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Title: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 02, 2008 - 09:18:30 AM
Well I finally got in touch with the guy who I want to build my motor and we're ready to start building my 440.  His name is Vic Ferra and he's comes highly recommended by a neighbor who's known him for a long time and had a 440 built by him recently.  I'm not looking to race it or anything, but I still want to have fun roasting the tires  :burnout: and beating most cars from red light to red light.  I will try to keep this thread updated with links and cost to everything that I'm putting into this motor.  My budget is around 4k, and I say 'around' because I'm not set in stone on that figure and if I see the value in spending more for something than I originally planned, then I'll do it if time and money allow.

Vic and I spoke in detail on the phone for a while last week and I think we've come to an agreement on stroking the motor to either a 493 or 499. There's not much $$ difference between the 2 so I am planning on going with the 499 stroker kit/rotating assembly.  I've got 902 heads but he recommended using 452 (I think?) heads, which he says he's got a bunch and would do some small work to open the ports a bit and get a bigger valve in them. 

I've informed Vic that I'm not the most informed about 'what to get and how to do it right' when it comes to motors so I'll be relying on the nice people here at cc.com and his experience to guide me.  One of the greatest things about Vic is he's not someone who rushes you to finish just to get his $$.  I've informed him that this build may take some time and he's ok with that.

Thoughts and comments/suggestioned always welcome.

Here's what I've got to work with now (see pics below).  ALL of the old items will be sold so if anyone sees anything they need from the motor, let me know.



Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on June 02, 2008 - 09:28:39 AM
Very Cool
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Stacked440 on June 05, 2008 - 01:26:50 AM
In the words of Hannibal from the A-team "I love it when a plan comes together!"
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 07, 2008 - 09:50:51 PM
Well I just dropped the block off to Vic this morning.  He says it looks like it's in great shape.  He's going to try to hone (sp?) the worst cylinder to see if the rust will come out (there's nominal rust in a couple of the cylinders after a rough bore of .025).  He's pretty confidant that it will, he told me not to be concerned about it.  Once that's done, he's got a set of 452 heads that he'll do some minor work on and get those set.  Hopefully by the time he's done with that, I'll have the $$$ for the 499 rotating assembly, hopefully.  :cooldancing:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on June 07, 2008 - 09:57:19 PM
good luck with it bob! i'd look into the pros/cons on the longer strokes. Longevity may be a concern with the big stroke of the 499.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 07, 2008 - 10:00:54 PM
Good idea Mike....I'll take a sneak peak into that.  Anyone know off hand?

BTW, I've got all the lines in for my line-lock, I'm ready when you are......do you guys still need someone to photo-shoot your cars too?  :picture:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on June 07, 2008 - 10:03:31 PM
good luck with it bob! i'd look into the pros/cons on the longer strokes. Longevity may be a concern with the big stroke of the 499.

Just my 2 cents but I dont care about longevity.... thats like buying a hummer and worrying about gas mileage. they dont go hand in hand... a 499 you have to deal with whatever but all the more we drive our cars it will be a long while before pulling the motor...  :2cents:

However to answer goody's question 7.100 rod....
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 07, 2008 - 10:07:20 PM
yeah, here's what I found after a quick google search (gotta love Google)

http://www3.sympatico.ca/big-d/polytek.htm (http://www3.sympatico.ca/big-d/polytek.htm)

STROKERS, PROS AND CONS
What are the advantages of a longer stroke?
Are they real or just hype?
These questions are often asked but the answers are not always as straight forward as we might like.
It is generally thought that the ideal bore stroke ratio is 90%. That means that the stroke should be 90% of the bore. This combination gives a reasonable amount of piston travel per degrees of rotation without being excessive. It also allows the bore to be large enough to carry valves of sufficient size to properly feed the engine. A Hemi, because of its inclined valves, can cheat this a bit but in a wedge it is a severe limitation. If the 90% rule is followed then all should be well. To properly understand this, one should ask, "Are there any disandvantages to a short stroke?"(Looking at the opposite problem will often clarify a point) The answer is yes. A short stoke motor requires a high dome to obtain a high compression ratio which comes with its own set of problems. Sometime the dome is so high that flame travel in the cylinder suffers. The piston does not move away from TDC as far (travels a shorter distance per degrees of rotation) so it may be plagued with valve to piston clearance problems that will be difficult (but surmountable) at best. It will have to operate at higher RPM to obtain the same HP because it will be smaller in cubic inches than say the 90% motor. RPM is expensive. Valves ,valve springs, cams, retainers , pushrods etc etc must be of the very best (read expensive) quality to survive this. If the engine is only making the same HP as the larger one can at a lower RPM, then all one has accomplished is to build a difficult ,expensive, high maintainence "gernade". However, the same problem exists at the other end of the scale. If the stroke is too long then the cylinder heads cannot keep up with the sheer volume of air being pumped . Often a stroker will produce the same power but at a lower RPM. Is this because of the torque characteristics of the long stroke, as some would suggest, or is it because the cylinder heads have reached their peak at a lower RPM than would have happened on a stock stroke engine? In many cases the latter is true. Also in a long stroke engine the rods are stressed as piston speed in feet per minute increases to the danger point. Even a high dollar engine with the very best parts will require constant replacement if pushed to those limits. The best reason to built a stroker is because you want one. What are the guidelines?  Like we said at the start. Stroke should be 90% of the bore and no more. This is not the total sum of the story, by any means, but these are some of the things worth thinking about before you part with your gold.


So, if it's bored .030, what's 90%?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on June 07, 2008 - 10:23:51 PM
Just my 2 cents but I dont care about longevity.... thats like buying a hummer and worrying about gas mileage. they dont go hand in hand... a 499 you have to deal with whatever but all the more we drive our cars it will be a long while before pulling the motor...  :2cents:

However to answer goody's question 7.100 rod....

Just my 2cents on that is, everyones situation is different. Funds and budgeting come into play, i'm with you as far engines go to a certain extent. Your Challenger's budget seems to grow by the minute! lol.  Just trying to make sure Bob knows and understands every angle of what he is looking to do before he dives into it. I'm not a pro in the world of strokers, but i have heard about rod-ratio and longevity issues down the road with running a big inch stroker..just stickin it out there!  :wave: :cheers:

Bob I'm not sure what we're up to as far as the pictures go. We're gettin kinda to the wire here soon and no real locations on hand unfortuneately. Thats the big hang up at the moment!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on June 08, 2008 - 04:58:25 PM
Nothing else to spend my money on.... playing race car is fun......  :money:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on June 08, 2008 - 04:59:55 PM
yeah, here's what I found after a quick google search (gotta love Google)

[url]http://www3.sympatico.ca/big-d/polytek.htm[/url] ([url]http://www3.sympatico.ca/big-d/polytek.htm[/url])


So, if it's bored .030, what's 90%?


I think what they are refering to is @ .30 over your bore is 4.350 so a 4.150 stroker crank would be a little over 90%  4.350 stroker crank would be 100% .... make sense

Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on June 08, 2008 - 08:05:35 PM
Nothing else to spend my money on.... playing race car is fun......  :money:

I'm sure right after you bought the 'last' three parts for that engine, you said 'thats it!'....riiiiiiiiiight? lol
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on June 08, 2008 - 08:10:38 PM
I'm sure right after you bought the 'last' three parts for that engine, you said 'thats it!'....riiiiiiiiiight? lol

nope....... dont ever think about it actually ......  :working:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on June 09, 2008 - 12:41:38 PM
(http://bestsmileys.com/signs15/18.gif)  Hey Robert!  :wave:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: ViperMan on June 09, 2008 - 03:49:16 PM
Yeah but a good handful of previous posts stated that running all the way up to the 512 kit (with a .060-over bore) wouldn't create any longevity issues.  That's why I'm planning a 505 (with a .030-over bore) for my 440.

I'm with you RDF - With the new job going well, I'm getting ready to hand over my block for boring and honing.  It'll have to be stored until I'm situated in Indiana, but then I should be able to get a permanent roof over the 'Cuda and REALLY get to work.

Hope it goes well.

Jeff
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: moper on June 10, 2008 - 12:11:19 PM
Stroke should be 90% of bore? That's a new one on me. Stroke determines rpm of power peaks. There is no perfect one. Otherwise My neon and a Pro stock would share it. It's not even the stroke, but the combination of rod, stroke, and block, that makes thigs wear out faster. I wont use a piston shorter than Brandon's 505/512 package with the 7.1 rod, and I dont like oil support rings on a street engine. But like Mike says, it's all opinion.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on June 14, 2008 - 12:48:15 PM
 :iagree:
more than 512 CI is overkill for a street engine , traction will be a bigger problem IMO
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on June 14, 2008 - 02:09:43 PM
:iagree:
more than 512 CI is overkill for a street engine , traction will be a bigger problem IMO

X2 or actually X10 .........  when I had the less hp 499 done with the 906's and dual quad setup I just straight blew the tires up in smoke with regular radial tires....... they were off the car real quik........ I know someday Im gonna tell carlwalski  StroKer told ya so on his tire selection for the hemicuda......  :grinyes:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on June 14, 2008 - 04:08:17 PM
X2 or actually X10 .........  when I had the less hp 499 done with the 906's and dual quad setup I just straight blew the tires up in smoke with regular radial tires....... they were off the car real quik........ I know someday Im gonna tell carlwalski  StroKer told ya so on his tire selection for the hemicuda......  :grinyes:

 :roflsmiley:     :burnout:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on November 20, 2008 - 08:39:36 AM
 :woohoo:

FINALLY, I saved the $$$$ for my rotating asembly, an Eagle 499 stroker kit.  I thought this would come much, much quicker, but with the dying ecomony lately, it was pushed back a bit.

I've got to drop the money off to the motor man and hopefully he'll call me once it's shipped to him so I can take some pictures.  Once this part is over, I'll be probing for ideas as to what to get next.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on November 20, 2008 - 09:17:48 AM
Awesome!!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on November 20, 2008 - 09:28:46 AM
We are definitely going to have to build up that 727 !  :lol:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on November 20, 2008 - 09:43:20 AM
Convince the man to get a GOOOOD converter too when he does that  :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on November 20, 2008 - 09:46:34 AM
Convince the man to get a GOOOOD converter too when he does that  :grinyes: :grinyes: :grinyes:
Yup,keep saving that   :money:  Robert!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on November 20, 2008 - 11:59:30 AM
We are definitely going to have to build up that 727 !  :lol: 

 :iagree:  LOL!!! 

Awesome bro, keep us updated.

