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Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« on: February 17, 2005 - 04:54:26 PM »
The guys I work with are telling me the sport compacts rule the drag strip in the street legal classes. Does anyone have some solid facts that I can show these guys?
Doug
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2005 - 05:59:19 PM »
weight transfer works against front-drivers   :puke: :rice:

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2005 - 08:14:12 PM »
They are not all FWD.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2005 - 08:37:58 PM »
Its all about the mighty dollar. Show me one import that can run in he 13's without 30 grand into it. I watched a show on either Spped or Spike about tunning imports and they averaged 45G by the time all the body kits and so on was put on the car. The sad thing about it was they were running high 13's at best and were happy about it! Anyone can put a car into the 11's or 10's with enough money. Its all about the money. I'll put my car into the low 10's for under 15G. That's the big difference. If they need so much cash just to compete, is that worth mentioning? Or is it embarrassing. I lined up against a number of those things and not one was even worth remebering as a race. It can getting pretty boring beating the hell out those cars. One idiot tried me ut 4 times with a Typhoon on NOS. He lost. Every time. You think he would quit after the first two. Not that there aren't any fast imports. There's a Mitsubishi Type R that would kill me with an 11.2 sec past. I'm in the low 12's so thats about 20 car lengths I think. But the car starts out at 50G's. Give me half of that to put into my car and lets play. I'm not goiing to beat this to death any more than I already have. But that's why I still think the best 1/4 mile car was the 1990 5.0 Mustang. For the money you couldn't build anything that gave you so much in return for you investment. Any comments?

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2005 - 09:37:56 PM »
Does anyone have some solid facts that I can show these guys?
Thats easy, not muscle but a T-Bucket can easily get low 9's cost bugger all and is street legal, tell 'em that!

Not many Jappas can get low 10-11 second 1/4's without major mods to the engine and without sellinging there house.

I warm muscle car will pull low 13's, high 12's, but the owner and MEN know it could easily turn in low 10's and be street legal.  8)
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2005 - 10:40:13 PM »
Its all about the mighty dollar. Show me one import that can run in he 13's without 30 grand into it. I watched a show on either Spped or Spike about tunning imports and they averaged 45G by the time all the body kits and so on was put on the car. The sad thing about it was they were running high 13's at best and were happy about it! Anyone can put a car into the 11's or 10's with enough money. Its all about the money. I'll put my car into the low 10's for under 15G. That's the big difference. If they need so much cash just to compete, is that worth mentioning? Or is it embarrassing. I lined up against a number of those things and not one was even worth remebering as a race. It can getting pretty boring beating the hell out those cars. One idiot tried me ut 4 times with a Typhoon on NOS. He lost. Every time. You think he would quit after the first two. Not that there aren't any fast imports. There's a Mitsubishi Type R that would kill me with an 11.2 sec past. I'm in the low 12's so thats about 20 car lengths I think. But the car starts out at 50G's. Give me half of that to put into my car and lets play. I'm not goiing to beat this to death any more than I already have. But that's why I still think the best 1/4 mile car was the 1990 5.0 Mustang. For the money you couldn't build anything that gave you so much in return for you investment. Any comments?

:iagree:  I couldn't have said it any better.  More money with a like for something that'll make them look like every other person on the streets these days. :dontknow:  I go for personality, not how much I can make my car look like someone elses with all those darn body kits and "Noss", which we refer to as nitrous.  N.O.S. is a brand, not a word you can say all at once.  Man, does that get on my nerves.  K, I'm done. :tongue: :grinyes:
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2005 - 11:02:01 PM »
Here's a saying I made up and think it fits the bill p-e-r-f-e-c-t-l-y!

