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CC Central => The Classics => Topic started by: Koby on December 20, 2012 - 03:07:49 PM
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Hello all,
My dad (Jerry Prater Seneca, MO) had a Plum Crazy T/A when he passed in 1987 in a car accident, I was 14 months old. My mom sold it to a friend of his shortly thereafter. I would love to find this car and possibly acquire it someday. I know that it was sold to Ward McGorder of Miami, OK and he later sold it to Dean Burwell in 1990. Dean Burwell supposedly bought and sold to Ron Slobe that owned R&R Salvage in Aurora, MO. I talked to Ron's widow, Cathy, she vaguely remembers a purple Challenger but has no idea what happened to it. Does anyone on here own a Challenger that was previously owned by Ron Slobe or know of the car I am talking about. I DO NOT have the VIN number and have run into dead ends with all leads trying to obtain the VIN number (license plate, DMV, insurance, bank, safe deposit box etc. It was an automatic and did have the original block and heads. At the time he had it, it did not have the White Vinyl top that it was supposed to and did not have any striping. It was supposedly special ordered by a gentleman in Colcord, OK and delivered to a dealership in Tulsa, OK. If you have any further leads or ideas for me, I would greatly appreciate it, this car would have lots of sentimental value to me if I could find it, because my dad loved it and I have no memories of him. Attached are the only pictures that my mom could find of the car.
Thanks for reading,
Koby Prater
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/RxApple/1970%20TA%20Public/Challenger3HighRes_zpsa5111e39.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/RxApple/1970%20TA%20Public/Challenger1HighRes_zps75c60615.jpg)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/RxApple/1970%20TA%20Public/Challenger2HighRes_zpse98633e3.jpg)
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Kool story. Hope u find the ride.
If it is a real T/A it may be painted correct with stripes and hood over time.
Good hunting.....
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You might want to drop Barry Washington a message over at http://www.hamtramck-historical.com (http://www.hamtramck-historical.com) He runs a registry and maybe some of those names are familiar to him.
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Well I wish you luck there hope you can find it. Barry and Moparts is your best chance.
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:iagree: Barry is the best guy to contact although there is another member that has a registry as well for these cars but I forgot who that was...
I think this is the site: http://www.aarta.com/frame.html (http://www.aarta.com/frame.html)
Another member, DAYTONA, has had many of the T/A cars and he might also be a good resource.
That hood scoop is very unique and if anyone has seen it in the past I'm sure it'll ring a bell.
Hope you find it! :thumbsup:
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Thanks for the ideas and encouragement guys. I was at my mom's house tonight and we were talking about it and she thought of one last place to check. She found the loan documents and they had the VIN! I had already been in contact with Barry Washington, so I emailed him immediately.
His reply follows:
"Hi Koby,
The good news is that yes, I have heard of it.
The bad news is that it is in Japan. There is actually a photo of it on the website at http://www.challengertaregistry.com/photos/members_cars/sn310331.jpg (http://www.challengertaregistry.com/photos/members_cars/sn310331.jpg)
I have not heard from the owner in quite a while, hopefully he & the car survived the earthquake & tsunami.
The stripes & graphics on it were painted on before he bought it, but it is coded for black stripes. There is nothing unusual about its order number or tag data, so it definitely was not a 'special order' from the factory.
I can try sending him an email if you like? I am sure he would like to see your vintage photos of it.
Barry"
So there it is, all the way in Japan....
(http://www.challengertaregistry.com/photos/members_cars/sn310331.jpg)
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Very cool! Barry came through! :clapping:
You should see if Barry can contact the owner. Don't stop now that you are so close!!!!! :bananasmi:
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Nice I am glad :woohoo: you at least found the car
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Wow! I wonder what's the story of how it got over there?
Anyhows, cool you know where it is. Drop him a line, never know when the owner might get tired of it... :2cents:
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Oh you know I'm dying to have it, will probably have to wait until I am older and have more money. Barry sent the guy an email, also said that the guy was very fluent in English and Barry didn't have much correspondence with him because of this. Barry said this one was new to him in 2005 when he was contacted by the owner. Fingers crossed that it survived the Earthquake and tsunami.
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Fantastic at least you found it and it survived up until 2005. Sadly I'm sure it would be a bit more pricy then a car in the US and then there is the shipping. I Wish you luck!
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I`m glad the car surfaced, way cool :2thumbs:
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That is one awesome Christmas Story!
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:thumbsup: Man...that's a great story. Your dad would be proud to know that his car was so highly valued. Hope you can make contact with it's new owner if both he and the car escaped the quake.
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very nice story i hope the car will return in your family one day :)
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Wow that is crazy man. Best of luck to you!
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cool you found it but it sicks its way over there... maybe he is a rich business man and is feeling generous in the holiday season and will give it to you lol
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That is nicest looking combination of colors I have ever seen on an E body.
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Currently in touch with owner that has it listed for sale, hopefully I'll be a T/A owner very soon. The car isn't numbers matching, but that's not what matters here. Big thanks to Barry in Alaska!
Now some more eye candy!
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What is the asking price and what kind money would it take to ship from Japan back to the US ?
I wouls think the current owner would have a lot invested having it shipped over seas...
I hope you get rid of the white T/A stripes, they look WRONG in my opinion. Same with the rear window louvers...just just don't belong with a white top.
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:wow: thats cool that you found it hope it all works out for yea
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Car has been in Japan since 1992. I personally like the white stripes with the white top, and am neutral on the window louvers.
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coolest story of the year... by far :clapping:
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$67,500 is priced just right for YOU.