Don
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on November 20, 2008 - 12:58:58 PM
We are definitely going to have to build up that 727 !  :lol:

 :roflsmiley:

Yeah did I fail to mention that I was putting a BB in my car?  HAHA....This will be one sweet setup once complete..... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on November 20, 2008 - 01:36:26 PM
:roflsmiley:

Yeah did I fail to mention that I was putting a BB in my car?  HAHA....This will be one sweet setup once complete..... :2thumbs:
No,I just did not realize it was going to a 500 C.I.D.  :burnout:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on November 20, 2008 - 01:37:20 PM
No,I just did not realize it was going to a 500 C.I.D.  :burnout:

Minor details my friend.... :roflsmiley:

 :cooldancing:   :burnout:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on November 20, 2008 - 02:53:14 PM
kevlar bands and blue clutches.....  :working:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on November 20, 2008 - 03:18:31 PM
blue clutches..... 
:grinno:  ................... waste of money.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on November 20, 2008 - 05:19:04 PM
:grinno:  ................... waste of money.

why is that....  :lol2:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on November 21, 2008 - 10:10:08 AM
They do not grip or hold better than the other stuff out there and they are 4 times the price!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on November 21, 2008 - 01:52:27 PM
first I ever heard that...  :eek7:
I done ever waste money what do you mean.....  :lol2:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on December 01, 2008 - 09:27:27 PM
Went today to drop the $$$ off for the assembly..... :woohoo:

So now that that's under way, I'll be taking in new ideas/suggestions as to where to spend my money next.....we talked about heads and he said he's got a set of 452's that he can do some minor port work on and save me a whole bunch of $$$ instead of going new or aluminum.  We also discussed intake and carb setup.  I told him I'm a big fan of the 6-pack setup and so is he, so I think I'm sold on that.  Now it's just cam, lifters, rockers, timing chains/gears (whatcha think of gears vs chains?), and oil pan.

Please chim in on ideas/thoughts on all this as I've stated before, I'm not expert on building a motor, but I think I'm surrounded by some pretty good people that can help guide me in the right direction.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on December 03, 2008 - 05:00:11 PM
mopar .528 solid cam / double roller chain / crane ductile iron rockers / 3.55 or 3.91's depending on tire and 3" exhaust :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on December 03, 2008 - 06:34:52 PM
All good choices  :iagree:
 I would use a 1.6 rocker with the .528 cam , or look into a Lunati solid grind instead of the older MP cam
 JP has an awesome Billet double roller chain with 7 keyways & a torrington brg  , make sure you use a 3 bolt chain & cam
 I woudl use the Hemi factory baffled pan
 
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 71chally416 on December 04, 2008 - 02:22:20 AM
Not a big fan of putting $$$ into old iron heads, but if you do here's your choices. For comparison a stock truck 5.7 Hemi head flows over 270cfm with a 2" valve.  :faint:


Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on December 04, 2008 - 03:27:12 PM
Not a big fan of putting $$$ into old iron heads, but if you do here's your choices. For comparison a stock truck 5.7 Hemi head flows over 270cfm with a 2" valve.  :faint:


not argueing with you about the flow numbers but since were playing the numbers game using the 2.1HP per cfm of flow rule 270cfm comes up to about 560+HP and the 5.7 hemis are not even close to that.......

440 / 906 heads was rated at "375" Hp and only 200 cfm at stock cam lift which is about 410HP as per flow numbers and is down 70cfm (150HP appx)compared to the 5.7 hemi with the smaller valve....

I also hate all in house dynos of ANY kind...... yes they are a tool for a number but thats it and can be very misleading! IMO a real dyno is 1320ft long and tells you what the motor likes and the car wants  :working:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 71chally416 on December 04, 2008 - 06:43:37 PM
The 5.7 Hemi is way undercammed and is strapped with horrible exhaust manifolds. I've seen tests where they just switch the cam and install headers and kiss 500hp, with the low compression they have stock, the stock valve springs and just 345 cubes. It isn't hard to imagine getting 560hp from one with the normal race motor tricks like more compression and a little head work (300cfm is cake on them with a little port cleanup) Those HP figures you see for air flow through cylinder heads are worthless if the right parts aren't used along with them to take full advantage of it, and the engine has to have the ability to operate at the rpm necessary.

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/smallblockshootout/0602phr_hemi/index.html

I think your better off spending money on some better heads and retaining the stock 440 cubes instead of stuffing a bigger arm in an already big motor if you have a limited budget to work with. You want more HP, not more TQ. A big 440 already has plenty of that. Just my  :2cents:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: nivvy on December 04, 2008 - 07:12:44 PM
I agree why not spend the same money on aluminum over iron... some people are purist..... if you want a fully worked set of iron heads buy them off someone already done and you get em way better of a deal then having them completely gone over yourself.... let them take the loss  :2cents:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: moparmaniac59 on December 04, 2008 - 07:39:09 PM
Sounds like you're gonna have a great motor there RDF. You've got some great folks here for advice. A stroker sounds like fun and gobs of power if done right!! I've got a 440 that I plan on sticking a set of aluminum 440 source Stealth heads on this summer. I plan on doing like 71Chally416 mentioned and going with better heads and cam on the standard 440. Since you are still looking for cam selection I too would like to know what folks out there recommend in a hyd roller??

                                                              Matt B.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 71chally416 on December 04, 2008 - 07:56:33 PM
I'm not a big fan of the hydraulic rollers. They're great for stock 318's and 360's but They seem to suffer at high RPM with the more aggressive race grinds. Probably better off going with a flat tappet solid cam like an Engle or Lunati.   
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on December 04, 2008 - 08:20:15 PM
if you want a fully worked set of iron heads buy them off someone already done and you get em way better of a deal then having them completely gone over yourself.... let them take the loss  :2cents:

 :iagree:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 71chally416 on December 04, 2008 - 10:37:20 PM
:iagree: As long as they were done right and valves aren't all sunk. They'll flow worse than stockers if they are.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 74 340 4speed on December 06, 2008 - 12:13:29 AM
If it were me, I would put a 4 barrel intake and carb on it and use that extra money towards your heads.  Going this route would give you at least 400-700 more dollars to work with on the heads.  The power will be in the heads/cam/compression.   Whats the word on the aluminum 440 source heads?  $900 fully assembled and ready to bolt on.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on December 06, 2008 - 01:08:03 AM
Whats the word on the aluminum 440 source heads?  $900 fully assembled and ready to bolt on.

Yes they are 900.00 but the consensus is to change out the retainers to 10* due to a rash of failures.  Still the best route to go as far as heads go.  The Stealths flow better OTB then Stage VI's.  Also there is a lot of maintance with a 6pk setup,  I would go 4bl setup with a large carb 950+   :2cents:

Don
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 07, 2009 - 09:31:34 AM
Hey all,

Just got off the phone with Vic....the short block is done!  :bananasmi  :ylsuper:

Next up, the heads.....He's got some 452's laying around that he will open up a bit and redo the valves, retainers, and springs.  We're going with a slightly larger valve (2.14/181) to give it a little more umph than stock.  Once that's done, then we'll move to cam, lifters and push rods.....taking suggestions on a cam please.....I LOVE the sound of a mild to big cam....nothing like the "chug, glug" noise coming out of the hood.....please help me with this because I am real ignorant when it comes to cams and their setups.

 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on January 07, 2009 - 09:42:31 AM
Robert, Lunati Voodoo's are hard to beat.

http://www.lunaticams.com/ProductGroup.aspx?id=297&cid=88 (http://www.lunaticams.com/ProductGroup.aspx?id=297&cid=88)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 07, 2009 - 09:49:17 AM
Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 250/256
Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 208/213
Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .454/.454
LSA/ICL: 112/108
Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd
RPM Range: idle-5000


 :clueless:  :clueless:  :clueless:  what the heck are all those numbers and more importantly WHAT DO THEY MEAN?   :dunno:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on January 07, 2009 - 10:05:22 AM
Here is ALOT of good info Robert,read up!  ;)
http://www.lunaticams.com/Tech/Default.aspx (http://www.lunaticams.com/Tech/Default.aspx)

Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on January 07, 2009 - 10:43:16 AM
http://www.lunaticams.com/Product.aspx?id=1580&gid=287

http://www.lunaticams.com/Product.aspx?id=1581&gid=287

There are the two cams I would look at if this were my engine.  Hey guys chime in as I dont think he is getting the most ouf of his application.

Don
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 07, 2009 - 11:02:56 AM
I use the older UltraDyne grinds available through Lunati , TF series lobs with around 250* @ .o50 & .580 lift for street engines running up to 6000 Rpm
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 07, 2009 - 12:28:43 PM
Hey guys chime in as I dont think he is getting the most ouf of his application.

Yes, please....because now that the short block is done, I want to get the best setup/match for the top end items.  I'll be running a 6-pack setup for sure, 452 heads, but outside of that, I don't have anything else "set" in stone.  I see on Lunati's website that they recommend using correct valves, springs, etc. to match the cam....is that just a sales pitch to get you to buy their items or is it really recommended?  If so, I should probably pick out a cam with the builder so he knows what set of hardware to get for the heads, no?  :dunno:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on January 07, 2009 - 05:05:46 PM
I would go with the lifters they recommend for sure as far as valve and retainers and springs I will defult to some of the more detail savy guys here.

Don
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on January 07, 2009 - 06:17:41 PM
I see on Lunati's website that they recommend using correct valves, springs, etc. to match the cam....is that just a sales pitch to get you to buy their items or is it really recommended? 
No sales pitch,springs need to match the cam profile.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: moparmaniac59 on January 07, 2009 - 10:04:28 PM
If your wallet would afford it, I'd go with a hydraulic roller cam!! :woo: :woo:




                                                                       Matt B.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 08, 2009 - 01:30:20 AM
Do not use Lunatis solid lifters if you are going flat tappet , they are stupid heavy , the hollow Mopar ones are better
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 09, 2009 - 06:12:30 PM
Went down to see Vic again today....he had a spacer for my 360, so we put it in to help with the vapor lock and boy did it work well....but I also got to see my motor since the rotating assembly went in....Here's some pics, sorry the one is so fuzzy, but it was taken with my phone camera.  They just got a new balancer when my assembly arrived, so they were balancing my stuff and were having so much fun with the new machine that they didn't realize how GOOD they balanced my parts.....I guess .2 on the crank is good enough for Pro-stock or Nascar, according to the balancer sheet....mine came out .07 and .05...  :woo:  He'll give me the print out once the motor is all done, but to say they least, I'm very happy.   :bigsmile:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on January 09, 2009 - 06:26:04 PM
good luck with it! however i think that six pack you want will be quite a handful to keep in tune! lol
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 09, 2009 - 09:13:53 PM
I disagree once set a 6 pack will nt cause problems if it is set correctly anyway
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on January 09, 2009 - 11:35:07 PM
Key = "once it is set"  :icon16:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 72hemi on January 09, 2009 - 11:46:25 PM
I've run two 6 packs on 440 engines. the first I ordered a brand new setup from Mopar, bolted it on and went for a drive. Never had to do any adjusting at all and it ran like a bat out of hell. The second was an original direct connection setup with mechanical outboards and I did the same thing with it, just bolted it on and went for a ride and once again no tuning required. I hear a lot of people complain of 6 packs being hard to tune and stay in tune, but from my experience they are the best thing since sliced bread.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 10, 2009 - 04:40:56 AM
it is not a whole lot more complicated then setting a 4 bbl as long as you think of the system as a 4 bbl & tune accordingly
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 426HEMI on January 10, 2009 - 04:46:40 AM
I had 1 440/6 and one small block 6 pack.  I never had any problems setting them up.  Still considering another 6 pack for my car now.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 10, 2009 - 08:10:58 AM
I've heard both ends....good and bad...usually, the good is from those that have runthem in their car and know first hand....the bad is usually from those who never had them in their car but have tried to tinker with them and had bad luck.....either way, Vic knows them inside and out and said he could rebuild them from scratch if needed, that's how good he knows them.  He runs them on one of his dusters and gets about 13-14mpg out of it.....So if anyone knows of any 6-pack setups/parts, please let me know.....I'll try to piece one together if I can't find the whole thing....

