I thought I would throw it on here and see what feed back I get. Here are the things I need to get done;

1. body work
2. electrical
3. install glass
4. paint
5. reassemble the door window mechanisms and glass
6. install the interior

So, some of my questions are

A. should the fenders be painted off the car? If not or if it is optional, when are the inside of the fenders painted?
B. should the car be painted (post body work of course) before the electrical and interior? I "think" it should, but then again..

On the one hand, if the car is painted before everything is run/installed, I think it would be a better job, however then I risk damaging the new paint but all of the other work. I have heard professional builders say a car is constructed several times before it is assembled for the last time. I understand this, but am thinking I don't want to run all the wiring before I paint it.

This may seem simple to some on here, but this is really the first "ground up" I have ever done really with this level of fabrication and modification. My challenger was pretty straight forward.

Please  :feedback:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: IMNCARN82 on February 19, 2016 - 02:30:15 am
I'm no expert.  But I decided to paint the shell with the doors on. The lines and gaps are too finicky to get perfect. IMO.   And painted the fenders (on a fender stand) and Everything else at the same time.  I had sealed the backsides of everything prior.    paint  Was a big job.  Body work took years I think.  Made a big mess. I have the glass installed after paint.  (don't do this yourself)   Thing is, I've been doing the mechanicals and mock up type stuff as I drive it, Then tore it a new one.  Had to have a shop space.  This has been a big process.  Leading to multiple cars. I was a one car guy until the fever hit.  Heard it here:"Never seen someone get all the tools,Take all the time to learn,And then do one"  ha! 

Get the dirty work over with.  I spent forever on fit-up. Yea I replaced the freakn roof yo!  Eat that sh!t for breakfast.  (Now I do lead work too)  Don't ask why.   Gotta have every panel together before finals. Split your differences. And sit on it.  Go after it again.  The rear bumper and valence have more time on them than most cars do.  No seriously.    The new metals nothing compared to original. It reacts more,Not as stable.  I do not use weld through primers. Don't like the dirty welds. Never found one that worked good enough.    Didn't see exactly where you are or headed here. n I'll poke around sum more.   I shaved the bumperettes completely. Markers,Antenna. Kindig handles.  Lot's and lot's of personal touches.  That's what makes them unique. oh   so back to the order.

bodywork,fitup,fab. (eternity)
paint
cut/buff
engine
interior
glass
final assembly (fenders,stripes,Ect.)   

Everything's common sense. I've made a lot of mistakes and some bad choices. And just try and learn from them.  But I'm a perfectionist in my own way. With a vision of a car.  A dream cuda.      You are definitely in the right place.  And I think you got the fever too... :roflsmiley:   Ask questions, People here know freakn absolutely everything there is to know. and then some.  And they're generally really cool about it.  HP2 comes to mind. Scott helped me out a lot.Oh and Brad!!!   So many have come before us with these cars. A priceless wealth of knowledge and support.  Mopars, They get in your blood.    Ya, I looked for days for a trunk torsion rod that was never actually even there!     

R/T


Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 19, 2016 - 09:55:17 am
Thanks for the response. I have the bumper and valance work done, so that isn't an issue. I still need to address the seams in the roof (I installed new quarter panels). I am getting very close to completing panel mock up and fitment. I am not a perfectionist but do want it decent. The overall concept for the car was to be a pseudo race/street car, however this has taken on a life of its own with a huge amount of fabrication to include inletting the marker lights, rear mounted power antenna (very custom mount for that), 4 wheel disc brakes (all of which I made the mounts and made fit), mini tubes, homemade 4 link, custom center console, etc. I am going to finish mock up, then I need to blow apart the front end and finish up some things with the oil system, then move onto body work. I think I will then move on to paint, after which I am going to go to wiring and assembly. I need to get this done at some point, its been years and it is time to finish.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on February 19, 2016 - 05:11:54 pm
Mike,
after paint, just tape the hell out of all edges and surfaces, put cardboard bubble wrap and tape on any surface you will come in contact with to protect it during assembly, if your in and out of the interior, maybe put your door rubbers and latch mech in place so they dont bang shut metal on metal or accidently open etc.

one last thing,,,, hurry up will ya!!!!! I want to hear the beast   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 19, 2016 - 06:24:43 pm
yeah yeah... easy to be impatient when it isn't your time or money...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on February 19, 2016 - 07:04:57 pm
And from across the pond,, Paint it this sumer so you can finish it over the winter otherwise it'll be another sumer, you so close now, finish the tinkering, as soon as it gets warm enough, get the paint done.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 19, 2016 - 09:11:08 pm
Good plan  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 20, 2016 - 02:36:16 am
began modifying the lights; I am using a street rod light that has the blinker in the bottom of the light. while the say 7", they don't readily fit the headlight bucket, so I had to so a modification. The first go around I cut a little too much out but once I figured out how much I needed gone, I was able to fix it. Needs a little cosmetic work but other than that it is good.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on February 20, 2016 - 08:16:39 am
yeah yeah... easy to be impatient when it isn't your time or money...  :bigsmile:
Cut off date for calendar pics is somewhere around the end of October I think. That leaves seven months for completion and one month of driving around taking pics.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 20, 2016 - 02:06:05 pm
Easy breezy....  :cooldancing:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Denison636 on February 20, 2016 - 02:24:19 pm
Very nice work. It looks like your car A.D.D. is not near as bad as mine. I keep jumping back and fourth on projects. But as long as it comes together in the end is what counts.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 20, 2016 - 09:48:22 pm
LOL I can tell you I have done exactly that many times; however beginning late last year I made a concerted effort to remain on this one. That said, I do jump around a little on this one as well, based mainly on what I am interested in or thinking about at the time. The way I figure it, it all has to get done so it matters little in what order. I try not to start something and not finish it before moving to something else, but that can be a challenge as well, especially when there are multiple like items (such 2 headlights), I will do one and then jump onto something else and have to come back later. Much easier to do all of it at the same time once you have a plan. In fact, that is what I am doing today, finishing the headlights, then go back to the bumper and finish it out. Then I think I will take the front end apart and address a few issues there.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Denison636 on February 20, 2016 - 11:41:49 pm
Lol, I just caught my self adjusting my pinning snubber then starting reworking my fuel plumbing and remounting my fuel pump where it is hidden out of everyone's eyes.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 21, 2016 - 12:43:49 am
Oh yea, been there done that. Easily distracted...

Back on it, got the headlight buckets modified. Just an FYI for anyone working on headlights, the mounting plates that bolts to the car are the same left and right, however they bolted to the car differently which means that the top of the headlights are indexed differently. My point is, you must pre-fit everything before cutting anything so you are sure you know where the top is.

Now working on the bumper.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 22, 2016 - 11:56:44 am
Got the front end pretty much sorted out. I am very happy with where it is, this is the first time this car has had a "face" on it in over 10 years. For those interested, the headlights have the blinkers in the bottom of the lens (never liked the 72-74 marker lights). I also finished the front bumper up.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on February 22, 2016 - 03:44:25 pm
 :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dave73chally on February 22, 2016 - 04:25:15 pm
Finally finished the spoiler side extensions, I really like them but they were quite a lot of work. I am going to paint them the same as the spoiler so they look like a part of it. I will post pictures of them painted.

Love this idea, might have to steal it for my camaro spoiler  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 22, 2016 - 04:27:23 pm
really ties in the spoiler to the car.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 22, 2016 - 04:30:54 pm
:2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Thanks, spent a lot time making sure the bumper wouldn't crack...  :roflsmiley:

Now moving onto the top of the fender to door gaps. Then I will pull it all apart, readjust the passenger door (again), then make covers for the oil lines.

I have to figure out if I am going to paint the fenders off the car or not. I am thinking about just painting the insides and then remount them and paint them with the rest of the car. In my head this makes more sense and will eliminate a surprise during reassembly.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on February 22, 2016 - 06:17:22 pm
Where did you get the headlights with the embedded turn signal? Do you have a part number? That's a cool set up!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 22, 2016 - 07:18:24 pm
You can get them anywhere (streetrod companies, ebay, etc), here is a link

http://www.southernrods.com/headlights-taillights--lighting/7-headlights-with-led-turn-signals.html (http://www.southernrods.com/headlights-taillights--lighting/7-headlights-with-led-turn-signals.html)

they come in a variety of versions, colors, etc. Many of them are tri-bar which I didn't like (3 bars in/on the light).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: IMNCARN82 on February 22, 2016 - 07:52:38 pm
Ha, Looks like we sourced the same headlights!  I like ebunk though.  They work good. Quick n bright. The markers turn off when the headlights pop on. And only work as directionals.  I'm running the led's to the outsides.     Looks good over there!! Keep it up!!!  Sure do like the 72-4 grille. My favorite.   :working:   R/T
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 22, 2016 - 08:09:40 pm
My lights have a running/parking side and a turn signal side (much brighter). We will see how it comes together once I wire them up (that will be some time from now). When researching these, I spent a lot of time trying to find as best quality as I could, these have a replaceable bulb (most do) and a glass lens. They seem very not but... no wiring information at all of the marker/running lights. There are 2 wires coming out of the LED; white one for ground (yes the white one), black for running lights and red for turn signal. No idea how/who came up with this but it seems a bit odd.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on February 23, 2016 - 05:49:40 pm
Looking good there.

Yup guilty also ADD guilty...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on February 23, 2016 - 06:25:34 pm
thanks. moving ahead slowly.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 16, 2016 - 12:00:23 am
got a little work done on the car, I toyed with making some covers for the oil lines in the passenger fender well, however I decided instead to cover the lines with a hard covering. What I used is a product designed big rig air lines. I think it turned out pretty well, still will make a clamp to ensure the lines stay away from the tire. In case anyone is wondering, the wheel/tire does not get near the line at full lock.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 18, 2016 - 11:44:52 pm
I posted this in the body shop section but thought it might be better to post it here as well.

Ok, so here is the background. I installed new quarters on my Cuda and thought I have made sure everything was in the right place before I welded them in. The passenger side door has some damage on the bottom rear corner of the door, and I "assumed" that it would all line up when all of it is was in. Short story here is that it appears that I did not get the passenger side quarter in far enough and now I have a 1/4" height problem between the door and quarter. After a lot of inspecting and comparing, I am positive that the lower quarter behind the door has to come in. So my question is if anyone has any pearls of wisdom how to correct it outside of drilling out all of the spot welds? To that point, it was all clamped in before I welded it, so this makes me think there are some other issues here that are going to require some cutting and moving metal (which isn't an issue). This is not a restoration, but I also do not want a 1/4" height off set between them because it is very noticeable. I thought about cutting the edges and pulling the panel in, but on the bottom where it makes the bend into the door frame seems a little tricky. I am not afraid of cutting and welding, I just don't want to make it worse or get it to where I am whacking out the bottom of a new quarter. The upside is that the rest of the door lines up pretty well.

thanks in advance for any tips or advice. Lacking any feed back, I will start cutting and figure it out.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on March 19, 2016 - 05:37:06 pm
Are your door rubbers in (yes I giggled while I typed that because despite my age I am really just a 12 year old boy!)?

Jason
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 20, 2016 - 12:07:49 am
 :bigsmile: No they are not, however it is sorted out now. I spent the entire day (well most of it) working on the doors and got them as good as they are going to get. The gaps are decent (for me) but a perfectionist would spend more time making the exact.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on March 20, 2016 - 12:25:56 am
Looks like it came out pretty dam good from here, :worshippy


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 20, 2016 - 12:32:05 am
Not bad, I am happy with it. Once it has paint on it I don't think it will matter much. It is so easy to focus on the micro and spend hours on small details. It is just as easy to say "good enough", and then look back and redo it because you can't stand it... LOL. I have to get the sheet metal sorted so I can get the body work done, then on to paint. The goal is to get it painted this year; then on to assembly.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on March 20, 2016 - 01:48:02 am
Lookin great Mike, stay on it mate, this was one of the hurdles if I recall, fenders still need some or did you sort that?, not long now till we see green flow
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on March 20, 2016 - 04:36:19 am
Nice work! So what did you have to do? Did you twist the door or did you have to cut the quarter loose?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 20, 2016 - 11:05:33 am
Looks a hell of a lot better  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on March 20, 2016 - 11:26:02 am
Looks much better  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 20, 2016 - 01:50:07 pm
Lookin great Mike, stay on it mate, this was one of the hurdles if I recall, fenders still need some or did you sort that?, not long now till we see green flow

Still need to attend to the fender to door gap at the top, but that isn't a huge issue. The weather is on and off here which somewhat dictates my work schedule on the car (easy to not work on it when it is cold outside...).

I still need to do a spray out on the Eastwood sublime to see how close it is to Chrysler green.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 20, 2016 - 01:53:30 pm
Nice work! So what did you have to do? Did you twist the door or did you have to cut the quarter loose?

I twisted the crap out of it...  :bigsmile: Actually it wasn't that bad, but I did end up going back and adjusting the height and door striker a couple of times to get it where I wanted it. I also pulled out the latch and cleaned it thoroughly and relub'd it. After getting the door pretty much where it needed to be, I then ground down the edge of the door to get the gap, then welded it up and smoothed it in. Of course, that made me go and look at the drivers side and subsequently had to give that some love as well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 20, 2016 - 02:06:49 pm
I agree it looks MUCH better. Onward and Forward...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 28, 2016 - 03:57:05 pm
This last weekend, I decided to work on the fenders a little and in that path decided I needed a fender stand. Using some old scrap laying around I came up with this. I need to modify it (gen II) so that the fenders are not as close as I will use it to paint them as well I think.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 28, 2016 - 09:14:30 pm
This last weekend, I decided to work on the fenders a little and in that path decided I needed a fender stand. Using some old scrap laying around I came up with this. I need to modify it (gen II) so that the fenders are not as close as I will use it to paint them as well I think.

That is cool, nice job!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on March 28, 2016 - 09:27:07 pm
 :wavingflag: Awsome, i love reading your thread, you have some great ideas!! :ylsuper:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Brillo1974 on March 28, 2016 - 09:44:26 pm
Nice job on the fender stands!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 29, 2016 - 12:02:59 am
Here is gen II of the fender stand, kind of took on a life of its own but it is much better now.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 29, 2016 - 12:04:57 am
BTW, these are goodmark fenders. They are not bad but comparing them to the originals, the back of the fenders where they are suppose to meet the doors, the GM ones are significantly off. This stand is going to help me fix that  :bigsmile:
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Post by: loco340cuda on March 29, 2016 - 10:11:55 am
Wow, cool stand!
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Post by: 70chall440 on March 29, 2016 - 10:45:37 am
Thanks  :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on March 29, 2016 - 02:22:57 pm
Wow, cool stand!

BTW - how do you like your stroked 340? Mine is also stroked to 416, although I have yet to get it running. I am running a comp roller cam, Edelbrock heads and a EFI 6-pack system as well as TTI headers. I am looking forward to hearing it run.
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Post by: loco340cuda on March 29, 2016 - 06:51:51 pm
BTW - how do you like your stroked 340? Mine is also stroked to 416, although I have yet to get it running. I am running a comp roller cam, Edelbrock heads and a EFI 6-pack system as well as TTI headers. I am looking forward to hearing it run.

It's great.  My 416 was built as a street motor, more for just burning the tires.   :burnout:  The build is conservative but reliable. I originally wanted Eddy heads on it but it was not in the budget at the time and now that I have driven it all these years I am completely fine with the way it runs and I don't want to mess with it.  My favorite thing about it is that it has a Mopar Performance 484 cam in it (108LSA) and it has a really mean idle.  :bigsmile:  I get a lot of comments at stoplights about how cool the car sounds.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 29, 2016 - 06:56:42 pm
Very cool  :bigsmile: I am looking forward to getting mine done, now if I would just get off my backside and do it...
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Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on March 29, 2016 - 09:29:21 pm
Nice!!!!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on March 29, 2016 - 11:28:54 pm
BTW - how do you like your stroked 340? Mine is also stroked to 416, although I have yet to get it running. I am running a comp roller cam, Edelbrock heads and a EFI 6-pack system as well as TTI headers. I am looking forward to hearing it run.

What the specs on your cam?  Is it a hydraulic or solid?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 30, 2016 - 12:52:36 am
What the specs on your cam?  Is it a hydraulic or solid?

Cam Style:
Hydraulic roller tappet 
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,500-6,200 
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 236 
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 242 
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 236 int./242 exh. 
Advertised Intake Duration: 286 
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 294 
Advertised Duration: 286 int./294 exh. 
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.544 in. 
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.541 in. 
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.544 int./0.541 exh. 
Lobe Separation (degrees): 110 
Computer-Controlled Compatible: No 
Grind Number: XR286HR-10
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Post by: HP_Cuda on March 30, 2016 - 12:30:18 pm


Heh thats the same cam I'm running.

What did you decide to run with lifters?

Cam Style:
Hydraulic roller tappet 
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,500-6,200 
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 236 
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 242 
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 236 int./242 exh. 
Advertised Intake Duration: 286 
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 294 
Advertised Duration: 286 int./294 exh. 
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.544 in. 
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.541 in. 
Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.544 int./0.541 exh. 
Lobe Separation (degrees): 110 
Computer-Controlled Compatible: No 
Grind Number: XR286HR-10
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 30, 2016 - 01:17:03 pm
I am using this

HUG 5321

SMALL BLOCK HYD ROLLER LIFTER SET

MADE IN USA WITH A NEW IMPROVED MODERN DESIGN

http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/products.php?browse=browse&level0=QS0gU21hbGwgQmxvY2sgIkxBIg==&level1=TGlmdGVycw==&level2=Um9sbGVy&level3=SHlkcmF1bGlj&partid=26114 (http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/products.php?browse=browse&level0=QS0gU21hbGwgQmxvY2sgIkxBIg==&level1=TGlmdGVycw==&level2=Um9sbGVy&level3=SHlkcmF1bGlj&partid=26114)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: HP_Cuda on March 30, 2016 - 03:51:24 pm

Whoa, same grind but I'm running a big block.

Guess the grind will work either way. Kinda crazy.

What I'm impressed with is the amount of vacuum I still get with this one.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 30, 2016 - 03:56:17 pm
I will confirm or deny when I finally get mine fired up; at the rate I am going it might be awhile... I got the formula from Mike and Muscle Motors, he tells me that this combo should make north of 500HP, however we will see. He swears that it will and that he has dyno sheets to prove it. I was going to use some shorty headers, but he was insistent that I needed to use TTI or Hooker super comps to see the HP. The only change I made to his formula was the EFI 6 pack, but it should flow as well as what he was using so that should be a wash.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 31, 2016 - 02:18:32 pm
I have been working on getting the fenders sorted out. These are goodmark repops and while they are not bad, they do have some issues.

The first issue I ran into was the nut for the stud at the rear of the drivers side fender broke free requiring me to cut out the block, weld in a new nut and then weld it all back together.

The next issue is the passenger fender has shipping damage at the back where it would be by the windshield. I was able to beat it back into rough shape and will be able to correct it during the body work phase.

The last issue is that on the bottoms of the fenders where they bolt to the body (down by the rocker panel by the door), they do not line up at all. At first I was thinking something was seriously wrong with them (too long, wrong stamp, etc) but then after close examination realized that the inner brace they are using is not stamped deep enough and the flange where you would put over the studs or put bolts through was made too long. This is a result I think of their measuring technique in manufacturing. The "engineer" focused on the distance from the underside of the inner brace to the bolt hole slots, however he did not measure from the top of the fender down, thus the bolt holes are below the place they need to be. Unfortunately due to the shallowness of the inner brace, you cannot simply drill/make new holes because there will not be enough room for a nut or bolt with washer to get in there (the washer would push up against the inner brace).

Therefore there are 2 options
1. make a bracket that drops the mounting points down about 1/2 inch. This could be done relatively easy, however if you really look at it you will notice the fender attaching flange hanging down slightly. Not a huge issue, but an issue all the same.
2. cut out a window in the inner fender brace and raise it up about 1/4 inch, then remake the mounting holes, then trim off the excess flange.

I am going with option #2 as I think the results will be much nicer. Of course this is the most amount of work, but after 8 years or so, I guess I can wait a little while longer. Here are some pictures for your viewing enjoyment.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 31, 2016 - 02:20:18 pm
Here is some pictures of the gap at the top; not terrible but can be much better.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 31, 2016 - 04:04:09 pm
Obviously I spend too much time on this forum as this is my 2000th post... Damn how time flies  :bigsmile:
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Post by: roadman5312 on March 31, 2016 - 05:04:39 pm
Obviously I spend too much time on this forum as this is my 2000th post... Damn how time flies  :bigsmile:

                        It becomes an addiction.  :bigsmile:   Stick around, your technical help is invaluable, your political posts very insightful.   :2thumbs:   :rebel:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on March 31, 2016 - 05:45:15 pm
Thanks!

I have not intention of going anywhere, too much fun here  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on March 31, 2016 - 06:08:12 pm
Here is some pictures of the gap at the top; not terrible but can be much better.