You're getting a T/A that's worth $37,500 and paying an extra $30,000 just to have your Father's car back.
Nobody else on earth in their right mind would pay that much for that car. If the current owner knows it was your Father's and you want it back....I'm surprised he's not asking $100,000.00
The white top is correct (and rare for a T/A) according to the fender tag, but no T/A was ever built with white stripes and they look totally out of place in my opinion. The louvers were added as well, which weren't available with V1W.
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how are e-body prices in Japan anyway?
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I think that car looks totally awesome! Now that you have found the car, and it is for sale! I would sale a kidney or whatever it took to get my fathers car back if it meant that much to you!
I really wish you the best of luck with this!
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Is it just me or what? but my "spidey sense" is tingling? Something "smells wrong" to me?
Is that white T/A stripe photoshopped or something? :-\
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$67,500 is priced just right for YOU.
You're getting a T/A that's worth $37,500 and paying an extra $30,000 just to have your Father's car back.
Nobody else on earth in their right mind would pay that much for that car. If the current owner knows it was your Father's and you want it back....I'm surprised he's not asking $100,000.00
The white top is correct (and rare for a T/A) according to the fender tag, but no T/A was ever built with white stripes and they look totally out of place in my opinion. The louvers were added as well, which weren't available with V1W.
What? He doesn't know that first of all, and I have verified locally that is the advertised asking price. You've already stated your opinion on the stripes and louvers.
Is it just me or what? but my "spidey sense" is tingling? Something "smells wrong" to me?
Is that white T/A stripe photoshopped or something? :-\
No it's not photoshopped. I have over 50 pictures from two Japanese owners.
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I don't think that price is too far out of line if that's a real T/A. Even good clones get that kind of money at auction if they are really well done/show quality cars. The shipping is steep no doubt, but probably right for trans-Pacific.
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Hey...If I'm the only one that thinks this T/A is only worth $35k - $40K....... :villagers: Then ignore me.
Like others have said....Being your Father's car, it's obiviously PRICELESS to you...
If you have the funds, then the actual value doesn't matter.
Like I said, in my opinion you're paying a $30K premium for your Father's car... :2cents:
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No it's not photoshopped. I have over 50 pictures from two Japanese owners.
:2thumbs: Just for reference.... I paid just over $2700 to ship my Challenger from CA to me here in Ontario, Canada? So 4500 is not that bad all things considered! :2thumbs:
Just be carefull.... lots of scams out there!
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Since the car is overseas the price is going to be more then average. Do I think it's overpriced Yes.
The Stripes cool, if it were mine I'd change it to black but that's me. Would keep the louvers for sure.
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Hey...If I'm the only one that thinks this T/A is only worth $35k - $40K....... :villagers: Then ignore me.
Like others have said....Being your Father's car, it's obiviously PRICELESS to you...
If you have the funds, then the actual value doesn't matter.
Like I said, in my opinion you're paying a $30K premium for your Father's car... :2cents:
Never once did I say I was paying what he was asking.. There is a language barrier and time zone barrier, we haven't started negotiations yet. Yes I am wiling to pay more than what you guys are saying it's worth, but not 30k more.
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The shipping price seems pretty fair. Hope you work a deal and get the car. Would make a great article for a magazine.
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The shipping price seems pretty fair. Hope you work a deal and get the car. Would make a great article for a magazine.
Also, I am arranging shipping, that's just one quote. Once I have a deal finalized, I will do some more checking, if anyone has contacts involved with importing/exporting cars, it would be great to have a bunch of leads.
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Best if luck with being able to come to an agreement on a price & hopefully you can get the car back!!! :cheers:
Sent from the garage
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With importing, one thing you have to consider are customs and import fee's/taxes/duty etc once landed on your end. Be sure to look at that, as it won't be included in that shipping quote.
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Welcome rxapple! That is quite a story and I applaud you on your efforts to recover your fathers car! I would probably do the same if I was in your position. I wish you luck and hope that it all works out as you have planned. Look forward to your updates! :bigsmile:
:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Who knows how much more they are tacking on the price, if they even are upping the price because it's your dad's old car. Like someone mentioned, who knows what the market is like over there for these cars. Only thing I know for sure is that there are not many of those cars in Japan vs over here.
If it were me, as mentioned before, the car being your dads's old car, it is priceless. If you can afford it, go for it. You wouldn't want to have any regrets or thoughts like, "Yeah, I found my dad's old Challenger T/A but I didn't feel like spending the extra $$$ to get it back." and kick yourself for the rest of your life. Your dad only had this one Challenger T/A and if it's something really special, go for it. :grinyes:
One Debbie Downer thing to mention though as far as transporting it: I guess I would be really worried about people potentially taking it for joyrides or messing with it. Make sure you go with a very reputable company. There is a member here (Sledge Hammer) that sold his Challenger to someone I think in France and the car ended up getting stolen by people who worked the docks. Not trying to scare you but just want to to be careful.
It's a beautiful car. Hope all works out for you and you'll be happy. :thumbsup:
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Just for reference I shipped my Car from Georgia to my front door in Australia using http://www.schumachercargo.com/car-shipping/ (http://www.schumachercargo.com/car-shipping/) There shipping was painless and the car arrived in perfect condition
It was $1000 from Georgia to the LA docks (where the battery went flat, +$50 pushing fee)
Than $1526 to Sydney dock
Than 400, to my front door.
Total $2926 with an additional $1200 in customs
Schumacher also shipped my Brother's Camaro from Ohio for a similar price. When funds are sufficient and I import another car I'll defiantly use Schumacher again.