Neil, I called that guy you refered me to a while back about a 6-pack but never heard from him.... :dunno:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 10, 2009 - 12:03:10 PM
try him again ... still have the # ?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 10, 2009 - 04:18:07 PM
try him again ... still have the # ?

yup....I will try again next week... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: The Cuda Guy on January 10, 2009 - 04:22:57 PM
You are dead nuts, I have never owned one (6pk) and am not overly familar with them.  I was not speaking from experience, but from my friends and family over the years.  I hope your 6pk works out!  I think they are awesome!  Good luck bro!

Don
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on May 02, 2009 - 06:24:44 PM
Ok, sorry for the LONG, overdue update, but I've been battling some things personally that have kept me away from this site so long.

Here's the Balancing sheets on my rotating assembly.  I lucked out because the guy doing my motor just got a brand new machine, so mine was the 2nd one on it to be balanced. If you look at the 1st sheet, on the bottom you'll see the Final Spin.....Target Tolerance is 0.2 oz-in; that's Pro-Street/NASCAR area from what I've been told.....mine are LEFT SIDE: 0.07 and RIGHT SIDE 0.05!!  :ylsuper:  And check out the page 2 on the Rod weights and Piston & Pins weights....only .1 off on just a few.....

So, needless to say, I am SUPER happy with these results.....

I just dropped the heads off to him (452's) and he will check them for cracks, put all new hardware in them and open them up slightly as well.  We then need to decide on a cam (before purchasing all the valves/springs, etc.)

I need to call him next week to see what setup he will recommend and then we can go from there.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: moparniac on May 03, 2009 - 07:04:45 AM
You have 500 cubes........ get a real set of heads down the road and take advantage of all that cid....   :burnout:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on May 03, 2009 - 09:52:17 AM
You have 500 cubes........ get a real set of heads down the road and take advantage of all that cid....   :burnout:

Yes, you are correct Stroker.....unfortunately, funds are at an all time LOW.....LOL....so I'm looking to get my motor done as best I can, for what I can afford.  The nice thing is I'll be able to upgrade those heads later on and gain more hp from the motor.  :naughty:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on October 10, 2009 - 07:51:57 AM
Sorry for the long, overdue update, but as some of you know on this forum, I was hit with the unexpectancies (sp?) of life about 6 months ago and found out my wife had Thyriod cancer.  She underwent the 10 hour surgery and is recovering to almost 100% now.....no sign of that aweful c word.....let's hope it stays that way.

So I've had some time to think of my motor and ways to fund it now that the economy is in the hole and the new medical bills.....so I decided to sell my motor, transmission, and exhaust out of the car.  I know I won't be able to drive ti for a while, but I've got some other big plans that require it to be tied up for some time as well, so it's not a big issue.

Today I am taking it to the buyers work and we are pulling all that.....it'll be nice because it's a shop and he had all the air tools, engine hoist, etc.

I'll post some pics when done.....but with the $$$ I get from this, I should be able to purchase my cam, lifters, springs, windage tray, balancer, oil pan and a few other odd ends.......which will complete the motor beside the accessories (water pump, alt., etc).   :cooldancing:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: moparmaniac59 on October 10, 2009 - 08:27:58 AM
Hey Bob,
Glad to hear your wife is doing well. That's what's important. Also glad you are able to keep the car and re-group. Sounds like a good plan. You'll be up and running before you know it and have a drivetrain done to your exact specs. I went almost the same route with my car. I had a decent 440, but always wanted to build a stroker. I put together a plan, pulled and sold my old motor and about 6 months later had a wicked stroker. Now it's all fun. Keep us posted on the project and good luck. I'll keep your wife in my prayers for a complete recovery!!

                              Matt B.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 10, 2009 - 02:25:23 PM
 :iagree:
 I am glad your wife is OK & you are able to move forward even if you canot drive your toy for a while
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on October 10, 2009 - 04:11:50 PM
Thanks guys...much appreciated....

Got the motor pulled today...there were 3 of us so the motor, transmission, and exhaust was out in 2.5
hours....not too shabby.....here's some pics...I didn't get many, mainly because I was trying to help!  LOL

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image001.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image008.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image009.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image011.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image010.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image012.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image013.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image015.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image014.jpg)

I'm not in any of these, but the guy in black is the one who bought it....he's got a 67 Dart that he'll be putting it in.  I told him about the site so hopefully he'll join.  I made a good friend today....hoping to ride with him in the future.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: inot2old on October 10, 2009 - 04:48:01 PM
Nice looking car, Bob. lol   Sorry to hear about your wifes problems, but am glad she is doing better.  I hope you are going to paint that engine bay now that it is empty.  Good luck with your 440.  I would love to put a 6pk on mine, my buddy had one for sale at Carlisle for $2000, I would have bought it if I had the money.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: shadango on October 11, 2009 - 08:08:16 AM
Hey Bob...

My wife was diagnosed with thyroid cancer a couple years ago so I know exactly what you're going through.

The great news is that t.c. is the easiest cancer to treat these days with almost perfect success I am told. Everybody seems to say "If you have to pick a cancer to get, thyroid cancer is the one you would pick."  Sounds absurd I guess but all they are saying is that its easily treatable, the side effects from treatment aren't too bad and the success rate is very very high.

My wife went through the treatments and has been certified cancer free, which is the answer to my prayers.  She will still need to go back once a year for a while  to make sure.

PM me and I will share my experience if you want to talk about it.....hang in there friend. Just be there for her and the rest will take care of itself.

In the meantime, that car is looking awesome!  I am working on my tranny and engine vibration issue....I may be looking at a engine build (though not a BB) if I have the vibes after my new Breakaway and rebuilt tranny go in in a week or two.....so your thread is really great for info.

 
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on October 11, 2009 - 07:11:48 PM
Nice looking car, Bob. lol   Sorry to hear about your wifes problems, but am glad she is doing better.  I hope you are going to paint that engine bay now that it is empty.  Good luck with your 440.  I would love to put a 6pk on mine, my buddy had one for sale at Carlisle for $2000, I would have bought it if I had the money.

Hey Bill,
I was thinking of the 6pck thing as well, but as you already know, it's just too expensive (at least for me right now).....I'll put them on eventually, but for now a good intake and carb will work.

Hey Bob...

My wife was diagnosed with thyroid cancer a couple years ago so I know exactly what you're going through.

The great news is that t.c. is the easiest cancer to treat these days with almost perfect success I am told. Everybody seems to say "If you have to pick a cancer to get, thyroid cancer is the one you would pick."  Sounds absurd I guess but all they are saying is that its easily treatable, the side effects from treatment aren't too bad and the success rate is very very high.

My wife went through the treatments and has been certified cancer free, which is the answer to my prayers.  She will still need to go back once a year for a while  to make sure.

PM me and I will share my experience if you want to talk about it.....hang in there friend. Just be there for her and the rest will take care of itself.

In the meantime, that car is looking awesome!  I am working on my tranny and engine vibration issue....I may be looking at a engine build (though not a BB) if I have the vibes after my new Breakaway and rebuilt tranny go in in a week or two.....so your thread is really great for info.

Thank you for this, I will PM you and share with you what's been going on....even though it's been 5 months since surgery and her radioiodine treatments, I hardly get sleep at night thinking about it.  I will PM you soon.

I just talked with my neighbor Ed who owns the sick, 68 Hemi Dart Clone that was in Mopar Magazine a couple of months ago.....greeat news, the guy that built the car for him is gonna sit with me and talk about everything we can do to the car; clean engine bay, hide wires, narrow the rear-end (maybe fully tub it too, if not too expensive), stuff like that.....this is great because he does show quality work for a fraction of the price; he just loves to do it.

Here's Ed's Dart.....talk about steamrollers.....
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image192.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/image197.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on March 16, 2010 - 10:52:17 AM
I got a call from Vic and my motor is complete.  I just owe labor now   :faint:  But I should have that in the coming month or two and get this car back on the road.  I've had plenty of time to think about what I want to do with it and I've got some major plans.....stay tuned for more updates (sorry they can't come sooner!).
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on March 16, 2010 - 10:54:51 AM
Hello Robert! How's it going?  :wave:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: TROUBLE987 on March 23, 2010 - 03:30:48 PM
Hey you going to have it dyno? i have had (3) 499 motors in the past.my first one me and my dad built when i was 17..it was a pump gas motor with a set of stock heads herb meccandless work the crap out of for us and it went 1230 in the quater mile in a stock trim gtx..then i sold the car and built another one to put in 71 cuda this one we went the same herb heads accept a 590 soild lift came,and had barrnett performance dyno it for us it made 570hp 550tq...i took the cuda to the track and it ran 1170 first pass i blew my trans up an the second one..so i put a jw trans in the car and the rear flew apart..it push the pinion gear thru the hog head..so i fix that and drove it for a while..then i had barnett build me a stroker..with a 650 solid lift cam and 12.5 comp..and with the same heads it made 637hp and 605tq all under 6200rpms..i started racing the motor and start seeing alot of problems..the 500inch motors with 10.5 comp are good for the street and to play around with but if u start building them like i was they are not going to last..like goody said...the problems i seen with the motors was bad main cap walk,the rod to stroke ratio is not good on them..so rpms on them is a no no,so if you go out and by a set of indy heads 440-1 fully ported you are wasting your money cause to use the heads for what they are you got to turn the rpms..and when you the mains when come out the bottom of the motor...so i guess what im saying bob is dont get carried away on the motor and it will be fine..but if you really wanna fly build the second best motor out of the mopar camp the 451 them motors are a beast..i have had 1 and once you build one you want ever look at a 500 nothing again and i have ran against all the big motors 500,572,you name it and when i tell them what i got they cant belive it..872 @150 10inch tire demon oh and on a stock block no problems for 8 years now..thats durability oh and of course with a 300 shot..
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on March 25, 2010 - 08:56:08 AM
Hello Robert! How's it going?  :wave:

Hey Big T.....things are going ok.  Been super busy with work and especially with my wife.  She has had to go to Houston a couple of times this year for some neck scans but all went well and they show no signs of that yucky C stuff in there anymore.  She goes again in June for another full body scan so we're crossing our fingers that it comes back negative.

How's the shop doing?  I've missed working on my car, but somethings can wait.  I've finally gotten through the holidays (financially) so I'm saving the $$$ to pay the labor on my motor.  it'll be nice to get it home and to start working on it again.  I've got a 727 short-tail that I need to rebuild and am thinking I will do another thread on it like we did for the 904.  That information was so invaluable to me (and I hope others) that I think this will be the same.   :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on March 25, 2010 - 08:59:06 AM
Hey you going to have it dyno? i have had (3) 499 motors in the past.my first one me and my dad built when i was 17..it was a pump gas motor with a set of stock heads herb meccandless work the crap out of for us and it went 1230 in the quater mile in a stock trim gtx..then i sold the car and built another one to put in 71 cuda this one we went the same herb heads accept a 590 soild lift came,and had barrnett performance dyno it for us it made 570hp 550tq...i took the cuda to the track and it ran 1170 first pass i blew my trans up an the second one..so i put a jw trans in the car and the rear flew apart..it push the pinion gear thru the hog head..so i fix that and drove it for a while..then i had barnett build me a stroker..with a 650 solid lift cam and 12.5 comp..and with the same heads it made 637hp and 605tq all under 6200rpms..i started racing the motor and start seeing alot of problems..the 500inch motors with 10.5 comp are good for the street and to play around with but if u start building them like i was they are not going to last..like goody said...the problems i seen with the motors was bad main cap walk,the rod to stroke ratio is not good on them..so rpms on them is a no no,so if you go out and by a set of indy heads 440-1 fully ported you are wasting your money cause to use the heads for what they are you got to turn the rpms..and when you the mains when come out the bottom of the motor...so i guess what im saying bob is dont get carried away on the motor and it will be fine..but if you really wanna fly build the second best motor out of the mopar camp the 451 them motors are a beast..i have had 1 and once you build one you want ever look at a 500 nothing again and i have ran against all the big motors 500,572,you name it and when i tell them what i got they cant belive it..872 @150 10inch tire demon oh and on a stock block no problems for 8 years now..thats durability oh and of course with a 300 shot..