So I guess this is what I have to look forward too, since I have a GM passenger fender as well .
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Post by: 70chall440 on March 31, 2016 - 06:34:21 pm
So I guess this is what I have to look forward too, since I have a GM passenger fender as well .

Most likely. It isn't that bad but it depends on your skill set and tools.
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 01, 2016 - 12:28:57 am
So I made some headway on the drivers side fender. I built a new inner brace piece and got it welded in. I was going to TIG it all in, but I couldn't get it positioned where I liked it, so I ended up MIG'ing it in. It came out well and I still have some work to do. I need to close up the holes, then cut new ones into it in the right place.
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 02, 2016 - 11:26:06 pm
Spent all day working on the fenders and I think I finally got them to line up and fit. I was intending on closing the gap by the door but now I am thinking I am going to leave them. I need to clean up the driver's door skin but all in all I think it is ok. I will see what I think tomorrow and see what I think. I can definitely see what metal/body guys get paid a lot and why it takes such a long time to get a car done; especially with these Goodmark fenders.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Ken D on April 03, 2016 - 03:10:23 am
If it is any consolation it was a lot of work with my AMD parts also to get nice gaps.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 03, 2016 - 11:53:18 am
Good to know. I think it is the overall design of the cars (lots of sheetmetal parts all welded together to make it) and 40 years of abuse, coupled with perhaps a little tolerance stack with the new parts. My gaps (except for the tops to the fenders, isn't bad, in fact they are very acceptable to me. Its the tops of the fenders which I go back and forth about. I am most likely going to close the gaps because if I don't, I will always look at it and know I could have.
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Post by: usraptr on April 03, 2016 - 06:57:19 pm
Don't know how I missed it until now, but just found and read this from page 1.  All I gotta say is you have some GREAT fabrication skills!   :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 04, 2016 - 12:32:59 am
Don't know how I missed it until now, but just found and read this from page 1.  All I gotta say is you have some GREAT fabrication skills!   :2thumbs:

Thanks, I really appreciate the compliment. It has been a long path and I have learned a lot over the years.
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 04, 2016 - 12:53:42 am
SITREP - I worked on the car all weekend. The fenders about sucked the life out me but I think I got them as good as I need them. May not be the best for some its going to work for me. I also got the inside of the fenders primed, the underside of the header panel and the undersides of the front and rear valances primed.

My next step is to mask off the parts of the car that I don't want paint on, then install the fenders, header panel and valances, then start the body work.... yippee....

The left side (passenger) looks larger but once the it is bolted down and adjusted it is better.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 04, 2016 - 04:52:29 pm
I have to mount the mirrors, mask off and mount/adjust the fenders, then on to body work. Since it has new fenders, new quarters and a new door skin, I am hoping this should be too terrible of a job.
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Post by: larry4406 on April 04, 2016 - 06:28:30 pm
How did you adjust the gender gaps?  Welding rod to edge?

Nice progress.
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 04, 2016 - 07:11:12 pm
Some cutting, some welding and a lot of grinding. Just have to work slow and have patience. No big changes without reason.
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Post by: roadman5312 on April 04, 2016 - 07:12:53 pm
                  Patience is a virtue.   :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 04, 2016 - 07:17:34 pm
                  Patience is a virtue.   :2thumbs:

Not my strong suit normally..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 05, 2016 - 10:53:21 am
Got the mirrors mounted, was a bit more involved that it really should have been but I was very intent on mounting them exactly where I wanted them. I have thought about going to an after market mirror, but then decided against it. I will be using painted mirrors but I used my chrome ones to mock up.

First time this car has had mirrors on it in 8 years, first time it has ever had a passenger side mirror.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on April 05, 2016 - 03:54:02 pm
 :2thumbs:Keep at it Mike, great progress
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 05, 2016 - 04:01:51 pm
thanks, I am trying.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on April 05, 2016 - 08:51:20 pm
Great to see the progress.  Did you put the mirrors at stock positioning or custom?  I need to put a mirror on my passenger door for the first time also.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 05, 2016 - 09:01:51 pm
Stock position. Measure a lot :)
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 06, 2016 - 12:08:49 am
Just in case you are wondering, what I did is measure an old door I had for the car, then I marked where the holes should be. I also measured the mirror hole spacing, then I drilled the front hole (ONLY THIS HOLE AT THIS TIME). I installed the rivnut, screwed the mirror to the door and check to make sure it lined up with the mark I made previously (it was off slightly). I then used a transfer punch (get a whole set at harbor freight cheap). Then I removed the mirror and drilled the second hole and installed the rivnut.

It isn't hard, but it isn't something you want to screw up on since there is not wiggle room really (maybe a 1/64th or something at best). Due to the various belt/body lines it can be deceiving when measuring. You can also make a simple template out of some construction paper or printer paper, but I highly recommend you measure many times and drill once.
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Post by: redo1973 on April 06, 2016 - 07:05:11 am
Thanks for the advice.  Do you have measurement that I could borrow?  I promise to give them back :bigsmile:
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 06, 2016 - 11:11:35 am
Disclaimer here.. These are my measurements and there is always a chance something is off, I highly recommend you drill and insert the rivet nut into the front hole first then attach the mirror and line it up. This pic is obviously the drivers side, the passenger side is the same except w/o the center hole.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: HP_Cuda on April 06, 2016 - 11:59:00 am

Keep at it, your perseverance will pay off!!!

 :2thumbs:

thanks, I am trying.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 10, 2016 - 11:26:13 pm
I have been working on the car quite a lot lately, lots of little issues to deal with. I had to cut out a piece on the Dutchman panel and weld in a patch panel, also reinstalled and adjusted the front fenders and header panel. I have already welded up the quarter panel seals completely and today I filled those gaps with All Metal. I also put new seam sealer around the tail light panel and drip rail.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 11, 2016 - 01:01:40 am
Lookin good! I see progress! Why's your shop so clean? I can't change the air filter without 1/2 my tools and other stuff on the car, floor, under the car.
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Post by: dave73chally on April 11, 2016 - 08:36:09 am
I have been working on the car quite a lot lately, lots of little issues to deal with. I had to cut out a piece on the Dutchman panel and weld in a patch panel, also reinstalled and adjusted the front fenders and header panel. I have already welded up the quarter panel seals completely and today I filled those gaps with All Metal. I also put new seam sealer around the tail light panel and drip rail.

Nice work! All metal is good stuff
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 11, 2016 - 12:49:36 pm
Lookin good! I see progress! Why's your shop so clean? I can't change the air filter without 1/2 my tools and other stuff on the car, floor, under the car.

Kind of a new years resolution, I have always tried to keep the shop clean, at least tidy, but have normally failed miserably. Then I am looking for something and cannot find it, so screaming and cursing ensues. I decided that if I actually put crap away when I am done or at least centrally locate it, I might be able to find something. So far it is working, however like every shop, any flat surface becomes a handy place to lay things with the "I will out that away later". Its a work in progress.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 11, 2016 - 12:54:21 pm
Nice work! All metal is good stuff

Thanks and I agree. I recently had to remove some because I got ahead of myself and getting it off is a challenge. A grinder/flap wheel does it ok but it definitely sticks. Sanding it is a lot of fun as well. That said, I really like it for the seams and places where you would normally have a metal of some type. For anyone reading this that is not familiar with body work who gets the idea "why not just use all metal instead of body filler" I would say, there are basically 2 reasons; 1 - All Metal is a bit porous and as such needs something on top of it to smooth it out so it doesn't print through the top coat and 2 - it is far too expensive (~$40/qt) to do a whole car.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 11, 2016 - 10:03:13 pm
Every time I do body work I realize why people get paid so much do it. I got the sail panel seams knocked down but I need the body filler I ordered to finish them. I was able to make adapters for my bumpers to put them on my fender stand so I could work on them some as well. Its hard to stay on task as there is so much to do. I now remember why I never got into paint and body work...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 12, 2016 - 11:45:41 pm
Every time I do body work I realize why people get paid so much do it. I got the sail panel seams knocked down but I need the body filler I ordered to finish them. I was able to make adapters for my bumpers to put them on my fender stand so I could work on them some as well. Its hard to stay on task as there is so much to do. I now remember why I never got into paint and body work...
If you did body work everyday for a living I'm sure you would have some of this routine down,  :dunno: but I think it takes a certain person who likes to do this work for a living. Looks like you've got some good fab skills that sure help though. Shops still clean.  :2thumbs:
Where did you get the AAR hood I see in the back? Are you happy with the build quality?
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 13, 2016 - 12:24:03 am
Thanks for the compliments and yes the shop is still clean, well mostly so.

The hood is from Stinger (aka AAR fiberglass) and yes the quality is pretty good. I think this is a better hood than the originals to a degree.

I agree, if paint and body work was my calling I am sure I would have it dialed in. I have done a bit of it over the years and have painted a number of vehicles. The problem I am having is getting my head around all of the steps/sequences. I know what they are (mostly) but I am not comfortable/confident with them so I have to constantly think about it in detail. I guess it is mostly a confidence issue, not a skill issue per se.

As I see it and have it in my head, the sequence of events needs to be as follows (body guys feel free to jump in here)

1. perform all metal repair/fab work
2. align the panels/set the gaps
3. contour the body as needed
   a. fill quarter seams, fill any place metal isn't to be used
   b. shoot polyester filler/primer (as many times as necessary)
   c. block down until flat (as many times as necessary) - plan to block using 80 and 120
4. shoot primer filler and block (as many times as necessary) plan to block using 120, 220 and 320
5. paint inner structure
   a. door jambs and doors
   b. inside car (not painting everything, only a few areas
   c. underside of trunk and hood
   d. inner fenders and inside valances off car
   e. inside of trunk
6. paint outside of car
7. Assemble car
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 14, 2016 - 12:44:32 am
I have been easing into this body work, got the sail panels about sorted out and today I mounted the trunk lid and stripped it. I figured out this car had 3 paint jobs in its life prior to the one it is about to get; the factory paint, 1 respray in the original Basin Blue, then a recolor to black. I am using Evercoat Rage body filler; man it goes on nice and sands out really well.

I still need to figure out the sanding levels. So far I have been using pretty coarse grit to contour and shape what I need done, however I am a little unclear how fine I should go for the polyester filler (I am thinking 80 to offer some bite); then how fine to shape that before I go to primer. In the past I went to 320 before paint.

BTW, it is finally looking like a real car and I am getting excited to see it in color. I am really happy with the sunken in marker lights.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 14, 2016 - 11:43:33 am
I did notice and corrected it after the picture was taken.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on April 14, 2016 - 09:04:17 pm
Man I'm jealous :ylsuper:  Can you tell me what the size of the gap is between the deck lid and the dutchmen?  Mine is looking too wide but all my other lines with the quarters are good.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on April 14, 2016 - 09:56:11 pm
Car is looking fantastic.  You'll have a lot to be proud of in the end.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Denison636 on April 14, 2016 - 10:15:23 pm
Every one is a critic. Do things that so long as your happy with them. There is a million ways to do things and everyone has there own opinion. I don't really pay attention to many people on due to this. Not knocking them but I have forgotten more about a motor then most ever learned. I call these people on here key board ninjas that like to knock everything. I bet 90% of them pay to have there work done or buy it already done and can read some specs. A perfect example is I could not tell you my exact cam I got in my car with out digging out the card. I probably put in a hundred cams sense I did mine and some can't believe I don't have it memorized. I can however tell you the stuff that meant something like oil clearance for rod and crank and what type of compression I measured due to I spent a lot of time in that.
Overall great job and keep up the great work. If you seen half of the stuff I have seen come threw the shops I work at you would be amazed what places let slide
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on April 14, 2016 - 10:36:15 pm
Those markers do look good 70Chall!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 14, 2016 - 11:57:43 pm
Thanks all. I take all advice, comments and even criticism with an open mind. I know what I want to do and how to do many things, however there are somethings which I am less experienced with (such as paint and body) that I will gladly seek advice. Also, for me it is good to have another set (or sets) of eyes on things as after I have stared at something long enough it just looks "right", whereas a casual look by someone else (albeit on a picture) my see something I am completely over looking. That said, I don't suffer fools all that well and someone who is just being a dick will surely get the same in kind. Then there is a "personal preference" aspect wherein I like something and someone else doesn't. In that case, I will be polite, however in the end it is my name on the title and therefore I can do whatever I like. I would like to think I have a good vision for the end result, however I am sure there is someone out there that may not agree, so be it, that is their right.

I do agree with the comments about far too many "keyboard warriors" on the internet in general. I have no issues with someone who doesn't have the time, skills or tools to build a car, however I do get slightly annoyed when they talk like they were the ones who actually built it (we all have run into them). I meet a lot of them at car shows where they are proud to rattle off numbers, stats, etc; typically things someone else told them and they believe like the gospel. I surely don't know every spec of my car, I can tell you where I got the parts and I can look up whatever spec is in question, but I don't concern myself with memorizing any of them.

For those of you have or are building a car/s, you know how much time and effort it takes and to you guys I welcome your comments. To those of you who just like the cars, have purchased one or spend a lot of time on the internet looking at cars, I welcome your comments as well. All of the comments keep it alive and help with the enthusiasm when things get bogged down.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Denison636 on April 15, 2016 - 12:05:40 am
Very well put. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 15, 2016 - 12:08:50 am
Thanks and I will. I can see the "light" now and am anxious to see it painted although I have a ways to go.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Denison636 on April 15, 2016 - 12:12:56 am
I am in the same boat on paint.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 15, 2016 - 12:17:10 am
Guess we will make this journey together  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Denison636 on April 15, 2016 - 12:24:11 am
I just wish I had the the money to do what I want with paint but I will probably settle with a Macco paint job after I get my body the way I want it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 15, 2016 - 12:35:50 am
Not sure what you want to do, but I am going with Eastwood products for this one. I think they are decent and will deliver what I need. Prices are very good; sure it isn't ppg but it will get color on your car.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on April 15, 2016 - 07:05:11 am
 :wavingflag: I hear you! I spent over a hundred just to get sample colors to do test sprays.  But better to be sure of your color rather than pay a ton for something  you don't like in the end.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 16, 2016 - 11:32:21 am
fortunately for me, I am not doing a resto, more like a restomod; so it can be however I like it or it turns out. The Eastwood sublime is close to the Chrysler version although not exactly, but for me it is close enough.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 16, 2016 - 11:43:48 pm
Obviously there is a reason they call it body "work"... definitely get a good work out doing it. I was able to get the pass door sorted out and properly gapped. I think I liked it better when I didn't care...  :roflsmiley: I have also been working on getting the quarter and rocker seams filled and leveled out.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on April 17, 2016 - 01:28:56 am
The gap looks great. Body work is something I never attempted or had a desire to, hats off to you for what you are doing.
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 17, 2016 - 09:51:19 pm
Thanks. I cannot say I ever wished to do it, however I have one a number of occasions. I don't hate it, I just need to be more comfortable with it (which only comes with practice). If I could afford to hand it off, I might but then again I might not as I do like doing things myself.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on April 18, 2016 - 10:24:54 pm
For every thing I accomplish on my cars it is done for the simple fact that I am mechanical in nature. The career of choice is manufacturing. I eat up the cad technology but what I accomplish with my hands is far more gratifying. Body and paint will just be part of the evolution.

It is also extremely gratifying to see how much more you get for the $$$ outlay.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 19, 2016 - 12:12:31 am
I do agree, doing it yourself while at times frustrating, it is very gratifying.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 19, 2016 - 12:41:06 am
I was able to get the pass door sorted out and properly gapped. I think I liked it better when I didn't care...

Nice work and the shops staying clean!
You touched on something I've  struggle with before, where do you stop? Your thread title tells me it's not going to be a show car? You posted about auto X elsewhere so it sounds like your going to have fun with it. Anyway here's a video that your thread remindeds me of. Not sayin this is what your after.  :bigsmile:
http://youtu.be/oghaMwMT7T8 (http://youtu.be/oghaMwMT7T8)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on April 19, 2016 - 01:26:02 am
Hey cudakiller, what do you know about the car in that video? Is the car by any chance from the Bay Area in Northern California?


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Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 19, 2016 - 01:41:31 pm
Hey cudakiller, what do you know about the car in that video? Is the car by any chance from the Bay Area in Northern California?


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You noticed too, ya where he was driving it sure looks like the hills around here or nor cal. I don't know about this guy or car, have never seen this car anywhere around here. Cool story and car.
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Post by: Mopar Mitch on April 19, 2016 - 01:48:50 pm
The owner of that primer Cuda also makes the AAR plastic ABS front spoilers... aka... rylisspro (sp?)   He's been working on the Cuda for a few years... great car; great efforts!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 19, 2016 - 01:50:26 pm
I really love that car, simple yet functional.
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Post by: dave73chally on April 19, 2016 - 02:43:09 pm
It's a small block beck kuda  :ylsuper:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 19, 2016 - 05:32:31 pm
I really love that car, simple yet functional.
So is black suede your color?
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Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on April 19, 2016 - 06:50:45 pm
Nice work and the shops staying clean!
You touched on something I've  struggle with before, where do you stop? Your thread title tells me it's not going to be a show car? You posted about auto X elsewhere so it sounds like your going to have fun with it. Anyway here's a video that your thread remindeds me of. Not sayin this is what your after.  :bigsmile:
[url]http://youtu.be/oghaMwMT7T8[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/oghaMwMT7T8[/url])



Cool video! He has put in a 3Gen Hemi since that video.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 19, 2016 - 08:03:37 pm
So is black suede your color?

No not really, but I like that car.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 21, 2016 - 08:56:58 pm
Alright boys and girls, time for an update. The biggest news is that I resigned from my job due to internal issues and am now trying to figure out what my next step will be, however in the interim I have decided to get paint on this car from hell or high water. I am working alone so it is slow going but I am making progress. That said, I have already accepted the fact that there will be issues and this paint will not be perfect, however it will be all one color and shiny and for me at this point in time that is enough. As some of you have seen, I started a thread in the body shop side and got a lot of exceptionally helpful advice from Cody and others. I am taking all of this advice to heart and trying to do as good job as I can given limited $$ and dare I say patience. I have a couple of small things to sort our and then I am pushing the car out of the shop, getting it as dust free as possible (as well as the shop), then bringing it back in to shoot it with polyester filler/primer. I will then began to block it out and see where I am. Once I get that as sorted as I can (or have patience for) I intend to seal it, scuff it and shoot it.

Here are some in progress pics.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on April 21, 2016 - 10:48:51 pm
Very cool. Go get em'.  I'm trying to keep up but falling behind.  Remember three beers first right? :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 21, 2016 - 11:34:23 pm
I don't think I could do 3 beers before painting the car; no telling where the paint would be or wouldn't be.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on April 22, 2016 - 07:09:11 am
I hear ya.  Best of luck on the paint. I'm looking forward to the pictures.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on April 22, 2016 - 08:33:54 am
Good luck man I am right there with you!! mine is getting another coat of epoxy to seal everything then the poly primer and blocking, and blocking, and blocking, and......well you get the picture. :lol2:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on April 22, 2016 - 12:37:03 pm
To start off best wishes on your next employment direction.
I did the same thing a few years ago. When decision was made it took 3 hours to back my stuff and 27 years was over.
Tough decisions made for the right reasons generally work out for the best. It did for me.

Now the car...
I am eagerly following your progress. Thru what you have posted and from the others that have answered many lingering questions I will be jumping in the same.

Looking good BTW.

Mike
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 22, 2016 - 12:48:52 pm
To start off best wishes on your next employment direction.
I did the same thing a few years ago. When decision was made it took 3 hours to back my stuff and 27 years was over.
Tough decisions made for the right reasons generally work out for the best. It did for me.

Now the car...
I am eagerly following your progress. Thru what you have posted and from the others that have answered many lingering questions I will be jumping in the same.

Looking good BTW.

Mike

Thank you for the prospective and kind words. It will be interesting to see where this ends up for sure.

As for the car, it is coming along albeit slowly. My next step is to shoot it with polyester filler and block it with 150. Fix whatever needs fixing and then shoot it with primer/filler and block again with 220 (hopefully don't have to fix anything there) and then seal it with Epoxy and then paint it. It should go better once I get through the blocking process but to be very honest, I am not looking for a full on show car result. I need to work within my time and budget. In the end it will be sublime and shiny and that is a step in the right direction. Some will say I should spend more time making sure everything is perfect and I will make it as "perfect" as I have time for.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mpdlawdog on April 22, 2016 - 03:29:56 pm
Very cool. Go get em'.  I'm trying to keep up but falling behind.  Remember three beers first right? :bigsmile:

you and me both!!!  Im trying to keep up with him and dave73chally...at least all they guys here doing body work has kept me motivated and Im learning a lot! 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on April 22, 2016 - 04:57:14 pm
Me too and at just the right time.  I was losing steam until I saw theirs and by the way yours also.  You're moving along nicely Mpdawdog. I'm trying not to get caught up in the speed but Like 70Chall440 perfection is becoming limited to my time and attention at this point.  I think that I've rebuilt this project twice with all the rework, but then again I'm learning along the way! :pullinghair:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 22, 2016 - 08:04:00 pm
Well I would to think that I have don't quite a lot of preparation to get to this point, I mean this isn't going to be a MACO job or anything, it just isn't going to be $100K show car job either. Worst case is that it will have paint on it and if need be I will repaint it at some point in the very distant future. I am not too worried about it actually, whatever I do will be better than where it is now. I painted my 70 Challenger next to my old house and while it is far from perfect, it never ceases to impress and get people to smile when they (and I) look at it. This Cuda will 100% better job in all respects from panel alignment, gaps, prep, etc.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 24, 2016 - 12:32:17 am
The struggle continues, today I finished up some small areas on the car with filler, sanded it with 80 grit and then went over it with 120, I then pulled it out to vacuum and blow the dust out of it as well as clean the shop. Put it back in and masked off the windows in preparation for some poly.