Good luck!
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As noted, White Stripes were not stock on T/A's, but must admit I really like the White Stripes in this instance given they match up well with the Rare White VT.
Best of success with your negotiations.
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Awesome story! Hope you get it.
more info please. More pics.
I can only see one image.
Is there an image of the fender tag?
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Just an update for everyone.
I have agreed to purchase the vehicle. The deposit has been sent and airfare has been booked. I'll be heading to Japan on January 21. Super excited, thank you all for all of your support.
Koby
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Wooo-hooo!!!! Hope the car is as great as you hope it to be! :thumbsup: :bananasmi
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that`s great news :2thumbs: congrats !
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That's awesome! Great end to the story, can't wait for pictures
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How much did you pay for it ? :dunno:
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How much did you pay for it ? :dunno:
No.
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You can't put a price on happiness, at least not one you're willing to share... :roflsmiley:
Anyways, congradulations. You set out to find your Father's car and followed through.....not many would :worshippy
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Dude, I'm so excited for you! :wow: :jumping: :bananasmi:
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Very nice story, congratulations!
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That's awesome that you were able to cut a deal with the seller!! You'll have to keep us all updated with how it is once you've managed to get it sent back to the states. :2thumbs:
Sent from the garage
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Good for you - great story!
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You might want to document your trip and get a hold of MCG to see if they would want to run a story on you and your dads car.
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That's funny - no
The price he paid is what he paid, can't be cheap coming from Japan!
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Photobucket album containing lots of pictures.
http://s601.beta.photobucket.com/user/RxApple/library/1970%20TA%20Public (http://s601.beta.photobucket.com/user/RxApple/library/1970%20TA%20Public)
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Awesome , great story , enjoy the car once you get it home :2thumbs:
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Photobucket album containing lots of pictures.
[url]http://s601.beta.photobucket.com/user/RxApple/library/1970%20TA%20Public[/url] ([url]http://s601.beta.photobucket.com/user/RxApple/library/1970%20TA%20Public[/url])
Looks like a pretty nice car! I love the Purple and white. :thumbsup:
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That is great! I am really happy for you. Gratz!
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You might want to document your trip and get a hold of MCG to see if they would want to run a story on you and your dads car.
:iagree: Now that is a great idea!!!!! This is really a special situation, would make a great story for any muscle car magazine!
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I have had one gentleman contact me about writing a story, but he didn't say who he writes for. I wouldn't mind MCG contacting me, but I'm not really into soliciting a story for myself. I also didn't see any contact info for them except for the store part of it.
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Hey, Koby, I'm the one who contacted you. I'm a free-lancer, not associated with any particular magazine.
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I snapped this pic in Alb NM at a show at a bldg in the State fair grounds 1990 give or take a year. Car was purple with a white top and stripes, and a gull wing spoiler. The hood was purple. Note the rims too.
The Mopar Muscle web site takes email submissions for Hidden Treasures DAMHIK :D
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I snapped this pic in Alb NM at a show at a bldg in the State fair grounds 1990 give or take a year. Car was purple with a white top and stripes, and a gull wing spoiler. The hood was purple. Note the rims too.
The Mopar Muscle web site takes email submissions for Hidden Treasures DAMHIK :D
Wow, thanks, sure seems like it could be the same car. Now that I have found the car and purchased it, I'm about to start trying to learn the ownership history.
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I'm guessing the above picture is not the same car.
My guess is that the above picture is not a real T/A. The hood appears to be a steel hood with a scoop added, there is no side exhaust and the wrong rear spoiler which would used totally different holes in the deck lid.
Also if someone ordered the custom white stripes, if the got the engine call outs as well like your Father's car, then they would have most likely put them on at the same time. :2cents:
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Look what I found. More to come once daylight arrives.
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Fantasic congratulations :2thumbs:
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Look what I found. More to come once daylight arrives.
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/23/u2asebyt.jpg[/url])
Where and when was that pic taken? Was that in Japan? :clueless:
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Great story! Kudos to Barry for hooking you up. He's a great person for keeping that Registry alive and he is missed around here.
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Yes sir I'm in Japan, purchased the car and it will be at the port today, ready to make its journey back to where it belongs.
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He looks happy to see you....depending on which one is you... :roflsmiley:
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He looks happy to see you....depending on which one is you... :roflsmiley:
That's my buddy that came with me. You truly need mental counseling.
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Well then you both look happy....I thought maybe you would take a picture with the current owner ... :picture: to capture the moment.
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Here ya go, the image hasn't been transferred to my phone yet.
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Well then you both look happy....I thought maybe you would take a picture with the current owner ... :picture: to capture the moment.
Ok, now we know what the new owner looks like. Smart move anlauto. Congratulations rxapple on finding and reacquiring your dad'd old car. Great story!
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I recently sold a 1971 Cuda for $60K to a guy in Germany. The new owner never felt it necessary to fly to Canada to check it out first, so I (as the seller) was dissapointed that I never got to meet the buyer.
I did request for him to send me picture of him with his new car so I could at least post them on my web site...
http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/Past-Restp---71-340-Cuda.html (http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/Past-Restp---71-340-Cuda.html)
It's incredible how small our world is getting :chatting:
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I recently sold a 1971 Cuda for $60K to a guy in Germany. The new owner never felt it necessary to fly to Canada to check it out first, so I (as the seller) was dissapointed that I never got to meet the buyer.
I did request for him to send me picture of him with his new car so I could at least post them on my web site...