Thanks for all that info!  This will truely be a street car and nothing more.  It may change a couple of years from now but for now, I just want to enjoy showing the motor off at a few local car shows and feeling the power behind it if I need to.  No drag-strips every weekend for me.....I may go out for a couple of passes to see how it does and that's all.  I'd like to get it dyno'd but I'm debating whether to do it in or out of the car....don't really know the advantages/disadvantages of either..... :dunno:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on March 25, 2010 - 09:17:13 AM
Good to hear about the wife.  :thumbsup: My wife went thru the Ovarian "C" thing in '01 (9-11 as a matter of fact!) and she is doing great!! When you are ready to tackle that 727, just start a thread and we will "get at it!"  :cheers:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on March 25, 2010 - 09:32:58 AM
Sounds all is going well Robert! Bet the 'Cuda runs pretty well now, post up some new pics when you can.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on March 25, 2010 - 10:46:45 AM
Hey Bob...

My wife was diagnosed with thyroid cancer a couple years ago so I know exactly what you're going through.

The great news is that t.c. is the easiest cancer to treat these days with almost perfect success I am told. Everybody seems to say "If you have to pick a cancer to get, thyroid cancer is the one you would pick."  Sounds absurd I guess but all they are saying is that its easily treatable, the side effects from treatment aren't too bad and the success rate is very very high.

My wife went through the treatments and has been certified cancer free, which is the answer to my prayers.  She will still need to go back once a year for a while  to make sure.

PM me and I will share my experience if you want to talk about it.....hang in there friend. Just be there for her and the rest will take care of itself.

In the meantime, that car is looking awesome!  I am working on my tranny and engine vibration issue....I may be looking at a engine build (though not a BB) if I have the vibes after my new Breakaway and rebuilt tranny go in in a week or two.....so your thread is really great for info.

You're inbox is full.....please clear out... :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on April 12, 2010 - 12:54:25 PM
Sounds all is going well Robert! Bet the 'Cuda runs pretty well now, post up some new pics when you can.  :2thumbs:

Almost there Mike....not yet....I still have to get it back to my house and then get it back together.  I'm forcasting prob. late summer/fall before it's done.

Just keeping a checklist of things I need.  Feel free to suggest/comment on these as I'm sure I'm forgetting some things...

Intake
Carb
Water pump
Alternator
Starter
Headers
Radiator
Rebuild Trans. w/manual valvebody
Floor Shifter
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on April 12, 2010 - 01:07:02 PM
for a 440 I would use a 850 Proform carb & the Holley Street Dom intake part# 300-14
Use a Dodge Truck Mini starter off a Magnum out of the wrecking yard
Spend some $$ on the headers if you buy junk you will spend the savings on burned ign wires , I would go with TTi or Dougs headers
You can install a Milodon or Eddy high flow water pump into a stock housing or get an Alum water pump housing from a number of sources
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 10, 2010 - 09:15:11 AM
Well good news, I will FINALLY have the money to pick up my motor next weekend!  :jumping:  :bananasmi:

I am going down next Saturday to pick it up and drop off my 727 to have him rebuild it.  He's gonna give me a great deal for having my motor done there and I've been pretty busy at work which leaves me little time to do it at home (although I was looking foward to doing it with T online).

Once that gets done then the car is off to the body man to get mini-tubbed, frame rail support, and a motor plate......then fitted for 3" exhaust (that I still have from Stroker) and then she'll be up and running again!  I can't wait to get it back on the road!

I will put up some pics when I get it!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: tactransman on June 10, 2010 - 09:23:20 AM
 :clapping: :woohoo:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on July 08, 2010 - 07:54:44 AM
Ok, sorry for the long, overdue post, but as usual, things are quite busy around my house come summer time. 

I went down and finally paid off my motor!  :bananasmi  I got it home and it's still wrapped up in the bag as I don't plan to get it in right away....but here's a picture of it in the back of my buddy's pick up truck:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Brakes/IMAG0053.jpg)

I will take more pics once I get it on my engine stand and the plastic off.  This is great motivation for me now as I am starting to save more $$$ for the mini-tubbing and suspension work to be done in the fall.....can't WAIT!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on July 09, 2010 - 02:29:34 AM
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on September 21, 2011 - 12:39:19 PM
Almost there Mike....not yet....I still have to get it back to my house and then get it back together.  I'm forcasting prob. late summer/fall before it's done.

Just keeping a checklist of things I need.  Feel free to suggest/comment on these as I'm sure I'm forgetting some things...

Intake
Carb
Water pump
Alternator
Starter
Headers
Radiator
Rebuild Trans. w/manual valvebody
Floor Shifter

So I know I'm not the best about keeping this thread up to date, but reality is, life is just too busy sometimes  :cheers:.  My appologies, I will try harder to post a little more in the future.

Since getting my motor back I've done a few more things to the car and it's well on its way to being complete...but I've still got some items to get.  I made a list last time and have managed to get a few knocked off but want to list them again so I don't forget and in case anyone thinks of something that I might have forgotten.

Intake
Carb
Water pump
Alternator
Starter
Headers
Radiator
Rebuild Trans. w/manual valvebody
Floor Shifter
Fuel lines
Brake lines
Rear Shocks
Power Steering Pump
Distributor

Any recommendations for this stuff would be greatly appreciated...Chryco made some the last time which I am still considering for the parts I still need:

for a 440 I would use a 850 Proform carb & the Holley Street Dom intake part# 300-14
Use a Dodge Truck Mini starter off a Magnum out of the wrecking yard
Spend some $$ on the headers if you buy junk you will spend the savings on burned ign wires , I would go with TTi or Dougs headers
You can install a Milodon or Eddy high flow water pump into a stock housing or get an Alum water pump housing from a number of sources

We are going out on Sunday to pickup my car....I'll try to take some pix if I can.  I had a local friend put some frame-rail supports in, relocate my battery to the trunk (including a new battery box  :bananasmi) and put new springs in with a relocation kit as well.  So I've got more room under the backside now and I just need to figure out a good size tire to squeeze in there.  Any recommendations on how to calculate backspacing is appreciated!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on September 21, 2011 - 02:08:46 PM
put on a wheel with a known back space & see how it fits .
Do you know what wheels width do you want to fit in there ?
so if you put on an 8" wheel with a 4" backspace & you have 2" to the spring & 2" to the body you know you need a center offset wheel so if you go to 10 " you need a 5" backspace
I f you put on an 8" wheel with 4 " back space & you have 2" to the spring & 1" to the body so you need to add 1/2" to center the wheel so a 4.5" backspace will center the rim , so if you went to a 10" rim you need a 5.5" back space
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on September 26, 2011 - 10:02:51 AM
put on a wheel with a known back space & see how it fits .
Do you know what wheels width do you want to fit in there ?
so if you put on an 8" wheel with a 4" backspace & you have 2" to the spring & 2" to the body you know you need a center offset wheel so if you go to 10 " you need a 5" backspace
I f you put on an 8" wheel with 4 " back space & you have 2" to the spring & 1" to the body so you need to add 1/2" to center the wheel so a 4.5" backspace will center the rim , so if you went to a 10" rim you need a 5.5" back space


Not exactly sure on the size but I'm 99% it'll be either a 15x8 or 9 rim.  My neighbor's got a great tire on his dart and we're gonna try that on my car and see how it fits.  If all goes well, I'll use that.....thanks for that info...I need to measure some things out under there and see what I'm working with.

Here's some pix as promised from picking up my car.

Sub-frame connectors
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/sub-frame1.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/sub-frame2.jpg)

Spring relocations (you can see he had to weld a custom made bar to the inside bumper bracket for the hangers to go on)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/spring-relo-kit2.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/spring-relo-kit.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/rear_bumper.jpg)

Battery box
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/battery-box.jpg)

Car on the trailer coming home!
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/on_trailer.jpg)

I've also got a motor plate but didn't have the $$$ to have him customize it, so that'll come in the near future. 

So now that I have it back, I am looking to clean up my firewall.  Tack up all the holes and make the firewall and fender walls looks as smooth as I can.  Any suggestions on how to strip the old paint that's in there?  I used a degreaser agent a couple of weeks ago and my pressure washer....it seemed to have stripped the grease and some of the paint but there's still a lot left.  I have a grinder, is there an attachment I can get for it to put a wire wheel on it and use that or is that not a good idea, lol?  Just looking for something to strip it pretty quick....oh, and I don't have a compressor unfortunately   :walkaway:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on September 26, 2011 - 08:30:53 PM
aircraft paint stripper will make short work of the paint removal
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 20, 2012 - 10:49:01 AM
Same ol' same ol' here....been working 2 jobs lately so the 'Cuda has taken a back seat for a long time unfortunately. My sister and her kids did visit during x-mas so my 16 year old nephew was showing me how to use my welder.  We welded up most of the holes in my firewall and grind them down too.  Some of the welds I did are shakey at best but the only way I'll get better is to keep at it.  I've got an old hood that I practice on as well, but the metal is so thin on the firewall, it's hard to hit it without it melting.

Here's some pix from that evening:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5924.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5934.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5925.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5926.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5927.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5928.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_5932.jpg)

I also got the opportunity to try on my neighbor's rear tires from his Dart.  Looks like there's plenty of space in the back now that the springs have been moved in.  I'll post all the details a bit later but I've got a ton of questions regarding rim selection and backspacing.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: dutch on February 20, 2012 - 05:15:39 PM
hey RDF,
good to see you`re back at the cuda  :2thumbs:   
mind if I give you some welding advice...?
you mention the sheetmetal being so thin.  It looks like a pretty rustfree area from the pics, which means the metal is not that thin. You really need to take your time welding sheet.  Turn down the amps and weld short intervals. Give the metal a second  to cool before hitting it again. Make sure the surface is clean. The color of the flame is very yellow in the picture. That`s looks like you`re burning up a bunch of paint and other crap there. Also, it`s important you keep the liner in line with your welding torch. The way it kinks will prevent the wire from coming through at a steady pass.
Can`t wait to see that 440 in there  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on May 10, 2012 - 01:04:30 PM
hey RDF,
good to see you`re back at the cuda  :2thumbs:   
mind if I give you some welding advice...?
you mention the sheetmetal being so thin.  It looks like a pretty rustfree area from the pics, which means the metal is not that thin. You really need to take your time welding sheet.  Turn down the amps and weld short intervals. Give the metal a second  to cool before hitting it again. Make sure the surface is clean. The color of the flame is very yellow in the picture. That`s looks like you`re burning up a bunch of paint and other crap there. Also, it`s important you keep the liner in line with your welding torch. The way it kinks will prevent the wire from coming through at a steady pass.
Can`t wait to see that 440 in there  :2thumbs:

 :cheers:

Thank you for this advice....I've been stumbling with welding lately but then again, I haven't had much practice so I'm still extremely new to this.