I also found yet another use for my fender/bumper stand..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on April 24, 2016 - 03:24:10 pm
WOW, its starting to look like a car again, maybe by the end of today it might be one shade of colour, light grey but its one shade, not long now.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 24, 2016 - 03:56:33 pm
I was planning on shooting it with polyester today, but it a bit cold and rainy, however I might and just let it sit for a few days.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on April 24, 2016 - 05:51:12 pm
I'm no painter but my thinking tells me apply it when the temps etc are within the manufacturers recommended window and I'd want to let it settle for a couple of days before you start blocking, these car shows on TV that seem to paint the car in 24 hours, I just can't help but think shrinkage will show in a month or so down the track, maybe I've got it all wrong with today's product :dunno:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 24, 2016 - 06:16:44 pm
There definitely have been improvements with the products, however in my case it isn't going to help as the temp is in the mid 50's and the humidity is 70%; neither of which are good for painting.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: roadman5312 on April 24, 2016 - 07:03:54 pm
I'm no painter but my thinking tells me apply it when the temps etc are within the manufacturers recommended window and I'd want to let it settle for a couple of days before you start blocking, these car shows on TV that seem to paint the car in 24 hours, I just can't help but think shrinkage will show in a month or so down the track, maybe I've got it all wrong with today's product :dunno:
                           Tom let the RT/SE sit and shrink 4 days. Then cut and buffed.  Been sitting in the hot trailer since Wed., we went in today, OHHHHHH THAT SMELL, CANT CANTCHA SMELL THAT SMELL.   :woohoo:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: usraptr on April 25, 2016 - 10:26:33 am
It's looking good.  :2thumbs:  Can't wait to see it with some color on it.  :ylsuper:
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Post by: 70chall440 on April 25, 2016 - 12:25:08 pm
It's looking good.  :2thumbs:  Can't wait to see it with some color on it.  :ylsuper:

Me too!!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on April 25, 2016 - 04:38:45 pm
I am hoping you get some warm weather! I want to see her get some sparkle. Looking good ! :ylsuper:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 25, 2016 - 09:52:38 pm
I am thinking Wednesday for the poly, then on to blocking.

I got my build books sorted out.

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Post by: crash340 on April 26, 2016 - 12:18:30 am
 :ylsuper: :2thumbs: very cool
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 26, 2016 - 12:37:50 am
Thanks. I got tired of papers shoved into folders everywhere. Still have a little work to do but I am over the hump on them.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on April 26, 2016 - 10:12:28 am
Cool idea on the build books.  If I was to do a set I would probably drop the receipts book as I really don't want to know how much money I am spending on my car.   :22yikes:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on April 26, 2016 - 10:41:30 am
Cool idea on the build books.  If I was to do a set I would probably drop the receipts book as I really don't want to know how much money I am spending on my car.   :22yikes:

I feel exactly the same, i started adding up receipts and had a panic attack, my wallet started crying!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 26, 2016 - 11:43:51 am
The idea of the books came from the Joe Rogan Cuda build book initially. I bought that book and read it and the idea of having my own (but much different) came about. The concept was/is to capture all of the instructions and relevant information for everything on the car so that I could find it when I need it. As a male, read instructions was never my strong suit, however over the years I have come to respect at least keeping them for reference latter...  :swaying:

With regards to the receipt book, it lets me figure out when and from whom I obtained something. If you don't want to know what you spent, don't add them up. I have a spreadsheet for this purpose and know exactly what I have spent. It doesn't bother me at all as I am not building this car to resell. I know if I ever did I wouldn't get near what I have spent on it, however all of these books and the spreadsheet will allow me to not only tell the story to a prospective buyer but prove it. They may not care, but I would if I was buying. Same reason people like the original build sheets for the vehicles and it indicates what the vehicle was built with.

Another aspect of the receipts is the warranties where applicable. I found several that may come in handy.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 28, 2016 - 10:56:30 pm
Still waiting on the weather to spray poly, thought it would be today, but it only made it to 58. Tomorrow is supposed to me about the same but Saturday it is suppose to be 70 and getting warmer after that, so it looks like this will be the day.

In the mean time I have been doing some other things, one thing that I have been thinking about is a hinge strut as the trampoline springs are pretty light and any amount of wind will close the hood. I have seen at least one version of a strut on here which was a U shaped wire; while effective not overly ascetic.... Therefore I decided to build one today, basically this is just a cheap aluminum turn buckle I got at a local hardware store, I want to say it is 8", however I needed 8.25 to 8.5 (depending on how high the hood is lifted. A little heat, some bending, a little cutting, some heat shrink, wire and hitch clips and BAM!!!  :bigsmile: Since I know how much you guys love pictures, here you are.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 28, 2016 - 10:57:18 pm
sorry about the orientation, windows 10 SUCKS...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 28, 2016 - 11:49:48 pm
Nice alternative! I like it naked with out the wrap, but that's just me :dunno:
Hey hey hey, why's that yellow jack out of place?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 29, 2016 - 12:01:27 am
Yeah I liked it without the heat shrink as well, but after bumping it one and thinking about new paint, it got wrapped...

Damn, you caught me... I will get that jack put away immediately...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 29, 2016 - 12:49:39 am
Yeah I liked it without the heat shrink as well, but after bumping it one and thinking about new paint, it got wrapped...

Damn, you caught me... I will get that jack put away immediately...
Strike 1
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 29, 2016 - 01:02:15 am
ok, I will need to invoke my 5th amendment rights to self incrimination... no more pics...  :stomp:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Mpdlawdog on April 29, 2016 - 09:01:02 am
 :thumbsup:  great idea..added to my list of things to do...I have a TA hood and am not running any springs...this will work great!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 29, 2016 - 11:49:51 am
Exactly why I made it, my AAR hood will stay open with the trampoline springs but just barely.. In fact, if the hinges are not adjust just right, the hood will not stay open. Therefore I can only imagine it slamming down when I least expect it and at a minimum pissing me off, at the worst damaging it. I wanted something that didn't look too bad and came up with this. Not sure if I will keep the heat shrink on it, but I need a method to connect the wire with the clips to it so I don't lose them; plus the heat shrink does provide some paint protection so there is that.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on April 29, 2016 - 04:42:32 pm
Exactly why I made it, my AAR hood will stay open with the trampoline springs but just barely.. In fact, if the hinges are not adjust just right, the hood will not stay open. Therefore I can only imagine it slamming down when I least expect it and at a minimum pissing me off, at the worst damaging it. I wanted something that didn't look too bad and came up with this. Not sure if I will keep the heat shrink on it, but I need a method to connect the wire with the clips to it so I don't lose them; plus the heat shrink does provide some paint protection so there is that.
Have only heard of springs which are made for the Fiberglas hoods from suppliers like year one. Never thought of trampoline springs, good thinking. As far as tension is there another soft spring you could slide inside or a lager spring to go over the trampoline spring?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 29, 2016 - 05:21:54 pm
I was originally going to go with the AAR springs, however given the cost and potential for long term damage to the hood, I went with the trampoline springs. Another member on here is running them and mentioned them (brad70 perhaps). I found a place online where I could order only 2, I think I got ones that were/are 9" long. They provide just enough tension to hold the hood open normally, but are on the light side. Perhaps 8.5" would be a little better. These springs are like $5 each so you can play around. Not any room inside them for another spring however.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Brillo1974 on April 30, 2016 - 10:13:41 am
Any color yet?  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 30, 2016 - 11:24:56 am
unfortunately not, the weather has not been cooperating. I intend on shooting the first coat of polyester filler today, then block and see where I am. Perhaps a second coat and block then on to primer/filler, another sanding and then epoxy followed by color. If the weather holds up, perhaps in the not too distant future.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on May 01, 2016 - 10:06:34 am
The weather is impacting the east coast as well.  I had a great 68 degree day yesterday but could not quite get my paint booth and final preparations ready.  Now it is 52 degrees with high chance of rain.  Aargh! Another weekend delayed but I can work on other smaller parts so still moving forward. :violin:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 01, 2016 - 11:44:38 am
Well, it took all day but I was finally able to get the poly sprayed onto the car. I am going to let it sit for some time before I begin blocking. On the one hand, it is the first time this car has been all one color for many years and standing back it looks good. On the other hand, I can now see several problem areas that I am not real sure how to contend with.

Spraying the poly was an adventure to say the least. I had some reduced the poly by 10% with acetone and it did shoot pretty well, but it shot pretty fast and didn't seem to cover all that well. I gave it about 3 coats or so and used up most of the gallon. The last quart I didn't reduce and it definitely covered better (read thicker). I was using a gun with a 2.0 tip and to be honest, I don't think I needed to reduce it. I also had an issue with a air hose coming about which subsequently blew some dirt onto the primer but since I have to block it out, it isn't an issue.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on May 01, 2016 - 12:57:24 pm
Nice productive day.....feels good when after all your hard work, something finally looks different. :smoking

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 01, 2016 - 01:13:00 pm
I agree, however now I can see all of the issue...  :stomp: But it is progress nonetheless.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on May 01, 2016 - 01:16:52 pm
Haha, been there......but then again, that's the fun of the whole thing, getting it right for you. Carry on

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on May 01, 2016 - 02:29:54 pm
Congrats. :woo:  It's another leg of the journey and great to see one color to pull it all together.  Based on what you've accomplished to date, the list is probably getting shorter so you can steadily knock them off.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 01, 2016 - 04:37:21 pm
Looks good from here!, good work Mike. by the time the green goes on you will have it worked out.
are the problems in the panel fit or straightness?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 01, 2016 - 07:08:34 pm
Excellent! Bonus points!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 01, 2016 - 08:56:53 pm
Looks good from here!, good work Mike. by the time the green goes on you will have it worked out.
are the problems in the panel fit or straightness?

it will be as straight as it is going to get for me...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on May 01, 2016 - 10:13:27 pm
Keep us the good work!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 01, 2016 - 11:36:29 pm
I am now trying to figure out what to do with the results of my sanding. I have some low spots and some high spots. Obviously I need to fill the low spots with something and deal with the high spots with a hammer and dolly. An example of my quandary is this; I have a low spot around a marker light, however the panel above it is flat. So do I scuff it up and fill the low spot with body filler (I think it is too deep for glazing putty). I am thinking this is what I should be doing, but am not 100% sure. Also, in the process of blocking, I have burned through the poly is a few spots which I believe will be covered by the 2K urethane primer/filler (followed by the epoxy), however again I am not overly confident at this point.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: IMNCARN82 on May 02, 2016 - 12:51:54 am
Guide coat might help you really see what's going on.  It shows everything.   I use rage extreme for filler on larger stuff.  And then I really like the easy sand from Evercoat from there.  it feathers exceptionally well.  I use it a lot.     2K primers can fill a lot af subtle stuff too just by building it up in one spot.  got a little pink hair dryer to keep it from sagging if you go at it too much.    Not all sand paper is the same either.  I find the colored stuff from HD works real good. Non slip back and it doesn't gum up as easy.  Clean the dust off your blocks if it gets built up with some scotchbrite, Which works well for real curvy areas too. 

Keep at it.  Seeing good progress!!  I know it's tough by yourself.      Where u at ?

R/T

Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 02, 2016 - 01:08:54 am
Guide coat might help you really see what's going on.  It shows everything.   I use rage extreme for filler on larger stuff.  And then I really like the easy sand from Evercoat from there.  it feathers exceptionally well.  I use it a lot.     2K primers can fill a lot af subtle stuff too just by building it up in one spot.  got a little pink hair dryer to keep it from sagging if you go at it too much.    Not all sand paper is the same either.  I find the colored stuff from HD works real good. Non slip back and it doesn't gum up as easy.  Clean the dust off your blocks if it gets built up with some scotchbrite, Which works well for real curvy areas too. 

Keep at it.  Seeing good progress!!  I know it's tough by yourself.      Where u at ?

R/T

I am in Western Washington (near Olympia). My real question is if I should buy more polyester primer or move along, fix what needs fixing and them move on to the 2K urethane. My hesitation is that I am going to waste the 2K or end up accepting something that I shouldn't. Overall, the car is blocking out but I feel that I would get it smooth/straight enough for the 2K. I have 1 qt left of the poly which might be enough for the problem areas only (shoots pretty fast with a 2.0 tip). I don't really want to buy another gal or even a qt because it takes over a week to get here (hasmat...). I am pretty confident I can get it smooth but then again I thought it was pretty good before I primed it yesterday... just saying.

Appreciate the advice/comment. I have a plethora of sanding blocks/boards and enough paper to get it done, its the primer that I am wondering about. Perhaps another way to state it is that if I fill a low spot and try and get it down I am going to end up taking off any poly near it, now I have different levels of filler/material and need a way to build it back up and then re-block it smooth. This tells me I need more poly, so therefore I am going to have to reprime at least that area or am I suppose to block it all out, fix all of the areas, then reprime the whole car and start over? if this is the case, then I need to order more poly. I will if I have to as this is going to be the foundation for the top coat so in my mind it needs to be as good as I can get it now, just am not 100% sure of the finer details here.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 02, 2016 - 01:11:07 am
Oh and for the record I am using guide coat, pretty much everywhere.

On a related subject, how the hell are you suppose to not burn through the style lines and edges? about 2 strokes with sand paper and you are at bare metal.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: IMNCARN82 on May 02, 2016 - 06:50:12 pm
I do all my filler work in the 2K high build.  When you sand filler start by cross sanding from the center out feathering the edges some first.   Then deck it.   You read the filler like a book. Start where it's thickest.   You need to fill well beyond what you think it would take most of the time.    When I have problems,I'm not going big enough most of the time.     Then you get a low all around.     In the end it's almost better to just skim the whole dang thing. 

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on May 02, 2016 - 07:13:15 pm
I agree, Pull all the low spots out as close to level as possible then skim the whole dang thing.
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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 02, 2016 - 07:46:08 pm
Thanks for the information. I have been block, filling, sanding, blocking and filling all day; have about 1/2 the car done (probably less actually). The "concept" I have arrived at is that I am filling all the low spots, bringing them down as level as possible. I have has a few high spots which I tapped down and then skim coated over. Speaking of that, by the time I am done I will have skim coated a good portion of the car, however I was thinking the poly would do some of that. Regardless, this is where I am and how I am proceeding. My one question/problem is that after I fill an area and knock it down, I am not real sure it is level or will not look bad/weird once I put 2K and paint on it. I don't really want to have to continue to fill and such with the 2K; perhaps a small pin hole or something but I should not be filling at that point (at least in my mind, that is how I see it). I certainly could but to my mind it should be about ready or very close.

On a positive note, the poly sands really well and blocks out nicely. In hind sight I am thinking I should have done the 2K, then did all of the filling, then the poly and blocking followed by epoxy and top coat. Too late now, I am on a path. I think it will come out ok (at least I hope so), its just in the current state I am seeing every imperfection.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 03, 2016 - 12:23:48 am
Well today was an exercise in frustration. Sand, fill, sand, fill, etc. Then I began having issues on the trunk lid where when I broker through the poly the edges were chipping and would not feather out. I have kind of figured that I am going to have to reshoot it in poly and block it all out again which means I have to order more poly. The local O'Reillys has some surfacer but I am concerned about it not playing well with what I have on the car already. This body work/paint stuff sucks...  :swear:

I have an issue with the passenger side fender, I welded up the antenna hole and evidentially put too much heat into it. I have been pounding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding, etc. and I am still not real happy with it. Here is a pic, not sure if you can see the issues or not. Regardless, if I paint over it, it will definitely show up. That said, they will be satin black which probably makes it even worse.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 03, 2016 - 12:44:16 am
What was your original goal or intent?
Do you want a trailer queen or a road race Cuda?
Are you going to spend hours cleaning it, then guarding it at car shows?
Are you going to spend hours driving auto cross?
Hard to see any imperfections when your drifting around a corner and the tires are smoking.
Do your best and let it go, just my opinion.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 03, 2016 - 12:54:36 am
See, that is why I come here, prospective!!! Exactly what I needed, THANKS...

That is why I think I stayed away from body and paint, I am too OCD on it and don't have the experience to do it quickly and efficiently. I can muddle my way through but in the end, someone who does it a lot would be a lot quicker.

I am going to keep blocking until it is finished and then shoot it with the 2K, scuff that up and onto epoxy and then color.. it will be what it will be..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on May 03, 2016 - 07:04:37 am
I've not done body work to the level of blocking an entire car but I feel your pain with the little work I have done.  There is an eye and technique the professionals have for sure.  You've done great this far and I suspect that this will click and work out better than you're thinking.  We are our own best critics right? Hang in there.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dave73chally on May 03, 2016 - 07:37:36 am
I just went down your road. I wanted it perfect and started spending way too much time on it. My intention was always a driver that I can drive the wheels off of and I was getting carried away. I got to the point where I figured that if I kept down that road I wouldn't be driving it this summer. It was straight enough and I just shot it. The paint didn't come out perfect but it's ok for what I want now. It's a solid 10 footer, get closer and you'll see imperfections. But I'm sure within a few months there will be rock chips and what not. For now it's all one color and will buy me a few years until I can afford to pay a professional to paint it...

Get it close, shoot and enjoy it. If you're going to drive it and drive it hard, it's going to get it's fair share of road rash eventually...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on May 03, 2016 - 09:29:01 am
I hate painting anything ,, everything no matter how it is prepped ends up with fisheyes
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 03, 2016 - 09:48:31 am
I really appreciate the encouragement and support. I will continue to push forward and we will see how it comes out. I will give an update as I move on.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on May 03, 2016 - 06:41:45 pm
Quote
What was your original goal or intent?
Do you want a trailer queen or a road race Cuda?
Are you going to spend hours cleaning it, then guarding it at car shows?
Are you going to spend hours driving auto cross?
Hard to see any imperfections when your drifting around a corner and the tires are smoking.
Do your best and let it go, just my opinion.

My sentiments exactly.  I'm over the car show glitz, primp, and polish.  Sure it looks great, but I am not enjoying DRIVING the car.  I want something I don't have to worry about chips, dents, or scuffs.   :burnout:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 03, 2016 - 11:37:40 pm
Yea I am not much into car shows, they have their place and I do enjoy going to them so long as there is a swap meet. I will only put a car in one when there is a swap meet and/or I am hanging out with someone I know; this is a very rare situation. Normally, I go to the show, hit the swap area, make a quick pass around the cars and I am out.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 04, 2016 - 12:32:14 am
Ok, need some advice here, I have 3 qts of 2k urethane primer and 1 gallon of paint. I am thinking I need more primer and wondering if anyone has a comment about this situation. The plan is to shoot the urethane, then feather it out and then shoot epoxy over the whole car before paint. I have to prime the car, door jams, inner doors, valances and hood. I was thinking of shooting some in the trunks as well, but now I am thinking I am going to be short. The epoxy makes about 2 gallons once mixed so I am not too worried about that. Also, I have to paint all of the same items plus the bumpers and hood hinges but not the hood.