[url]http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/Past-Restp---71-340-Cuda.html[/url] ([url]http://www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com/Past-Restp---71-340-Cuda.html[/url])
It's incredible how small our world is getting :chatting:
Just out of Curiosity, how come the motor is Blue Alan?
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Awesome cars RXApple :2thumbs:
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Just out of Curiosity, how come the motor is Blue Alan?
i believe 71 and later the small blocks were all blue with the orange air cleaner
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One of the best stories of the year!
Here ya go, the image hasn't been transferred to my phone yet.
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/01/24/u9ygabuq.jpg[/url])
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Just out of Curiosity, how come the motor is Blue Alan?
ALL 1971 340's built after mid-May 1971 were painted blue. The air cleaner remained wrinkle-black until the 72 model year when the switched to orange .
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ALL 1971 340's built after mid-May 1971 were painted blue. The air cleaner remained wrinkle-black until the 72 model year when the switched to orange .
This I remember reading that before actually. :thumbsup:
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This I remember reading that before actually. :thumbsup:
Why did you ask ? Are you just testing me....? :misbehaving: :roflsmiley: :drunk:
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Why did you ask ? Are you just testing me....? :misbehaving: :roflsmiley: :drunk:
haha It was suppose to read I Think I remember reading this now that you say that. lol :crazy:
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One of the best stories of the year!
:iagree: glad it worked out so well! :clapping: Gotta admit I was suspicious at first... thought it was a scam?
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:faint: 3 fender tags on that Cuda???? :faint:
Man, rxapple, you mave fast! Great pics! :thumbsup:
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Headed to the port now.
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Great story.
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congrats! I`m happy it all worked out for you :2thumbs:
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How cool the last owner had "kennies Mopar Service", in Japan
This is one of the best storys i have read on CC.C, awsome work by Barry
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Congratulations. Definitely the best tail of reuniting long lost cars to families and it's one cool Challenger as well!
All the best to you and may the transfer to your front door be smooth and painless.
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this is a awesome story and im happy it worked out for you. Usually its cars leaving here and going over seas , not coming back home :wow:
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Finally made it back home at about 12:30am, the car will hopefully leave there within a few weeks, it's at the port, but must get a vessel booked and clear customs.
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That's a great story. I can relate. I still have the super bee my dad bought new in 69...22,000 mile original paint survivor. Hope to meet you at a show sometime.
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That's truly awesome that it all ended up working out for you!!! :2thumbs: Be sure to get out & about with that beauty once it's back in the states! :burnout:
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That's a great story. I can relate. I still have the super bee my dad bought new in 69...22,000 mile original paint survivor. Hope to meet you at a show sometime.
:clapping: :2thumbs: cool stuff!
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Koby...
By far the best story I've read. How old would your dad have been if he was still alive? I'm guessing he would be in his early to mid 60's. I applaud your mission to find his car and to go to the next level to get it back home despite the barriers you faced. :2thumbs:
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Thanks guys! Dad would be turning 61 in April if he was still here. Also in April his accident will have been 26 years ago. I just turned 27 the day that we left to head to Japan.
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Sounds like a Disney story,Brad your dad helped you along the way I,m sure.Good luck and hope to see this story in a mopar magazine some day! :smokin: :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys! Dad would be turning 61 in April if he was still here. Also in April his accident will have been 26 years ago. I just turned 27 the day that we left to head to Japan.
Sounds like a happy birthday :2thumbs:
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Sorry to hear about your dad. No wonder this car is so special to you.
Happy b-day! :)
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Finally out of the warehouse and in the container. Vessel leaves 2/08/13, arrives LA 2/18/13.
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How much is the shipping costs and taxes/duty importation fees etc ?
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:woo: Homeward bound!!! :woohoo:
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Finally cleared customs and took its first breath of American air since 1993... Should be at my home soon!
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That's awesome. Keep us posted.
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That's awesome! :clapping:
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Love this thread! :bananasmi:
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Hmm, I wonder where that truck is taking it..... :)
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Can you post those pictures of when your Father owned it again....
I think that's how it should be restored !
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Here ya go, but my dad was in the process of restoring it back to original when he had his accident. Legend has it that this car's broadcast sheet called for white stripes....Not to open up a can of worms, but it can't be coincidence that the owner from 1990 says that, and then down the road someone put white stripes on it.
So I'll be leaving it as found, besides the louvers, and repainting the rusty trunk floor.
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Gotta be one of the top 5 " feel good" stories on here! I'm so happy for you! Enjoy it brother! I'm sure your Dad is smiling ! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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This is one of those stories that give everyone hope. YOU traveled over seas to get your dads car and I'm sure you would have went further to get it no matter what condition it was in. I was devastated when my car was damaged at the boarder bringing it home, my wife said she has never seen me so down, but there is lots of ups and downs in owing a car and this is a UP for sure. People that are not car people wont understand the high you must be feeling right now or why you went as far as you did to get the car. Men and women have a special bond with there cars and i couldn't imagine the bond you will have with this car considering it was your late fathers. Keep everyone updated on this car as I know I will be looking back at this thread to get inspiration when things get hard. This is one of my favorite stories about someone being reunited with a car and when i tell others the story, they cant believe it but when they hear it they are genuinely happy for you. enjoy it and post more pictures!!!
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Awesome story. Congrats!
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It's finally back home, arrived safely this morning!(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/09/ydapaquv.jpg)
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Incredible story. Congratulations. You must be over the moon with excitement and relief that it arrived safely.
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Sorry. Double posted.
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Congrats! That is a really sharp looking car. :burnout:
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That's awesome, what a story. The car looks great!
Sean
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It's awesome to see that it has safely made it back to you now!! :2thumbs: Now go out & enjoy it just as your father did back in the '80s!!! :burnout: :grinyes:
That is so cool that you were able to track the car down, and more importantly, strike a deal to buy it back!!
Sent from the garage
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I'm sure your Dad is looking down and smiling about having the Challenger back in his blood line!
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Thank you to Ron of Sea and Air Experts, Inc. He did a great job helping me get this car back to the United States from Japan. I would highly recommend them to anyone wanting to ship anything in a container or RORO to or from anywhere!
A couple of videos about my T/A:
http://youtu.be/1H3dsZ7swOQ (http://youtu.be/1H3dsZ7swOQ)
http://youtu.be/nBhSu1jC-c0 (http://youtu.be/nBhSu1jC-c0)
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This is one of my favorite threads! great videos. :bananasmi
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So...... are ya coming to Carlisle? :naughty: :bigsmile:
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So...... are ya coming to Carlisle? :naughty: :bigsmile:
Barry has already asked me about that. I would need to buy or rent an enclosed trailer and I'm thinking the wife will not be allowing that anytime in the near future.
Having said that, I would really like to go! But we'll see.
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This is one of my favorite threads! great videos. :bananasmi
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Ahhhh.....covered trailers are for "garage trophies".....I was hoping you bought this car to drive and enjoy ! If Carlisle is too far of a drive, don't be afraid of an open trailer.....If the car gets wet...it'll dry off.....You're going to find you'll be cleaning it more then driving anyways....that's half the fun !
U-Haul rents open trailers fairly reasonable....
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Here's a picture of my mom next to my dad's first T/A, May 15, 1973.
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Thanks a cool picture! :2thumbs: :bigsmile:
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You're dad had good taste in Cars! Is that the same one you have now or a different purple T/A? :2thumbs:
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If it's the same ta I like the black top and stripe better. Great story , Has the car been checked for radiation exposer? Or was it on the other side of the disaster? The shipping price question never got answered for some reason. I know you saw it, but it would of helped future buy sell members here to give them an idea of what it might take to do a transaction like you did. What you paid for it is what it was worth to you and that's all that matters. It probably won't leave your family for quite some time now as it is anyways.
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Wow, awesome videos and what a happy ending! :thumbsup:
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You're dad had good taste in Cars! Is that the same one you have now or a different purple T/A? :2thumbs:
It is his first one, I bought his second one. I don't know where the first one is, or any paperwork on it for that matter, it was traded in 1974.
Shipping, for a container and all the customs fees and exams and delivered 1500 miles from the port at LA, around $6500.
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Cool story. Glad you got it home. Maybe I have his first one. :bigsmile:
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Kind of bummed I missed all the excitement in real time, but congrats regardless. This is truly an awesome story. :2thumbs:
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It is his first one, I bought his second one. I don't know where the first one is, or any paperwork on it for that matter, it was traded in 1974.
Shipping, for a container and all the customs fees and exams and delivered 1500 miles from the port at LA, around $6500.
Thanks for posting that info :wave:
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As many have said before, this is a great story. One of the best car related stories that I read in a while (and one certainly worthy of being published). A lot of things had to fall into place for it to happen and fortunately for you they did. I mean, imagine if your Mom didn't remember that last spot where the paperwork with the VIN was stashed? Without the VIN you'd still be searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack. What if Barry had no current record of the car or contact info for the owner? Without it you'd be hard pressed to trace the car to Japan. Then, what a coincidence it was that the owner was looking to sell when you contacted him? If he loved it too much you'd be hard pressed to pry it away from him. Like I said, it's a great story and congrats on completing your quest.
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Wow this is one of the best car stories of all time. Thanks for posting it!
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It is his first one, I bought his second one. I don't know where the first one is, or any paperwork on it for that matter, it was traded in 1974.
That didn't stop you from finding this one! Try to find the first one!!! :roflsmiley: :grinyes: :thumbsup:
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Koby, great story. I finally had time to read your thread. Barry had told me about this. I am glad to see your Dad's TA is back home with you. As it should be. :2thumbs:
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Awesome story congrats and what did your mom say when she saw it pull up??
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Awesome story congrats and what did your mom say when she saw it pull up??
Mom was all smiles, as was I, I think we each had some emotional moments later but overall the receipt of the car was a new happy memory.
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Here's a picture of my mom next to my dad's first T/A, May 15, 1973.
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Kind of interesting that only after about 3 years the hood is showing signs of bulging/warping. Didn't think that happened until way later on.
Cool pic! :thumbsup:
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Hey guys, I have some news for you....
I received some documentation from the Oklahoma Tax Commission last week and contacted the original owner. We talked quite awhile and I asked him if he knew where the engine was. He said he had it swapped in 72 or 73 for a 440. He said let me try to find the guy that did the swap, he kept the block. He
called back later and gave me the guys name and number. I called him he said he put in a custom 78 ramcharger truck and told me who he sold it to. I called that gentleman but never heard back.
Anyway, I was at a Mopar event yesterday and came across a 6pak intake, 340 variety. My friend that was with me stopped and talked to the guy. We asked him where he got it and he said his friend, that has an AAR, also said his friend had a t/a block and intake that was complete. I asked him where he lived and he said Tulsa. I said do you know where your friend got his block? He said out of truck, I said a green ramcharger, he said I think so. He called the guy and got the number off of it, sure enough 308803, 4/6/1970..... So now what do I do? The engine is not in the AAR yet, but on a stand and wrapped up, was machined and painted 2 years ago. What would you do? I'm contemplating swapping him. His doesn't have a cam with it, so what would you guys do here? Purple cam? Roller cam? What have others done?
Kind of funny that the car made it all the way to Japan and the block has only gone 45 minutes from original owner's location. Also that my
dad searched for a block and found it in California, when the numbers matching block was right under his nose.....
Koby
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Get your numbers block if available. I would want to do anything possible to get it
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Yes, it would be in your best interest to secure the original block for that car (provided the current owner doesn't attempt to take you for a ride on the price). :2thumbs:
Is the guy willing to do a trade for it ATM?
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you must be the luckest person !unreal!hope you get the number matching package.That would increase the value at least 20% :smokin: :grinyes: :dogpile:
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you must be the luckest person !unreal!hope you get the number matching package.That would increase the value at least 20% :smokin: :grinyes: :dogpile:
I disagree. The car's value is tied to his father's ownership. All this will do is increase the potential selling price.
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The appraised value of the car will increase no matter whether or not he sells the car. Being his Father's car, I'm sure it's "PRICELESS" to him.
Owning a rare Mopar such as a T/A the value of numbers matching motor greatly increases the value of the car. If you don't believe me...call around to a few of the more well known collectors or consignment sellers and ask their opinion of the difference in value of two identical cars one with matching numbers and one without.
If I were in your shoes, first I would determine whether or not it is indeed the correct block, then I would offer (up to)$5,000.00 plus your running T/A motor. :2cents:
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Incredible story ! Congratulations on your successful search. This story gives me hope that I'll one day find the original owner of my AAR. (all I know is the car was sold in Illinois) I'd recommend you pick up some lottery tickets before your luck is all used up.
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This story keeps getting better all the time. First you find your Dad's car all the way over in Japan. Then you locate the original motor that was pulled 40 freakin' years ago? What are the odds of that happening? I'd say about slim to none after that much time had past! It's incredible how everything is going your way on this venture. You are a virtual automotive archeologist! I think Devil (Ryan) has got some serious competition here. Congratulations. I love this story, it's simply amazing! :2thumbs:
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I disagree. The car's value is tied to his father's ownership. All this will do is increase the potential selling price.
You should get off the top of your car and quite smoking that weed! :smokin: :thumbsup:
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wow this keeps getting better and better.. get the block you wont regret it
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I'm glad you were able to buy your fathers TA. Hope you enjoy the Challenger TA and I hope I get to see it in person someday. The pictures and the story are just great.
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Out with the old, in with the numbers matching to come.....
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That didn't take long...Is that a T/A motor as well ? If so, what's the VIN ?
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Incredible story ! Congratulations on your successful search. This story gives me hope that I'll one day find the original owner of my AAR. (all I know is the car was sold in Illinois) I'd recommend you pick up some lottery tickets before your luck is all used up.
:cheers:
What color was yours?
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Way to make it happen, man. That block belongs in that car.
When does the movie come out?
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I was at a Mopar event yesterday and came across a 6pak intake, 340 variety. My friend that was with me stopped and talked to the guy. We asked him where he got it and he said his friend, that has an AAR, also said his friend had a t/a block and intake that was complete. I asked him where he lived and he said Tulsa. I said do you know where your friend got his block? He said out of truck, I said a green ramcharger, he said I think so. He called the guy and got the number off of it, sure enough 308803, 4/6/1970..... So now what do I do? The engine is not in the AAR yet, but on a stand and wrapped up, was machined and painted 2 years ago. What would you do? I'm contemplating swapping him. Kind of funny that the car made it all the way to Japan and the block has only gone 45 minutes from original owner's location.
Koby
Whoa! Back the movie up, I must of missed part of it. :popcorn: What happened to the scene where our hero actually gets the numbers-matching block for the car? :popcorn: Last thing I knew he knew where it was but he didn't have it in his possession. :popcorn: Now he's installing it into his car? :popcorn: How did he actually get his hands on it? :popcorn: What did he have to do to pull that off? :popcorn: Details please of how our hero worked that deal :popcorn: This story is great ... I can't stop watching! :popcorn:
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So, the guy and I worked out a trade. Machined, balanced crank, rods, bearings and numbers matching block, for my block +cash to get my block machined and new pistons etc..... It actually isn't in my possession yet, no money has changed hands yet. He wants to make sure my block hasn't already been bored 0.060 over or sleeved, if it hasn't, I will then pay him $2k and proceed with reassembling the numbers matching block, and putting it in my car....
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Sounds like a fair deal all around
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way cool of a deal.
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I wish I knew what you did for a living, because I would change jobs in a heartbeat! Lol
Awesome story!
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Don't mean to hijack this thread but what's wrong with bored and/or sleaved?
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Think it's because it will cost him more to get to where he wants it to be....
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And it is bored 0.060 over.... But the hone marks are still visible, we'll see what the machine shop and the owner of my numbers matching block say....
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Here's a then (1987) and now picture....
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Deja Vu ... is that the same house behind the car too?
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Yep, that's the house I grew up in, could that picture have been taken on purpose..... :naughty:
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I've read the whole story. Amazing Koby. Just plain awesome you got it back.
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If they have a program to re-issue old plates like they do here in California maybe you could even get the original style plates and number for the car.
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That's an awesome idea.
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The last American owner before me hooked me up with some great stuff today.... Basically everything but a broadcast sheet... Plus a bunch of titles and registrations from previous owners
Braking sheet
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Oklahoma inspection done for dealer
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Shipping invoice to dealer
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Warranty (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/30/nu6eqaqe.jpg)
Owners manual and accompanying propaganda (notice number is same as on shipping invoice
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What a story!!!
Well worth the read.
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Yep, that's the house I grew up in, could that picture have been taken on purpose..... :naughty:
BAHAHAH! Love it!!!
Also love the pic of your mom with the car - that's just awesome.
Congrats - I'm just getting caught up to this as well (saw the post about you being invited to Carlisle.) It all happened pretty quick for ya, and I'm glad to see that it did.
Hope to see you at Carlisle!
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That is a great story! I hope it all works out for you.
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Whats the deal with the original block. Is the owner going to give it up?
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He's already bought the original block, it's being rebuilt right now in time for Carlisle.
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Great news thanks!
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Mom found another picture of my dad's first Plum Crazy T/A, that's him standing next to it. Picture taken around 72-74.... It was a 4 -Speed, I wonder if it's still out there somewhere....
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I'd love to see this as an article. This is the best story I've think I've ever read! Simply amazing! It's amazing what can happen when people help each other.
I totally missed the thread and all the excitement, but wow!
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Just got caught up on this thread. What an awesome story. I too, am trying to hunt down my dad's old mustang grande. I know, I know, not a mopar, but it holds a special place for me. Anyway, this story is so cool and it's so amazing that you found the original block as well. If you make it to Carlisle, I can't wait to see this car in person and meet you. Congratulations!
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Back on the road again, now numbers matching. Picked it up last night, detail tonight and hit the road for Carlisle early tomorrow morning!!! I'm stoked to meet everyone and see some sweet cars!
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Righteous. Did you decide to drive or trailer?
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I'll be pulling it in an enclosed trailer, my wife is a nervous wreck every time I drive it!
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:2thumbs: See you there!
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Just plain awesome. I agree this car and your family story needs to be picked up by a magazine.
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This is no doubt the greatest story I've heard ...
Congratulations on tracking down the car & the matching numbers block --- an extremely difficult task in position, but it seems that all the stars aligned for you my friend.
Your dad is definitely smiling down on you bud
I'd love to see this story in a magazine
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This is no doubt the greatest story I've heard ...
Congratulations on tracking down the car & the matching numbers block --- an extremely difficult task in position, but it seems that all the stars aligned for you my friend.
Your dad is definitely smiling down on you bud
I'd love to see this story in a magazine
Thanks to Challenger HK for writing the story and submitting it to Mopar Muscle, look for it in the January issue.
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Thanks to Challenger HK for writing the story and submitting it to Mopar Muscle, look for it in the January issue.
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damn....... awesome story about perseverance!! Looks like lots of folks also came through to help you make this happen. Congrats!!!!
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Oh you know I'm dying to have it, will probably have to wait until I am older and have more money. Barry sent the guy an email, also said that the guy was very fluent in English and Barry didn't have much correspondence with him because of this. Barry said this one was new to him in 2005 when he was contacted by the owner. Fingers crossed that it survived the Earthquake and tsunami.
I'm confused
A year older and bam you have enough for the car......... Must have been a VERY good year
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I'm confused
A year older and bam you have enough for the car......... Must have been a VERY good year
It happens.
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...surely lightning can't strike a third time, but I have an identical T/A to your dads first one
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...surely lightning can't strike a third time, but I have an identical T/A to your dads first one
Dad, is that you?
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Check out the just released January 2014 issue of Mopar Muscle to read the story written by Challenger HK about the "Far Out, Far East" challenger....
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Definitely have to check out the car and Challenger HK's article! Very cool!
Is that your car pic as a submission for the calendar? If so, it's one of my favorite pics there! :thumbsup:
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Great write up David! :2thumbs:
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Great write up David! :2thumbs:
Thanks, Brad. While I can't say that this required no work (ask Koby how many times we went back and forth over drafts) I can say I was motivated by the subject matter. I can't count how many pieces I've read that go like "I found a really rare car, then I pulled it into my 24x40 foot side garage and had my employees do a restoration so I can send it to Barrett Jackson." It was nice to see a person pursuing a car out of passion.
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Sounds great, Can't wait to read the article.....Anyway someone could scan it and post it here so I don't have to waste five bucks on the crappy magazine ?
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Sounds great, Can't wait to read the article.....Anyway someone could scan it and post it here so I don't have to waste five bucks on the crappy magazine ?
I can`t even get it here..... :popcorn:
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I was just thinking they might have some sort of on line version ? :dunno:
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I was just thinking they might have some sort of on line version ? :dunno:
I just checked, not online as of yet. :dunno:
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Alan, the article is now online, albeit with the incorrect title, stating it's a 1973 model. The webmaster must not be all there.
Here's the link:
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/e_body/1401_1973_dodge_challenger_plum_crazy_t_a/
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Just read it again....still can't get over it all! Truly amazing!
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Great story. You really need to buy lottery tickets, amazing.
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I agree , simply amazing , I have no clue where to look for the #s block for my car unfortunately , I did call the guy I bought the car from 30 years ago & he was blown away that I still had the car but no leads what direction ot go to find the block that was sitting 3' from my car when I bought it & I could not buy or trade for the original block !!
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im at work reading the story, well done sir well done
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Wonder whatever happened to Koby ?
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Wonder whatever happened to Koby ?
at the risk of sounding like a creeper
Koby
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Guys, I'm still around. Nothing new to report with the car. Still enjoying it each and everyday!
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Congrats! Wow what a amazing story.