I was able to do some work the past few nights on the 'Cuda....welding is still a mess.  I am having issues with the torch seems to be "spitting" and "sputtering" when I am trying to weld.  Although after reading the above post, it could have been due to my liner not being as straight as it could have been (actually I think it was pretty kinked).  Anyhow, this is my most recent trouble with welding.....my welds look like spaghetti!

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/welds.jpg)

Not too sure why....can anyone help?

Here's the rest of the fender/firewall that I had time to do:

This is the 2nd picture from above, after I hit it with the grinder.  Those holes are too much to fill with weld so I'm just gonna use some type of filler there.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/weld1.jpg)

Driver's side fender (note, I stripped the fender AFTER I welded...duh...now I know better):
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/weld2.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: dutch on May 11, 2012 - 10:28:32 AM
looks like too much wire and bad ground from here... 
before you start welding on the car, weld up a couple pieces of new clean sheetmetal.  That way you know if you have a ground problem when working on the car. 
Are you using a filled wire or gas welder?  ditch the filled wire if you`re using that  :2cents:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on May 11, 2012 - 11:09:20 AM
looks like too much wire and bad ground from here... 
before you start welding on the car, weld up a couple pieces of new clean sheetmetal.  That way you know if you have a ground problem when working on the car. 
Are you using a filled wire or gas welder?  ditch the filled wire if you`re using that  :2cents:

I'm using filled (I believe), it's .35 flux wire.....my welder doesn't have any gas attached to it, although it does have a nozzle for it.

I did just what you mentioned this morning....I have a spare 1/2 hood that I practiced on and I think the speed was too quick...but then again, I had a different ground so that could have been the issue as well.  Either way, thanks for the tips and help.  I'll post some more pics once I get a little better.....practice makes perfect!   :cheers:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 10, 2012 - 09:16:21 AM
Still pluggin' away at the 'Cuda....getting better at welding too  ;)  I put an ad on Craigslist to sell my 90g saltwater fish tank.  After 10+ years in the hobby, I can't do it anymore....not with the 'Cuda needing attention, as well as my powerlifting hobby....plus my family....too much to do and not enough "me" to spread around, lol.  So I didn't get any takers on the tank so I decided to put it in the "trade/barter" section in hopes that I could get a good welder or air compressor for it.  I get an email that blew me away, here's the short version "Hi, I'm interested in your tank.  I do auto body work/paint and was wondering if you would like to trade my services for your tank?"  WHAT?  I really couldn't believe my eyes when I read it.  I'm always the first one to think everything is a scam, so I took my time, contacted this guy via phone, email, text, and he's legit.  He really wants a saltwater tank that's all setup and such (like mine).  So he made up a small "contract" with what we agreed on, both signed and dated it, exchanged copies of our driver's license, and now the deal is under way!  He's going to sand down my car, repair any rust spots, knicks, etc. prime it, then paint it Satin Black in exchange for my saltwater tank plus me giving an extra $200.  Now don't get me wrong, I know I'm coming out on the good end of this deal (and he even admitted it too) but my tank is worth close to 2k with everything that I'm giving him....still, it's a great deal for me. 

So part of the agreement was for me to help him do "less" work than he needed, so I took off the doors, hood, trunk, and rear valance and he came by last weekend to get them so he could prep them up.  Here's some photos that he sent me:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2_5.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3_3.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3_2.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_4_2.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_6_2.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2_3.jpg)

Now the driver's door had some issues on the bottom and instead of hiding it or trying to cover it up, he called me and sent me the pix to explain it and asked me what I wanted to do.  He wasn't asking for any money or anything like that, just being honest and wanting to know what I wanted to do.  He recommended I try to find another door but I really can't afford one (even used, after shipping, etc.), so he's going to work his magic and do his best to make it as clean as possible.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_6.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2_2.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_5.jpg)

He's hoping to get them sprayed this weekend and I'll have some more pix if so. 

I'm really excited to get this started....this was a BIG piece of the puzzle that I was worried about being able to afford to make my car look the way I envisioned it.  Here's what Aaron and I came up with a while back...
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/RDF_A_01_satin.jpg)

I won't be able to do the rims or "lowered" suspension work just yet, but you get the idea.  :naughty:

Oh yeah, I also scored a Holly carb, intake, and chrome air filter housing and K&M filter for a really good price from a good friend of mine.  He upgraded his 440 to a 6-pack and sold me what he had....so just another couple of things to knock off the list!

Intake
Carb
Water pump
Alternator
Starter
Headers
Radiator
Rebuild Trans. w/manual valvebody
Floor Shifter
Fuel lines
Brake lines
Rear Shocks
Power Steering Pump
Distributor

Can someone recommend where I can get ALL my brake lines from?  I see them online everywhere but they look like "kits" and some look like they're missing lines....I am needed ALL new brake lines so I'd like to get it from one place if possible.  Also, recommendations on fuel line size?  I know it depends on the sending unit, but the tank is out and I can change that if needed.

Thanks again and even though I don't post often, I'm in here quit a bit checking things out and reading logs....thanks to everyone for your help, advice, and support...much appreciated!  :cheers:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GranCuda1970 on August 10, 2012 - 09:26:20 AM
You can get the brake lines you need from Dave  at Roseville moparts a member here.
                                                                Year one has everything you need
                                                                 Finelines has them also
                                                                 Classic industries

Many places and if you need the booster you can get one from theRAMMAN.com
                                                                                        Jimsautoparts.com
                                                                                        Herbs parts
                                                                                        Dante's parts

tons of sites
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: dutch on August 10, 2012 - 11:00:03 AM
still sounds like a good deal to me.   :2thumbs:
I started work on my car 5-6 years ago, with no funds whatsoever... $0.00.....  It has been a struggle from day one to get where I`m now, but I`m almost done building what I had in mind  :bananasmi    bank account still showing $0.00 though  :misbehaving:   just keep looking at Aaron`s chop and keep going. You`ll find ways to get er done  :burnout: :bigshades:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 13, 2012 - 08:59:34 AM
Thanks Dutch & GrandCuda for the links and such...much appreciated!  :2thumbs:

Got a few pix from the guy this weekend:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_4_4.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3_4.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2_6.jpg)

I was also super-busy with the 'Cuda this weekend...taking off the grill, front valance, tail lights, marker lights, windshield wiper motor, brake booster (Thanks to Chryco for an old post that helped me figure this out!), and front interior kick panels.  My grill is messed up more than I though...so looking for ideas on how to fix it.  It's cracked in several places but completely broken off in 2 others.  The 2 separate pieces are small, so I'm hoping there's a fiberglass type of glue that I can use to hold it back together....any ideas?  :dunno:

Once I saw the car with the marker lights off, I really wanted to start the process of shaving them, but it was late.  I've never done it before but is it better to put a plate behind the fender and weld that OR should I cut out the metal piece to fit in the hole and then weld it, like this:
(http://lilmoe.jalbum.net/cuda/slides/tacked%20up%20marker%20light.jpg)

Here's mine...front and rear:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8120085.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8120086.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 15, 2012 - 11:58:23 AM
Decided to try and shave my markers last night....got one semi-done:

Warning: My welds are awful  :smilielol:

Prep:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140099.jpg)

The plate:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140101.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140102.jpg)

I put it in place to see how it would look:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140103.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140104.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140105.jpg)

Then tacked it in place:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140106.jpg)

Then welded the rest and used my grinder to get it down - this is my first pass with the welder:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140107.jpg)

I noticed I missed a bunch of spots so went back at it again and again, between the welder and the grinder to where it was finally too late (at night) to do anymore.  I know it looks like a big chunk is taken out in this first picture but it's just the lighting:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140109.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140108.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8140110.jpg)

I've got to finish it up later...maybe hit it with a mess abrasive grinding wheel or something (suggestions?) cause the one I have seems to be too rough and it takes off too much of the weld once I get down close.

Lessons learned:

STILL getting used to welding and the heat thing.  I noticed when I would start welding (after taking a break), the welds seems to pop and be all over the place, but then it seemed once the plate got heated up, the welds went nice and smooth and hardly any issues.  Here's the welder I'm using:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMAG0398.jpg)

Gasless, but my brother is hooking me up with all the stuff I need to use gas, so looking forward to that when it comes in the mail!  :2thumbs:

At any rate, I'll be back at it tomorrow night to do another marker and hopefully things will go a bit better with the things I learned this time around. Suggestions/comments are always welcome.  :)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on August 15, 2012 - 12:19:37 PM
can you go to a smaller wire , .028 or so ?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 15, 2012 - 12:30:00 PM
can you go to a smaller wire , .028 or so ?

Actually, I could...never thought of that  :clueless:.  I'll try that out and see how it works.  Thanks Neil  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on August 15, 2012 - 03:55:41 PM
the smaller wire takes less power to burn & is less likely to burn through the sheet metal
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 72cudamaan on August 15, 2012 - 04:55:03 PM
the smaller wire takes less power to burn & is less likely to burn through the sheet metal

But if you set the machine for the same amperage, the larger wire will retain more of the heat thus
resulting in a cooler weld. At least that is my theory and it worked great for me. It looks as though you really
 need the gas set-up. It's the only way to go.
It also sounds like you need to clean up your ground clamping surface as well
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 67vertman on August 15, 2012 - 08:34:57 PM
You don't need to be an expert welder.......just an expert grinder.  :2thumbs:  :smilielol:

Looking good.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 20, 2012 - 10:41:36 AM
But if you set the machine for the same amperage, the larger wire will retain more of the heat thus
resulting in a cooler weld. At least that is my theory and it worked great for me. It looks as though you really
 need the gas set-up. It's the only way to go.
It also sounds like you need to clean up your ground clamping surface as well
yeah, I have the gas kit coming from my brother up in MA...hopefully it will be here soon....'till then, I have to make due with what I've got.  Does the grounding clamp need to be on the metal that I'm welding or can I use any metal on the car?  For instance, when welding the markers, do I have to have the ground on the fender or will the radiator frame rail work?  I've been using the frame, radiator frame rail, etc. because they are clean, right down to the bare metal.

You don't need to be an expert welder.......just an expert grinder.  :2thumbs:  :smilielol:

Looking good.
Thanks vertman....you've got that right about the grinding.... :2thumbs:

Did some more work this weekend and took some pic...will try to post soon.  I looked for the .28 wire but after some research, found out .30 is the lowest available in flux core (at least that's what I'm aware of).  So I worked with the .30 and got 2 more markers done and the directional holes on top of the fender as well.  I also got a 120 grit sanding wheel which worked a lot better and made the welds grind down a lot smoother.....I also found a 7" rotary sander in my garage (forgot I had it) so I need to get some higher grit discs to put the finishing touches on these markers.

I think I'm getting better with welding....I've noticed my "beads" are not as "large" as before and I'm getting used to when the metal is too hot or cold and when to "hit it" and when not to.  Definitely takes patience's to get a good bead!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 21, 2012 - 12:38:14 PM
Here's the pix as promised....there's not a whole lot of room in my garage so once I get the car rolled out into the street, I will take a full side shot to show you how it looks.