Thoughts??
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: IMNCARN82 on May 04, 2016 - 01:07:01 am
Not sure what you're asking.    Sounds like you're not sure if you have enough primer.   Under the situation do the big stuff first. Then run out in the jambs.  The sealer will cover. it's real thin. Pulls tight.    Then wet on wet right to color.     Lime green?  Single stage?   


wet on wet means if you shoot paint over the sealer within a certain time you don't have to sand.  A molecular bond.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 04, 2016 - 10:10:17 am
Sorry, that is exactly what I was asking along with whether or not 1 gal of paint is going to be enough. That said, I just found out that Eastwood no longer makes the lime green paint I have to make a decision; use what I have and hope it gets it done or source another brand of lime green. My concern is that if I run out another brand may not match. Pisses me off a little that Eastwood discontinued it right after I ordered it. If I can find another gallon of it, I will be good but my searches haven't found any.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 04, 2016 - 03:48:16 pm
What are you working with, base coat/clear coat, or single stage?  if it's single stage is it acrylic enamel, or urethane.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 04, 2016 - 03:52:26 pm
Sorry, that is exactly what I was asking along with whether or not 1 gal of paint is going to be enough. That said, I just found out that Eastwood no longer makes the lime green paint I have to make a decision; use what I have and hope it gets it done or source another brand of lime green. My concern is that if I run out another brand may not match. Pisses me off a little that Eastwood discontinued it right after I ordered it. If I can find another gallon of it, I will be good but my searches haven't found any.
I did see an Eastwood supplier in the UK, I've bought from there no problems. Someone's got to have a gallon of what you need.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 04, 2016 - 04:31:48 pm
You would think so but I contacted Eastwood and they tried to sell me some Euro green instead saying the lime was discontinued and they had no idea if there were in in the market place. That said, I have already moved on and order 2 gallons of a lime green from someone else.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 04, 2016 - 04:57:12 pm
a little change (yet related) topic; I am thinking about painting my bumpers with lime green plasti dip (yes they have it) verses body paint as I think it would be more durable. I am thinking it might make them almost look like rubber bumpers to a degree as well (not that I am after that look per se, but just saying).

http://www.amazon.com/Pack-Purpose-Coating-Classic-Sublime/dp/B010325HV6?ie=UTF8&dpID=51P%2B1klO8dL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_SL500_SR160%2C160_&refRID=WP2APAPHNS6RTMEP5JF8&ref_=pd_lutyp_simh_1_5 (http://www.amazon.com/Pack-Purpose-Coating-Classic-Sublime/dp/B010325HV6?ie=UTF8&dpID=51P%2B1klO8dL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_SL500_SR160%2C160_&refRID=WP2APAPHNS6RTMEP5JF8&ref_=pd_lutyp_simh_1_5)

Thoughts, comments?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: IMNCARN82 on May 04, 2016 - 06:55:53 pm
Plasti-dip is a temporary remove-able paint.  Peels off like tape.  I wouldn't recommend it for bumpers.  :2cents:  R/T
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on May 04, 2016 - 09:13:52 pm
Could you use a POR product as a base and then topcoat?   The standard POR product I've used seemed like plastic when it dried.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 04, 2016 - 10:16:54 pm
I plastidipped my chrome bumpers, just whiped them down with acetone first, did not scuff the chrome, sprayed them, been like that for more than 6 months, no issues
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 05, 2016 - 12:10:27 am
The new "flex" spray paint is temporary, however I believe plasti dip is designed to be more durable (it is marketed to dip tools in). Not arguing but I have used the black version for battery boxes and other places and never thought it was temporary or not durable.

My bumpers are ground down (removed the shiny chrome) and then primed with 2K, then primed with poly surfacer (seemed like a good idea at the time). I guess I can try it and if I don't like it, I can strip them and repaint them.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 06, 2016 - 01:08:36 pm
Time for an update.

Got all of the poly blocked out, shot the last of it on the problem areas and will reblock those areas out today. Hopefully I can shoot the 2K today or tomorrow. I am waiting on 2 gallons of TCP Global paint which I should have next week, then I will shoot the sealer and the paint. It is moving a little slow due to weather and availably of components (should have planned better). I would post some pictures but there isn't much to show, when I get the 2K on I will post a pic.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on May 06, 2016 - 05:03:05 pm
 :useless:


Ha ha  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 06, 2016 - 05:10:58 pm
Fine...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 07, 2016 - 06:27:51 pm
Update: Got the car blocked out and today shot high build 2K urethane primer on it. I was having some issues with the gun which I am not impressed with (HF "professional" gun). It seemed to get better but still not great. It may have been too small of a tip (1.4) because once I reduced it a little it seemed to flow much better. I will now block it out with 220 and then 320, then on to sealer and then paint.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 07, 2016 - 07:03:33 pm
 :ylsuper:
hows the fender top looking now, around the old antenna hole, comeing out ok?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 07, 2016 - 07:14:43 pm
Yea I think I beat (filled) it to death. I don't know that it is dead flat but close enough...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 08, 2016 - 02:22:46 pm
Yea I think I beat (filled) it to death. I don't know that it is dead flat but close enough...
  SEM guide coat in A rattle can, then block it out. :2cents: :working:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on May 08, 2016 - 08:44:18 pm
Looking good man! And :lol: you got ahead of me again!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 08, 2016 - 10:50:09 pm
  SEM guide coat in A rattle can, then block it out. :2cents: :working:

Believe me, I have repeatedly. I think it is good.

I am sanding the high build 2K now, very delicate stuff it would appear.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 08, 2016 - 10:51:08 pm
Looking good man! And :lol: you got ahead of me again!

Thanks, I happen to get some good weather which helped greatly.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 09, 2016 - 12:53:24 am
So, I figured out today that I mixed my 2K light on hardener, it dried ok but really pisses me off. So anyway, I have decided to finish blocking it out with 220, then reshooting the car (with the right mix ratio) and blocking it out again with 220, then 320.

It never ends...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 09, 2016 - 06:35:13 am
Mate, dont be doin that!!!! you got 21 days to get it into color :bigsmile: hurry up!!! :stirpot:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 09, 2016 - 10:26:36 am
Mate, dont be doin that!!!! you got 21 days to get it into color :bigsmile: hurry up!!! :stirpot:

I assume you mean don't be screwing up... well crap happens, so it is what it is. I don't think it is an issue, should be corrected by tomorrow. Still don't have the paint so I can put color on it anyway.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 09, 2016 - 11:51:34 am
You should be ok, that is better then going with to much hardener.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 09, 2016 - 11:55:34 am
I added 1/2 -3/4 the right amount, for some reason the lines on the mixing cup confused me temporarily... Regardless, it dried and actually sands really well (a little too well as it is easy to burn through with 220). If the temp gets up today I will reshoot it with the right mix and block it again.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 09, 2016 - 01:25:46 pm
Don't be afraid to put 3 or 4 good coat's on it. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 09, 2016 - 01:52:45 pm
I wont  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 09, 2016 - 10:59:51 pm
I shot up all of my 2K Urethane today, got approximately 2 more coats on the car (yes it was mixed correctly this time). It turned out pretty well, I am happy with it. Tomorrow, more block sanding... Then on to the sealer and then PAINT!!!!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 10, 2016 - 01:11:41 am
Just ordered a new paint gun, haven't come this far to chance the job (plus I wanted one...). I ordered a Devibliss Finishline with 3 tips.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on May 10, 2016 - 06:22:26 pm
Lookin great man. I didn't get to do anything today, got called in to work!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: roadman5312 on May 10, 2016 - 06:31:18 pm
Lookin great man. I didn't get to do anything today, got called in to work!
                            Jack, sent e mail with pics.   :rebel:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 10, 2016 - 08:11:07 pm
Thanks all. I am in a slight hurry to get this done as next week I am going to visit a company who is offering me a job (which I intend to take at this point); then I will be back working and will not have the time necessary to get this car painted. If I have paint on it, I can let it sit and cure, then perhaps wet sand and buff, then begin to put it together.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 10, 2016 - 11:55:06 pm
I sanded the car completely today/tonight with 220 and then 320. It is kind of hard to know when it is sanded enough. The car is very smooth and looks pretty good so I guess I will see when I get the sealer and paint on.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 11, 2016 - 12:55:56 pm
Guide coat, when it's gone it's sanded enough. :bigsmile: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 11, 2016 - 01:08:05 pm
Well I used guide coat for the first blocking and it went pretty well. I didn't use it for the 320 sanding however. Guess I will see what I get. Just got my new Devilbiss finishline gun, trying to decide which tip to use; 1.3 or a 1.5.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 11, 2016 - 04:07:43 pm
I use the 1.3 tip. :working:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 11, 2016 - 04:10:48 pm
I am going to try the 1.5 with the sealer and see what I get. When I go to top coat I will try out the 1.5 and the 1.3 and see which one I like better.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on May 11, 2016 - 05:31:32 pm
just an idea but pull the valences of spray them with the 2 different tips and see which works better.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 11, 2016 - 06:38:19 pm
That is my plan as I have them mounted on a stand off the vehicle. Just finished applying the sealer; nasty stuff that!! Still learning the gun and such but it is going to be another color soon regardless.  :bigsmile: Yes, I fully admit I am accepting less than perfection, however it is what it is. Overall I think it will be ok, but time will tell. Pictures coming soon...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 12, 2016 - 12:17:12 am
Drum roll please..... IT IS GREEN!!!!!

Spent 10 hours working on it today. Put 4 coats on it, got some dust and a couple of bugs but I think it will buff out, if not oh well. At least it is one color...

I used a gallon on it and still have another just in case. Got 1 run on the rear bumper but I can cut and buff it out I think, if not I will repaint it. Next step will be to either cut and buff the green or move on and paint the black on the hood, fenders, taillight panel.

Here are the pics..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on May 12, 2016 - 12:28:55 am
👍 very nice....you should feel great about it, you really stuck with it and got it green. It looks great and keep the pictures coming. 😃


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 12, 2016 - 12:59:36 am
Thanks, I am happy I got color on it; one more milestone..  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on May 12, 2016 - 03:38:10 am
Nice!  :clapping:  That must feel good!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on May 12, 2016 - 06:55:32 am
Yabba dabba do :swaying: :jumping: :crazy:; it looks great and the accomplishment must feel even better.  Way to stick with it. I'm struggling on painting my under body so I can't imagine the huge milestone you just crossed.  More pics please when convenient.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 12, 2016 - 06:57:02 am
 :wow: :clapping: :woo: :2thumbs:

Good job mate, I think I land in seattle around 1pm on the 1st, head out on sat morning so you have me for two and a bit days mate, see you soon after that, figure out what you need a hand with to get ahead
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: GranCuda1970 on May 12, 2016 - 07:21:24 am
Looks great!! I need to do this after a 1/4 panel replacement.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Brillo1974 on May 12, 2016 - 08:18:40 am
Looks great and it's about damn time.  :bigsmile: Good choice on the paint gun I have one I bought quite a few years ago and love it! Too bad you aren't closer I would come over and help get it cut and buffed if you supply the beer of course.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on May 12, 2016 - 09:54:55 am
Good for you!!! it's down hill from here. :2thumbs: :working:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dfrazz on May 12, 2016 - 10:03:19 am
Looks beautiful!  Congrats!!    :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 12, 2016 - 10:25:45 am
Thanks all, it definitely feels good to get to this point. I still need to paint the black, but that is pretty minor is comparison.

Crash340 - I will see you when you get here.

Brillo1974 - no worries, I know you will be with me in spirit (costs less beer that way  ;D) That Finishline gun works really well. I also used a cheap (HF) detail gun in the trunk, It is pretty cheap but works really well.

It will be interesting to see the difference when I unmask the engine compartment (after spraying the black). I used some authentic/correct mopar sublime in the engine compartment which I think is a little creamier than what I just sprayed. Worst cast I can reshoot the engine compartment, but I am thinking with the black fenders and such that the engine compartment will essentially stand on its own.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 12, 2016 - 10:47:22 am
Nice! That's gotta feel good! Yeah baby! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: GranCuda1970 on May 12, 2016 - 10:49:19 am
The Drool Flows onto the Keyboard!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 12, 2016 - 11:23:33 am
Just went out and looked at again, overall it turned out pretty good. I think I am going to let it sit for awhile before I attempt to cut and buff it. I will cut it (wet sand) before spraying the black.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 12, 2016 - 07:00:48 pm
Anyone have advice on where to get weather stripping and window sweeps. I googled them and there are a variety of sources, just wondering if anyone has any placed to or not to go.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on May 12, 2016 - 07:45:18 pm
That green, and black highlights were just meant for each other!   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on May 12, 2016 - 08:33:09 pm
I just viewed the pictures again.  Did anyone else notice the lights from heaven above shining on this rebirth?  I'm looking forward to watching your next stage.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 12, 2016 - 09:47:26 pm
I just viewed the pictures again.  Did anyone else notice the lights from heaven above shining on this rebirth?  I'm looking forward to watching your next stage.

 :2thumbs: :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: loco340cuda on May 14, 2016 - 01:56:00 pm
Awesome job on the body work and paint!  I wish I had the skills and patients to pull something like that off.   :worshippy:  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on May 14, 2016 - 02:06:44 pm
Anyone have advice on where to get weather stripping and window sweeps. I googled them and there are a variety of sources, just wondering if anyone has any placed to or not to go.
Looking good from here.  :canada:  lol
 :2thumbs: :2thumbs:

I used Metro brand weatherstripping and like it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 14, 2016 - 02:42:49 pm
Thanks all

I am looking at the metro site, looks like ok stuff.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 14, 2016 - 07:09:06 pm
Mike, door rubbers that are on the gutter strip, for glass seal, research this, I think I have metro but they don't fit like the originals, the originals pressed into the gutter trim, metro have to be glued on and they don't fit well, I've not used mine BUT , someone on here has been down this path before, I'm kinda flat out at present but need to search it, someone else might chime in, Metro are good but for some reason the 72-74 Cuda rubbers are odd
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 14, 2016 - 07:20:50 pm
Thanks Greg. I haven't bought anything yet, I need weathers stripping, all the rubber bumpers (hood, trunk, etc). I am also going to get all new door hardware, window felts and I am sure many other things along the way.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: usraptr on May 27, 2016 - 04:09:10 pm
Just catching up on the CC restoration threads.  Your paint looks great!  :2thumbs: I also recently bought a DeVilbiss Finish Line paint gun but so far haven't painted anything except accessories!  I hope my body paint work comes out as nice as yours when I get brave enough to try it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 27, 2016 - 11:22:07 pm
Thanks, start small and stay focused. The hardest part is understanding how what you do will look when finished. Therefore, focus on a small area and use some cheap spray paint to get an idea or better yet get some primer  from eBay or the local auto parts store and spray it with your new gun. You don't have to paint he whole thing, just enough to give you and idea of your body work.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 28, 2016 - 12:50:37 pm
Mike, door rubbers that are on the gutter strip, for glass seal, research this, I think I have metro but they don't fit like the originals, the originals pressed into the gutter trim, metro have to be glued on and they don't fit well, I've not used mine BUT , someone on here has been down this path before, I'm kinda flat out at present but need to search it, someone else might chime in, Metro are good but for some reason the 72-74 Cuda rubbers are odd

Just got the window sweeps and weather stripping from Roseville, the sweeps are Tops and the weather stripping is Super soft. Not sure how it will fit, but I am sure I will find out. It looks good, but the proof is in the installation
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 28, 2016 - 08:10:38 pm
How does the roof rail seals fit into the stainless gutter trims??
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 29, 2016 - 12:24:22 am
it is supposed to ne held in with each side fitting into the groove, but I need to see if it actually does.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on May 29, 2016 - 05:40:09 pm
it is supposed to ne held in with each side fitting into the groove, but I need to see if it actually does.

Go ahead and try it out. We will just sit here and wait.
 :poopoke:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on May 29, 2016 - 05:48:27 pm
 :popcorn:
Might as well have some popcorn while we wait.... :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 29, 2016 - 05:49:44 pm
 :roflsmiley: :roflsmiley: :poopoke: :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 29, 2016 - 10:55:56 pm
Might be waiting awhile...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 29, 2016 - 10:59:41 pm
Might be waiting awhile...
Do you have a link to your shop live cam?  :poopoke:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 29, 2016 - 11:31:25 pm
LOL that wouldn't be pretty :)

So on a related yet different subject, I am looking over the Dakota gauge cluster; now to put this into prospective, I already built one cluster with auto meter gauges, then changed my mind an bought about $900 in Speed hut gauges; so I can

A) keep what I have and make them work as intended (build a new mounting platform for them or
B) sell all of what I have and buy the Dakota set up

Now option B would be easier but to be honest I am not real excited about the gauge faces and less so about the color of the illumination (white, blue or red). Nothing against them at all, however for what I am doing I really prefer the speed hut design, however making a new mounting plate for them is going to take some effort. As I type this out I think I am leaning back to option A....
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 29, 2016 - 11:50:32 pm
Decisions like this that make it hard because you're going to be looking at these gauges every time you drive.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 29, 2016 - 11:59:40 pm
Exactly! I am going to try and work with the Speedhut gauges as I prefer their look and the fact that they have the green illumination I prefer. It is going to be a bit of work but what hasn't been with this car yet.. :). I do like the "drop in" aspect of the Dakota set up but since as you point out I will be looking at them all the time I think I will prefer the SH ones. Another aspect of the Dakota set up I am less than excited about is that it is a whole unit whereas the SH gauges are individual, so if I need to change one for some reason I can do that.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 30, 2016 - 12:12:15 am
Exactly! I am going to try and work with the Speedhut gauges as I prefer their look and the fact that they have the green illumination I prefer. It is going to be a bit of work but what hasn't been with this car yet.. :). I do like the "drop in" aspect of the Dakota set up but since as you point out I will be looking at them all the time I think I will prefer the SH ones. Another aspect of the Dakota set up I am less than excited about is that it is a whole unit whereas the SH gauges are individual, so if I need to change one for some reason I can do that.
I'll watch you, if you do a good job I'll send you mine to change out.  :stirpot:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on May 30, 2016 - 12:14:34 am
Yea on decisions...
I am partially along on one for mine and as I have seen all these iterations from cc members I cannot decide to drive forward as initially intended or toss it.



And BTW still  :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 30, 2016 - 12:29:05 am
As soon as I can get the engine compartment painted, the black painted on the fenders, hood and spoiler, and the car color sanded and polished, I will work on the gauges. I will post some pics of course..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 30, 2016 - 12:54:00 am
As soon as I can get the engine compartment painted, the black painted on the fenders, hood and spoiler, and the car color sanded and polished, I will work on the gauges. I will post some pics of course..
Ok so this Tuesday, Wednesday?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 30, 2016 - 11:04:14 am
for posting some pics perhaps....  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on May 30, 2016 - 11:52:03 am
No pressure..........

But I'm getting fat on the popcorn. Should ask for less butter...... :popcorn: :popcorn:



Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on May 30, 2016 - 12:28:27 pm
No pressure..........

But I'm getting fat on the popcorn. Should ask for less butter...... :popcorn: :popcorn:
All that popcorn is making me thirsty this guy needs a soda and so do I, better make it a diet soda.
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: CUDA JAS on May 30, 2016 - 01:16:28 pm
LOL that wouldn't be pretty :)

So on a related yet different subject, I am looking over the Dakota gauge cluster; now to put this into prospective, I already built one cluster with auto meter gauges, then changed my mind an bought about $900 in Speed hut gauges; so I can

A) keep what I have and make them work as intended (build a new mounting platform for them or
B) sell all of what I have and buy the Dakota set up

Now option B would be easier but to be honest I am not real excited about the gauge faces and less so about the color of the illumination (white, blue or red). Nothing against them at all, however for what I am doing I really prefer the speed hut design, however making a new mounting plate for them is going to take some effort. As I type this out I think I am leaning back to option A....

I like option A, not sure what the speed hut gauges you have look like, but knowing what the Dakota ones look like...option A.

I think Dakota missed the mark on the gauge faces. They just do nothing for me. Cant place it but they just look off.  It would have served them well to have several options for the gauge faces.

Jason
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 30, 2016 - 06:27:32 pm
Ive just emailed DD asking if they had any intention of options down the track, they dont have any gauge sets available at present as they only did a pilot run, I think whats missing is red needles, maybe some red numbers on the Tach redline etc, Ive asked them if thats possible, stay tuned.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 30, 2016 - 11:11:46 pm
As for the DD gauges, my opinion is they look too much like a Chebbie gauge... think Camero or Chevelle.

In reference to the popcorn and such, here are some pics, got the engine bay painted. Not sure why, but I was angry all day. Not really at the car per se, but just it seemed like everything pissed me off. Despite that, I got the engine bay painted along with some other smaller things that were a little light. Hopefully tomorrow I can get the black going so I can get past paint and on to color sanding and buffing then on to assembly.

Here are before and after pics just to keep your attention...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on May 31, 2016 - 02:50:55 am
 :ylsuper: :cooldancing: Good job Mike, I can almost hear it running!!!!!

Yeah, the DD gauge look is a little 'bland' as such, however, I think with red needles and a better stencil on the numbering to look more like a period correct Mopar would be icing on the cake,,,,,, what Im interested in mostly is what the gauge set offers,,,, elapsed times, warnings for presure and temps, shiftlight outputs, easy add-ons for such things as trans temps, head temps, AFR and so on,,,, all of which require add on gauges normally. Hell, even a good shift light is a couple hundered bucks, with this one, id wire the indicator lights and high beam to the gauge and the three original light pods in the dash would be wired togeather to all come on as a shift light!!!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 31, 2016 - 02:44:31 pm
Definitely the advantage of going with SH because you can get all of that plus a custom layout. Its the mounting issue that of course is a problem, but I am pretty sure I can come up with something.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dave73chally on May 31, 2016 - 02:56:50 pm
Definitely the advantage of going with SH because you can get all of that plus a custom layout. Its the mounting issue that of course is a problem, but I am pretty sure I can come up with something.