Only babies are on the bottle.  :laughing: :grinyes:
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2005 - 11:47:40 PM »
All of you are making excellent points. I'm looking for 1/4 mile stats to prove my point, which is the lower the E.T.'s get the less 4 banger and V6 cars you see. WE RULE THE LOW E.T.!!!! :grinyes:
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2005 - 12:22:04 AM »
Oh, if you want some slips, see if 74Chall could get you some copies the next time he takes his home-built '74 Challenger to the strip.  That'll show them a thing or two. :grinyes: :boxer: :boxer: :boxer:
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2005 - 12:31:00 AM »
I believe his name was Dan Shepherd. He was in law inforcement and with very few mods he was able to get his stang into the 9 second range and the car was still legal. Of course this old memory doesnt work like it use too.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2005 - 12:34:21 AM »
Come to think of it, I used to talk with another young gun on a teenager forum that had a '90 Fox 5.0 that ran in the mid 9's.  He had timeslips to back it all up and this was his daily driver.
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2005 - 12:50:05 AM »
From my research so far it looks like it's the sheer number of the cars. More of them than us. :dontknow:
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2005 - 12:52:31 AM »
I don’t think you cost comparisons are actually fair. First of all if you are comparing the cost of a new car with one that is 35 years old you must convert to today's dollar. After all, what would a 5k$ Hemi Cuda cost in today's dollars? I think that works out to considerably more than 30K. And, would it do a 13 sec 1/4 mile? Maybe. Now having said that what does a Hemi Cuda really cost today, 70 K or more?

If you go to any "enthusiast" website you will see claimes of what 'I can do with a few $$$". I don't doubt that many people can take a CHEEP old car and make it fast for a lot less than 30 K. People do it with domestics and imports all the time. But consider what most people like about our old muscle cars. They were FAST right out of the box.

I was going to High School in the 70's. I really wanted a Cuda or a Mustang (or anything fast) back then. What I got was a truck. It was practical. By the time I could afford a NEW, fast car, they were gone. (Think Mustang II) So in 1979 I bought my Cuda for $700 and pushed (pulled) it home. By the way, it has never run in the 13's but I still like it.

Kids, just out of high school today are not stuck with Mustang II's. The muscle cars are BACK. The only thing that you might have to get accustomed to is that some of them are made in Germany and Japan. You can’t blame these guys for wanting a practical car for "mom" to take to the grocery store that is also respectable at the track. What is amazing is that 3K lb car can go from 0-60 in less than 5 sec with an engine of less than 3L displacement for around 30K$, RIGHT out of the BOX!

So ya, if you bolt a rocket engine to an old Ford (or a Honda) it'll go fast. But, momma won't drive it. And after all the fastest 1/4 mile cars "can't" be driven on the street at all. I think it’s about doing the best with what you got, or can afford, as it was said. And, for people today, unlucky enough not to find an old Mopar in a barn or under a tree, that might be spelled import or Mustang or - - -
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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2005 - 01:47:02 AM »
You REALLY want a fast car for the strip, then, get a Fox body.  They are light as hell, and have a huge aftermarket, and, can be done cheaply.  As for sub compacts, go to www.importforum.com , and ask this question.  Most of the members will agree with us here, and say that old Muscle rules the strip.

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Re: Sport compacts vs. old muscle cars on drag strip.
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2005 - 09:58:22 AM »
Let's look at this in a practical way.

Give $50,000.00 to two teams, one Muscle, and one Rice. Goal is a streetable car to go head-to-head 1/4 mile.

For $50K, you could get a '72-'74 Cuda or Chally, drop in a 440, bore it, 10.75:1 comp pistons, B1 heads, Purple shaft cam, performance carb with an M1 single plane intake, cold-air intake, headers and an X-pipe exhaust, 727 tranny with shift-kit, tubbed, caged, modern suspension, glass fenders and hood, sure-grip 4.10:1 rearend, Mickey T's, simple paint job

For the same $50K, ya take a Civic, put in one of those Acura motors, or whatever, bored out, higher comp. pistons, performance injectors, cam, turbo inductor, intercoolers, caged/reinforced frame, performance tires (how do ya tub a FWD?) body kit, lowering kit, race-tuned suspension, carbon fibre hood etc

Without NoS (cuz either car could use it, but no self-respecting Muscle car driver would use it) and straight-up motor, I'd put my money on the Mopar. Not just for preference, but because there's no replacement for displacement! Rice is almost always quick cuz of nitrous. Take away the bottle, and it's another subcompact in the way on the highway.


After they accept defeat to the 1/4 Mile Kings, they may babble about handling. Lemme just say that with a roll cage, and modern shocks/suspension, my Chally MATCHED a Porsche 911 in a slalomn race...and I was using bald 14" tires! I also went head-to-head with a Firefly with a full cage and turbo (I told him his car was 'gassy' cuz of the psshhh from the blow-off valve) and smoked him.

Altho I cheat, cuz my Detroit Iron is all fibreglass, so I knock off a few hiundred pounds. Not quite the weight of a Firefly, but power-to-weight is very good at around 7:1
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