Antennae and fender directional holes....
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8200116.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8200117.jpg)

This is the driver's side directional...I will do the passenger side tonight:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8200118.jpg)

Here's the antennae hole....this was a pain....I didn't have any welding magnets to hold the metal up to the hole so I used my free hand and tacked it as best I could before letting go.  I got called into the house about 3/4 the way through this so I will finish this tonight as well:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8200119.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8200120.jpg)

Can anyone tell me how to get this decal off?  There's no pins through the back of the trunk like I thought there would be... :clueless:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8200124.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Chryco Psycho on August 21, 2012 - 01:21:10 PM
Adhesive tape is all that holds it on , you can try soaking it in Goo Gone or silicone spray to loosen the glue
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 72cudamaan on August 21, 2012 - 07:28:17 PM
yeah, I have the gas kit coming from my brother up in MA...hopefully it will be here soon....'till then, I have to make due with what I've got.  Does the grounding clamp need to be on the metal that I'm welding or can I use any metal on the car?  For instance, when welding the markers, do I have to have the ground on the fender or will the radiator frame rail work?  I've been using the frame, radiator frame rail, etc. because they are clean, right down to the bare metal.
Thanks vertman....you've got that right about the grinding.... :2thumbs:

The ground clamp should be as close as practical to the surface being welded.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 22, 2012 - 03:44:30 PM
Adhesive tape is all that holds it on , you can try soaking it in Goo Gone or silicone spray to loosen the glue

 :2thumbs:

The ground clamp should be as close as practical to the surface being welded.

Ok, I will keep that in mind next time!

I finished up the markers and such last night, here's the passenger side fender directional:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8210126.jpg)

and the antennae hole:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8210127.jpg)

Got some DuraGlass coming tonight as well as etching primer and a few other things so I can finish my engine bay.  I had to reweld a few spots so they'll need grinding tonight before I start the cleansing process.

Overall happy with the progress thus far and am thinking it will go up to the body shop next week to have him spray it!  ;)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 27, 2012 - 11:05:03 AM
Loads of work done this weekend....I probably spent close to 20 hours doing everything, trying to get it ready for the paint shop this week.  All markers and directional holes have been welded and ground/sanded down as well as the antennae hole.  I also took apart the front and rear bumpers and sanded those down as well....LOTS of rust on them bumpers!  I also washed, degreased, and cleansed (with phosphoric acid) them which took a long time....
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230133.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230134.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8250141.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8250139.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230136.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230135.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230137.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8250142.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8250138.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8250140.jpg)
One thing that really ticked me off was I bought 2 cans of Self Etching Primer from Advanced Auto and when I went to use it, it sprayed for all of 3 seconds then got clogged.....then the same thing happened with the other can!  I hope I can find a can with a good nozzle to use...I'd like to prime the engine bay before I send it up there.

I found some more rust on the driver's side fender, next to the hood latch, so I stripped off all the rust and was able to seal up that hole. 
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230130.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230131.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/P8230132.jpg)

Got some of the engine bay sealed up as well but I have to work in small sections cause the prep takes a bit.....I'll try to get some pix tonight or tomorrow of the DuraGlass and how it came out. I also pulled all the interior out of the car as well...floors are in great shape but I may need to replace the carpet...looks kinda beat-up!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on August 29, 2012 - 10:41:23 AM
What started off as a really bad Monday night turned into something good;  I got the http://malwaretips.com/blogs/live-security-platinum-removal-guide/' (http://'[url=http://malwaretips.com/blogs/live-security-platinum-removal-guide/')]"Live Security Platinum"[/url] virus on my pc about 10pm, so I stayed up till 3:30am removing it....needless to say, I didn't go to work yesterday....but after some rest I jumped on the 'Cuda and got some more work done!  Was able to pull the wiring harness back through the firewall and finished cleaning and sealing the engine bay (coats are ROUGH but sanding is next!), I also shaved the trunk lock, primed the bumpers and did a bunch of misc. things that kept me busy till late last night.

Here's some pix:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6908.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6921.jpg)

Engine bay before being prepped:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6909.jpg)

and after (squeaky clean!):
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6915.jpg)

Sealed:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6916.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6922.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6923.jpg)

Bumpers:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6920.jpg)

Did a little sanding but looks like a bit too much here (antennae hole):
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6911.jpg)

Directional on top of fender:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6910.jpg)

Side marker:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6930.jpg)

Trunk lock hole:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6912.jpg)

Plate for hole:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6924.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6925.jpg)

Sealed up (2nd shot is a side view):
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6928.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6929.jpg)

I felt I got better with the sealer as time went on....the trunk lock came out perfect....I was worried about getting the same curve as the tail panel but I used a really flexible putty knife and it came out good (IMO).

Getting close to being ready for the paint shop on Friday.  :jumping: Tonight will be sanding....still have to decide the best way to approach this; either by hand (may take forever), angle grinder with sanding attachment (speed may be too high), or electric rotary sander (don't know if I have enough discs).....or all 3, lol.  We shall see.

Does anyone know how I can get the hood release cable off?  I looked at where it connects on the hood latch and it appears that the cable is looped around a post and clamped to itself.  Not too sure how it comes off though  :clueless:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on September 04, 2012 - 08:23:10 AM
Well, I was able to put myself into overdrive and finish up the car Thursday evening/Friday morning and get it loaded and off to the body shop!  I spent the entire evening on Thursday hand sanding everything down as smooth as I could get it... I don't know what I was thinking, lathering on that DuraGlass so thick and choppy like I did  :screwy:, but I paid the price that night and my delts were on FIRE from all the sanding.  I did a mixture of using my electric sander to hit the high, thick areas and then used a small block sander to get the rest.  I had some air pockets that I missed and wasn't able to smooth out completely, but for the most part, it came out ok....at least it's sealed up and now I can go back and touch up the areas as needed without feeling like the car is rusting away as each night passes by.

Here's some mid-sanding pix:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6934.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6933.jpg)

And here's it done and primed...again, still not perfect but it'll do for now:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6944.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6942.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6941.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6939.jpg)

Here's the "Beast Car" (as my kids like to call it  :) ) all loaded up and ready to go:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6946.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6945.jpg)

Even had some time to finish the markers and prime them up too:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_6947.jpg)

The trip went well (about an hour away from me) and I got to see what the hood and other parts looked like in person....they look great.  I meant to take some pix but forgot, as I was too concerned with getting my u-haul rental back on time.  Rob showed me the driver's door with the rot and all.....looks like I may need a new door...there's bondo 3/4 the way up the door and it appears to be the actual door rotting, not the skin.  He's gonna make it look good for now and I'll hit the internet and be sure to attend the big car show at Daytona Speedway the weekend of November 8th (the name of the show slipped my mind) to see if I can get something relativity cheap.  He noticed my sanding work and said I can come up any time to help work on the car and he'd show me how he does it.....may take him up on that offer on my upcoming day off!   :naughty:

So while the 'Cuda is out of the garage, I decided to  paint my garage floor with that speckled coating stuff...boy, I didn't know what I was getting myself into!  I have a 3-car garage...1 single and a double.  Of course I started with the single (where the 'Cuda was) but it was also the dirtiest!  Lots of grease/oil stains...so I ended up degreasing the whole thing all day yesterday.....I found a combination of letting the degreaser sit for a while and then hitting it with a wire brush (yes, by hand) and then rinsing with a pressure washer, it seemed to work fairly well.  I just had SO much grease and such on the floor that it took a long time.  After that, I let it dry and then sealed any cracks/holed that I had....that sat over night and I will etch and seal it later this week.  Pix to follow  :)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on September 10, 2012 - 09:07:00 AM
With the 'Cuda gone for a bit, I decided to paint my garage floor....what a task this has been.  Prep is about 80% of the hard work.....I used 2 gallons of degreaser, another 2 liters of different types of degreaser, and about 1 gallon of chlorine in the past week to really hammer the floor and get the some of the tough grease out.  I cleaned the floor after each application with my pressure washer and even hit some of the tougher spots with a wire brush (OCD sometimes gets the best of me  ;) ).  I don't have any before pix, but here's a few after the floor was prepped and once it was applied.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7055.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7056.jpg)

The floor was still wet in some areas in this pic:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7057.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7058.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7059.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7082.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7083.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7084.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/DSC_7085.jpg)

From the looks of it, it appears I put it on a little too thin in some areas....I was initially worried about how much coverage I would get from it plus the fact that once you mix it, you have to use it within an hour, otherwise is sets up and becomes useless (in the 90+ FL heat anyway).  So for the most part I'm happy but I think I'll outline the "thin" areas in a marker and when I do the other side, I will buy a little extra and go over those areas once more. 
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on September 11, 2012 - 08:17:36 PM
Lookin' good!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on September 12, 2012 - 11:40:44 AM
Thanks Mike...finally got some time to work on it again and it feels good!

How are things with you?  Still got your jeep (I'm assuming you didn't get rid of the 'Cuda)?  I saw some youtube vids that you posted a while back with your jeep....looked like fun for sure!  What happened to your website?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on September 12, 2012 - 01:03:11 PM
How are things with you?  Still got your jeep (I'm assuming you didn't get rid of the 'Cuda)?  I saw some youtube vids that you posted a while back with your jeep....looked like fun for sure!  What happened to your website?

Everything is great! Still in Texas, I have the Jeep and 'Cuda still. I'll be done with my Mechanical Engineering degree in Spring of 14...so there is light at the end of the tunnel on that front. The website I took down about two years ago, just ended up making a the same tech info into threads on the forum.

Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on October 01, 2012 - 09:12:32 AM
It's been 3 weeks since he's had my car and all is going well with it.  He's been sending me pix every week, so here's a few of the progress:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_4ccc.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_6ccc.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_4aaa.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3ccc.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3ddd.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2ddd.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3aaa.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2e.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2ccc.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_5ccc.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3bbb.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2bbb.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2aaa.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_4bbb.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2c-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2d-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2e-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3a-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_3-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2a-prime.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/imagejpeg_2b-prime.jpg)


Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 04, 2013 - 11:07:27 AM
Got the car back over the xmas break...took him a little longer than anticipated but he got busy with his full-time job and could only work on my car on nights and weekends for a while.  Overall the car looks great, IMO.  A couple of small paint drips here and there (nothing too noticeable), but all-in-all, I'm a happy-camper!

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/satinBlack1_zps66e0f717.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/blackCuda1_zps12f420c4.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb1_zpsab657b64.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb_zpsdd4853b9.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb7_zpsc3b26e86.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb8_zps9953002c.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb9_zpsae381c4f.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb5_zpsd037b163.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb6_zpsb46d61ab.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb3_zpsa3a3a5b5.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb4_zps72a8d727.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/cuda_sb2_zpsb8a4a68a.jpg)

The roof has some "striping" on it, but he said that would settle after a couple of weeks.  I was actually looking at it last night and they are almost gone, which is a good sign.  I also had him smooth out the rain drains on the rear quaters, near the window...seeing as how I shaved the markers and such, I thought it would look good as well.

I've since painted the trunk to match the rest of the car and am looking to get it in the shop to have the guy make my motor plate and shorten my drive shaft.  Once that's done, then it's rear rims (STILL need to figure out this backspacing issue) and a radiator....then I get to put it all back together!!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: usraptr on February 04, 2013 - 08:57:13 PM
Looks very nice!  :2thumbs:  Keep us posted on your progress.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on April 08, 2013 - 09:10:28 AM
Had to put the motor and transmission in this past weekend b/c my friend called and said he's ready to install the motor plate in it.  I found some cheap motor mounts on ebay and used to just to hold it in place for now.  I've gotta talk to him later today to get a solid day that I can drop it off.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20130406_110736_zpsafaf1fc0.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20130406_110727_zpsadf2c81b.jpg)

Not much clearance for my headers on the driver's side at ALL!   :crying:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20130406_110756_zpsddc1c6a6.jpg)

Once I get it back I will take the motor out again and paint the block the color I want.  Aaron Beck and I seem to be on the same page as to how we want our cars to look.....his car as given me some great ideas and tons of inspiration  :cheers:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: A110235 on April 08, 2013 - 11:41:21 AM
Man your car is looking pretty sharp!  Is it all going to be black, or are you going to do some stripes?