What size speedhut gauges did you order and what type of dash do you have? Standard or rallye. I have a standard dash with speedhut gauges started assembly this past weekend. I am having trim rings 3D printed based on another member's design on here
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on May 31, 2016 - 03:32:57 pm
I have 4" gauges and am building a rallye cluster.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 01, 2016 - 12:20:12 am
Got the underside of the hood painted, getting the fenders ready now. I have a little dilemma that I am trying to decide how to proceed; with the underside of the hood painted, I am concerned that when I flip it over to paint the top, I am going screw up the bottom in the process. So I am thinking I can

1. pad the stands and hope it is ok
2. I can try and build some stand coming from the hinge mounting points and the hood latch area. Got to have a large area to put it and sanding it might be an issue.
3. I could paint the fender lips, mount the hood and paint it on the car. This would work, but I would then have to remove it again to reassemble everything else.
4. I could perhaps paint it standing up. I am not really excited about this as I feel it will look better if it is painted flat.

At this point, I am thinking #1 is probably what I will do once the paint cures and hardens, however I am not real certain at this point.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: lulurocks on June 01, 2016 - 09:45:59 am

i wouldnt hang it ... It may sound weird but you want to paint on the same plane as the panel will sit on the car, belive it or not you will see the difference  :2cents: :2cents:

I would paint the fender tops and hood at the same time , black especially, painting parts in different humidity and temp at different times can lead to parts looking different , paint today is very scientific.

I would paint it on the car , new paint is constantly emitting solvent  for weeks/months  after you paint, I agree with your concern about messing it up resting it on something .  That will eliminate that worry .

Again just a thought ... :2cents: :2cents:
 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on June 01, 2016 - 10:18:17 am
Paint it on the car
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 01, 2016 - 10:25:29 am
Well it seems unanimous, on the car it is.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on June 01, 2016 - 05:46:51 pm
Looking great man! I am so jealous. i am stuck overseas and can't touch mine! :swear: But your pics and progress give me my daily joy.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on June 01, 2016 - 06:13:39 pm
Definitely on the car, that way the spray on the hood, and on the fenders are even.  you may have to buy more tape and plastic, but I think you will be happier with the outcome.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: js29no on June 01, 2016 - 07:32:24 pm
Definitely on the car, that way the spray on the hood, and on the fenders are even.  you may have to buy more tape and plastic, but I think you will be happier with the outcome.
:iagree: it seams it attracts more dust off the car!! static electricity due to no ground. it does not hurt to ground the car while your painting! :2cents:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 03, 2016 - 09:56:30 pm
Well it has been over a month since my last post; one would think I would be done painting but you would be wrong. We were color sanding and on the drivers side we burned through on the style line as well as above the door (2 separate occurrences); so I have had to repaint a few time (not the whole car). All that said, I am "almost" done, just have to finish color sanding one spot, and then on to the valances and bumpers. Unfortunately I have a new job in UT that takes 50% of my time, so getting work done on the car is a bit of a pain. The time away does give me time to order lots of new parts... So I get I have that going for me. More updates to follow once I get it done and start assembling.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on July 04, 2016 - 08:21:23 am
I thought that the quietness was odd.  Sorry to hear of the paint challenges but it's great to hear from you.  I too fell off pace for other diversions but it's a hobby not a job right? Keep swinging.  I'm looking forward to pictures :picture:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 04, 2016 - 11:35:59 am
Yea the job has me traveling back and forth, so I chip away at the car when I can. Here are some pics.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on July 04, 2016 - 06:04:33 pm
Looking good Mike!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 04, 2016 - 09:37:58 pm
Thanks Randy, hopefully I can bring this to a conclusion this week. Next week I am back in UT...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on July 04, 2016 - 10:13:34 pm
Man, that is looking really good. Thanks.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 04, 2016 - 10:17:27 pm
Thank you, it is quite a labor of love..  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 08, 2016 - 11:42:03 am
I think I have finally gotten on the right path and am polishing the car with the last stage of machine polish. The car is looking pretty good although there are some small imperfections but I can absolutely live with it. As noted elsewhere in this build thread, I have a tendency to get distracted and procrastinate with other projects and true to this behavior I have began a side project which is putting an EFI 6 Pack system on my 70 Challenger RT. I have had this car since 2000, got it rebuilt by 03, revisited it in 15 (to fix all of the problems I never addressed) and now have decided it needs some love. I have never drove this car more than a mile or 2 since I built it. I cannot really explain why I didn't other than it was too easy to drive something else (10 Challenger RT, 15 Ram 2500, 01 Viper, etc). The car has a 6 pack on it now which has always suffered problems mainly due to sitting all the time. I guess I never really trusted it. 2 weeks ago, I got an itch to drive it, got it fired up and took off. It had been sitting for some time and ran pretty rich but it did run. I drove it about 5 miles and was smiling all the way. At that point I made the decision to EFI it. I will start a new build thread for it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on July 09, 2016 - 10:23:49 am
Look forward to following your EFI conversion thread Mike.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 09, 2016 - 11:21:34 am
Thank Randy.

Let me present you all with my newly painted, 8+ year ongoing project  :bigsmile:

I finished buffing it out last night. No where near perfect, concours, etc but meets the criteria; green and shiny.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on July 09, 2016 - 11:29:41 am
 :clapping: Looks great Mike.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 09, 2016 - 11:40:10 am
Thanks again.

it was a bit painful but overall not too bad. Now it is time to start putting it together... finally.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on July 09, 2016 - 11:49:16 am
Looks great......and now, the fun stuff. :smile


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 09, 2016 - 12:07:38 pm
Exactly..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 09, 2016 - 03:41:48 pm
Anyone know if you can powder coat door handles?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on July 09, 2016 - 06:01:15 pm
Looking great Mike, cant see why you couldnt powder coat them at all, but if its got any bubbles/spots/blisters (not flaking though) in the chrome it will be the equivilant of rust/corosion  in the alloy that needs to be stopped first, I saw a show on one of the car shows about a re-chrome company and how they fixed the old alloy pock marked trim, they basically drilled out the little pock marks to clean metal and filled the holes by melting the same type of trim material back into the holes and dressing it back, in you case, id be drilling any of the marks out and putting some sort of filler in there otherwise after you powder coat them they will still continue to grow over time,,,,, thats only if you want to go to that effort.

whats next on the list of big steps on Cuda? engine and exhaust? or interior?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: djw383 on July 09, 2016 - 08:18:57 pm
Anyone know if you can powder coat door handles?
Yes.

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: usraptr on July 09, 2016 - 08:42:39 pm
Thank Randy.

Let me present you all with my newly painted, 8+ year ongoing project  :bigsmile:

I finished buffing it out last night. No where near perfect, concours, etc but meets the criteria; green and shiny.

Looks Great!  :2thumbs:  I'm jealous!  Hopefully, my will be fully painted later this year or next Spring. 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on July 09, 2016 - 09:12:13 pm
Very nice.  Quite the accomplishment.    Lookin forward to the start-up video  :cooldancing:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 09, 2016 - 10:21:06 pm
Looking great Mike, cant see why you couldnt powder coat them at all, but if its got any bubbles/spots/blisters (not flaking though) in the chrome it will be the equivilant of rust/corosion  in the alloy that needs to be stopped first, I saw a show on one of the car shows about a re-chrome company and how they fixed the old alloy pock marked trim, they basically drilled out the little pock marks to clean metal and filled the holes by melting the same type of trim material back into the holes and dressing it back, in you case, id be drilling any of the marks out and putting some sort of filler in there otherwise after you powder coat them they will still continue to grow over time,,,,, thats only if you want to go to that effort.

whats next on the list of big steps on Cuda? engine and exhaust? or interior?

I have brand new door handles so corrosion is not an issue. When I get time, I will look for a local powder coater.

What's next? well that is a good question. I think I need to build the gauge cluster, get the dash sorted and installed, then on to wiring. I think the wiring will support installing a number of components to include all of the lights which will require/support installation of the grille, bumpers, etc.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on July 09, 2016 - 11:04:06 pm
Good to see ya back. It's getting there.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 10, 2016 - 12:43:18 am
Good to see ya back. It's getting there.  :2thumbs:

Thanks, unfortunately I am back on the road tomorrow through next Friday, so it will be a week until I can get back on it. I am hoping I can change my schedule and get some more time home soon.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on July 14, 2016 - 04:03:54 pm
Very nice on both accounts.

I fully understand your...


OH LOOK A SQUIRREL!

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on July 14, 2016 - 04:37:56 pm
Hahaha

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on July 14, 2016 - 09:15:16 pm
Looking good!
Not sure what I like better, the 'cuda or that big garage with lotsa space fulla sh!t and stuff.  :bigsmile:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: EbodyMod on July 16, 2016 - 12:55:26 pm
 :ylsuper:Looks awesome brother!!! I wish i was not in the desert and I could work on mine. But amazing job! look at eastwood they have a powder coating lit that might work rather than paying someone to do it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 16, 2016 - 01:13:33 pm
Looking good!
Not sure what I like better, the 'cuda or that big garage with lotsa space fulla sh!t and stuff.  :bigsmile:
 :cheers:

Thanks. I like both
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 16, 2016 - 01:20:05 pm
:ylsuper:Looks awesome brother!!! I wish i was not in the desert and I could work on mine. But amazing job! look at eastwood they have a powder coating lit that might work rather than paying someone to do it.

Appreciate it. Every time I could/can not get to the car, I spend/spent a lot of time planning. I found that it made it easier when I finally got back to the car.

I have looked at Eastwood and it is a tempting thought. Another thing to spend money on.. LOL
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 21, 2016 - 01:00:50 am
Hopefully my painting adventure is coming to a conclusion... I have had to repair/repaint various parts about 8 times (not an exaggeration). As it turns out, sublime (or the variant I used) is not real conducive to repair; meaning should you get a run, you will be repainting. Should you lay tape or paper to repaint another area and the paint builds along the line, you will get to repaint. This last one was the trunk lid; the edge had a very slight thin spot but with this color and with the white epoxy under it, it looks like a yellow streak. I taped off a line that would be under the spoiler thinking that regardless it would be hidden. Well it built up a line that I had to try and blend in and ultimately resulted in a thin spot, therefore I ended up repainting the whole lid. I guess when you paint a car once every 10 years or so, you get to relearn over and over again... LOL. Good thing I bought 2 gallons as I have used most of it already. I also repainted the bumpers, had to paint and repaint the mirrors (got runs). All that said, I am hoping I am done with it now and can move on finally.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 22, 2016 - 12:40:46 am
Got the trunk wet sanded and buffed out (finally), turned out pretty nice I believe. That prompted me to start hanging parts on the car...

I want going to have the door handles powder coated black or coated black in some way, but after looking at them now I am not sure. There will be very little chrome or stainless on the car (all of the stainless will be black) but I am thinking if I leave just a few bits (like the door handles) it will look good and give that "retro" look. Open to opinions, comments, etc.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on July 22, 2016 - 01:44:29 am
Just my opinion but I blacked out all of my chrome and decided to paint the door handles the same color as the car. They seemed like they would just be big black squares on the side of the car. :dunno

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dave73chally on July 22, 2016 - 08:44:47 am
LBS that looks killer, that would be my vote  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 22, 2016 - 11:19:15 am
Thanks for the picture and opinions. I agree with the "black block" issue which is why I hesitated. I could paint them but I do not believe the paint will last all and eventually chip or peel. Body color does look good though.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 22, 2016 - 05:26:38 pm
Guess that depends if you believe in spirits or not..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: crash340 on July 22, 2016 - 06:19:41 pm
on a green car, leave them as they are, it will look ok, not stand out and be less ass pain with the 'coating' if you choose to, coming off as its a high wear area.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 23, 2016 - 01:05:06 am
on a green car, leave them as they are, it will look ok, not stand out and be less ass pain with the 'coating' if you choose to, coming off as its a high wear area.

And they say you Aussies are not the brightest bulbs in the room (at least that what the Brits say....LOL)..

I arrived at the same conclusion actually, that and they are removable so once I get the car together, if I don't like them I can remove them and have them coated. I am sure I will be looking at it a lot for a long time, so time will tell. That said, I was out tonight beginning to put the "bits" on and was looking at them in chrome/satin (kind of in between actually, not as nice as the originals though) and decided they looked at home there and good against the green car. Now, once I have everything else on and the stainless is black I might change my mind but I do not think I would go with black, perhaps paint them body color but I am still concerned about chips, so I hope they still look good as they are once the rest of the car is put together. I guess I could go with chrome mirrors to help the door handles blend in but I would rather not (I do have a set, but they are pretty beat, Id probably just get new ones).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 24, 2016 - 01:01:26 am
slow progress today, mainly sorting all of the parts I have amassed over the years. Did manage to get 2 of the 4 taillights in. Found out that the whiskers I ordered are for a 70 which has clips instead of screws, I can drill out the holes or see if they even make the right ones. One step forward, 3 backward..

Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on July 24, 2016 - 08:32:48 am
It's looking great.  I fell behind in my reading  :wave: :wave:.  I prefer stainless over blackout.  Although the idea of using body color looks cool, I would expect anything other than stainless would not hold up under wear; even if this is only driven on Saturdays and ice cream runs   :burnout:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on July 24, 2016 - 11:37:01 am
On the idea of 'blacking out', maybe consider getting rid of the silver circles of the tail lights in favor of black?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 24, 2016 - 12:56:14 pm
I thought about blacking out (or just removing) the rings, however I kind of like it. Its hard to explain, but I like the little "retro" touches; guess I am just old. Its just like the woodgrain on the dash, I like it because it is familiar and takes me back. I am going to leave the door handles, taillight rings, grille trim chrome/stainless for now.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on July 24, 2016 - 01:23:33 pm
I thought about blacking out (or just removing) the rings, however I kind of like it. Its hard to explain, but I like the little "retro" touches; guess I am just old. Its just like the woodgrain on the dash, I like it because it is familiar and takes me back. I am going to leave the door handles, taillight rings, grille trim chrome/stainless for now.
+1 on this. I think keeping those parts as they are gives it "texture" a little more that grabs your eye.  :2cents:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 24, 2016 - 01:33:58 pm
One of the things I wanted to do is add an electric trunk release; I have had them on my Challengers for years however I have never tried to do one on a Cuda. There are several guys on this forum who have done this which I looked at carefully, but I finally dug into it yesterday. It is far easier than expected and took about 30 min. What you need is the following;

1. a OEM (old school) mopar electric trunk latch
2. a cuda trunk latch
3. some type of grinding device
4. basic hand tools

What you are going to do is disassemble the cuda latch (you are after the release cam which is the part that the rod from the key/lock attaches to via a plate). This is accomplished by grinding off the heads of 2 rivets and also 2 small square tangs. Once you do that, you remove the release cam.

Then you remove the cover of the electric latch by removing the 2 push locks off the pins. Once that is off, you remove the release cam.

You will need to contour the Cuda latch release cam to a similar profile as the one from the electric latch to give it enough room to move. This is not an "exact" deal, you can profile the Cuda one little by little until you are scared or satisfied..

Put the newly profiled Cuda release cam into the electric latch; you will need to open up the hole in the plastic cover just a little but to allow the cam to rotate, this also require the underside of the bolt (boss) to be sanded down a little bit as well to provide clearance. This is not hard to do, just apply a little elbow grease and sand paper or a file or a dremel. Just don't get too froggy on it and remove a bunch or open the hole too big (it is really close from the beginning).

grease everything up, put the cover back on, replace the push locks (any well stocked hardware store or even the HELP section of your local auto parts store should have them) if they broke coming off.

bolt into place and adjust (Disclaimer, I have not adjusted mine yet, but I am confident it will work).

The latch grounds to the body and only needs a power line to work.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on July 24, 2016 - 04:07:42 pm
Thanks for posting Mike.
What did your electric latch come out of?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Lbs on July 24, 2016 - 07:18:02 pm
It's looking great.  I fell behind in my reading  :wave: :wave:.  I prefer stainless over blackout.  Although the idea of using body color looks cool, I would expect anything other than stainless would not hold up under wear; even if this is only driven on Saturdays and ice cream runs   :burnout:


I'm not trying to talk anybody into painting their door handles with the same body color but to be fair I don't think you guys should be scaring somebody off that might like that look. If done correctly, disassembled, lightly sand blasted, primed and painted, they are not that fragile. Their is painted surfaces all over the car and a stupid move could chip it no matter where it is. If you are careful with your keys, just like at the trunk lock.........no problems. I drive my car a lot and passengers are in and out of my car all the time. My car has been on the road about a year and a half now with no sign of wear or chips, and many many cars out there have painted handles. Just my humble opinion but I wouldn't let wear and chipping scare you off. :stirpot(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160724/f69546937b3b2cd8307751a135d8aea7.jpg)


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Post by: 70chall440 on July 25, 2016 - 12:44:23 am
Thanks for posting Mike.
What did your electric latch come out of?

Not sure exactly but I know they were used in the late 70's and into the 80's. I used to see them all the time and there are some on Ebay right now.

That said, there is one caveat to this; I discovered today that the electric latch needed another modification to work at least on a cuda (I have one unaltered on my Challenger). Due to the Cuda trunk latch bar (the part that is bolted to the trunk lid) is of such a design that it cannot be captured by the electric latch. Therefore, you have to trim the electric latch a little to make it work, here are some picture, you will notice that there is an electrical component that I removed, this is the "trunk open" switch which tells the driver the trunk is open. You have to remove this to trim the latch so that it will work with a Cuda. Mine is working as of today.

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Post by: 70chall440 on July 25, 2016 - 12:47:42 am
I'm not trying to talk anybody into painting their door handles with the same body color but to be fair I don't think you guys should be scaring somebody off that might like that look. If done correctly, disassembled, lightly sand blasted, primed and painted, they are not that fragile. Their is painted surfaces all over the car and a stupid move could chip it no matter where it is. If you are careful with your keys, just like at the trunk lock.........no problems. I drive my car a lot and passengers are in and out of my car all the time. My car has been on the road about a year and a half now with no sign of wear or chips, and many many cars out there have painted handles. Just my humble opinion but I wouldn't let wear and chipping scare you off. :stirpot([url]http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160724/f69546937b3b2cd8307751a135d8aea7.jpg[/url])


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Appreciate your comments and I am not all that worried, however I decided that I don't want them body color, at least not right now. As the car comes together I will reevaluate it and if need be I can paint them. My window sweeps will remain chrome as will the tail light rings and grille trim, so I think the door handles will fit right in.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 01, 2016 - 01:48:33 pm
Laid the hood on for prospective, I think it is coming together.
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Post by: Denison636 on August 01, 2016 - 04:29:42 pm
It's not what others like, it's what you like. Keep up the good work. Wish I could be brave and paint mine like you did.
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Post by: Cudakiller70 on August 01, 2016 - 04:40:10 pm
It's not what others like, it's what you like. Keep up the good work. Wish I could be brave and paint mine like you did.
Exactly, can't wait to see you drive it.  :burnout:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 01, 2016 - 06:02:52 pm
thanks all. I am definitely looking forward to getting it running and driving. I cannot help but wonder what demons await me... LOL I am sure there is something is there just waiting to not work, fail, etc. That's what it is called a "project".. LOL
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Post by: dodj on August 02, 2016 - 08:55:50 am
I thought about blacking out (or just removing) the rings, however I kind of like it. Its hard to explain, but I like the little "retro" touches; guess I am just old. Its just like the woodgrain on the dash, I like it because it is familiar and takes me back. I am going to leave the door handles, taillight rings, grille trim chrome/stainless for now.
Seeing as you decided not to paint the handles, i agree with leaving the other silver parts as is. If the handles were the only silver accent, it would look odd, I  think.
My car has all the silver accents you can put on one of these cars (i think). Rocker trim,  wheel well trim,  chrome mirrors. .......
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 02, 2016 - 11:15:34 am
correct, I am not going to paint the door handles. I will have the window whiskers which have a chrome strip, the grille trim and the tail light rings. I don't want to add more than that I don't think.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 03, 2016 - 01:11:36 am
My car originally came with a rear window defroster which I think was about the only option it did have (318, AT car), therefore I always knew I would put it back in. Since the car was a 1 rear speaker car (defroster on the right side), I had thought about getting one of the adapter things Mopar used in the day to allow a speaker and the rear defroster to be used, but after looking at them I decided to build my own. Didn't look overly complicated and I like making things, therefore I present the following. Not done yet but close. I am going to put a screen above the speaker and I think some hushmat as inside the box as well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on August 03, 2016 - 09:38:30 am
Hmm. U get frost out there?
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 03, 2016 - 11:00:26 am
maybe... LOL; I doubt I will ever use it, I just want it in there. Hey, we all have our demons and things like this are mine. It came with it, it was an option, the dash as a knob for it, therefore I want it in the car.
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Post by: js29no on August 03, 2016 - 11:03:25 am
maybe... LOL; I doubt I will ever use it, I just want it in there. Hey, we all have our demons and things like this are mine. It came with it, it was an option, the dash as a knob for it, therefore I want it in the car.
            :iagree: :roflsmiley: :roflsmiley: :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 03, 2016 - 12:16:31 pm
Can't make this stuff up...

I need to get this done so I can move on. I have been delaying doing the gauges because I would like to get an old bezel and cut it up to allow me to build the gauge support plate.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on August 04, 2016 - 07:21:53 am
maybe... LOL; I doubt I will ever use it, I just want it in there. Hey, we all have our demons and things like this are mine. It came with it, it was an option, the dash as a knob for it, therefore I want it in the car.
:smilielol:
Ha. I've got two rear defrosters (sitting on a shelf)  but I've never seen a bracket like you seem to be making.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 04, 2016 - 11:11:07 am
Mopar had/has a bracket to allow you to use a speaker and the defroster; Classic sells them for $169, but I just didn't like it and felt I could make one, thus my effort...  :bigsmile:

I have way more time in this that I probably should but I do like making things, so there is that. Like I said, doubt I will ever even turn it on, but if I want to, I can.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 06, 2016 - 11:53:59 pm
sometimes you just get lucky. I was looking at putting in my trunk weatherstripping and was watching a youtube video during which it was mentioned that if you had trunk seal with double sided tape, you just had to remove one side and stick it on. I thought what a great idea, I wonder why Mopar didn't have this? Then I remember that I had some 3M double sided tape.... Well after measuring the weatherstrip I realized I needed tape about 1/2" wide, so I measure the length of the strip and found it to be 14', so I went to my local O'Reillys and found they had a roll of .5" x 15' 3M tape. After sticking it to the strip, I installed it into the car (like 5 minutes)... BAM! worked like a charm.
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Post by: Cudakiller70 on August 07, 2016 - 12:02:11 am
Neat when you something goes real sweet like that.  :thumbsup: thanks for sharing.
Rear end looks clean in that picture nice detail.  :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 07, 2016 - 12:43:38 pm
thanks, I am finally working on the gauges... Need to get the dash done and installed, all of the hushmat, the headlines, etc.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 08, 2016 - 01:35:52 pm
Despite my best intentions, there is not real easy way to install Speedhut gauges in an Ebody Rally dash short of shoving them in the bezel. I am in the process of building the mounting apparatus to install the gauges but it is a tedious affair. I am sure someone out there with a better skill set could do better, but for me it will be one gauge at a time. My intent is to have a mounting system that is independent of the bezel (like stock) and to be able to remove each gauge independently yet have them all tied together. This is pretty ambitious I think, but I will get it done. I modified the dash frame earlier for my first attempt, now I have to fix that as well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dave73chally on August 08, 2016 - 02:53:58 pm
Despite my best intentions, there is not real easy way to install Speedhut gauges in an Ebody Rally dash short of shoving them in the bezel. I am in the process of building the mounting apparatus to install the gauges but it is a tedious affair. I am sure someone out there with a better skill set could do better, but for me it will be one gauge at a time. My intent is to have a mounting system that is independent of the bezel (like stock) and to be able to remove each gauge independently yet have them all tied together. This is pretty ambitious I think, but I will get it done. I modified the dash frame earlier for my first attempt, now I have to fix that as well.

What size are the openings on the rally bezel? I had 3d pods printed that housed the gauges perfectly. Member on here (mickm) supplied the art and it was relatively cheap to print. You can see the pics in my build thread. Maybe he can scale an art file to the size you need?
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 08, 2016 - 03:25:58 pm
The openings are something like 3 7/8. Definitely less than 4". I will try and find you thread and look at yours. What I want is a factory look.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 08, 2016 - 03:33:13 pm
What size are the openings on the rally bezel? I had 3d pods printed that housed the gauges perfectly. Member on here (mickm) supplied the art and it was relatively cheap to print. You can see the pics in my build thread. Maybe he can scale an art file to the size you need?

Just looked at your set up, I really do not want to attach the gauges to the bezel.
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Post by: brads70 on August 08, 2016 - 06:14:47 pm
Can you pop rivet some sheetmetal to the diecast aluminum gauge pods? That's what I did, simple/cheap. I did have to cut out the back of the aluminum with a body saw for clearance.
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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 08, 2016 - 06:16:23 pm
Unfortunately I do not have the die cast part and as far as I know it is not repop'd. That said, I will get it done, just going to take some effort.
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Post by: jhaag on August 08, 2016 - 10:16:11 pm
Looked at this long and hard. Had the parts. Decided it was beyond my skills, and will go with Dakota Digital package they recently introduced. What those of you with standard dashes don't see is that the rally dash is not flat. It is curved both east and west, and north and south. It will be very difficult to do. Good luck, hope you figure it out.
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 09, 2016 - 10:43:50 am
Looked at this long and hard. Had the parts. Decided it was beyond my skills, and will go with Dakota Digital package they recently introduced. What those of you with standard dashes don't see is that the rally dash is not flat. It is curved both east and west, and north and south. It will be very difficult to do. Good luck, hope you figure it out.

I am confident I will make it work, however my original intent/desire was to make it repeatable so that others could replicate it, but this is going to be a one off deal. It will be difficult but not impossible.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 10, 2016 - 12:16:38 pm
Finally finished the rear window defroster.
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Post by: crash340 on August 10, 2016 - 03:02:43 pm
 :cooldancing: :cheers: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on August 10, 2016 - 07:02:35 pm
Wow you really like a challenge. That defroster came out great, kudos  :jumping:.  I'm anxious to see your solution to the gauges.  I was concerned with a direct adhesion to the bezel.  I have a standard bezel and was thinking something like the fabricated cluster suggestion but I'm not to the dash yet. However,  I'm finally on a schedule for paint!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 11, 2016 - 01:10:36 am
Yea I do like a challenge especially when it comes to fabrication. I know I will make it work, just how it will turn out behind the bezel is the question, might be kind of ugly but we will see. It isn't super hard, just difficult and if I didn't have a shop full of metal working tools it would be even harder. I will definitely post pics along the way.

Unfortunately I have another distraction at the moment, I am painting a 91 Dodge Stealth for my neighbor. It used to be my car but I gave it to him as I wasn't using it any longer, but the paint really sucked. It is a just a squirt job so all I have to do is shoot the primer (did that today) and paint, then clear. Next week I am back in UT for the week so the dash will probably have to wait until for another week or so.
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Post by: AU6pack on August 11, 2016 - 01:28:49 am
Yea I do like a challenge especially when it comes to fabrication. I know I will make it work, just how it will turn out behind the bezel is the question, might be kind of ugly but we will see. It isn't super hard, just difficult and if I didn't have a shop full of metal working tools it would be even harder. I will definitely post pics along the way.

You might have a few instant customers if you can fabricate a bezel for the Speedhut gauges. I'll be first! I've spent a lot of time looking at the gauges, looking at the bezel, looking at the gauges..... :clueless:

How to mount each gauge at the right angle with the correct set back....
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 11, 2016 - 11:50:39 am
That was the intent, however I discovered that I had to trim the bezel slightly so that the SH gauges would lay against the bezel. I don't know that a lot of people are going to be willing to do that.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2016 - 12:29:58 am
Got the Stealth painted, back to the Cuda.
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Post by: crash340 on August 12, 2016 - 05:05:13 am
Good job mate
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2016 - 10:59:03 am
Thanks, it turned out pretty nice IMO. The owner is super happy.
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Post by: js29no on August 12, 2016 - 11:25:05 am
Nice job! looks like you had good flow. what did you use product wise. :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2016 - 11:52:34 am
The paint was Omni single stage, did 3 coats. I also applied 3 coats of clear over it.
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Post by: js29no on August 12, 2016 - 11:58:09 am
Wet on wet?
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2016 - 02:49:48 pm
Yes; 10 min flash time between coats, however 40 min between base and clear.
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Post by: js29no on August 13, 2016 - 08:48:15 am
That's cool. :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 14, 2016 - 01:05:40 am
Got some time to work on the gauges today. I had a euphony this morning and decided to make a piece of sheet metal that wraps around the gauge bezel to get the angle/s I needed and then reverse engineer it into the dash frame. After some messing around I think I arrived at something that is going to work well. Keeping in mind that I worked on it for about 4 hours or so, as I had to attend a Special Forces Association picnic. Still have more work to do but I think this will work out. My original intent was to make the gauge pods individual to facilitate installation and removal, however now I am thinking I am going to have to stick to one panel or perhaps I will split it and have 2 pods.
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Post by: Mpdlawdog on August 18, 2016 - 12:45:37 pm
You really love painting that black!!  Love the gauges! 
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 18, 2016 - 10:50:52 pm
Painting what black? If you mean the bezel, it will have the normal wood grain on it.
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 21, 2016 - 02:12:15 pm
finished the instrument cluster for the most part. Gauges line up nice and I am happy with the way it all fits. I obsessed about a couple of issue like the gap at the bottom of each gauge and the bezel and finally decided to accept it for what it is.

For those of you thinking about doing this, some FYI

1. the bezel has to be modified IMO. Yes it is painful to start cutting up a $300 piece of plastic, but since they repop them I wasn't too worried.

2. to get the gauges to sit nicely and to line up, you really have to be patient and methodical. I was going to do individual "pods" but determined this was going to take a lot more work than just doing one piece.

3. you really need to have your dash frame out of the car so you can get to everything and see every angle. I am sure you could do in the car, but IMO this would be much harder.

4. I am sure if your modified the bezel, you could make something to attach the gauges to it, however IMO (again) I would not want the gauges supported only by the bezel, not to mention trying to install it as one complete unit.

5. make a lot of templates out of construction paper, card board, etc. this will give you a really clear idea of what needs to go where and sit a certain way.

In all, it wasn't super hard, it was a challenge and I am sure someone can do better, but this is my result.

Note, the bezel will have the normal woodgrain cover. I am trying to determine what to do about the blinker and high beam holes since they are now in the speedo.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 21, 2016 - 02:22:44 pm
Here are some pictures. One point, the right side has to come out slightly more than the left side (about 1/2") to meet the bezel as it is angled towards the driver.

For those of you interested in trying this. To modify the bezel, get some fine line tape and tape off the tops (see picture) and then use a dremel with a saw blade and run it at a moderate speed (if you are going too fast it will melt the plastic quickly, it will melt regardless but you want to control it). The objective is to make the "barrels" of the bezel flat so the gauge sits flush or relatively flush.
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Post by: Challenger in NC on August 21, 2016 - 02:25:26 pm
Great attention to detail  :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 21, 2016 - 02:27:52 pm
I used an electric orbital sander to clean up the backs of the barrels where I cut them off. The flashing (melted plastic from cutting) will just break off flush to the barrel so long as you do not have your Dremel (rotary tool) speed too high. If you do, it melt in "clumps" that will be very hard to get off and may actually chip off the barrel creating voids (holes). Play with the speed starting on the low end until you can cut and if you go slow the blade will not stop. This isn't hard, just have to be patient. The sander is used to even out the back of the barrels.
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 21, 2016 - 02:28:53 pm
Great attention to detail  :2thumbs:

thanks  :bigsmile:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 22, 2016 - 01:08:56 pm
Got a little work done on the car, installed my new JD pad. Nice not to have cracks. I also spent a lot of time installing the Hushmat, still a ways to go there. If you have OCD, don't do this as nothing lines up and you have to be creative. I need to determine how I am going to do the doors.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 25, 2016 - 09:23:16 pm
Got my new center speaker, I am "slightly" confused by the dual leads attached to it. The wires are attached to each side of the speaker, so I suspect it would be wired like two front speakers.

Any stereo geeks out there who might have some direction?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 25, 2016 - 11:06:59 pm
So, like most things you get out of a catalog, it "kind of" works. Turns out the hole in the dash frame is not big enough for the speaker magnet. The speaker will fit, just not right, so the pad needs to come off and the hole needs to be modified.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on August 26, 2016 - 04:17:43 pm
I had to cut mine bigger too.
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Post by: roadman5312 on August 26, 2016 - 04:24:37 pm
we had to cut and then installthe speaker from the bottom so grill would fit
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 26, 2016 - 08:18:07 pm
The speaker fits under the grille fine, just needs to be moved over about 1/2".
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Post by: roadman5312 on August 26, 2016 - 08:21:07 pm
                    :2thumbs:
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Post by: 70chall440 on August 26, 2016 - 08:24:06 pm
thanks
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Post by: djw383 on August 27, 2016 - 07:42:06 am
Magnets are much bigger in today's speakers, even the smaller side speakers holes have to be massaged.

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Challenger in NC on August 27, 2016 - 08:50:40 am
Got a little work done on the car, installed my new JD pad. Nice not to have cracks. I also spent a lot of time installing the Hushmat, still a ways to go there. If you have OCD, don't do this as nothing lines up and you have to be creative. I need to determine how I am going to do the doors.

How do you like the Hushmat? Did it adhere well? What areas of the car are you doing besides floor and doors? I imagine the doors will be a pain, even with everything removed. Car is looking fantastic.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 27, 2016 - 10:16:25 am
IMO Hushmat is better than Dynamat because the outer foil on the Dynamat is very sharp whereas the Hushmat is not. Yes, it adheres fine.

I put it on the firewall, floor, package tray, roof and doors. Putting it into the doors was not an issue at all. The roof was the worst because as you are trying to line it up, it is trying to fall down. You don't want to stick it too hard or you cant get It back up. I will say this, it makes a big difference in sound and vibration. when you tap the roof now it sounds solid. I still need to put it onto the inner sides of the doors once I get the glass back in.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 25, 2016 - 12:17:41 pm
I decided to try and use an aftermarket steering wheel. I have to make an adapter; actually have one made to allow the use of this wheel. I really liked the Billet Specialties but they are quite expensive; this is a knock off.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on October 03, 2016 - 12:36:49 am
Got my adapter for my new steering wheel, I am pretty happy with it.
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Post by: YellowThumper on October 03, 2016 - 12:47:01 am
 :2thumbs:
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Post by: crash340 on October 03, 2016 - 02:43:59 am
Thats cool!, it just bolts straight on then, awesome
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Post by: 70chall440 on October 03, 2016 - 10:50:45 am
Thats cool!, it just bolts straight on then, awesome

Does now! yea it looks pretty good. I need to make a cone on the other end to mate up with the steering column.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on October 22, 2016 - 01:23:49 am
Thought someone you following this might be interested in the current situation. I haven't done anything really on the car recently bc I have been working on my Challenger, however I have managed to damage my new paint... making a bracket and the grinder caught it and skipped it across my right quarter panel... ugh...  :villagers: So, when it gets nice I will have to fix that and repaint it... lucky me..

I have decided I am also going to put a tow loop in the front of the car, it is so low and with the spoiler, there is no way it could be towed without destroying the spoiler, anyone have any ideas? I am thinking of making a bar that ties into both bumper brackets so that it pulls on them at the same time. I would rather come off the frame or even the K frame but there just isn't any place to tie into or off of.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: dodj on October 22, 2016 - 07:59:46 am
Got my adapter for my new steering wheel, I am pretty happy with it.
Looks nice.
Where did you get it from?
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Post by: EB3-GranCoupe on October 22, 2016 - 09:15:42 am
Google "Tow Loop", and take a look at the images.  You might get some ideas.  If you are going to the track, there might be some rule specific locations.   :2cents:

Check this one out:
http://www.racequip.com/towhookloopstrap.html (http://www.racequip.com/towhookloopstrap.html)

Or this one:
https://bimmian.com/Accessories-for-BMW/Styling/Exterior/Aluminum-Tow-Hook/ (https://bimmian.com/Accessories-for-BMW/Styling/Exterior/Aluminum-Tow-Hook/)
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Post by: twalker on October 22, 2016 - 10:49:05 am
Sorry to hear about the paint, sigh. 


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: twalker on October 22, 2016 - 10:52:12 am
IMO Hushmat is better than Dynamat because the outer foil on the Dynamat is very sharp whereas the Hushmat is not. Yes, it adheres fine.

My hands can attest to the sharp edges of dynamat!   Otherwise worked great though


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Post by: 70chall440 on October 22, 2016 - 12:43:56 pm
Looks nice.
Where did you get it from?

I had it machined by a friend/neighbor.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on October 22, 2016 - 12:49:51 pm
Google "Tow Loop", and take a look at the images.  You might get some ideas.  If you are going to the track, there might be some rule specific locations.   :2cents:

Check this one out:
[url]http://www.racequip.com/towhookloopstrap.html[/url] ([url]http://www.racequip.com/towhookloopstrap.html[/url])

Or this one:
[url]https://bimmian.com/Accessories-for-BMW/Styling/Exterior/Aluminum-Tow-Hook/[/url] ([url]https://bimmian.com/Accessories-for-BMW/Styling/Exterior/Aluminum-Tow-Hook/[/url])


Thanks - I am definitely looking at a hard tow point; once I get the front end assembled I will be able to see what space I have available. The other (more important) issue is connecting it where I can really pull from, this has to be a functional hook. The strap is ok too and certainly cost effective; perhaps another option is developing the tow point which the strap could be connected to should I need it... Not too worried about the back; I can get to the axle if need be.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on October 22, 2016 - 02:23:05 pm
Thought someone you following this might be interested I have managed to damage my new paint... making a bracket and the grinder caught it and skipped it across my right quarter panel... ugh...  :villagers: So, when it gets nice I will have to fix that and repaint it... lucky me..
That's messed up :o, but who better than yourself to be the first to damage your virgin paint work.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on October 22, 2016 - 02:35:23 pm
First scratch/gouge hurts the worst.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on October 22, 2016 - 05:38:24 pm
You used single stage paint right? Isn't it much easier to touch up than a color clear?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on October 22, 2016 - 06:22:27 pm
You used single stage paint right? Isn't it much easier to touch up than a color clear?

Yes I did and I think it is easier to repair in that you do not have reclear. We will see what I get to it, but I might be able to fill it and buff it out or fill it and reshoot the top of the quarter. It isn't that big of a deal really since I have the equipment and paint to do it, it just pisses me off that it happened.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on November 19, 2016 - 01:10:47 am
Some pictures by request
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cazbah362 on January 02, 2017 - 05:11:32 pm
70Chall - Nice build, you definitely gave me some great ideas like the 3M O3609 tape and KC Apollo 456 driving lights.  I also have the Stinger hood, ordered some AAR springs, worked well.  Also, now I see how the debate on Speedhut vs Dakota.  I like both, just like the fact DD has the Rally layout, also see 340 had the gauge look a little more like the factory Mopar style.  I just ported my build thread over from another site, so I will keep both sites going.  Seems there are more people to converse with over here.

Nice build - and thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 02, 2017 - 08:24:04 pm
No worries, glad there is something here you can use.

I had Crash340's gauges here with me for awhile, they look good specifically with the retro layout he had them do. I cannot say I am a huge fan of how they are stock. In fact we talked to them at SEMI about using the retro look and they were not interested stating that if other wanted them they could "special order" them.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Markp on January 10, 2017 - 02:36:06 pm
Amazing job! This is a great build it is giving me inspiration. :worshippy
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on January 13, 2017 - 10:34:04 pm
Amazing job! This is a great build it is giving me inspiration. :worshippy

Thank you, I just need to get off my backside and get it done..
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 09, 2017 - 12:54:22 pm
I know it has been a while, unfortunately I do not have much to report as to progress on the car and it looks like it will be a while more.. I was in Vegas last week and came home to 1/2 of the roof off one of my shop bays ripped off and laying in front of the shop (roof was from the back side). If I didn't know any better, I would think a small tornado hit it.

I had to move the Cuda to my other shop and got some pictures.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on April 09, 2017 - 02:24:04 pm
Well that just sucks, was the car unscathed? Looks ok but hard to tell from pictures....
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 09, 2017 - 03:12:08 pm
Car is fine (thankfully). Cant say the same for the rest of the shop; there are 4 bays in all, the far left is the tall one (RV bay) where my lift is, then there are 2 more to the right that were there when I bought the place and lastly the far right which I added on when I bought by Viper. 1/2 the roof from the add on bay is gone and the back side of bays 2 and 3 are damaged extensively. I am going to have to do some structural repair and re-roof the back side of bays 2, 3 and 4. We will see what the insurance adjuster says. If I can swing it, I am going to push bays 2,3 and 4 out 8-10 feet... :) more shop is better....
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: edl94 on April 09, 2017 - 05:30:58 pm
I live down the road in Spanaway it was quite a wind storm. Down at the port of tacoma the wind meters on the cranes were registering 35 mph constant winds with gusts to 58 mph. I spent the day today picking up branches in the yard. Glad your car came out OK. We need to get together sometime I would love to check out your cars.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 09, 2017 - 06:29:57 pm
I live down the road in Spanaway it was quite a wind storm. Down at the port of tacoma the wind meters on the cranes were registering 35 mph constant winds with gusts to 58 mph. I spent the day today picking up branches in the yard. Glad your car came out OK. We need to get together sometime I would love to check out your cars.

