Author Topic: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.  (Read 28250 times)

Offline ReturnofCuda

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2005 - 10:01:00 AM »
You REALLY want a fast car for the strip, then, get a Fox body.  They are light as hell, and have a huge aftermarket, and, can be done cheaply.  As for sub compacts, go to www.importforum.com , and ask this question.  Most of the members will agree with us here, and say that old Muscle rules the strip.
It looks like it comes down to money. With enough money you could put a riding mower into the 7 second bracket. Like I said it's the numbers, all the kids have the buzz bombs. :rice: I did find out that as far as factory cars go, the big block cars would blow most away, unless you got over $100,000 to spend on one. :banghead:
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2005 - 02:53:44 PM »
I don't think you guys have been paying attention to what's out there and what you can accomplish with a "sport compact" class car.

Go to Gary's page and scroll down the left frame to his hall of fame and see all the 9, 10, 11 and 12 second FWD mopars http://www.thedodgegarage.com/

You can take a stock Dodge Omni turbo and for less than $1000 dollar investment have it in the 11's. The turbo Mitsubishi Eclipses will do the same thing as well as the Subaru WRX, Neon SRT-4 and the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO.

Stock SRT-4's will run 13's with better tires and a good driver. The new Suburu WRX sti is even faster off the lot with it's awd and 300HP tubo 4.

Someone mentioned give me $50K. For that amount I could put together ten 11 second 2.2 turbo mopars of your choosing. 

There's a awd Mitsubishi Eclipse 2.0 turbo that runs 9's at NE Dragway. It's the guys daily driver and drives from RI to NH races turns his 9's at NE Dragway and drives it home.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2005 - 08:27:31 PM »
I don't think you guys have been paying attention to what's out there and what you can accomplish with a "sport compact" class car.

Go to Gary's page and scroll down the left frame to his hall of fame and see all the 9, 10, 11 and 12 second FWD mopars http://www.thedodgegarage.com/

You can take a stock Dodge Omni turbo and for less than $1000 dollar investment have it in the 11's. The turbo Mitsubishi Eclipses will do the same thing as well as the Subaru WRX, Neon SRT-4 and the Mitsubishi Lancer EVO ......run 13's with better tires and a good driver. The new Suburu WRX sti is even faster off the lot with it's awd and 300HP tubo 4.


WRX Subarus will run a stock 1/4 in 14.2-14.5 they'll hit the 60mph in 5.5. You won't get any jappa in the 11 second 1/4 bracket for $1,000.

I choose to ignore the comment on that $1K upgrade to a Dodge Omni to make it run 11's.  :bs:


The Subaru is only 280bhp or 205kw. I own  99 Subaru GTB Wagon and my Dad owns a 99 Subaru RSK both Twi-Turbos and all Subarus have AWD. He's selling his for his 32 Ford Cuope project and mines just a daily drive. Lovely car, it's completely stock except muffler to get that Boxer engine sound which is IMO the best jappa sound out, and I get good gas but it aint got anything on the Dodge.

The lag, the lag! It sucks  :banghead: Get a decent launch and it dies then picks up.
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2005 - 08:39:59 PM »
Without NoS (cuz either car could use it, but no self-respecting Muscle car driver would use it)
:laughing: ;D  :iagree: :patriot:


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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2005 - 11:48:03 PM »
WRX Subarus will run a stock 1/4 in 14.2-14.5 they'll hit the 60mph in 5.5. You won't get any jappa in the 11 second 1/4 bracket for $1,000.

I choose to ignore the comment on that $1K upgrade to a Dodge Omni to make it run 11's. :bs:


The Subaru is only 280bhp or 205kw. I own 99 Subaru GTB Wagon and my Dad owns a 99 Subaru RSK both Twi-Turbos and all Subarus have AWD. He's selling his for his 32 Ford Cuope project and mines just a daily drive. Lovely car, it's completely stock except muffler to get that Boxer engine sound which is IMO the best jappa sound out, and I get good gas but it aint got anything on the Dodge.




That is not entirely correct.

My STi is 300 HP and 300 Ft Lb of Tk. with a 6 speed. Not the NZ or Ausy version.

You guys can't really believe that you can make a 70 Plymouth (or Dodge) handle like a 911 or a Subaru WRX or a Saturn. Come on, you can't live in the past forever. I drive both of them all the time. There is nothing you can bolt under your nose-heavy 440 that is going to make it handle like one of these cars.

And the STi does the 0-60 thing in as little as 4.6 sec.

Don't get me wrong, I've been working on my Cuda for 26 years. It's great.  Cars have come a long way in 35 years. The "Hemi Cuda" of today isn't a big block. It may not be an import, but that is debatable.

Most of all keep an open mind. You might be missing out on a good thing. If you get a chance to drive a Mitsu Evo or a Sti give it a try, then bolt a rocket engine to your Dodge.
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2005 - 12:37:06 AM »
 :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:    I love my E-Bodies and all MOPAR and serious speed. that said  I love to watch

NOPI Tunervision  on speed t.v.    Freaken fast cars & hot chicks    why can't NHRA & IHRA  add a bikini contest  :nono:

but those cars aren't street legal
Why are the only other cars on the road all in my rear view mirror? Oh yeah cause I got a 440/6 pack

Thank you GOD for the "Go Fast Division"

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2005 - 12:41:51 AM »
That is not entirely correct.

My STi is 300 HP and 300 Ft Lb of Tk. with a 6 speed. Not the NZ or Ausy version.

You guys can't really believe that you can make a 70 Plymouth (or Dodge) handle like a 911 or a Subaru WRX or a Saturn. Come on, you can't live in the past forever. I drive both of them all the time. There is nothing you can bolt under your nose-heavy 440 that is going to make it handle like one of these cars.