Kyle
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on April 08, 2013 - 12:35:50 PM
Man your car is looking pretty sharp!  Is it all going to be black, or are you going to do some stripes?

Kyle

Thanks Kyle!  I'm hoping to get an AAR stripe down the side in a slightly darker black....it'll look nice!  :2thumbs:

Here's some more pix from Saturday that my friend just sent me:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/engine_install1_zpsab9effab.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/engine_install2_zps2dcec7a5.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/engine_install4_zpsf98ff4d3.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/engine_install3_zps72e1d273.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 25, 2013 - 09:54:39 AM
It's been a while but progress has been steady.  I ordered my rear rims from Stockton Wheels back in April and they just came in about a week ago.  Got them right down to the tire shop to get the sneakers put on them and mounted them on the car....15x10 with 6.5" backspacing....fits like a glove  :2thumbs:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20130612_174003_zps6a200152.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20130612_174017_zpsff103284.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20130613_200147_zps3c661103.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20130613_200203_zps48fe7c8b.jpg)
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Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: ToxicWolf on September 11, 2013 - 09:05:38 PM
Your car looks great. Hope I see you around here someday.   :wave:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on October 15, 2013 - 10:57:26 AM
Your car looks great. Hope I see you around here someday.   :wave:

Thanks ToxicWolf.....getting the final pieces of this puzzle soon and then it'll be ready for assembly!

Just got the motor plate done this weekend.  I guy had surgery over the summer so he was out for a couple of months, but glad I was able to be first on his list when he went back to work:

On it's way home:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20131014_135237_zps68127626.jpg)

Motor Plate:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20131014_190132_zps88c6f72c.jpg)

Brackets:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20131014_190149_zpsb0068c16.jpg)
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20131014_190140_zpsaeaa756b.jpg)

Now I have to take the engine out and the plate off and send it to get powder coated and painted.  Still up in the air on whether to paint it black or a dark grey.....my motor will be black with aluminum valve covers and chrome accessories so I was thinking more grey.....but we'll see.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: brads70 on October 15, 2013 - 07:14:46 PM
I'd mount the alternator, water pump, power steering before you powercoat the motor plate . I don't think your done yet? :grinno: :2cents:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on December 03, 2013 - 10:25:47 AM
I'd mount the alternator, water pump, power steering before you powercoat the motor plate . I don't think your done yet? :grinno: :2cents:

Good catch Brad...I didn't think of the alternator, mainly because the guy I sent it to had a plastic 440 block that he uses to mock up things like this....I called him up and before I could say something to him, he knew what I was calling for, lol.  Going to take it off and send it back to have a small, half-moon arc cut out where the bottom of the alternator goes.   ;)

Was also able to finally get the front 15" tires on this weekend, so that means my 14" rims will be for sale if anyone is interested.  I'll post pics and such in the for sale/trade section once I get a chance.  They are in decent shape, not showroom condition but suitable for a driver, that's for sure.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on May 19, 2014 - 08:58:14 AM
8 weeks post-op from shoulder surgery....I had a type 2 Slap Tear (Labrum torn off the bone about 60%) and a small rotator cuff tear as well, so I've been a bit sidelined as far as work on the 'Cuda goes.  BUT, I was smart enough to pull the motor 3 days before surgery so I could send out the motor plate to get cut for the alternator (thanks brads70  :2thumbs:) and when I felt good enough, paint the block.  Yesterday was a perfect day here in Fl so I felt good enough to drag it out and get it washed and painted:

All washed and ready to paint:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20140518_154946_zps1b60cf31.jpg)

Wasn't sure at this point if I had enough paint to do the transmission so I taped it off for now:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20140518_154952_zpsfc3e6127.jpg)

I think it came out pretty good:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20140518_180315_zps34243313.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20140518_174153_zpsb6cf0bee.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20140518_180326_zpsd7eb60a5.jpg)

I really tried to focus on the main parts of the block that were going to be visible 99% of the time.  As you can see, I decided to coat the transmission while I had the extra paint.

I'm off for 4 days this coming weekend so it's definitely going in the car this weekend.  I'll try to get some pictures of the motor plate once it comes back from being powder coated  :naughty:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 11, 2014 - 09:20:12 AM
Got the motor plate and intake powder coated this past week.....I was a bit unsure of what shade of black to go with because I didn't want something shiny but I also didn't want it to match the block and blend in and not be noticeable.....so I went with a crackle-black which I'm still on the fence about liking, but, it's done with for now and if it bugs me that much I'll get it redone, lol.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/intake_zps5e147627.jpg)

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Gonna try to put the intake and polished aluminum valve covers on this weekend to see how it looks  :naughty:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: dfrazz on June 11, 2014 - 09:45:17 AM
Looking good!  I went with a black block on my new engine too and love it!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: brads70 on June 11, 2014 - 09:40:58 PM
Looks good! I like the black wrinkled look. Looks very "Moparish"  :2thumbs:
Are you using power steering? If so where are you mounting a pump?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Sleepychallenger on June 12, 2014 - 03:56:15 AM
Looks like the factory air cleaner  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 16, 2014 - 01:02:13 PM
Looks good! I like the black wrinkled look. Looks very "Moparish"  :2thumbs:
Are you using power steering? If so where are you mounting a pump?

Power Steering....haven't thought about it yet....either way though, I'll have to drill the holes (which I forgot to do b4 sending it to be powder coated) and I'm hoping the coating doesn't peel/chip too bad.  If so, I can send it back to get touched up a bit ;)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: rhamson on June 16, 2014 - 01:40:28 PM
I am in the planning stages of my 440 also. After a sobering look at the crate hemi (money and I already have a 440) I have decided to stroke this motor as well. I was looking at the 525 kit. The low end is unreal from what I understand. My priority is to be quick out of the hole and just shut it down on a street rod basis.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on June 23, 2015 - 10:38:00 AM
Making more progress.....brake lines have been ordered along with rear shocks and a few other goodies.  I've sealed the entire floor and trunk with Peel & Seal (it's made for roof patching but works well for insulation) and hope that helps with any heat issues from the exhaust.

Got a question for you guys.....my next purchase will include a distributor.  I'd like to hear your thoughts on which one to get....I have an MSD 6AL ignition and a 499 stroker with a mild cam.  I saw these two but not too sure if I need the vacuum advance or not  :dunno:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8546/overview/make/plymouth (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8546/overview/make/plymouth)

and

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8387/overview/make/plymouth (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8387/overview/make/plymouth)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: ToxicWolf on July 10, 2015 - 08:35:48 PM
Looking good.  :bigsmile:

Hello from Kissimmee  :wave:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on July 29, 2015 - 07:47:26 AM
Looking good.  :bigsmile:

Hello from Kissimmee  :wave:


Thanks ToxicWolf!  I get most of my fab work done by a guy in St. Cloud so I'm familiar with that area.  Hopefully we'll catch up at Old Town one day or something  :cheers:

Just another quick update....I know I promised pics of the floor insulation and I'll get them soon.....I also got a 26" Aluminum radiator, an MSD distributor, MSD coil, and all new brake lines as well. My neighbor is giving me a floor shifter too, which will help with saving $$$.  After years of sitting and doing nothing (mostly $$$ constraints), things are starting to progress nicely.  I still need Fuel Lines and a Power Steering Pump....so those are next on my list.

Got a question for everyone....I'm looking to keep the "dark" theme throughout my car and this bright red coil isn't helping any, LOL....can I paint the coil without damaging it or will any heat cause peeling and cracking once it's painted?  Here's the coil I have:
Product link:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8207 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8207)

(http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/MSD-8207_SN.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on December 06, 2015 - 06:03:26 PM
Changing out my intake with this one I got from my neighbor.  I took it down to the local shop and had it powder coated so it's ready to go.  Valley pan is off and the heads/block have been cleaned.  Got 2 questions I'm hoping someone can answer:

1. This motor was built from the ground up about 6 years ago...the ONLY time it ran was when he balanced it.  It's been sitting in my garage either on an engine stand or in the car the entire time.  As you can see by the pix.....it look sa little dry in there (to be expected).  Should I lube/oil the cam and lifters while I have the pan off?  If so, will just regular oil work or is there something specific I can use to help keep it lubed until I can get it running (est. 6+ months still).

2.  What is the plate on the middle port for?  Looks like it's a block-off plate of some type but I've never seen anything like it before.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20151206_172826_zpsmlw5mxx2.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20151206_172826_zpsmlw5mxx2.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20151206_172836_zpszz1tirht.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20151206_172836_zpszz1tirht.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20151206_172845_zps1kslvcg6.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20151206_172845_zps1kslvcg6.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20151206_172854_zps81hla1tv.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20151206_172854_zps81hla1tv.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20151206_172943_zpsi3p74uvh.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20151206_172943_zpsi3p74uvh.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20151206_172959_zpstij3bdxd.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20151206_172959_zpstij3bdxd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: laramie on December 06, 2015 - 06:54:51 PM
Looks like part of the head gasket.  What kind of gaskets did the builder use?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on December 06, 2015 - 07:38:18 PM
Looks like part of the head gasket.  What kind of gaskets did the builder use?

Not too sure....I'd have to go back through the paperwork to figure that out.  I gave him carte-blanche on most of the build....I just dropped money off when he needed it  :money:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: laramie on December 06, 2015 - 07:47:43 PM
For initial start, I would ensure that you have fresh oil with plenty of ZDDP additive in the oil for cam breakin.  I would also use a drill oiler and spin up the oil pump prior to start.  After that, I woudn't add anything crazy while you are in there.

I am not sure what you mean "ran to balance" the motor, as bottom end balance is something done on the bench, not in the engine.  If the engine hasn't been run long enough to break in, or break in the cam, or if you aren't sure, you should follow the cam breakin procedures per the manufacturer. 
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on December 14, 2015 - 10:20:30 AM
Just wanting to clarify....I got all my parts in and want to be sure I'm doing this right.  Gaskets get RTV'ed onto heads, then tray gets RTV'ed to gasket/block (on the ends), then RTV the top part of the tray and put the manifold gaskets on, then RTV the intake to that and bolt down.  Correct?

Here's the reason I ask; when I took the tray off last week, there was no gasket between that and the head....so it made me wonder if I needed to put them on again?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 13, 2016 - 08:00:02 AM
So I tried to do what 90% of what everyone said and things didn't quite work out.  I rtv'd the gasket to the valley pan, and while that was drying I rtv'd the gaskets to the head.  I then put a thin layer of rtv on the gaskets on the heads and put the valley pan on.  I then applied a thin layer of rtv on the intake and tried to bolt it down.......no such luck.  :crying:  I tried several different things from starting different bolts in different holes to reseating the intake.  Nothing seemed to work.  In all cases, at least 2 of the holes were off with the head by 1/4".  So I called the guy who built the motor (we still talk) and he said that's a common problem and to get rid of the gaskets and just use a thin layer of rtv.  He said they didn't even come with gaskets from the manufacturer so there was no need for them.  I trust this guy as he's built over 500+ 440's in his life and that's all he works on.