Welcome neighbor :)

it is really weird because just that corner of that shop was affected. I grew up in ND and this reminds me a tornado or as they say in other parts of the country, a wind devil. It peeled that roof off like a spam can... rolled it up and over the other half of the roof.

We definitely should link up some time, I am semi retired so I am around much of the time and now with the shop I suspect I will be doing construction for awhile.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on April 09, 2017 - 08:27:05 pm
Sorry to hear that Mike. Glad the car's okay!
Hope the insurance adjuster comes through for ya.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: AU6pack on April 10, 2017 - 03:03:51 am
Could be a blessing in disguise if you get a larger work shop  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on April 10, 2017 - 12:39:36 pm
Adjuster is coming tomorrow; talk to her today and she said she would "cut me a check" as soon as she developed the damage value.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 24, 2017 - 01:04:49 am
I know its been awhile but finally got some time to come back to the forum.

Re the shop, all rebuilt and 8' deeper to boot plus it is now insulated  :bigsmile: and on top of that I still have some $$ left over.. it was a lot of hard work but I think it turned out very nice.

I just got my 70 Challenger back into the shop and up on the lift so I could try and figure out why it wasn't shifting into 3rd, turns out the 2-3 servo/valve was corroded closed. I am awaiting some parts so I decided it was time to get the Cuda back into the shop.

I brought the car in (with the help of a tractor) and then set about getting all of the parts brought in and organized; I had forgotten how much stuff I have for that car... Anyway, tomorrow I need to finish organizing and then I am going to start trying to assemble the car one section at a time. I do have to fix 2 places on the sail panel on the passenger side where I skipped a piece of flat stock across it some time ago, so there is that.

Regardless, it is progress  :woohoo:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on June 24, 2017 - 01:10:35 am
You've done most of the hard stuff, can't wait to see it running :burnout: :cooldancing:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: AU6pack on June 24, 2017 - 03:39:22 am
You've done most of the hard stuff, can't wait to see it running :burnout: :cooldancing:

X 2  :wow:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 24, 2017 - 12:19:12 pm
X 2  :wow:

I agree, I need to get it together if no other reason than to give all of these parts a home  :bigsmile: Ive got parts on top of parts... Need to have a big yard sale afterward... LOL or buy another Ebody...  :stirpot:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 25, 2017 - 01:14:43 pm
Started actually working on the Cuda finally  :woohoo: Since EVERYTHING has to get done, it took me a little time to decide what to do. One thing that has been bothering me for a long time is one of the rear window regulators was broken when I got the car. Fortunately all of the parts were present but I wasn't sure if it could be repaired; well yesterday I decided to investigate it and happily it could (as was) be repaired.

For anyone interested, what happens with these is that over time the rivets break and then the gear inside gets out of line with the regulator. I ended up taking the good side apart so I could see how it all worked. Once I figured out that the window shaft had come out of the circular part, fixing it was simple. The shaft is "swaged" into this piece by a machine during manufacturing but I am sure over time things loosen up and then if a rivet gives way all the force of trying to roll the window up or down is then transferred to the union between the shaft and circular piece.

The repair was 2 fold; reswage the corners of the square component of the shaft using a small chisel (to get some material to fold over) and then I tacked 2 sides with a TIG. Put it all back together, re-riveted both of them and they are done. Now I need to find some sticky grease to put in there; don't know what the factory used but whatever it is it has lasted 40+ years (more or less). 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 25, 2017 - 01:22:38 pm
Next thing I decided to do was fix the damage I inflicted on the car when I was grinding a piece of metal that got away from me and skipped across the car...  :banghead:

Had to do a little sanding and a little filling and then lay some paint on the area. I have learned (the hard way) that it is difficult if not impossible to try and paint just a small area without causing more pain and time in the end as you tend to burn through the surrounding area when trying to blend in the repair. Therefore I tend to paint a much larger area and then blend it all in; the edges tend to not require much work as the new paint is faded into it. Anyway, despite the small areas to be repaired, still take considerable time and effort to do. Ended up giving it 4 coats (probably more than needed) but this green is a bit translucent and pretty easy to sand through which results in white "spots" from the primer underneath. I will let it cure for a while until I wet sand and buff it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 25, 2017 - 01:23:55 pm
Next will be putting everything under the hood back in, then on to wiring, etc...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on June 25, 2017 - 07:21:36 pm
Glad to hear things have worked out well for you. Looking forward to your next stages.  I'm in assembly but numerous little gremlins keep distracting me.  Looks like you figured out a solution for the four barrel large air cleaner?  I'm thinking of fabricating one.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 73440 on June 25, 2017 - 09:20:01 pm
@70chall440
Saturday I put a long scratch in the rear quarter thru the billboard down to metal when backing into the garage too close to the bike.
What brand and color paint did you use, mine is same color. I could probably get by for now with black to match billboard but thinking of taking the billboard off.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 26, 2017 - 12:32:52 pm
Glad to hear things have worked out well for you. Looking forward to your next stages.  I'm in assembly but numerous little gremlins keep distracting me.  Looks like you figured out a solution for the four barrel large air cleaner?  I'm thinking of fabricating one.

Right now I am using a A12 (lift off hood Roadrunner) 6 pack air cleaner fiberglass base. I would like a TA/AAR base but have too many other things to deal with at the moment. I am not sure anyone is still making fiberglass versions of the TA/AAR base.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 26, 2017 - 12:42:35 pm
@70chall440
Saturday I put a long scratch in the rear quarter thru the billboard down to metal when backing into the garage too close to the bike.
What brand and color paint did you use, mine is same color. I could probably get by for now with black to match billboard but thinking of taking the billboard off.

I am using TC Global paint, I bought it online. I will admit up front that it is not the same as Mopar Sublime. Before I installed the engine, I had painted the engine compartment with some actual sublime I was given by a friend who ran a resto shop. When I painted the car I masked off the engine compartment believing I didn't need to paint it. When I unmasked it, the difference was very noticeable so I had to repaint the engine bay.

Evidentially there are many shades of lime green/sublime etc out there so getting a match may be an issue. When I was getting read to paint this car, I had ordered a gallon of "sublime" from Eastwood, then I realized I would need at least 2 gallons, however Eastwood discontinued the color and I was stuck with the one gallon (which I still have). I then went online and found the TC Global product and purchased it.

If you are going to remove the billboard and repair the quarter AND it is Mopar sublime, I would highly recommend you go to a automotive paint store and have them mix the right color (the color formula is online I believe but a good paint store will have the formula). You are going to need at least pint but probably safer to get a quart at least.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 73440 on June 26, 2017 - 06:10:34 pm
Thanks, I have access to the paint codes ,, but agree with you that to match what is actually on the car and not knowing what it was paintd with, will need to have the actual paint matched.

With 5 manufacturors , color differences are possible , http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?color=Lime%20Light&tditzler=2128&rows=50 (http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?color=Lime%20Light&tditzler=2128&rows=50)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 26, 2017 - 07:04:44 pm
I believe that some high end paint shops can scan or take a picture of a color and match it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on June 30, 2017 - 12:32:16 am
Well like most things with this car, 1 step forward and 2 backward. While I was fixing the 3 dings in the quarter, I shot some paint into the back window channel or more accurately onto the narrow flat area just behind the back window because there was what looked like a scratch along it. Well no good intention goes unpunished... today while I was wet sanding the quarter I noticed what looked like a blemish, kind of like the paint had shrunk or something. Basically there was a somewhat circular line in the middle of the ductchman panel. After sanding it a while of course I burned through the paint so.... I had to sand the entire panel had to sanded and repainted. What I discovered was that when I painted the top of the panel, it was too thick and caused a shadow or a line. Anyway, I hope the painting is over...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on July 05, 2017 - 06:32:53 pm
Sucks but someone has to finish these things.

I would tell you to stop looking so close at it. But I know you cannot...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 06, 2017 - 12:40:27 am
I must have felt your comments telepathically... I arrived at that conclusion today after buffing on it for about 4 hours and finding this dark line/area. This is the problem with sublime or translucent colors; the more you put on the darker they become. I have no idea how you blend a repair outside of painting an entire section. It was worse originally, but I wet sanded for along time with 1500 then 2000, then went to rubbing compound and then to polishing compound. I am a bit hesitant to try it again in fear of sanding through it or some place and requiring more painting (which I am very tired of). Unless someone can tell me how to overcome this, I am electing not to walk on that side of the car  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cazbah362 on July 07, 2017 - 09:56:54 am
So - generally knowing your (our) personality types, avoiding the passenger side will only last a few days.  Great car(s), and I enjoy your threads, I look forward to seeing the passenger side blend/repaint.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 07, 2017 - 12:35:47 pm
LOL probably true but I am not in a mood to repaint the car any time real soon. Yes, that area bothers me but looking at repainting bothers me more. I might try wet standing it some more which will lead to burning through the paint which will then require a repaint....  :swear:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 11, 2017 - 11:26:53 pm
Alright I have reached the conclusion that I am going to have to respray...  :villagers: the question I have now is whether or not if I am going to have to or should reprime it as well? My inclination is to scuff the whole car and just respray it; yes it will be darker than it is now (which is fine) but what I am wondering is will this dark area be darker than everywhere else as it is now? I really do not want to prime it again...

Thoughts, opinions, etc... I am going to post this in the body shop as well and see what comes out of that.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on July 12, 2017 - 12:52:31 am
Here's something on a different path, what if you painted the top area like it had a vinyl top by extending the hood and fender black paint back and over the top. Basically it would look like a AAR with a black vinyl top.  :dunno:

Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 12, 2017 - 01:32:09 pm
Here's something on a different path, what if you painted the top area like it had a vinyl top by extending the hood and fender black paint back and over the top. Basically it would look like a AAR with a black vinyl top.  :dunno:

Actually my daughter suggested the same thing. I need to think about it, I don't want a vinyl top (have one on the Challenger), a painted top might work.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: AU6pack on July 12, 2017 - 07:13:36 pm
Actually my daughter suggested the same thing. I need to think about it, I don't want a vinyl top (have one on the Challenger), a painted top might work.

Could be an interesting route. Maybe do it in a vinyl wrap first that you can remove easily to get an idea of the look. You could leave it on for a few weeks to know if you love it or hate it before its painted on?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 12, 2017 - 11:53:30 pm
Could be an interesting route. Maybe do it in a vinyl wrap first that you can remove easily to get an idea of the look. You could leave it on for a few weeks to know if you love it or hate it before its painted on?

Good point/s. That said, I think I am just going to go ahead and respray the entire car; the amount of work is pretty much the same either way.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on July 13, 2017 - 07:59:14 pm
Take some black visqueen and tape it on top and squint your eyes just a hair.  It'll look better than this TA because the black on your cuda goes over the top of the fenders. Just try it man!
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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 13, 2017 - 11:13:03 pm
LOL, perhaps I will give it a try, however I really don't want to put the vinyl top trim back on... just saying.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on July 14, 2017 - 08:25:52 pm
Just go with what you know you have to.
"Should have" is haunting. Especially if you have the means (not to be confused with desire) to make it what you want vs what you settled for.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 15, 2017 - 12:45:49 am
Just go with what you know you have to.
"Should have" is haunting. Especially if you have the means (not to be confused with desire) to make it what you want vs what you settled for.

Thanks.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: djw383 on July 15, 2017 - 08:17:32 am
LOL, perhaps I will give it a try, however I really don't want to put the vinyl top trim back on... just saying.
Your car, your money, do what you want....

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 15, 2017 - 02:43:30 pm
Your car, your money, do what you want....

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Completely agree, but I do value other opinions and like to hear (read) what others think. If it weren't for the trim aspect I would probably entertain doing a black top, although I think I would do it in vinyl rather than paint as I never really liked painted tops.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudakiller70 on July 15, 2017 - 04:08:04 pm
No trim piece use paint like a wide pin strip. I hope you know I'm not trying to tell you what to do, sometimes from mistakes better things happen. I'm a believer in your car your way.
If it doesn't work what's the worst that could happen repaint? :faint:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 15, 2017 - 06:36:23 pm
No trim piece use paint like a wide pin strip. I hope you know I'm not trying to tell you what to do, sometimes from mistakes better things happen. I'm a believer in your car your way.
If it doesn't work what's the worst that could happen repaint? :faint:

LOL I got it, no problem. Again, I am open to suggestions and ideas, doesn't mean I will take or do them but I appreciate the input. We will see, I am still pondering my options and waiting on paint.

A pen stripe would work if it was the right color, obviously can't be black, I don't think green would work, perhaps a chrome one? I do have a little chrome on the car currently (door handles, rings around the taillights, grille rings, headlight rings so it would be totally out of the realm.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 22, 2017 - 12:59:29 pm
I am well on the way to repaint the car, unfortunately the Mopar gods are not with me on this endeavor. Yesterday I (wrongly) decided to try and make a slight adjustment to the trunk lid which resulted in damaging the paint even more...  :pullinghair: I guess it is a good thing I am repainting the entire car..

Today its all about prep, sanding, etc. I am hoping to start spraying soon. I am going to respray EVERYTHING except the engine compartment as I do not want any color issues. Definitely sucks doing this as a one man shop but it is what it is.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: twalker on July 22, 2017 - 04:35:28 pm
Ouch!  Sorry to hear that. 


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on July 22, 2017 - 07:48:20 pm
Yes, sorry to hear.
Best wishes for next round.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cazbah362 on July 23, 2017 - 11:05:35 am
Positive part - just pushed you to the inevitable, plus we all know you have eyeballed other areas you thought "I its not perfect, but it works." Now is the time! and luckily you have the KSA's to do it, just time and money now.  Keep us posted!

CP
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 23, 2017 - 11:52:58 am
Very true (about going b back and fixing things). I accept that it isn't going to be perfect but there were several areas where it could have been much better. Also, I have found that since I am not painting in conjunction with having to do the body work, align the panels, etc I can actually focus on just the painting aspect. I have a new game plan and did some research; I discovered that this paint requires a 75% overlap (I did about 50% the first time); also they recommend a 1.5mm tip, I used a 1.3mm the first time. I am not reducing the paint (although I probably should to reduce orange peel but didn't buy any from this brand of paint).

Today is the day, wish me luck and stand by...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 26, 2017 - 11:51:34 am
Well I got it done, but of course not without pain. I painted the valances, mirrors and bumpers first thinking that if there was a problem Id rather see it there first as they are easier to fix. They sprayed out awesome, so I was very happy until... I shot the first coat on the car and it just didn't seem like it was laying down, the second coat covered better but orange peel began to develop. I ended up putting 4 coats down with very good coverage and overlap. It is shiny but it has a fair amount of orange peel but it very consistent. I suspect this was a result of the humidity which was high (84%), temp was around 70 (67 when I started, 73 when I finished). All told, I am happy with the coverage just not looking forward to wet sanding and buffing. One upside was that I back taped the black areas and was very focused on laying down straight clean lines. I put the tape on the edge of the black with just a hint of black showing. The result is that it really cleaned up the lines (not that they were bad before), but they look very crisp now.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on July 26, 2017 - 12:32:47 pm
Is it going to be cleared also? Sorry if I missed that.
Should be awsome....again.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Edison1970 on July 26, 2017 - 06:48:11 pm
Looks great.  The sanding part does stink.  I just finished mine.  I screwed up a little though.  Picked up a dirt particle while sanding in a few spots so I'll have to do a some more sanding later to get the scratches out. 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on July 26, 2017 - 09:57:28 pm
Congrats. 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 26, 2017 - 10:29:00 pm
Is it going to be cleared also? Sorry if I missed that.
Should be awsome....again.

No, the clear is in the paint. I am done spraying (hopefully)  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 26, 2017 - 10:29:50 pm
Looks great.  The sanding part does stink.  I just finished mine.  I screwed up a little though.  Picked up a dirt particle while sanding in a few spots so I'll have to do a some more sanding later to get the scratches out.

Yeah it never seems to end for sure.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 27, 2017 - 01:02:24 am
Congrats.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on July 30, 2017 - 12:57:51 pm
 :ylsuper:   :cheers: Nice work Mike!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 30, 2017 - 01:14:20 pm
Getting almost time to begin "cutting and buffing"; I am being lazy and procrastinating but I did want to let it sit for a while.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 31, 2017 - 11:27:43 pm
Well I am back to familiar ground, that being sanding...  :pullinghair: I have half the car sanded with 1000, after I am done with that I am going to do it again with 1500 and then 2000. After that it is on to buffing and polishing and calling it done. I have come to the conclusion that trying to get absolutely every speck of orange peel out is a waste of my time and only inviting problems. I did a test on the front valance, I sanded half of it with 1000 and then went through the 3 stages of 3M Perfect it. I sanded the other half with 1000, then 1500 and then 2000 and then went through the 2 stages of Perfect It. While I would agree that on the half with only the 1000, you can see more sanding scratches than the other side but I have to admit that it is pretty minor. This is the problem with having some OCD going on...

When I began this project I developed the motto "remember the project" in an attempt to keep me from going down too many rabbit holes. While it has worked most cases, I have failed in many others, however as it relates to this paint I need to accept what it is and what I want it to be. When I began painting it I said it was going to be shiny and green, that is where I am now focused and I have to force myself from obsessing over little things that will not matter in the end. Yes I am "settling"... I am good with it, I need to get this car put together!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on July 31, 2017 - 11:28:30 pm
:ylsuper:   :cheers: Nice work Mike!

Thanks Randy, hope you are having better success than I am  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on August 01, 2017 - 01:00:18 am
Thanks Randy, hope you are having better success than I am  :bigsmile:

Have slowed down a little but still making progress.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 01, 2017 - 11:21:30 am
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: usraptr on August 02, 2017 - 06:43:55 pm
The paint really looks good!  :2thumbs:  I need to start cutting and buffing mine also, but I keep putting it off and doing other things.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 02, 2017 - 06:56:54 pm
The paint really looks good!  :2thumbs:  I need to start cutting and buffing mine also, but I keep putting it off and doing other things.  :bigsmile:

I am doing that now...  :bigsmile:

Actually some life issues have intervened and it has gotten pretty hot here. Also, I ordered some more supplies that I am waiting on... that should be enough excuses for now... lol
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 10, 2017 - 01:01:04 am
Just an update, have finally got the car sanded which seemed to take forever. I did have an issue or 2 but overcame them (or decided I could live with them...  :bigsmile:). Now its on to buffing and polishing.. Might start tomorrow, I really need to get this done and move on.

For anyone wanting to know what I have done, I sanded it with 1000 grit first to level out any orange peel (yes I had some...), then went to 1500 and finally to 2000. The "tricky" thing here is that when you first do it with the 1000, you will see spots (literally) that is the orange peel. The spots are lower than what you have knocked down, your inclination will be to keep sanding to get rid of the spots, however you will find out (perhaps the hard way) that depending on how much paint you have on the car, you will burn through requiring a repaint. However if you sand it with the 1000 to get it somewhat even, the 1500 will get you even closer and the 2000 closer yet. The 2000 is really to get the sand scratches to a point you can buff them out. All this said and as it relates to me, I am willing to accept the fact that there are some places that have a small amount of peel. Trying to get it all out has proven not only difficult but all too often catastrophic in that I burned through the paint far too many times. I am sure a professional would not have had the issues I did, but I did get a lot of experience learning here.  :cooldancing:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2017 - 10:22:02 am
Well here it is.... cut and buffed, looking all shiny..  :bigsmile: (again). For wondering, yes I would do it again (not on this car...) and I am sure I will. This is far from perfect but it is perfect enough for me. Definitely is shiny and green which were the original mission parameters.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cazbah362 on August 12, 2017 - 10:34:22 am
Nice work, very nice looking car! 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: AARuFAST on August 12, 2017 - 08:43:23 pm
Looks good from here............lets ride
Here is my sons Cuda he had refurbished. 7 yrs.
Viper green.
440 - 6 pack.
was black interior to white.
From Petty blue to Viper green.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 12, 2017 - 11:17:44 pm
Thanks all. This car was originally Petty blue, then painted black over that and not sublime (not true Mopar Sublime).

Now just have to put it together.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on August 12, 2017 - 11:52:02 pm
Looks great, good job!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on August 13, 2017 - 12:11:32 pm
Looks great Mike. Look forward to seeing it again one of these days.  :cheers:
F&B on my wish list for the ragtop.
Have to finish the fastback first. There is always a reason for not getting things done as fast as I would like. :money: :money:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 13, 2017 - 12:38:25 pm
Thanks Randy and Brad, I appreciate it. I am going to start getting the wiring harness and EFI harness routed and sorted. The EFI harness needs to be shortened some, originally I had left it as it came but there was a lot of excess wiring which I tired to hide, but since it is all apart I will take the time to fit it correctly (never enough time to do it right but always enough time to do it twice...). I need to get the dash assembled and wired up, but I need to make some connectors so that I can install the dash and just plug everything together. I also need to figure out how I am going to start and turn off the car, I was going with a master switch and then a push button (like a race car) but then I bought a push on - off button, however I am not sure I like it (was on the cheap end).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cudaragtop on August 13, 2017 - 12:47:43 pm
Got an iKey-RS for the fastback. Thought I got the idea from a post by you...  :clueless:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on August 13, 2017 - 08:29:48 pm
Awesome.  Looking forward to seeing your assembly progress.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 13, 2017 - 11:51:12 pm
Got an iKey-RS for the fastback. Thought I got the idea from a post by you...  :clueless:

Thanks Randy, I have looked at them a number of times but they are more complicated than what I need. The system I currently have is basically just a on-accessory-off system which is what I wanted. My question is really how well it will work, but I intend on mocking it all up before I actually spend a lot of time installing it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 13, 2017 - 11:52:55 pm
Awesome.  Looking forward to seeing your assembly progress.

Thanks, hopefully it will begin soon. I need to make some tow rings (one front and one back) first (more because I have been thinking about it for a long time).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on August 14, 2017 - 10:09:35 pm
I agree.  you've had me thinking about tow point also.  The front spoiler becomes an issue for sure.  I was hoping to use the rear axle but here too I have a thru valance for exhaust so it hangs low.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 15, 2017 - 12:28:32 pm
I looked at the car and have a tentative plan for the front for sure, its going to take a fair amount of fabrication but of I am going to have a tow point it has to be fully functional. Now having painted bumpers there isn't anymore pushing it anywhere, so I am left with pulling it (I will have to move the car from bay to bay occasionally in order to put the car on the lift, but I don't want to leave it there because I use the lift for other things).

I will post pictures as it goes along.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 19, 2017 - 12:01:18 pm
As promised, here are some pictures. I looked at the car closely and thought through what would happen if the car would be towed from this point. Specifically I had to think through where the force was going to be applied and what other components could be affected. No use in having a tow loop that if you use it your valance, bumper, etc are going to be damaged in the process. So, I decided that the best place for the tow point to be located would be directly in the center where the license plate would reside. Here is WA because of the age of the car, we can get a "collector" plate which only has to be displayed in the rear, this leaves the front open. However I intend to still have the capability to put a front plate "just in case".

I decided to put a solid bar running between the 2 inner bumper brackets. I used a piece of 1 1/8" square stock, drilled holes on the end and tapped them 1/2 x 13 and installed the bar using grade 8 1/2" bolts. Another design consideration is that it had to be removable, so this was the best method.

At this point I have a solid mounting point, what I am struggling with is the tow point design. If I make the loop so that it faces horizontally (like most you see on race cars); I have to lower the tow point itself to all room for a tow strap; so that under load the strap isn't pushed against the bumper (would probably remove the paint or at a minimum damage it). I am leaning towards making it sit vertically which solves the other problem but I don't think it will be all that good looking. So, now I am thinking vertical is the way to go but it needs to be removable (similar in concept to a receiver hitch on a truck).

I am going to work on this today so we will see what I come up with.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on August 19, 2017 - 03:11:31 pm
What about a smaller "resse hitch" style design. Something that can be removed with a  trailer hitch style pin.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 19, 2017 - 11:49:09 pm
What about a smaller "resse hitch" style design. Something that can be removed with a  trailer hitch style pin.

That's basically where I am going with it. Almost done, have to make a few adjustments and then finish welding it up. I will warn everyone, it is probably way over built but that's how I roll...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 20, 2017 - 11:37:21 pm
Finally got the tow loop done, waiting on a grille hardware kit before I put it all together. Going to paint the grille and lower valance insert satin black; I think I will use that paint that peels off "just in case". Also got the rear bumper on, starting to look like a car (albeit slowly).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 24, 2017 - 10:23:30 pm
I posted this in the body shop section and haven't gotten a lot of responses but.... I bought this grille hardware kit and am wondering if anyone can tell me what goes where; specifically the black plastic blocks and the white round ones; however a complete description would be cool.  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: usraptr on August 26, 2017 - 11:21:04 am
The cut and buff came out really nice!  What a shine.  :cheers:   Tow loop fabrication is slick.  :2thumbs:   I going to be checking this for updates on the grill hardware as I'm close to putting mine in also.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on August 26, 2017 - 01:34:15 pm
I posted this in the body shop section and haven't gotten a lot of responses but.... I bought this grille hardware kit and am wondering if anyone can tell me what goes where; specifically the black plastic blocks and the white round ones; however a complete description would be cool.  :bigsmile:
Only a guess but the two #7 look like they could be licence plate bumpers. #6 I would emagine there are square holes they fit into. If not then, could they be for mounting emblems to the grill itself?

Mike
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 26, 2017 - 02:52:50 pm
I don't think that is what those round things are for, according to what I have found out they are "headlight bezel mounting". The square blocks are to mount the grille to the header panel. The J clips are used in several places to include 3 per side for the headlight trim rings.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 26, 2017 - 02:55:15 pm
The cut and buff came out really nice!  What a shine.  :cheers:   Tow loop fabrication is slick.  :2thumbs:   I going to be checking this for updates on the grill hardware as I'm close to putting mine in also.  :popcorn:

Thanks, I appreciate it. I think many who looked at the tow hook are thinking "man that's huge"... It actually isn't as big as it seems. I will post pictures when I get it all together.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on August 31, 2017 - 10:34:56 pm
Finally got back to the car, spent about 5 hours on it. First time this car has had a face since I have owned it. Spoiler is just to see how it looks, I will probably remove it during assembly.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on September 01, 2017 - 01:59:28 am
looking good!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 01, 2017 - 12:09:11 pm
looking good!

Thanks, its been a long time coming.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: YellowThumper on September 01, 2017 - 06:18:17 pm
Finally got back to the car, spent about 5 hours on it. First time this car has had a face since I have owned it. Spoiler is just to see how it looks, I will probably remove it during assembly.
Did you paint a mural of bushes on your driver's front fender?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 01, 2017 - 06:58:50 pm
pretty good job isn't it.. love me some bushes...  :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 01, 2017 - 08:19:40 pm
Did you get the answer to your question on the blocks included in the brille hardware?  Those slide into cut-out in the header panel ans screw in points.  The metal screws then insert through the grill into the blocks.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 01, 2017 - 08:38:54 pm
Did you get the answer to your question on the blocks included in the brille hardware?  Those slide into cut-out in the header panel ans screw in points.  The metal screws then insert through the grill into the blocks.

Yes and no; I was told about the square blocks several times, so that was good (in fact Crash240 sent me pictures). The thing I was more interested in was the round "spacers" (round white plastic pieces that looked to be pushing to a square hole). Upon looking at my front end and test fitting my grille I determined that they were not to be used (at least as far as I could determine). Everything lined up, every hole has a screw in it, so I don't know what those round deals are (someone called them Mollys). Perhaps they were used on a 72 or something  :dunno:
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cazbah362 on September 01, 2017 - 08:46:31 pm
That look nice!
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 01, 2017 - 08:49:18 pm
That look nice!

Thank you, long road to get here and still some more to go.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 02, 2017 - 12:43:09 am
Didn't get a lot done today, removed the front spoiler to keep it from being damaged, removed my previously installed Accumsump oil lines. I decided that I don't want to use the Accusump as it takes up a lot of space and to be honest I doubt I will ever need it. If I do get to a point where I am actually going to road race the car, then I will reinstall it

I did get my waaayy complex power steering system hooked up. Basically it allows me to dial in the pressure/feel that I want (in theory anyway).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 05, 2017 - 04:53:55 pm
I have been getting some small things done on the car, mainly sorting out the brakes. For those interested; I built my own brake system using 13" Wilwood rotors and Viper calipers in the front and 11" Wilwood rotors and 95 Cobra calibers in the rear. The one thing I always meant to do was to drill and tap holes for screws to hold the rotors in alignment, mainly because whenever you remove a wheel, the rotor somewhat "dangles" and because IMO I think the screws should be there  :bigsmile:

Anyway, this wasn't a big deal although it did take some time. I used 1/4x28 grade 8 screws which I happened to have a lot of. Not real big issues other than braking one bit off, but I did notice that in the rear it seemed like the screws were binding, not a lot just a little and they did go in without much trouble. However, after I thought I was done I for some reason really began looking at the whole set up and discovered that the rear rotors were not sitting against the axles, rather they were bearing on the shanks of the wheel studs (unthreaded part at the back). So I removed the rotors (again) and measured the shanks, turns out they are 5/8" whereas the holes in the rotors are 1/2". So of course I drilled them out and ended up gaining 1/4" tire clearance to boot  :bananasmi
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 05, 2017 - 04:58:01 pm
I am using a Kwik Wire harness for the car which I bought a long time ago. Nice set, 22 circuits I believe, all of the wires are labeled and are long enough for most applications. I will be building a relay panel and wanted to ask you guys if I should add headlight relays? My gut is saying I should but this harness has 2 high beam and 2 low beam wires and has a 25 amp fuse. I have to build a relay panel for the fan anyway, so I am thinking just do it all at once (the harness has an electric fan lead, but recommends a relay).

thoughts?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: brads70 on September 05, 2017 - 09:08:52 pm
I am using a Kwik Wire harness for the car which I bought a long time ago. Nice set, 22 circuits I believe, all of the wires are labeled and are long enough for most applications. I will be building a relay panel and wanted to ask you guys if I should add headlight relays? My gut is saying I should but this harness has 2 high beam and 2 low beam wires and has a 25 amp fuse. I have to build a relay panel for the fan anyway, so I am thinking just do it all at once (the harness has an electric fan lead, but recommends a relay).

thoughts?
Yes I would , it takes all the load off the 45 plus year old headlight switch.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 05, 2017 - 09:53:19 pm
I used a Coach Controls power center unit to manage the electrical components.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 05, 2017 - 11:18:02 pm
Thanks all.

I decided to you a Bussmann 15303-2 rely/fuse block; holds 5 relys and 10 fuses with a waterproof cover.

I am going to be using a Street Works Hot Dot ignition system, the button is a bit small but fits well.

Got my rear tow loop done and installed.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 05, 2017 - 11:44:26 pm
I used a Coach Controls power center unit to manage the electrical components.

Nice systems, a bit more than I need at this point.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 06, 2017 - 02:34:35 pm
I am going to post over in the electrical thread, but I thought Id throw it out here, what are your opinions on Metri pack vs. Weather pack vs deutsch connectors? I have been using weatherpack for sometime and am generally happy with them, however I am always looking for a better mouse trap...
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: Cazbah362 on September 09, 2017 - 12:17:19 pm
Again, great work, I like the brake system.  I bought a kit from Dr. Diff, worked nice all the way down to the E-brake.  I think they are based on the modern Cobra systems, but not totally sure right now.  As for the electrical, I will be a voyeur on that thread as well.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 09, 2017 - 12:31:01 pm
I looked at a lot of kits to include Cass's (Dr Diff); I decided to weld my caliper mounts to the rear end for simplicity sake. We will see how it works out.

I am slowly getting into the electrical; had to order a number of components. I will be making wiring diagrams/schematics to go along with my installation, I just have to decide how I want to do that (hand draw, power point or Visio).

I will try and remember to get pictures along the way, if there is something someone really wants to see, let me know.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 09, 2017 - 07:56:04 pm
Fortunately my son works with electronics and is handling the my wiring.  He tried to follow the service manual but our power control center complicated matching it. I had issues with the labelled wires not being a sufficient variety.  He will also be drawing wire schematics.  Will you be trying to replicate the original wiring?  I have the schematics if you some references.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 09, 2017 - 10:06:33 pm
I am using a street rod type wiring harness, all the wires are labeled as most are these days. I am building a lot of the system myself because I have so many sub-systems to deal with.

Here is the battery blocks I just bought

Here is what I am starting with

Here is my electrical book, I have quite a few of these currently, one for engine, one for brakes/suspension, one for paint, one for electrical....

Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 09, 2017 - 10:10:39 pm
I found this in my electrical pile, looks to be a 71 Challenger/Cuda console and perhaps cassette harness. Not sure what I am going to do with it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 14, 2017 - 02:47:04 pm
Progress has been slow for the most part, lots of preparing, ordering small parts, etc. I managed to get the master cylinder installed, all of the brake lines connected. I also installed the carpet mainly because I will be doing a lot of interior work and having the carpet in is much easier on the knees. I did get the trunk mat in and trimmed around all of my additions (battery and antenna).

On a bad note, while working on some electrical components (trunk light, which I am not going to use) I managed to knock my switch panel off of the bench and of course is landed on my rear window defroster switch breaking it into a number of pieces. I tried using Gorilla glue initially but it looked like crap and didn't really work. I then ordered a Bondic kit and used that; I have to say that it is very useful and every tool box should have a set. Basically you apply the liquid resin (fairly thick, doesn't run easily) and then hit is with the supplied UV light to harden it. Really useful for fixing plastic bits; however you should know that it isn't really a glue, if you apply it and then contour the part and in doing so remove the Bondic material it will fall apart, you must "V" out the joints and/or drill some small holes for the material to grip.

Going to install the headliner soon and get it out of the way, then back to the electrical.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 14, 2017 - 09:13:29 pm
Nice progress.  These items have also slowed me down.  I am about to buy a headliner and sail panels.  I'm looking at Legendary black non-perforated but am unsure why there is a perforated option.  My original 1973 green headliner was non-perforated so I was thinking to just use that. style. Legendary also seems a bit more costly then Roseville. What product and style are you installing?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 14, 2017 - 11:33:13 pm
Nice progress.  These items have also slowed me down.  I am about to buy a headliner and sail panels.  I'm looking at Legendary black non-perforated but am unsure why there is a perforated option.  My original 1973 green headliner was non-perforated so I was thinking to just use that. style. Legendary also seems a bit more costly then Roseville. What product and style are you installing?

I am not really sure who made the one I have (Crash340 gave it to me), but it us perforated for sure. I don't really care that much about whether it is or not, just need a headliner. the problem I discovered today is that the rear bow pivots on a hole that is in the head liner retainer (the metal plate that has the saw teeth on the bottom) and as it turns out that I am missing one. I had thought that the bow went into one of the holes in the roof substructure but no matter which hole  put it into it wasn't correct. Finally I went and looked for the retainer plates (found one) and after looking at it and where it positions the bow, that is what I need. In this picture, my bow goes into the bottom rear hole (of the 3 holes grouped together)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 15, 2017 - 07:27:55 am
Thanks. I did not tear down my interior. I only removed the saw tooth brackets for the sail panels.  I suspect that I too am missing the parts as I paw through the few remaining boxes.  I had planned on ordering the clips but there are two types I've seen, one is triangular (likely the one) and the other is more like a clip.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 15, 2017 - 12:40:46 pm
73 doesn't use clips, the bows go into holes in the roof substructure.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 15, 2017 - 09:35:39 pm
Thanks.  I spoke with Legendary.  There are clips to secure the headliner edges.  As for the Bow retainers don't state a year.  You saved me $34. Thanks.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 15, 2017 - 11:21:12 pm
Very welcome and thank you because now I guess I am going to have to look for the clips you are talking about, got any pictures?
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 15, 2017 - 11:25:58 pm
Here are some pictures of my headliner installation process, far from done but this might be useful to someone here. In the pictures showing the bows going into the roof substructure (black background), I took the picture with the bows in the bottom hole, however I ended up putting the bows 3 and 4 (from the back counting forward) in the top holes for proper fitment.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: redo1973 on September 16, 2017 - 08:00:32 am
These are the headliner clips from Legendary located in Newark, NY.  Item number HLCLIP
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on September 17, 2017 - 11:11:25 am
Thanks I should have them. I need to look
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 09, 2017 - 02:11:08 pm
I finally have gotten back to the Cuda. I do have the headliner clips, so that is good. I need to figure out where they go exactly although I think I can probably guess. I believe I have 6 of them (3 per side); if anyone can provide some idea of where they should be placed I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 09, 2017 - 02:20:30 pm
to a new subject (electrical). I am in the process of laying out my wiring and determining what goes where and what other items I need. I am using an aftermarket "hot rod" wiring harness just to be clear. The one thing I am struggling a little with is a relay box; I intend to install relays on the passenger side of the engine compartment to handle my headlights (high and low), driving lights and fans. I have a number of relay boxes as well as a Bussmann fused relay box which is what I was thinking of using. The question is "do I need fuses as well as relays since the lines are fused at the main fuse panel?".

what I have available is a relay panel (actually have several) and a fused relay panel. Id appreciate any thoughts on this as I am torn about it currently. the main issue is space; the fuse/relay panel is large and I am going to be running a 150 amp fuse off of the alternator in the same area. With this car I spent a inordinate amount of time trying to make it tidy. These are the 2 boxes I have.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 73440 on December 09, 2017 - 09:05:22 pm
http://www.restorick.com/tech/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7 (http://www.restorick.com/tech/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7)

Maybe that info is located here.

http://www.restorick.com/tech/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46 (http://www.restorick.com/tech/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46)
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 09, 2017 - 10:19:54 pm
Thanks, I have read those, but might have passed over it. Not a big deal either way.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 09, 2017 - 10:25:38 pm
So I have decided to use the Bussmann relay/fuse box (called a RTMR). This will allow me to use a fused relay on 4 circuits (high beams, low beams, fans and driving lights). I am going to build a panel to hold it all plus the 150 amp fuse from the alternator.
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on December 10, 2017 - 05:40:21 pm
If you havenít bought that busman panel yet, I think I have one. Iíll sell it with the pins for a good deal. I bought new and changed directions.

What is the alt output and what gauge wire are you running? 150a is pretty substantial. You may consider a breaker for that application, that way if something intermittently pops the fuse/breaker, you can reset it and get home. A fuse is a little more trouble to find another.


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on December 10, 2017 - 05:44:30 pm
For what itís worth, I started with a painless harness and tried to use a supplemental fuse and relay box. I found that I would just have two boxes, nothing labeled right, different size fuses and such. So I cut out the painless fuse box and redid it all.

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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 10, 2017 - 06:58:52 pm
If you havenít bought that busman panel yet, I think I have one. Iíll sell it with the pins for a good deal. I bought new and changed directions.

What is the alt output and what gauge wire are you running? 150a is pretty substantial. You may consider a breaker for that application, that way if something intermittently pops the fuse/breaker, you can reset it and get home. A fuse is a little more trouble to find another.


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Just to be clear, I am not installing the panel as my main fuse panel, this is purely for the relays to my lights and fans. that said, I did buy the Bussmann 1503-2-4 panel which houses 5 relays and 10 fuses. My alternator is a 120 amp Denso (from a early 90s Dakota). I thought about the circuit breaker but decided on the fuse because... well just went that way...  :bigsmile:

Right now I am researching whether or not I need to run a charge wire back to the battery. In my challenger (original style harness) I do not have one and in the past I never ran one when I mounted the battery in the trunk (not saying its right).

I do enjoy wiring, just so many options and things to keep in mind it can be very confusing. I am somewhat at a design stage of sorts mainly for the additions I have made (Halogen headlights and driving lights, and the electric fans as well as the EFI and MSD ignition).
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 10, 2017 - 06:59:58 pm
For what itís worth, I started with a painless harness and tried to use a supplemental fuse and relay box. I found that I would just have two boxes, nothing labeled right, different size fuses and such. So I cut out the painless fuse box and redid it all.

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So are you using both boxes? Sorry you confused me a little there.
Title: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on December 10, 2017 - 07:04:09 pm
So are you using both boxes? Sorry you confused me a little there.

Old = left, New = right

I removed the painless fuse box entirely. Every fuse and every relay for the car are in one spot.

Iím the same. I really enjoy wiring but it can take an enormous amount of time to plan and execute. I think I spent 3 months wiring before I powered anything. By then I was tired of it!

My charge wire essentially stops at my firewall. Even with everything loaded up I canít draw more than 60a [150a alt].  I put an inductive ammeter on my car to log, itís interesting to watch sometimes. 


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 10, 2017 - 07:07:29 pm
Old = left, New = right

I removed the painless fuse box entirely. Every fuse and every relay for the car are in one spot.

Iím the same. I really enjoy wiring but it can take an enormous amount of time to plan and execute. I think I spent 3 months wiring before I powered anything. By then I was tired of it!


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Definitely a good call, your box looks very nice. Well I have been working on this car for like 10 years, so I guess I have time. I will not say I am OCD about wiring but I definitely like it to be tidy and clean in most cases (my rat rod isn't as tidy as I would have liked but I will get around to cleaning the wiring up one day, its all good and functional just a little chaotic under the dash). 
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 10, 2017 - 11:33:12 pm
So here is what I am planning, basically this is what I am running in my challenger
Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on December 11, 2017 - 09:55:00 am
Looks fine to me. How are you passing the fuse box power through the firewall?


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Title: Re: 73 Road Race Cuda
Post by: 70chall440 on December 11, 2017 - 12:27:37 pm
I relocated the fuse box to a place above the accelerator pedal and have all of the wiring passing through a hole with a grommet on the far left side (I believe that it is a factory round hole). I closed up the original fuse block hole.