And the STi does the 0-60 thing in as little as 4.6 sec.

Don't get me wrong, I've been working on my Cuda for 26 years. It's great. Cars have come a long way in 35 years. The "Hemi Cuda" of today isn't a big block. It may not be an import, but that is debatable.

Most of all keep an open mind. You might be missing out on a good thing. If you get a chance to drive a Mitsu Evo or a Sti give it a try, then bolt a rocket engine to your Dodge.
4.6 will be a misprint, they vary from magazine to magazine the medium being 5 flat.
The RSK-B4s are quicker and they are only good for 5.

OF COURSE you won't make a 440 Challenger handle like a Jappa, thats because they weren't built for corners, they were made for straight line speed. My Dodge will be ugly around corners but thats what I love. Straightline is what these cars of that era were about.

Subaru is big down here with us being a major Rally stage and hosting plenty of rally events.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2005 - 01:31:24 AM »
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I love my E-Bodies and all MOPAR and serious speed. that said I love to watch

NOPI Tunervision on speed t.v. Freaken fast cars & hot chicks why can't NHRA & IHRA add a bikini contest :nono:

but those cars aren't street legal

In my mind - anyway - that is what it's about. What good is a 9 sec car if you can't drive it in the rain? You need to be able to drive a "car" to work every day. I have built several cars that did not qualify under this standard, but they were fun.   (See Below)
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2005 - 09:43:42 AM »
Its availability. The kids today have the financial means to buy cars that are transportation. You cannot but a 1970 road runner off the lot for $15,000, or $5,000 used. We have collector cars and not a lot, but there are some, will beat on them as guinea pigs. The import cars are what is available and where the aftermarket is catering right now. Look at the size of the markets. Why make a new intake for a 440 when most of the cars are being restored as museum pieces, or are not hammered on the way they were in 1969 or 1970. Yes we hammered them then becasue if it broke we either went to the junkyard or the dealerand got new parts or a new car to replace it. The kids are doing the same today. What is available to them? The imports. And look at how they are taking to it!
but don't try to compare apples to oranges. While there are some musclecars still street racing these are not owned by the kids out there.
And watch what you say about some of those tuned imports - they are not all slugs by a long shot. Be careful. They can afford to boost their sewing machine powerplant to 20 psi - if it blows a replacement is in the junkyard. You're not going down the local junkyard to pick up a 426 or 440 anymore.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2005 - 10:05:02 AM »
Its availability. The kids today have the financial means to buy cars that are transportation. You cannot but a 1970 road runner off the lot for $15,000, or $5,000 used. We have collector cars and not a lot, but there are some, will beat on them as guinea pigs. The import cars are what is available and where the aftermarket is catering right now. Look at the size of the markets. Why make a new intake for a 440 when most of the cars are being restored as museum pieces, or are not hammered on the way they were in 1969 or 1970. Yes we hammered them then becasue if it broke we either went to the junkyard or the dealerand got new parts or a new car to replace it. The kids are doing the same today. What is available to them? The imports. And look at how they are taking to it!
but don't try to compare apples to oranges. While there are some musclecars still street racing these are not owned by the kids out there.
And watch what you say about some of those tuned imports - they are not all slugs by a long shot. Be careful. They can afford to boost their sewing machine powerplant to 20 psi - if it blows a replacement is in the junkyard. You're not going down the local junkyard to pick up a 426 or 440 anymore.

Very true.

For the last 25 of the 26 years I've hade my cuda I have been taking performance parts OFF of it. I think that I am finally rid of them all now. The best it ever did in the 1/4 was 14sec flat @ 100 MPH. Some of that was my fault. Never could get a good launch with the 4-speed and the tires I could afford at the time. I'm sure that it is SLOWER now.

Very used performance parts cheep!

By the way, in 1979 it had been modded to the point that it would not run.


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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2005 - 10:27:46 AM »



After they accept defeat to the 1/4 Mile Kings, they may babble about handling. Lemme just say that with a roll cage, and modern shocks/suspension, my Chally MATCHED a Porsche 911 in a slalomn race...and I was using bald 14" tires! I also went head-to-head with a Firefly with a full cage and turbo (I told him his car was 'gassy' cuz of the psshhh from the blow-off valve) and smoked him.

Altho I cheat, cuz my Detroit Iron is all fibreglass, so I knock off a few hiundred pounds. Not quite the weight of a Firefly, but power-to-weight is very good at around 7:1



I'd like to back this quote with this web page. Looks like he's got this autcross thing down pretty good
http://hometown.aol.com/pwall5/cars/2cudapag.html
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2005 - 11:00:54 AM »
I'd like to back this quote with this web page. Looks like he's got this autcross thing down pretty good
http://hometown.aol.com/pwall5/cars/2cudapag.html
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That looks nice.

I did a conversion with many of the same aspects to my 71 Demon. Basicly a 73 Volare front end susp. bolts on, disk brakes, Quicker Eng. kit on the bushings. You end up with 2 bolt patterns unless you change out the rear axils. It helped a lot esp. stopping

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2005 - 11:20:11 AM »
Ya, I know. Pictures!

Had those wheels made custom. As I recall they were 8 in. in the back X 14.

These picks I used for the Portland Roadster Show entry about 1983.

Could't find any pics of the front suspension, but I may have some around here somewhere.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2005 - 11:22:51 AM »
Love the stance it had. Very impressive i the first shot. :grinyes:

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2005 - 11:27:01 AM »
OH. and that is a 383 4-speed on a DC. k member. Which probably didn't help going around corners much.