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Yea...I still tell people Koby's story :worshippy :drunk:
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Where's that kid who does the online mopar magazine that d-frazz was in recently, he should do a bit on Koby and his car
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Hey guys, I'm at it again....
Trying to find my dad's first Plum Crazy T/A that he owned in 72-73. A few months ago, I found the check he got back from dealer after bank cashed it and dealer had written the VIN on it..
It was 4-speed, black top, black interior. Sold in 4/14 in North Hills, CA by Dave Denson. That's all I know for now. Here are some pics:
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(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/RxApple/Ontrailer_zps2ivrxgzw.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/RxApple/media/Ontrailer_zps2ivrxgzw.jpg.html)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt91/RxApple/fender%20tag_zpsx8zrq8y1.jpg) (http://s601.photobucket.com/user/RxApple/media/fender%20tag_zpsx8zrq8y1.jpg.html)
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Thats some custom work on the quarter......
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If it was anybody else I'd say there was no hope, but you seem to have the Golden Touch for this kind of thing :bigsmile:
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I assume you got the picture of it on the trailer from Dave Denson? Also, can you find the girl!!
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I assume you got the picture of it on the trailer from Dave Denson? Also, can you find the girl!!
Those pictures were on ForEBodiesonly.com and his Facebook when he was trying to sell it. He passed away in 2/2015.
The picture with the girl is my mom by the car on her honeymoon in 5/1973.
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Any idea how long ago the photo on the trailer was taken? Those Posi-Traction Torque Twister tires haven't been around since the 70's.....
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Any idea how long ago the photo on the trailer was taken? Those Posi-Traction Torque Twister tires haven't been around since the 70's.....
That was 2014 when Dave Denson bought it from guy in Texas. Dave only owned for a couple of weeks.
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Well the car had been sitting for a long time at that point.... Good Luck hope you bring this one home too...
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That was 2014 when Dave Denson bought it from guy in Texas. Dave only owned for a couple of weeks.
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That's pretty recent history....you should have no problem finding it. :2cents:
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Have you tried on the Facebook Group 1970 Challenger T/A and AAR Cudas ? Lots of info there.
Ricky
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I am in contact with the current owner and we will see where it goes.
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That's great. Good luck. The fender tag is close. Mine is 296572 on 403
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Have you tried on the Facebook Group 1970 Challenger T/A and AAR Cudas ? Lots of info there.
Ricky
Requested to join this group, this is the first I have heard of it. Thanks!
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Good luck man! Hope it all works out and you get it. :thumbsup:
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I am in contact with the current owner and we will see where it goes.
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That's awesome :2thumbs: I know a guy that can restore it for you :naughty:
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Just started reading this post and the Dave Densen part caught my eye. He was a close friend of mine until his passing last year. Dave showed me this TA and I came very close to draining my savings and buying it. I was blown away that every single part was still with the car. Dave actually talked me out of it because of the funky rear quarter work it needed.
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one of the best car storys i ever read!!!! greatings from germany
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It's a done deal. Some day I will be able to restore it and get rid of those flares!
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Awesome!! You really should consider sending it to Alan....
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Dang Koby
You are good at tracking them down.
Maybe you should do P.I. work.
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Hey that's awesome :cheers: I'll start clearing a spot now :naughty:
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Wow!! Good for you. That's just plain cool.
It looks like there's no engine in it.
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Have you tried on the Facebook Group 1970 Challenger T/A and AAR Cudas ? Lots of info there.
Ricky
I just joined as well!
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:wow:
From no T/A's to owning two!
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This story still blows my mind ... what are the odds that both of those cars were still out there ... able to be found AND purchased?? It's almost beyond imagination that it has happened! :2thumbs:
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This story still blows my mind ... what are the odds that both of those cars were still out there ... able to be found AND purchased?? It's almost beyond imagination that it has happened! :2thumbs:
Should give you hope for reconnecting with some of your old cars....
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Congratulations!! (a Roll Tide even :) )
Looking forward to when you decide to begin the resto :thumbsup:
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This is great news!!! Big Congrats to you!!
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Amazing x2 ! Great to hear you got it! :o
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Should give you hope for reconnecting with some of your old cars....
Randy, that's a nice thought :grinyes:
One I won't be reconnecting with was a '68 Super Bee ... a beautiful car, turquoise over white, 383 4-speed ... guy who bought it from me blew the motor and abandoned it ... city picked it up and it was claimed by the fire department ... yep, they deliberately burned that beauty down to the ground for training :crying:
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Anyway, I digress ... back to you Koby and your amazing journey finding your Dad's T/A's ...
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Hey guys, I found some car part invoices on the passenger side of car (between door and dash dated 1977. It had a name on it. I looked him up and called him. Nice guy. He owned car from 1974-2014. He sent me these vintage pics and this history. Hope you enjoy.
"We got married April 1974. That’s the pics with the stock wheels.
I got back from Viet Nam in Mid-1975 and got the indies.
Moved to California and blew the engine when a nut from the air breather went into the piston.
Got the engine rebuilt and moved back to Oklahoma when I was discharged from the Marine Corps, 1977.
Started college at OU and had the paint and body work done, got tired of getting tickets because my tires extended beyond the body. Cops in Norman were a pain in the a**. The hood was reinforced when I had the body work done because it was warping. If you look at your pictures you’ll see the hood has start to bow up.
The crunch in the hood was by from a frat rat at OU with no insurance.
We moved back to California in 1984 and I spun a main bearing in 1985 blowing the motor again.
It’s been garaged or towed from state to state since then."
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:2thumbs: amazing .