So I took off the pan, cleaned the heads up nice and shiny, now I'm just waiting for the new pan to arrive.  Here's some pics from that day along with some of the floor sealer I used a while back.  I also got a used driveshaft loop from a member here....I plan to clean it up and paint it before installing.  :naughty:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/valleypan2_zpsnjcv18bm.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/valleypan2_zpsnjcv18bm.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/vallypan_zpsodyq9ykr.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/vallypan_zpsodyq9ykr.jpg.html)

Trunk floor:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/trunk_zpsipp18vyo.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/trunk_zpsipp18vyo.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/trunk2_zpslc0suyb1.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/trunk2_zpslc0suyb1.jpg.html)

Interior floor:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/trunk3_zpsacpz8mzr.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/trunk3_zpsacpz8mzr.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/floor_zpstwqwxcqh.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/floor_zpstwqwxcqh.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/driveshaft%20loop_zpsovkxrkmh.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/driveshaft%20loop_zpsovkxrkmh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: larry4406 on January 14, 2016 - 06:23:56 AM
My 440 engine I could not use the gaskets with the valley pan either.  RTV around the valley pan.  Note the "ribs" in the valley pan around the ports.  The ribs crush upon torquing and create a seal.  i was told these pans were "one use only".  Perhaps after being crushed from an initial installation, one could then use the gaskets to salvage the pan (I never tried that).
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: TelisSE440 on January 17, 2016 - 01:32:27 PM
I have used the same valley pan with the new gaskets and rtv seal, no problems until now. Keep us posted how it went.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: usraptr on January 17, 2016 - 08:18:25 PM
RDF, what cam did you decide to use in the motor?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on January 18, 2016 - 12:24:20 PM
Was able to work on it this weekend and it went successful!  :bananasmi  I didn't use any gaskets, just black rtv and it lined up nicely and appears to have sealed as well.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20160117_175539_zps0qv90tmr.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20160117_175539_zps0qv90tmr.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20160117_175246_zps0ck4ku9u.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/IMG_20160117_175246_zps0ck4ku9u.jpg.html)

I also got in all new fuel and brake lines too:

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160117_173456_zpsomyxuhfs.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160117_173456_zpsomyxuhfs.jpg.html)

Need some advice on a proportioning valve.....I don't want anything fancy but something that will just go with my current setup.....front disc and rear drums.

I'll have to dig through my paperwork to see.  I had the motor built 7 years ago and having 3 kids since, I've forgotten most of what's in there  :banghead:
RDF, what cam did you decide to use in the motor?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 23, 2016 - 05:48:58 AM
Been busy on the 'Cuda the past few weekends....I put my headers on to see how they would fit and turned out the driver's side was hitting slightly on the 2 inner pipes (on the steering box).  So I took it to a good friend of mine who's done all the fabrication on my car (frame rail supports, motor plate, etc.) and he was able to bang them in with a dolly and hammer.  Took them home and tried them again....they fit but it was still pretty close, so instead of taking it back down to him (30m away) I just used a ball peen hammer and modified it myself.

Had to push it in my bigger garage....I forgot how heavy this thing was with the motor in it  :faint:
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_091052_zpsf7haqmgw.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_091052_zpsf7haqmgw.jpg.html)

Just this past month I've heard of 2 stories where guys didn't have jack stands under their cars while working on them and the car fell on them.....unreal....I've put 3 on this side plus a floor jack on the motor for my own safety.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_091110_HDR_zpsmuxlg6kv.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_091110_HDR_zpsmuxlg6kv.jpg.html)

Driver's side looks ok with the motor jacked up.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_092021_zpshxy6cv8n.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_092021_zpshxy6cv8n.jpg.html)

But as you can see, the 2nd pipe is definitely touching and the first was too (a bit further down) but I couldn't get my camera on it.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_094917_zpskhwlmpns.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_094917_zpskhwlmpns.jpg.html)

Passenger side?  No problems!
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_095231_zpsyvqx70xe.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_095231_zpsyvqx70xe.jpg.html)

Here's a rough outline of where the pipes are hitting.  I just wanted to give my friend a larger reference point rather than relying on the minor scratches where it was hitting.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_101607_zpsmus1zuu3.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160219_101607_zpsmus1zuu3.jpg.html)

This was the clearance I had after my friend did the work.  I wasn't comfortable with the left pipe still being close so I hammered it in some more.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160220_163432_zpsiqie6ban.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160220_163432_zpsiqie6ban.jpg.html)

Once I did that, it had more clearance and I felt better about it.  As you can see, the outline of where the indention needed to be made came in handy.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160220_164828_zpsmmddrmcz.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160220_164828_zpsmmddrmcz.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20160220_164841_zps2sjvyyxp.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/Cuda%20Pics/20160220_164841_zps2sjvyyxp.jpg.html)

So after all that, I took them down to a local place called Performance Kote and are having them coated with black ceramic.  It'll take about a week or so to get them back but I'll be excited to see how they look!

Still looking for some help on a proportioning valve.....I don't want an adjustable one (for the reason I simply don't know how to adjust them or what it's actually adjusting) so looking for anything stock or something that will replace stock.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: 73440 on February 23, 2016 - 08:00:42 AM
http://www.inlinetube.com/# (http://www.inlinetube.com/#)!valves/c1qeh

http://www.rosevillemoparts.com/index.php/brakes-/master-cylinder-push-rod-proportioning-valves/cPath/219_220 (http://www.rosevillemoparts.com/index.php/brakes-/master-cylinder-push-rod-proportioning-valves/cPath/219_220)

stock style
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: usraptr on February 25, 2016 - 09:50:04 PM
Just curious what brand headers are they?
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: Kenny714 on February 26, 2016 - 12:39:11 PM
Hedman
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 29, 2016 - 01:12:12 PM
Hedman

 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: dodj on February 29, 2016 - 05:47:07 PM
Hope it works out for you,  but rtv around intake runners will dissolve.  Gas eats rtv. Should only use it at each corner and the valley pan ends :2cents:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on March 17, 2016 - 05:42:31 AM
Took a nice 10 day vacation to Gatlinburg, TN last week with the fam!   :rebel:  What a great time!  We did everything from horseback riding to the alpine coasters to white water rafting.....felt good to get away for so long!

Anyways, my headers were done while I was on vacation but I finally got around to getting them yesterday....I must say, I think they turned out awesome!

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20160316_193055_zpsqtqbge1m.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20160316_193055_zpsqtqbge1m.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/73e9e410-aefd-4ce8-b40b-97e014527545_zps5qnmwtod.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/73e9e410-aefd-4ce8-b40b-97e014527545_zps5qnmwtod.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20160316_193055_zpsqtqbge1m.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20160316_193055_zpsqtqbge1m.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20160316_193041_zpsjeyaxpvt.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20160316_193041_zpsjeyaxpvt.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20160316_192939_zpsr5ayf5rq.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20160316_192939_zpsr5ayf5rq.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20160316_192928_zpskqsuroix.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20160316_192928_zpskqsuroix.jpg.html)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/20160316_192902_zpsfvngemkx.jpg) (http://s979.photobucket.com/user/robertfah/media/20160316_192902_zpsfvngemkx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: usraptr on March 21, 2016 - 09:45:19 PM
Those came out very nice!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 02, 2017 - 05:56:57 AM
Those came out very nice!  :2thumbs:

Thank you kind sir!   :cheers:

I got this radiator from a fellow member a couple of years ago and I finally got around to getting it custom fit for my car.  I'm thankful I know someone who has the talent to do things like this and think outside the box to come up with new ways of doing things.  He ended up making his own brackets for the sides and in the front, he cut away the old metal that was getting in the way and used a smaller but stronger support for it.  Overall, I think it turned out excellent!

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20161005_102439_zpsnruuymna.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20161005_102447_zpsvwfxvps4.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20161005_102453_zpsebbxhrhh.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20161005_102513_zpsh4fhw3pi.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20161005_102503_zpsgeztfgt6.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 02, 2017 - 06:05:23 AM
Got some time to work on the beast again and put the carb on.  I wish it were more of a gun metal grey color but that can come later cause I could really use the funds towards the things I truly need.  One thing I noticed is the posts on the carb will stick out with my rally hood.  :bricks1:  I didn't want this added expense but I will probably go with a fiberglass hood with the scoop I like.  I've found a few here and there and with the help of redo1973's thread, I was able to find a shop just 40m from me.  That may be my best option, especially since I can save on shipping and just pick it up.

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20170201_191431_zpshbojrfel.jpg)

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20170201_191441_zpsnvqpyphf.jpg)

I tried to get my camera at the same angle as the hood would line up.  As you can see from the highlighted red area, the posts stick out quite a bit.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/20170201_191504_zpsjtwpbxmt.jpg)

Here's the hood I was thinking of going with.
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/AARCuda70742_zpsmad96add.jpg)

I've got my old intake for sale if anyone is interested.  It's brand new and never been ran yet.  I'll post pix and more info in the For Sale section.   ;)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 09, 2017 - 08:24:54 AM
So I decided to go with the adjustable valve instead of stock.  Also picked up a fuel pressure gauge too.  Hoping to narrow down a power steering pump selection soon.  Outside of stock, any suggestions?

(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/robertfah/Cuda%20Pics/proportioning_valve_zpswbvwbeur.jpg)
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: redo1973 on February 10, 2017 - 07:26:52 AM
Nice to see the progress.  Can't wait to hear that thing fire off!
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: brads70 on February 11, 2017 - 09:49:32 AM
Hope it works out for you,  but rtv around intake runners will dissolve.  Gas eats rtv. Should only use it at each corner and the valley pan ends :2cents:

 :iagree:  I'd change it asap.
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: RDF on February 28, 2017 - 07:11:10 AM
Kids are off for spring break next week which means I'm off the entire week.  Hoping to put some good time in on working on the 'Cuda but wanted everyone's opinion on how to approach this.  I don't have a lift or many power tools but I will move the car into my bigger garage and get it up on 6-ton jack stands to help with rolling in and out of the bottom.  I will be virtually alone in this adventure as all my friends will be working and won't have time to help.

Here's a short list of what needs to be done (in no particular order):

All the installation parts are new except the Brake Booster w/ master cylinder.  There's some other things that need to be done but I know they can wait until after all this has been taken care of. 

Couple of questions:

And if you're in the Orlando, FL area and looking to turn wrenches, drop me a PM!   :cheers:
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: rUNCHARGER on February 28, 2017 - 10:31:54 AM
Fuel lines
Brake lines
Prop valve
Trans lines
Gas tank and straps
Rear shocks
starter/headers
Brake booster
Title: Re: 440 Build Starts Today!
Post by: usraptr on March 01, 2017 - 02:48:25 PM
Speaking from experience it would be much easier to install headers if you drop the engine out the bottom of the car on the K frame.  I realize you don't have  a lift, but ff you have a cherry picker you can use it to lift the front of the car over the top of the engine.  If you don't, it might be worth renting one for the day.  Installing headers while the engine is the car n is a difficult task at best, especially for the second bolts from the front of the engine on both sides.  That being said, don't install the brake power booster and master cylinder until AFTER you have the headers installed.  They take up a lot of room and are very difficult to work around if you decide to install the headers while the engine is in the car.  FYI, I didn't use RTV on any of my header bolts (I didn't use studs) and I have no leaks.  Good luck with whatever you decide.  :2thumbs: